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19301  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 21, 2018, 02:18:43 AM

YOU BETTA  cancel your retirement plans..... because DOOOOOOOOOOOOM is coming - can't you see it?
don't make me panic bro..I bought 0.3 BTC yesterday..and wanna see it grow in value...I guess the correction is now ok Tongue


Of course, some of us are fucking around in here, but the reality of the matter is you need to prepare for either price direction... both mentally and financially.
19302  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 21, 2018, 02:02:43 AM
[edited out]

I don't like to be very specific to avoid profiling (as if anyone would be interested in profiling me... call me paranoid). I will try though:

1) $100K would be ok. ...

I hope that has covered all the questions without giving more information about me than I would be confident. Oh and I already have a nice home, fine car and am completely DEBT FREE (Not thanks to Bitcoin as I have never cashed out a single penny yet). And no children nor family to support. That makes my current needs very modest and easy to fullfill, even if for the rest of my lifetime (not there YET... unless I were to die in a decade or two).

I think that you have adequately answered all of the questions. so thanks for that.  I don't really believe that we need to disclose any of our specific BTC holdings in order to discuss at what levels of prices would allow us to make substantial life changes due to BTC price rises (or anticipated rises).  

Sometimes you will find me and others baiting posters into disclosing aspects of their BTC holdings and surely any of us will understand if you keep some of your specifics private.

I believe that with a large number of traditional investments, they theorize that you should be able to withdraw around 4% per year from your investment in order to maintain the principle in the long run...   It is possible that bitcoin could perform so well that it allows for higher withdrawal rate levels that would still preserve the principle - including the possibility of 10% per year withdrawals... but conservatively 4% is usually safe with a traditionally diversified portfolio of investments....

so one thing is withdrawing and maintaining the principle, and another thing is if you decide to draw down on your principle as well of course none of us will live for ever and one of the most certain things in our life is that we are going to die.. not meaning to end on a negative note.


NOT.

Dumbass

Which part?  Are you signing and referring to yourself, or did you have some kind of an emotional outburst that you could not contain?.

Might you NOT understand that a large portion of any battle when interacting through quasi-anonymous forums is not to lose your cool?  

The principle seems to apply in real life interactions, too... that is assuming that you are a person rather than a bot.

I'm mostly a bot.....

The highlighted part is almost exactly what I said before, so since I am a dumbass you must also be one. You don't have to lose your cool, It's ok to be a dumbass. Just accept it, embrace it.


When people get emotional, such as you are, they say all kinds of stupid and inconsistent things based on incomplete thoughts, as you are.  

If you are going to say something, then why don't you flesh out your ID-ers a little bit, and 'splain a bit about what the fuck you be talkin bout....

Otherwise you impress ur selfie as a babbling troll-like creature that won't be lasting too long in these here parties.

Accordingly, I hardly remember our conversation and you be dwelling and harping and harping on something and going on and on about something that ain't nuttin in ancient history (by the way, a day or two ago is ancient history in bitcoinlandia, including the Wall O'threadia )... GET a fucking grip, grn!!!!!!!  Tongue
19303  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 21, 2018, 01:54:33 AM
I'm proud for you, and I don't even know you in person.

I appreciate this more than you know. Sincerely, thank you. It's a very weird period I'm going through right now.

Also, WTF IS WITH THIS GODDAMN PRICE DROPPING OVER THE LAST 30 MINUTES. FUCKKKKK!!!!!



YOU BETTA  cancel your retirement plans..... because DOOOOOOOOOOOOM is coming - can't you see it?
19304  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 21, 2018, 01:42:57 AM
@micgoossens ... go go I still have a small chance Cheesy

A pretty low chance... like almost a miracle(or a snowball's chance in hell) would be needed.

I see that there are a lot of guesser date gaps starting in March, and it seems pretty likely that some folks will come into the thread to attempt to take those dates.... hahahahahaha... How ridiculous can you get?

Seems like mid-march would be the soonest, but several months would seem more realistic, like June or July...... if BTC is pretty bullish, and September or October for a slower boil, but still very bullish scenario... but in any case, the number of guessers does really start to thin out as time passes..

