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19681  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can we estimate the total power usage of the Bitcoin network? on: October 28, 2016, 01:50:27 AM
a part of response : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558213.msg15640832#msg15640832

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4 397 214 french peoples consumes the same power of the Bitcoin MINING during a year.
517 french peoples consumes the same power of the Bitcoin NODE network during 1 year.

1 french people consume 7 379 kWh in 1 year.
1 french people consume 7 379 kWh in 1 year= average household uses 840watt an hour
seems about right when you think about a fridge/freezer on 24/7 and tv, computer, houselights, electric oven, dish/clothes washer on for certain amount of time which averages to that total.

but..
a node is just a computer ~450watt so for every 2 nodes is ~ 1 household(yes im rounding)..  so the real maths would be
5200 nodes @ 450watt = 2785 french households (nodes: 2340000watts / 840= 2785 households)

now as for the mining.
an asic is powered at ~1300watt = so for every asic is under 2 french people(yes i rounded)..so the real maths would be
125k asics @ 1.3kwatt = 193452 french households (asics: 162500000watts / 840= 193452 households)
19682  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can bitcoin be blocked too by the government or isp ?? on: October 28, 2016, 01:25:40 AM
blocking enactment by the internet service provider is a totally impossible !!
bitcoin is a financial system, not a criminal act that should be restricted for use !!

so your saying financial systems are not restricted?
ever tried to get more the £$500 out of an ATM
ever tried to carry more than £$10,000 in cash onto a plane

we should stop thinking or caring about government rules or possible future rules. but strengthen the network to not get impacted by any rules present or future.

we need to stop saying:
"i hope governments dont change laws"
"i hope hackers dont delete 6000 nodes data in one swoop"

and instead say
"hackers come try breaking bitcoin, you can waste your time it wont break"
"governments come try to take it offline, you can waste your time but new nodes will be up in 20 seconds"
19683  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can bitcoin be blocked too by the government or isp ?? on: October 28, 2016, 12:55:56 AM
Why wuld they block it though?

we should not care about why, where, who.
we should not be apathetic due to questions of why, where, who.

instead we should continue to increase the networks diversity and distribution so that questions such as:
why doesn't matter
when doesn't matter
who doesn't matter
where doesn't matter
19684  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Stash Launches ‘Bank In A Box’ Bitcoin Full Node on: October 28, 2016, 12:44:19 AM
Yeah you have to go to the FAQ section to get the hardware specs.
The 1TB hard drive is a little troubling to me. It seems like you would want to put a 5TB drive or something, especially considering how cheap storage drives have become.
Can they use some form of compression or another technology on the blockchain in the future?

I like the idea and the fact that they are trying to offer a service that combines a node, a wallet, a bitcoin mixer etc in one platform.
Its a cool idea, at least.


most hardware is defunct/out of date in 4-5 years so i think the 1TB is enough..
give them a few years and their next version will probably have more. but as i said 1TB is atleast 5 years, but more realistically 7-10years. which is adequate
19685  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: An Argument for Bitcoin as Private Property on: October 28, 2016, 12:27:08 AM
My issue with this example is that in my country, the roads are owned, possessed,
controlled, regulated by the state. They are a public use but privately held by the
state in a "public trust". They do not grant citizens a right to use them and have the
legal ability to restrict that public use. Depending on the circumstance, they are only
privileged use. Same with some other utilities in my country. Anyone can use the roads,
but only as long as they are used in accordance with the regulations that govern them.

the issue is you are not taking analogies at face value of a public road. you try to push beyond face value by introducing variables and outside extra's.
a rogue radio station is the same as an estate created on open land on an island by those living on it without needing mainland government oversight.
<6000 residents say here are the basic design plans for a road
this is done by one group of residents accepting any width road below 16 lanes
this is done by one group of residents accepting any width road below 4 lanes
this is done by one group of residents accepting any width road below 2 lanes
this is done by one group of residents accepting any width road below 1 lanes
and some residents(pools) build it by realising that only 1 lane roads are acceptable to all residents.

if the road doesnt meet the specifications of all the residents, the residents destroy the road and ask another road that fits the plans to be built.
there is no central government making decisions for the residents. the residents themselves set their own rules and what results as acceptable is a marginal solution that all residents accept. and they themselves destroy what is not suitable

bitcoin has no central government. so a road is just a public road. build by the consensus and compromise of residents.
bt if you dont like the car analogy..
screw it. lets call it the sea. and they keys allow people to use a boat.
screw it. lets call it the air. and they keys allow people to use a plane.
screw it. lets call it space. and they keys allow people to use a spaceship.
either way possession of a key is different to ownership of a key.. or of vehicle or of transportation platform.

