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Question: When will bitcoin reach the top of this bull market (i.e. when will it moon)?
Topped at $13,880 in June - 8 (5.9%)
H2 2019 - 15 (11%)
H1 2020 - 25 (18.4%)
H2 2020 - 25 (18.4%)
H1 2021 - 11 (8.1%)
H2 2021 - 27 (19.9%)
H1 2022 - 6 (4.4%)
H2 2022 - 4 (2.9%)
H1 2023 - 0 (0%)
H2 2023 - 2 (1.5%)
2024 or Later - 13 (9.6%)
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February 19, 2018, 09:21:25 PM

   Topic: The fabled GMO cards from Japan will be contract only...
2 year contract, but don't worry, it's only 5 million usd!
And you get to play "guess the fees".

https://www.gmo.jp/en/news/article/?id=765

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whip-round?

Sure.  If they guarantee uptime and hashrate backed by a bank guarantee and the numbers stack up.  The operational fee "TBD" is just an invitation to go negotiate with them directly. 
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February 19, 2018, 09:23:03 PM

Elwar:  can you create colored coins or ERC-20 style tokens?

Colored coins might be possible but a smart contract would still be required. I wouldn't use an ethereum token because I don't want to go down that path and confuse users with ethereums.
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February 19, 2018, 09:25:00 PM

[19:12:24] · <ben_vulpes> https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.06038 << "on a subset of 3,759 contracts which we sampled for concrete validation and manual analysis, we reproduce real exploits at a true positive rate of 89%, yielding exploits for 3,686 contracts"
[19:20:00] · <shinohai> I'm sure with time they can get that number closer to 100% (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1785157)

If When later this year, someday Bitcoin does another 10x I will "retire" and devote all my time to exploit research on blockchain/smart contracts field. That's when I will start to have real fun.
Looking forward to your research in 2019.

haha, I wish. I know it is perfectly possible that we do have another 10x in 2018 but.... something makes me hard to believe I will be so lucky. Wouldnt even care to wait a few more years for that. Not even if that means 10 years.

ANyway, whenever that happens you have my word you will see some exploits on my name (responsible disclosure ofc).
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February 19, 2018, 09:26:53 PM

[19:12:24] · <ben_vulpes> https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.06038 << "on a subset of 3,759 contracts which we sampled for concrete validation and manual analysis, we reproduce real exploits at a true positive rate of 89%, yielding exploits for 3,686 contracts"
[19:20:00] · <shinohai> I'm sure with time they can get that number closer to 100% (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1785157)

If someday Bitcoin does another 10x I will "retire" and devote all my time to exploit research on blockchain/smart contracts field. That's when I will start to have real fun.

Someone got to teach the shitcoiners why "ol' stupid bitcorn" isn't turing complete. Pain is a great way to learn Grin (makes the lessions stick)

Turing complete is ok.... on SIDECHAINS. Main layer has to be simple and secure.
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[19:12:24] · <ben_vulpes> https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.06038 << "on a subset of 3,759 contracts which we sampled for concrete validation and manual analysis, we reproduce real exploits at a true positive rate of 89%, yielding exploits for 3,686 contracts"
[19:20:00] · <shinohai> I'm sure with time they can get that number closer to 100% (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1785157)

If someday Bitcoin does another 10x I will "retire" and devote all my time to exploit research on blockchain/smart contracts field. That's when I will start to have real fun.

Someone got to teach the shitcoiners why "ol' stupid bitcorn" isn't turing complete. Pain is a great way to learn Grin (makes the lessions stick)

Turing complete is ok.... on SIDECHAINS. Main layer has to be simple and secure.

Exactly.

edit: Someone knows when rootstock is supposed to go live / be widely available?
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February 19, 2018, 09:30:08 PM

https://bitcoiin2gen.pr.co/163919-zen-master-steven-seagal-has-become-the-brand-ambassador-of-bitcoiin2gen
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February 19, 2018, 09:32:27 PM

Elwar:  can you create colored coins or ERC-20 style tokens?

Colored coins might be possible but a smart contract would still be required. I wouldn't use an ethereum token because I don't want to go down that path and confuse users with ethereums.