I cannot really blame anyone for being BAD (that means not good) in their prediction skills because I recall that in late 2017, I was considering the end of the year to put us around $23,000 ... hahahhahahaha... so in the end of 2017, it seemed more than reasonable to consider January and February dates for the $24,777 price in the game.
19305  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 21, 2018, 12:24:28 AM
Holy fuck the mem pool will be completely empty in 5 hours at this rate. 
We need to stop this immediately. Bitcorn is supposed to have high fees. Won't anybody think of Roger? Sad

& Slow, too.  Remember?
19306  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 20, 2018, 06:31:34 AM
[edited out]

I don't like to be very specific to avoid profiling (as if anyone would be interested in profiling me... call me paranoid). I will try though:

1) $100K would be ok. ...

I hope that has covered all the questions without giving more information about me than I would be confident. Oh and I already have a nice home, fine car and am completely DEBT FREE (Not thanks to Bitcoin as I have never cashed out a single penny yet). And no children nor family to support. That makes my current needs very modest and easy to fullfill, even if for the rest of my lifetime (not there YET... unless I were to die in a decade or two).

I think that you have adequately answered all of the questions. so thanks for that.  I don't really believe that we need to disclose any of our specific BTC holdings in order to discuss at what levels of prices would allow us to make substantial life changes due to BTC price rises (or anticipated rises). 

Sometimes you will find me and others baiting posters into disclosing aspects of their BTC holdings and surely any of us will understand if you keep some of your specifics private.

I believe that with a large number of traditional investments, they theorize that you should be able to withdraw around 4% per year from your investment in order to maintain the principle in the long run...   It is possible that bitcoin could perform so well that it allows for higher withdrawal rate levels that would still preserve the principle - including the possibility of 10% per year withdrawals... but conservatively 4% is usually safe with a traditionally diversified portfolio of investments....

so one thing is withdrawing and maintaining the principle, and another thing is if you decide to draw down on your principle as well of course none of us will live for ever and one of the most certain things in our life is that we are going to die.. not meaning to end on a negative note.


NOT.

Dumbass

Which part?  Are you signing and referring to yourself, or did you have some kind of an emotional outburst that you could not contain?.

Might you NOT understand that a large portion of any battle when interacting through quasi-anonymous forums is not to lose your cool? 

The principle seems to apply in real life interactions, too... that is assuming that you are a person rather than a bot.
19307  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 20, 2018, 06:11:18 AM
wishing I had 1btc for every word JayJuanGee typed

one satoshi might be sufficient to make you a fiat millionaire in a relatively short period of time.
19308  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 20, 2018, 05:49:05 AM
Is JayJuanGee really pretending he's some type of financial or economics genius now because he was accidentally on the right side of a pump and dump? LOL.

Well, Roachie Poachie.. let me 'splain sum ting 2 u.

Wat's ever u dooo, u do NOTS wanna get's ur selfie, roachie poachied.

Udder dan dat, no muchie 'splainin can b dun nor neeeded. 

 Wink
19309  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 20, 2018, 05:43:10 AM
I don't know if moderators can edit (rather than delete) posts, but it would be nice to go through all of jbreher's contributions - some of which raise valid points and contain factually correct, useful information - and

s/Bitcoin Segwit/Bitcoin/g
s/Bitcoin Cash/BCash/g

with a FTFY note in the end, for correctness and clarity.

No sorry the mods can't do that. I remember serious legal threats on another forum when a mod actually altered someone else's post.

This raises a question I've pondered a bit. A few days ago someone requested that the OP of this thread be updated with links to more modern charting tools, etc.

That's not a bad suggestion. However, I'm more of the frame of mind that the OP is basically still Adam's, and should remain untouched for historical purposes anyway.


I agree that you should leave the whole of Adam's OP untouched.  However, I also think that it would be good if you could put your own expectations in the OP - probably before the Text of the OP of Adam...

Probably, give your short rendition of the history and when you took it over.

 You could even say something like I agree with everything that Adam said - except and then list all of the exceptions or the new guidelines that you would like to notify and maybe there would not be too many exceptions - because you do seem to have carried out the largely hands off (except for obvious trollers) tradition pretty well.  At the same time, I would hope that you would NOT get too rough on us... ... We would not want you to transform yourself into anything close to resembling a Meuh6879 - hahahahahaha..


Edit: Bitserve beat me to it, and used way fewer words, too... go figure.
19310  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 20, 2018, 05:32:33 AM


The writing style does not seem like Tera..... I suppose that the account may have been sold?    She can report that, and maybe admins will freeze usage account?  but if they have no way of verifying who is the real Tera, then they might let it keep operating with the new owner... then we might get a publicly displayed battle between Tera and Tera2, perhaps?
Perhaps some DT members would flag the Tera account if admins won't recover it.