possession seems to be the closest term no matter what analogy is used

So when you say blockchain is like the roads (and bitcoins are thus like cars keys= possession)
I have trouble seeing how it conforms within my country's laws. That is why I consider it like
a rouge radio station, since like with private radio signals, no country can easily stop or control
them. No one can possess the radio signal but all can hear it freely. Since bitcoin currently can
not be regulated or controlled the way that roads are (in my country) bitcoins fall into a limbo
legal zone where either it is required to be regulated by the state or it isn't regulated since it
"doesn't exist" in a state of existence that the laws recognize. So to get around all that, I just
say it can never be possessed because its existence is still in question.
as for pirate radio.
this analogy is flawed. because the signal is being broadcast by one radio DJ who is choosing what music shall be transmitted. thus he governs it without his listeners having a say.
secondly possession and ownership are different things.
19686  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Stash Launches ‘Bank In A Box’ Bitcoin Full Node on: October 27, 2016, 11:07:50 PM
no specs on the hardware in that box?  it's running btcd on linux i assume?  

https://stashnode.com/faqs.html
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What are the Stash Node Pro hardware specs?
The Node Pro has a 1 TB hard drive, a quad core processor, takes about 14 Watts of power, and has dimensions of 5.3" L x 5" W x 1.8" H (13.5cm L x 12.8cm W x 4.5cm H). Of course, it's the unique software which it runs under StashOS, that makes it so powerful.

1tb hard drive = ~ 5 years minimum lifespan at the segwit 4mb max blockweight. obviously it takes time to get to that max bloat amount. so id say 7-10 years utility as a fair expectation..

although its a pre-built system but is 99% open source.
id suggest importing your own wallet seeds/privkeys just to be sure the key generator within the device is not compromised(derived from a master key they own), if your just going to run it as-is.
but still worth checking the source code in the device itself incase the device got intercepted in shipment just to be 100% sure.
and to check the device doesnt transmit keys.
hopefully the guys will release file hashes as a quick way to achieve this to validate the executables have not been modified
19687  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: An Argument for Bitcoin as Private Property on: October 27, 2016, 10:37:46 PM
Are the car keys in your example the bitcoins or the privatekey? Or both?
I think you can "possess" the privatekey, but the "possession" of the bitcoins are illusory.

I guess using your example, I would say that the radio in the car is the blockchain.
The carkeys (privatekey) gets me in to change the channels, but I can't possess the radio signals.


keys=privkeys
car=coin
road=blockchain

no one owns the road.
everyone can use the road

the car is also on the road not no one owns the car. any family member with the keys or a thief with the right tools can use the car morally or immorally and take possession of it.

but if i am the only person with the keys then i am the only one that morally can use the car. which makes it in my possession (morally) while im the only key holder and the car is on a street i can get to.

again we are only talking about possession. not ownership
19688  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: An Argument for Bitcoin as Private Property on: October 27, 2016, 09:58:11 PM

Possession may be the only term that exists currently to describe it, but I still think its incorrect.

For example, if the Bitcoin network disappeared tomorrow, never to return, do you still possess
those bitcoins? No, you do not. You only possess the private keys. The bitcoins are only owned by
the blockchain, which grants no guarantees or rights to users or its token (or itself), and is entirely
virtual. Having possession of bitcoins would imply that the blockchain granted you rights that it
specifically denies granting.

So, when you "possessed" your bitcoins, in reality you never took any type of possession since they
never left their owner's "hands". In fact, transferring your bitcoins is performed within the owner and by
the owner and never outside the owner (unless in a third-party system). When you hold the private keys
to an address, that is the only possession that you may "possess" since it exists inside and outside the system,
whether that system is active or deactivated. But possessing those PKs does not automatically imply possession
of its contents, since the owner never granted rights to bitcoin possession itself.

So from a simple point of view, yes you possess those coins, but from a technical/legal point of view,
no one possesses any coins other than the blockchain itself. Humans (and one day AI) are only a means
for bitcoin to transfer itself. We are the property being used and granting rights to the blockchain, IMO.