Great.  Let me explain myself.  Global equity markets are going to slowly transition onto public blockchains.  It’s going to start this year.  We need to be able to offer equity instruments (eg shares) on Bitcoin or a side chain or second layer. If we don’t, another public blockchain will fill the hole.

The Gibraltar Stock Exchange will probably be the first to offer regulated securities on a public blockchain. Others will follow quickly.  Eventually LSE, NYSE etc will see the writing on the wall.
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February 19, 2018, 09:40:11 PM

Bitcoin is up 4.5% today
GBTC is down 4.72% today, shrinking that premium (by 10% in one day).

Interesting.

Any recent ETF news perhaps?
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February 19, 2018, 09:47:44 PM
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Bitcoin.com is not a scam, it is a URL. What is scammy about that? Further, in what way does the existence of such make me a scammer?

jbreher, just stop it.

By definition in the Whitepaper Bitcoin is the chain with greatest accumulated PoW. Any defense of Ver's scamming attempt with the site that carries Bitcoin + ".com" in the URL to confuse the newbies in mixing up BTC and BCash is just insulting the intelligence of everyone here. You may pretend it's not obvious scam to you, but nobody believes you. Your posts show enough intelligence that you can not be that naive, you are either trolling or have some agenda with Roger, both very irritating. Don't turn yourself into a laughing stock light that silver fetishists whom no one believes he has no agenda, but spreads metal propaganda here out of his true love for our well being.
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Bitcoin.com is not a scam, it is a URL. What is scammy about that? Further, in what way does the existence of such make me a scammer?

jbreher, just stop it.

By definition in the Whitepaper Bitcoin is the chain with greatest accumulated PoW.
I disagree. It is the longest valid chain.  What is valid is up to the collective of users, and different users can have different preferences. Luckily, there is a clear leader in terms of number of users and market cap. However, if bitcoin (core) and bitcoin cash had an equal amount of supporters, we might have a hard time determining which one would be named bitcoin.
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Bitcoin.com is not a scam, it is a URL. What is scammy about that? Further, in what way does the existence of such make me a scammer?

jbreher, just stop it.

By definition in the Whitepaper Bitcoin is the chain with greatest accumulated PoW.
I disagree. It is the longest valid chain.  What is valid is up to the collective of users, and different users can have different preferences. Luckily, there is a clear leader in terms of number of users and market cap. However, if bitcoin (core) and bitcoin cash had an equal amount of supporters, we might have a hard time determining which one would be named bitcoin.
The one that supports pre-fork coins. This is not difficult.
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Bitcoin.com is not a scam, it is a URL. What is scammy about that? Further, in what way does the existence of such make me a scammer?

jbreher, just stop it.

By definition in the Whitepaper Bitcoin is the chain with greatest accumulated PoW.
I disagree.

Bitcoin White paper, first paragraph, Abstract:

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Abstract. ..., accepting the longest proof-of-work chain as proof of what happened while they were gone.

Source: https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

I don't get how can you disagree with the definition?

Edit: Section 4. is even more explicit:
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The majority decision is represented by the longest chain, which has the greatest proof-of-work effort invested in it.

If this isn't proof that using the word "Bitcoin" for anything other then BTC is a scam, I don't know what is.
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Bitcoin.com is not a scam, it is a URL. What is scammy about that? Further, in what way does the existence of such make me a scammer?

jbreher, just stop it.

By definition in the Whitepaper Bitcoin is the chain with greatest accumulated PoW.
I disagree.

Bitcoin White paper, first paragraph, Abstract:

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Abstract. ..., accepting the longest proof-of-work chain as proof of what happened while they were gone.

Source: https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

I don't get how can you disagree with the definition?
First of all, I don't read the white paper as gospel.  But even if you do, also in abstract: "As long as a majority of CPU power is controlled by nodes that are not cooperating to attack the network,  they'll  generate the  longest  chain  and  outpace attackers." Therefore the abstract itself already says that the longest chain rule is conditional.
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Bitcoin.com is not a scam, it is a URL. What is scammy about that? Further, in what way does the existence of such make me a scammer?

jbreher, just stop it.

By definition in the Whitepaper Bitcoin is the chain with greatest accumulated PoW.
I disagree.

Bitcoin White paper, first paragraph, Abstract:

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Abstract. ..., accepting the longest proof-of-work chain as proof of what happened while they were gone.