I am not sure what is exactly going on with Tera because sometimes what happens is that the member is not sufficiently persistent in the attempt to get the account back - or let the stolen account stay in the hands of the other for too long, and thereafter it becomes more ambiguous regarding who is the original owner. 

DT members do flag accounts as stolen, that is for sure... can also hit the report button in order to attempt to get attention to moderators... but if you are not the real owner, then it becomes harder for you to prove that the account seems different.

Some kind of similar thing happened with AdamstgBit.  He was not persistent in trying to get the account back, but part of his reason was that he also became disgruntled towards forum admins, too.
19311  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 20, 2018, 05:12:49 AM
[edited out]

I don't like to be very specific to avoid profiling (as if anyone would be interested in profiling me... call me paranoid). I will try though:

1) $100K would be ok. ...

I hope that has covered all the questions without giving more information about me than I would be confident. Oh and I already have a nice home, fine car and am completely DEBT FREE (Not thanks to Bitcoin as I have never cashed out a single penny yet). And no children nor family to support. That makes my current needs very modest and easy to fullfill, even if for the rest of my lifetime (not there YET... unless I were to die in a decade or two).

I think that you have adequately answered all of the questions. so thanks for that.  I don't really believe that we need to disclose any of our specific BTC holdings in order to discuss at what levels of prices would allow us to make substantial life changes due to BTC price rises (or anticipated rises). 

Sometimes you will find me and others baiting posters into disclosing aspects of their BTC holdings and surely any of us will understand if you keep some of your specifics private.

I believe that with a large number of traditional investments, they theorize that you should be able to withdraw around 4% per year from your investment in order to maintain the principle in the long run...   It is possible that bitcoin could perform so well that it allows for higher withdrawal rate levels that would still preserve the principle - including the possibility of 10% per year withdrawals... but conservatively 4% is usually safe with a traditionally diversified portfolio of investments....

so one thing is withdrawing and maintaining the principle, and another thing is if you decide to draw down on your principle as well of course none of us will live for ever and one of the most certain things in our life is that we are going to die.. not meaning to end on a negative note.


NOT.
19312  Other / Meta / Re: Lauda removed from DT network via 3 exclusions on: February 20, 2018, 04:45:05 AM
I gotta admit, Quickseller's fact-bending off-topic spam is getting as close to a work of art as forum trolling could possibly be. He brings an irrelevant rant into this thread making it sound as if it's about Lauda, and brings Lauda into unrelated threads trying to reinforce his narrative in a passive voice:

I can honestly say I was starting to miss the lack of quickseller on this forum. I've not spotted his threads in a while. They're normally so extreme it becomes gripping and it currently always seems to be Lauda(?) currently.

@QS, if he's off DT any other accomplishment you make is wasteful as he can't really go further off DT without going negative and that's not really going to do very much difference...

Lauda is BACK on DT courtesy of SaltySpitoon, which kinda makes this thread fake news but QS won't let facts get in his way.

Yes, this thread should be locked or have the subject changed.   The system is setup so that DT1 users can override each other with the benefit of the doubt going to the end user.  I actually agree with that policy, and if 3 DT1 users believe Lauda should be able to leave trusted feedback, then this is yet another example of the trust system working.  
blazed, hilariousandco, and now saltyspitton should still be removed from being "DT1" if they refuse to remove lauda from their trust lists...

Oh my....  You have some kind of inability to let anything go, QS?  And  you seem to want to take the discussion to one additional level of extreme absurdity, even further than the absurdity already achieved?
This is exactly what I was asking for in the OP....

Perhaps you failed to read the OP before posting.

In other words, you want to either make this a question about 1) whether I read the OP adequately?

or alternatively,

2) you want to keep the thread alive by changing it's title?  

I recall reading several recent posts in this 23 page thread referring to how the subject of the thread is either no longer an issue or that the thread should be closed.  So, isn't that fair that you should figure out what you are going to do in the event that you choose not to close this thread?

Edit:  I did reread your initial propositions  that either blazed and hilariousandco should be removed from DT 1 or that they should remove lauda from their Trust lists, and you are subsequently suggesting that saltyspitoon is removed from DT1.  Those seem to be quite out there propositions for a trust system that seems to allow for decentralized discretionary judgements regarding who is on each of their DT lists.  Accordingly, it seems logical and appropriate that any member can choose who to put on their own DT list, even if others do not agree with that judgement and their determinations or reason(s) for their trust list choices(s).
19313  Other / Meta / Re: Lauda removed from DT network via 3 exclusions on: February 20, 2018, 04:33:53 AM
I gotta admit, Quickseller's fact-bending off-topic spam is getting as close to a work of art as forum trolling could possibly be. He brings an irrelevant rant into this thread making it sound as if it's about Lauda, and brings Lauda into unrelated threads trying to reinforce his narrative in a passive voice:

I can honestly say I was starting to miss the lack of quickseller on this forum. I've not spotted his threads in a while. They're normally so extreme it becomes gripping and it currently always seems to be Lauda(?) currently.