If it must be a possession, I'd call it a false possession or deceptive possession.
Users who believe they have been granted rights should know that the opposite is true.


car keys.
if you posess the car keys its deemed you can use the car.
but you dont physically have the car in your pocket.. it is on the road(blockchain).
it is too big to be in your pocket. it will always be on the road.

and a repossession company(virus/hacker) can get a court order(trojan) to move the car off the road by either changing the locks(moving to their key). or they send the car to a destruction yard so no one uses it(address with no key).

if an earthquake/tsunami swallowed up all the roads and cars. then you do not posess the car anymore even if you have the key

but as long as the car is accessible to the road and you have the car key, you possess the car
ownership is a separate thing and more complex and thus i think ownership does not fit bitcoins terminology

but yes, even i said possession is not a perfect term. but a closer term than "ownership".
ownership and possession are not the same thing.
as ownership deems you have rights which we both agree is very questionable. possession just deems your simply able to use.
but again still not perfect term, just closer approximation
19689  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: btc authority on: October 27, 2016, 02:59:22 PM
authority:
the network and coin has no jurisdiction so cannot be controlled... only businesses with a registered address are restricted by laws of that jurisdiction

Even if Bitcoin is beyond national jurisdiction, it can still be controlled on an international level through relevant international organizations such the UN or IMF, which are established to address global scale issues. As I see it, international treaties are meant to specifically regulate issues regarding the global commons. Anyways, there shouldn't be any real difficulty to control Bitcoin worldwide if it were worth the effort and such a need arose.
How?

the IMF can only deal with government money. EG a painting or jewellery is a tradable asset. the IMF wont get involved with that
the UN can only deal with governments.

though governments can make laws to prohibit (make illegal to use) something. the law is just paper. paper cannot attack electric. just like paper couldnt directly attack liquid (moonshine/alcohol of the last century)
it requires court orders and law enforcement (HUMANS) to investigate and deliver these bits of paper to ISP's to shut off the internet of <6000 nodes/raid pubs/bars and drinking clubs.

but bitcoin nodes are not (should not) be confined to one country. thus if america prohibits bitcoin and gets a court order to disconnect the internet of 1500 peoples landlines. there are still 3700 nodes connected to the internet in other countries.

right now there are 91 countries that have nodes running. so all 91 countries will need to pass a law to prohibit bitcoin to then use that to all simultaneously get the ISP's of all nodes to disconnect the internet of all <6000 nodes.
though in minutes someone can knock on a neighbours door and borrow their landline internet or a open wifi to get their node online, while they sort out their own landline.

bitcoin is a little weak in this area because it does not cover all 200 countries and the majority are not using satalite internet to avoid a small possibility of international law changes and/or ISP take down requests.

but even in a worse case. people will just change their home address to get access to a new landline access to the internet. and borrow/rent friends internet for a month, while its getting sorted. thus all they can do is disrupt bitcoin temporarily, thus its a fools errand to take down someones internet.

mining pools already have several servers to mitigate the risk of not relying on one ISP access to the internet. so overall i cannot see governments being able to permanently stop the bitcoin network. but we should atleast not be apathetic and not trust/hope governments wont change laws or isps wont follow court orders or pretend that 91 countries is enough diversity/distribution.

we should always be looking to expand diversity/distribution to mitigate risks.
19690  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Need Help Regarding Proof of Stake Block Rewards! on: October 27, 2016, 09:47:57 AM
this section of the forum is more for bitcoin which is a POW. not a POS.

so its better to know which coin you are talking about and then you can go find the main promoter or dev of that coin and ask them direct. some coins even have an IRC or slack portal to talk directly with those involved.

many POS coins have different formulae.

some POS coins base the code on whoever made a transaction within the block to become part of the block securing mechanism and their involvement is rewarded.
some POS coins base the code on randomly selecting nodes that are available on the network.

there are many more. so its hard to give you a proper answer here.
19691  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can bitcoin be blocked too by the government or isp ?? on: October 27, 2016, 09:12:06 AM
Then we are witnessing one threatened and angry government using everything they got just to stop an independent, decentralized and peer to peer internet tokens system which is giving more potential benefit to humanity just like the invention of the telephone. If they were to use their powers that way then they should start using it to stop child porn or something morally wrong.

governments care about money. they pass on the duties of child porn investigations to local law enforcement.
after all you never see a senator or a MP raiding perves houses.

the government are restricted from directly getting a ISP to ban individuals from using the internet. hense why i said it would have to be done via interpol.
also interpol would need 'good cause' to get a court order to do such things.

with things like perves. stopping their internet is just an alarm bell for the perves to destroy evidence. and thats why they prefer to do 'morning raids' to surprise the perverts and avoid evidence being destroyed. rather than shut down their internet.