Source: https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

I don't get how can you disagree with the definition?
First of all, I don't read the white paper as gospel.  But even if you do, also in abstract: "As long as a majority of CPU power is controlled by nodes that are not cooperating to attack the network,  they'll  generate the  longest  chain  and  outpace attackers." Therefore the abstract itself already says that the longest chain rule is conditional.

Edit from above:
Section 4. is even more explicit:
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The majority decision is represented by the longest chain, which has the greatest proof-of-work effort invested in it.

If this isn't proof that using the word "Bitcoin" for anything other then BTC is a scam, I don't know what is.

It's not "gospel", it's definition. You can define other things yourself, but give Satoshi Nakamoto the right to define what Bitcion is.
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February 19, 2018, 10:14:48 PM

This is ridiculous. The concept of the "longest chain" only has a meaning considering the same difficulty. When you change that (at that point we are talking about a completely different thing longest or not) you can easily get a longer chain with ANY PoW you want. That's exactly what Bcash did, and now it doesn't matter how long they get, because they are using a lower diffculty and... a smaller accumulated proof of work.
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Bitcoin.com is not a scam, it is a URL. What is scammy about that? Further, in what way does the existence of such make me a scammer?

jbreher, just stop it.

By definition in the Whitepaper Bitcoin is the chain with greatest accumulated PoW.
I disagree.

Bitcoin White paper, first paragraph, Abstract:

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Abstract. ..., accepting the longest proof-of-work chain as proof of what happened while they were gone.

Source: https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

I don't get how can you disagree with the definition?
First of all, I don't read the white paper as gospel.  But even if you do, also in abstract: "As long as a majority of CPU power is controlled by nodes that are not cooperating to attack the network,  they'll  generate the  longest  chain  and  outpace attackers." Therefore the abstract itself already says that the longest chain rule is conditional.

Edit from above:
Section 4. is even more explicit:
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The majority decision is represented by the longest chain, which has the greatest proof-of-work effort invested in it.

If this isn't proof that using the word "Bitcoin" for anything other then BTC is a scam, I don't know what is.

It's not "gospel", it's definition. You can define other things yourself, but give Satoshi Nakamoto the right to define what Bitcion is.
I would bet that the majority of Core devs disagree with your definition, as would most users if push came to shove (if miners went a different direction from user needs) but hey, I'll try not to derail the thread for 2 nights in a row, so I'll quit this discussion.
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This is ridiculous. The concept of the "longest chain" only has a meaning considering the same difficulty. When you change that (at that point we are talking about a completely different thing longest or not) you can easily get a longer chain with ANY PoW you want. That's exactly what Bcash did, and now it doesn't matter how long they get, because they are using a lower diffculty and... a smaller accumulated proof of work.
That is what proof of work means. The amount of processing power put into it.
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Bitcoin.com is not a scam, it is a URL. What is scammy about that? Further, in what way does the existence of such make me a scammer?

jbreher, just stop it.

By definition in the Whitepaper Bitcoin is the chain with greatest accumulated PoW.
I disagree.

Bitcoin White paper, first paragraph, Abstract:

Quote
Abstract. ..., accepting the longest proof-of-work chain as proof of what happened while they were gone.

Source: https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

I don't get how can you disagree with the definition?
First of all, I don't read the white paper as gospel.  But even if you do, also in abstract: "As long as a majority of CPU power is controlled by nodes that are not cooperating to attack the network,  they'll  generate the  longest  chain  and  outpace attackers." Therefore the abstract itself already says that the longest chain rule is conditional.

Edit from above:
Section 4. is even more explicit:
Quote
The majority decision is represented by the longest chain, which has the greatest proof-of-work effort invested in it.

If this isn't proof that using the word "Bitcoin" for anything other then BTC is a scam, I don't know what is.

It's not "gospel", it's definition. You can define other things yourself, but give Satoshi Nakamoto the right to define what Bitcion is.
I would bet that the majority of Core devs disagree with your definition, as would most users if push came to shove (if miners went a different direction from user needs) but hey, I'll try not to derail the thread for 2 nights in a row, so I'll quit this discussion.
It doesn't matter who disagrees. The inventor defines what his creation is. If other people change it, then it is something else.
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Can we go back to arguing about child support?  
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