@QS, if he's off DT any other accomplishment you make is wasteful as he can't really go further off DT without going negative and that's not really going to do very much difference...

Lauda is BACK on DT courtesy of SaltySpitoon, which kinda makes this thread fake news but QS won't let facts get in his way.

Yes, this thread should be locked or have the subject changed.   The system is setup so that DT1 users can override each other with the benefit of the doubt going to the end user.  I actually agree with that policy, and if 3 DT1 users believe Lauda should be able to leave trusted feedback, then this is yet another example of the trust system working. 
blazed, hilariousandco, and now saltyspitton should still be removed from being "DT1" if they refuse to remove lauda from their trust lists...

Oh my....  You have some kind of inability to let anything go, QS?  And  you seem to want to take the discussion to one additional level of extreme absurdity, even further than the absurdity already achieved?
19314  Other / Meta / Re: Forum ranks/positions/badges (What do those shiny coins under my name mean?) on: February 20, 2018, 04:26:42 AM
Well, I see a have a long long way to become a member.
I have just to keep posting, writing anything..... i hope someone find that useful and give me some merit...

if not, well, i will just keep writing.... i hope one day i will be able to join a signature campaign...

Yeah..   Sounds like you are on the right track.

Just keep making a bunch of shitty posts like the last one, and then sooner or later you will randomly obtain 10 merits from other members who feel inspired to send you merit based on such random nonsense.  Shocked  

Thereafter, you will be able to just sit back and chill in a signature campaign.  Like this: Cool


On a more serious note:  I do see that you are capable of better quality posts, and you did already receive 1 merit for one of your decent posts - accordingly, only 9 more merits to go...  If you consider ways to improve your post quality, rather than just throwing out a bunch of quantity, then perhaps your "long long way" will be reached with relative ease... I would think that the number of merits required for member status is likely going to seem like a cakewalk compared with the number of merits that you will need to receive in order to reach forum ranks higher than member.

True.

I am in crypto for some time already, but I am mostly on Reddit. It's so easy to earn karma there! Merit is way harder, community here dont like to "upvote". I am still looking for the communities here where i can be useful...
I stil find hard to  navigate here


Actually bitmover, if you have been in crypto for a while, then surely you should be able to find some threads here that interest you.  And, if you do, then just take on one thread at a time.   At minimum if you find a thread that interests you then you should, at minimum, read the OP and perhaps one or two pages after the OP, and then read the last few pages.  Of course if the thread is a major interest to you, then you should already be motivated to read more of the thread, and perhaps every single post in the thread.

Sure, there are going to be some similarities here to Reddit, but of course differences, too because this is not Reddit (as you already know).... Anyhow, I doubt that you need to rush your attempt to have an experience in this forum, so if you really want to become more involved then you can just spend time and little by little add threads to your watch list.    Everyone is going to differ somewhat regarding what interests him/her and therefore, you gotta find what works for you, attempt to interact and contribute, and likely merits will come to you from engaging in that process with the passage of time, and there also might be ways (or threads) in which you believe that it is is easier to earn merit as opposed to other threads.  We are still getting used to merit too, here, because the new system has only been in place for a bit less than a month.
19315  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 20, 2018, 03:41:17 AM
You know something is up when I agree with Ibian. 

Yeah.. he's been kind of on a roll, and I had to sink so far as to send him a merit....

We are going to be in more of an alice in wonderland situation if Roach starts making any sense.
Don't worry, he won't. At least not for a while. He is stuck in the rage phase.

Some people never move on from there. But it is not uncommon for it to take a few years. Time will tell.

Possibly, he enjoys the fact that he is so famous for being roached that he does not want to change his roached status and therefore his potential place in history (of being the dumbest fuck, ever)
19316  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 20, 2018, 03:31:23 AM

good find, if it were really her you would think she would have stopped in to say hi

It's not her...