though cutting off the internet is both physically and technically possible. the procedures involved in doing so are not straight forward. a government would need to create a law to allow law enforcement to apply to courts to accept and create a court order without question.
much like a bitlicence can be used to stop a unregistered business in new york by applying for a takedown order.
so at the moment i cannot see it happening in reality any time soon to stop individuals.. but that can change much like the change that affects businesses in newyork

but just because there is no bitcoin ban law for individuals in 200 countries right now does not mean we should be apathetic and not secure bitcoin more to prepare/prevent the chance of future changes to the law. we should not leave bitcoin weak to internet banning of just 6000 landlines and then sit on our hands and hope to lobby government to not open the weakness to an attack.
we should not rely on government to solve bitcoin security/utility weaknesses. we should secure bitcoin to not rely on governments.

bitcoin should be at a self sustaining state that no law or individual can hamper it. and not at a mediocre state of hope and faith that bad things cant happen.

apathy and hope which causes lazyness is a security risk.
much like blind faith in devs without  personally checking what features and code actually does become a risk.
its how trojans end up on peoples computers because they trust too much that something wont go wrong.
19692  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Should England leave the UK on: October 27, 2016, 07:59:41 AM
lol popcorn1

20k are just 0.03% of the population.

if you think that sending 0.03% of the population back (1 person per town) is going to solve the waiting lists of 500 homes and hundreds of nhs appointments.. per town then you are really missing the point.

one person cannot live in 500 houses.
one person cannot caus hundreds of appointments.

its not the fault of the one person. its the fault of the councils and parliament wasting money.
sending 20k people back wont free up the cash needed. because the cash is not going to the poor. its going to the rich.

stop reading sheeple media and think for yourself

stop blaming the poor.
start blaming the rich.

put it this way. if there were 2 jobs available.
1 treasury minister
1 immigrant deportation manager.

i feel you will not want to sort out economy to put money where it should go and solve the problem instantly
you would instead prefer to be a racist, deporting people... and for the next 50 years continue being racist because nothing has changed and its all the non-whites fault.

im getting the feeling you dont actually care about how to solve the problems of schools, housing and nhs. but instead want to find excuses to ignore solutions so you can have another 50 years to be racist
19693  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New Bitcoin Puzzle on: October 27, 2016, 06:48:22 AM
Level 1 has been SOLVED with the entry of a correct keypad code. Doing so has kicked off a 30 day timer prior to the Level 2 opening. I'll drop a few hints during that time to help folks catch up:

Hint #1: The keypad code is derived entirely from the triangle + dot code. That and the URL for the text adventure are the only pieces of info needed from the painting to complete Level 1.

well we know the url has 347 in it.
we presume the dots represent keys of a 9 digit numeric keypad.
but what about the triangles.

if you want to be helpful explain what the triangles represent.
19694  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What does Bill Clinton say to Hillary after having sex?? on: October 27, 2016, 12:12:01 AM
honey we have an 'erection' every 4 years but this is the first time you are on top
19695  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Should England leave the UK on: October 26, 2016, 11:54:25 PM
so you want to get rid of asylum seekers. (unable to work)
but at the same time you also want controlled immigration so that only skilled workers turn up.

guess what.
by taking in skilled people(controlled migration). you are still going to have foreign dentists and doctors.
so drop your racist prejudice about:
"Is you friend a nurse is your friend a dentist?.. They have said they cannot even speak our lingo most of them are with someone who can.."

because controlled migration wont solve foreign WORKERS.
again asylum seekers CANT WORK. so controlled migration has nothing to do with solving employment issues in regards to race.
infact controlled immigration welcomes foreign workers. which is the opposite to what im deeming you prefer

do you know the real way to solve the problems you cry about.
move peoples bank accounts to the bank of england and let the other banks fail.
then use the 44.9billion to increase the number of beds in the NHS and the number of schools.

it seems you prefer to read the sheeple newspapers rather than statistics.

also if you think the councils dont get any funding for 'people on the dole'
actually they do. look back at the ukspending image.. housing = £4billion.

but like i said the councils do not use that funding to make new houses.. they waste it with posh cars and expenses

the solution again is not to throw 0.03% of the population out.. its to actually spend the funds where needed.
EG 4billion housing funding (dole: housing allowance) and another 6 billion from council tenants that DO work = 10billion.

average house build is £80k = 125,000 houses per year could be built.
so instead of moaning about 20,000 asylum seekers over 4 years.. (5k a year)
you should be demanding that the country builds 120,000 homes a year "for our own" and 5000 "for asylum seekers".