She would not be doing a signature campaign, either.
19317  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 20, 2018, 03:04:35 AM


The writing style does not seem like Tera..... I suppose that the account may have been sold?    She can report that, and maybe admins will freeze usage account?  but if they have no way of verifying who is the real Tera, then they might let it keep operating with the new owner... then we might get a publicly displayed battle between Tera and Tera2, perhaps?
19318  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 20, 2018, 02:57:52 AM
Many many words...
+10 WOsMerits   Kiss

Somewhere back we where having a delightful conversation...its buried and half forgotten.  
*Hugs*   ....moving forward.

Ditto...

It's like nothing happened, until we get into another BIG HUGE fight, and then at that time, any kind of historical (or hysterical) remnant, whether true or not, will become fair ammunition.  

Projecting our future:

Stap. You're supposed to hate each other for having differences in opinion. Have you learned nothing from politics?

Sometimes it does not matter.  Just want to vent.
19319  Other / Meta / Re: Forum ranks/positions/badges (What do those shiny coins under my name mean?) on: February 20, 2018, 02:15:05 AM
Well, I see a have a long long way to become a member.
I have just to keep posting, writing anything..... i hope someone find that useful and give me some merit...

if not, well, i will just keep writing.... i hope one day i will be able to join a signature campaign...

Yeah..   Sounds like you are on the right track.

Just keep making a bunch of shitty posts like the last one, and then sooner or later you will randomly obtain 10 merits from other members who feel inspired to send you merit based on such random nonsense.  Shocked  

Thereafter, you will be able to just sit back and chill in a signature campaign.  Like this: Cool


On a more serious note:  I do see that you are capable of better quality posts, and you did already receive 1 merit for one of your decent posts - accordingly, only 9 more merits to go...  If you consider ways to improve your post quality, rather than just throwing out a bunch of quantity, then perhaps your "long long way" will be reached with relative ease... I would think that the number of merits required for member status is likely going to seem like a cakewalk compared with the number of merits that you will need to receive in order to reach forum ranks higher than member.
19320  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 20, 2018, 01:38:08 AM
Bitcoin.com is not a scam, it is a URL. What is scammy about that? Further, in what way does the existence of such make me a scammer?

jbreher, just stop it.

By definition in the Whitepaper Bitcoin is the chain with greatest accumulated PoW.
I disagree. It is the longest valid chain.  What is valid is up to the collective of users, and different users can have different preferences. Luckily, there is a clear leader in terms of number of users and market cap. However, if bitcoin (core) and bitcoin cash had an equal amount of supporters, we might have a hard time determining which one would be named bitcoin.


Besides your stupid-ass use of bitcoin core to describe bitcoin, and your attempt at confusion by referring to bcash as bitcoin cash, you are also suggesting that the true bitcoin is a product of it's having more networking effects.  

Many of us probably already have heard of the 7 network effects outlined by Trace Mayer, and perhaps many of us would concede that if Bcash were able to gain substantial ground in those 7 network effects, then it would be in better place to be touting itself as the "real bitcoin."  But instead, currently bcash has fuck all in those networking effects, but still wants to tout itself as the real bitcoin.. so yeah, aspirations could meet reality, even though currently bcash remains as an aspirant to become the real bitcoin rather than anything even close to the real bitcoin inspite of it sharing the same prefork history.


This is ridiculous. The concept of the "longest chain" only has a meaning considering the same difficulty. When you change that (at that point we are talking about a completely different thing longest or not) you can easily get a longer chain with ANY PoW you want. That's exactly what Bcash did, and now it doesn't matter how long they get, because they are using a lower diffculty and... a smaller accumulated proof of work.

It's obvious that Satoshi thought about all this when he repeated the definition several times, including: "The longest chain which has the greatest proof-of-work effort invested in it" in section 4.

He had hard-forks in consideration, so the only thing that he thought of worthy differentiating between forks is what he stated above. There's no other way to be sure which chain is Bitcoin.

Satoshi also envisioned that miners would attack the contentious fork with the shortest chain and least PoW and kill it off. But that didn't happen. Because he didn't anticipate that mega miners would contentiously fork and collude to keep said fork alive (along side the main chain), and for selfish or malicious reasons. And then brokers and exchanges decide to help keep it alive as well.

Once this happened, all of the dogma of Satoshi's vision in his whitepaper got nullified. All bets are off, Katie bar the door, the end users now have the power to decide what is Bitcoin. Mega miners have fucked themselves as potential bad actors in the system. Brokers and exchanges have also now made themselves suspect.

Your response here, Torque, seems to support why in the real world, the ability to establish actual networking effects, within the contemplations of the Trace Mayer model become relevant in determining what (which) is the "real" bitcoin.
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