but instead you will ignore the actual numbers. and ignore the "expenses" money grabs by councils and mp's and instead follow the sheep media to blame the poor.

imagine you sat at a table in a cake shop. you are sat beside a migrant and a banker.
the waitress brings over a plate of 10 cupcakes..
the banker takes 9 cupcakes. lets you watch the immigrant take 1 and then the banker whispers in your ear "hey buddy the immigrant took your cupcake"
the banker then walks away with 9 cupcakes.

your the kind of person that would let a banker walk away with 9 cupcakes, sat the stewing with evil eyes at the migrant.. rather then
what i would do... dragging the banker back to shout "3 cupcakes each and give the waitress 1 cupcake as a tip"
19696  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How to be a good bitcoin investor to prevent scammed on: October 26, 2016, 10:41:30 PM
tip 1.
dont invest in anything claiming to make you more bitcoin, simply by handing funds over, without any other real work involved.

tip 2.
if your hearing about it, you are already at the bottom of the pile and already going to lose out

tip 3.
the person telling you about it is going to make profit from your involvement (if you ignore tip 1). so when you get scammed get your funds back from the guy in profit who informed you about it.

tip 4.
follow tip 1 and then report people who are advertising such schemes so less people are enticed by it and less people become victims

tip 5.
dont ignore rule 1. and rule 4.

tip 6.
follow rules 1. 4.  and 5...

tip 7.
if unsure read rule 6 atleast 10 times
19697  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can bitcoin be blocked too by the government or isp ?? on: October 26, 2016, 09:24:58 PM
ok. another worse case scenario.

a government could via united nations/interpol set up a sudden international tactical strike

this can be done by
https://bitnodes.21.co/
getting all the IP's and finding out which ISP that ip belongs to.
EG in the UK its under 230..in the U.S its under 1500

so imagine tomorrow under 230 homes out of 20 million households have their internet disconnected
at the same time
in america under 1500 homes out of 100mill households have their internet disconnected
and so on
even things like proxies are useless because the landline has been literally cut off for upto 6000 locations
think its impossible? its not. ISP's have millions of customers and regularly turn the internet off on 10's of thousands of users every week due to breach of contract/non payment of bill.

they would also take bitnodes and other DNS seeding locations offline to further cause drama of new node locations not being able to link up, though smart people will just join an IRC channel and request a list of working ip addresses to manually add node connections

as for the network
what would happen is that the countries with no "partnerships" to whatever agency is organising this tactical strike will continue on. and people who are affected would need to either move house or go to court to get their internet ban lifted or change ISP which can take upto 10 days in some cases.

again it wont require an all out "ban the internet" of 1.5billion people. but instead disconnecting the land lines of under 6000 people to cause alot of drama and issues.

the solution is to get more diverse. instead of bitcoin nodes running in just 91 countries it needs to be running in all 200 countries. and also needs to be running via satalite and other non landline/ISP reliant methods
19698  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Open Source Blockchain Based Voting System on: October 26, 2016, 08:54:17 PM
The goal would be to make registration decentralized, could this be achieved by having voters (aka wallets) cross check and verify other voters through signed message confirmation groups (similar to your friends list on facebook)?  
Maybe a second layer to achieve verification, a 'tree of wallets (identity)' also modeled after social media

still seems open to attack by someone setting up several addresses and verifying himself.

but then it all depends on what is being voted in.
eg if its a new law. its easy to verify X senators/mp's did not make a dozen accounts.
but if its a national election how do you know 10%(30mill) of america didnt even bother to register. and some dude however made 25mill addresses in his control to still keep it under the population count
19699  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What does the world think of Trump on: October 26, 2016, 08:47:53 PM
trump wont get in. he is just the side act to get more people to not think about hilary's failures to swing the vote in her favour.

if i was american i would not vote for either and demand another candidate.
19700  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: completely new and need help please... on: October 26, 2016, 08:42:01 PM
Wow that's very helpful, thank you everyone for typing all of that out!  I guess I should have researched this better before trying to just dive in.  I appreciate everyone taking the time to explain all of this to me!

last advice.
anyone saying you can download a program that will increase your bitcoin holdings. or offers you a double your money. stay away. these days you need a special device to create new bitcoin by being part of another mechanism of bitcoins security.

apart from:
buying bitcoins from a legit service. (like you did via circle)
selling a product for bitcoin
working (job/starting a business) in exchange for a bitcoin wage,
which are other ways to legitimately get more bitcoin (just like any currency), anything else is just a scam.

dont be fooled by any of these get rich schemes suggesting you can get bitcoin for no effort.
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