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201  Economy / Economics / Re: Crypto is more like “a psychological experiment than a serious investment" on: April 18, 2018, 07:59:49 AM
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To me, it's interesting as another example of faddish human behavior. It is more psychological than something that could be explained by the computer science department.

Faddish human behavior/psychology is driving the market; it's true to an extent.
 
The computer science department part is a bit confusing. Couple of his past statements:

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Then, we have a new form of money that ... sounds extremely revolutionary and involves a very clever use of cryptography that you can spend all afternoon trying to figure out," Shiller said. "So the story has inspired young people and active people, and that's what's driving the market.

Cryptography/Blockchain technology is the story that is driving the market.

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I tend to think of bitcoin as an experiment," he said. "It is an interesting experiment, but it's not a permanent feature of our lives. We are over-emphasizing bitcoin, we should broaden it out to blockchain, which will have other applications.

He also said that there is a political side:

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Part of it is political. Economists tend to neglect the political side," he said. "There's a big element of people [who] don't trust the government anymore. They like the idea that this didn't come from the government. It came from some real smart computer scientist. They like that. It's a great story for today's markets.

I wouldn't call it political. People's distrust in the government is driving the Bitcoin market, now doesn't that make Bitcoin a socio-economic experiment?

Robert Schiller did said that Bitcoin is the best example of a bubble, tulip mania and it's collapse was imminent and then changed his opinion to cryptocurrencies could linger on for a good long time and now faddish human behavior, but at the same time consideringthe decentralized socio-economic angle of Bitcoin. He seems a tad bit confused and he did said that he doesn't know what to make of Bitcoin ultimately.
202  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Coinsecure Not Secure? on: April 16, 2018, 04:30:42 PM
So what basically happened was that the government stepped its game up by terminating bank accounts associated with cryptocurrency exchanges in the country like Zebpay, Unocoin and CoinSecure and many others. While the others were ready to compensate its user base, the founder of CoinSecure is believed to have fled with all of the 438~ BTC that was stored in a non-multisig address (so much for the brand name 'CoinSecure') and the rest of the team is helpless at this point of time.

He isn't the founder, but CSO of Coinsecure who joined the platform on September 2017.

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Dr. Amitabh Saxena has kept a watchful eye on the progress of Coinsecure’s construction of complex and fast algorithms and a reliable platform backbone.

Doc comes with an extremely strong understanding of the crypto space and has a lot of ideas and implementations that he will be bringing to Coinsecure.

http://blog.coinsecure.in/post/165496119420/coinsecure-welcomes-dr-amitabh-saxena-on-board

It does look like an inside job, the timing seems a bit bad for the Indian crypto community. At a time, a few days after RBI's ring-fencing announcement, one of the India's oldest cryptocurrency exchanges getting hacked/inside job was the last thing the community needed.  Apart from bounty, coinsecure has roped in Chainalysis to track the movement, but don't think there is much hope in it and their 10% in BTC and 90% in INR if Bitcoins not recovered refund plan would be unfair to those users who were keeping Bitcoins on an exchange for the long-term, to an extent they have themselves to blame. Hopefully Coinsecure would come out of this mess and resume their services.
203  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Ideas on de-centralized regulation. on: April 16, 2018, 07:51:06 AM
1. Crypto UK – A self-regulatory trade association for the UK cryptocurrency industry.

2. Virtual Commodity Association (VCA) - An industry sponsored self-regulatory organization for the U.S. virtual currency industry.

3. Sixteen exchanges in Japan forming a self-regulatory organization.

4. The Korean Blockchain Association with 23 exchanges is preparing to form a self-regulatory organization.

5. The South African Reserve Bank (SARB) is setting up a self-regulatory organization to regulate cryptocurrencies.

6. Indian Bitcoin exchanges are self-regulated under Digital Asset and Blockchain Foundation of India (DABFI).

Regulations are inevitable, either governments would impose their own crypto regulations or non-governmental self-regulatory organizations would be able to come with their own regulatory framework that is efficient, effective, enforceable, and acceptable to prevent any over-the-top regulatory intervention from the government.

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Regulating cryptocurrencies prematurely could have the negative consequence of throttling the growth and innovation of the industry. In addition, if laws are drafted based on existing technology, which is still in its growth phase, there is a risk that the technology may have moved so much by the time the legislation is enacted, that the legislation is obsolete or requires updating almost immediately to align with the latest technology.

SRO's would be more flexible to adapt and implement regulatory guidelines according to the changing crypto dynamics without impeding innovations. Most of the countries are yet to come up with any regulatory framework for cryptocurrencies and with proposals like VCA and Crypto UK, if the industry is able to self regulate then the possibility of stringent governmental regulations can be avoided.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/south-africas-central-bank-to-establish-self-regulatory-body-to-oversee-crypto-industry
204  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BTC mainstream and use for payments. on: April 12, 2018, 04:57:32 PM
Someone posted something similar to this topic on Reddit four years ago, Bitcoin addresses need a new naming shorthand:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1u805o/bitcoin_addresses_need_a_new_naming_shorthand_to

One of the responses was,

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I'd be happier sending to '1667dggwAuUzsrcc1Ujmdj1pX6qecCdKz8' than ''billing@gas.provider.bitcoin' because there is a built-in 32-bit checksum to catch a typo or copy/paste error with 99.99999998% certainty ( (1- 1/(232) )*100 ) rather than silently accepting my irreversible transaction to a wrong email-style address.

A couple of pros and cons of address aliases are discussed, not good for Bitcoin's trustless model/third-party, simply copy/paste, use QR codes. IMO, having address aliases would make Bitcoin more user-friendly and I have no idea how it could be implemented.

There is CryptoAlias project, based on this same concept.

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We believe that blockchain technologies should be accessible to everyone, regardless of age or IT skills. We intend to facilitate and accelerate the adoption of cryptocurrencies, by making blockchain usage simpler, easier and more secure. Our first goal is to eliminate the need of using blockchain addresses, similarly to how domain names eliminated the need of using IPs.

You get a unique alias and associate your blockchain address with it. Instead of using your blockchain address, people can start using your simple and personalized alias. Alternatively, people can continue to use your blockchain address. However, when they input it in a wallet, your alias will appear and will give them the confidence of having introduced the right characters.

CryptoAlias is compatible with all blockchains. We aim to become the de facto standard for blockchain identity, similarly to how DNS is for the web.

https://www.cryptoalias.io
205  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cryptocurrency as Securities in Philippines on: April 12, 2018, 07:02:12 AM
The Philippines’ SEC is working on a regulatory framework for cryptocurrencies/ICOs, but I don't think they have classified Bitcoin as a security, licensed exchanges, recognized Bitcoin as a medium of exchange/remittances.

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“The direction is for us to consider this so-called virtual currencies offerings as possible securities in which case we will apply the Securities Regulation Code,” Aquino was quoted as stating. We have seen particularly in the social media sites that there are offers of initial coin offerings, most popular of which, of course [are] bitcoin and Ethereum…but [there are] new ones which may be considered as securities.

Some ICO tokens might be considered as securities and would have to comply with Philippines’ SEC, like what happened with the Krops ICO and couple of days ago they also released a statement that cloud mining contracts would be classified as securities.

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Under Rule 26.3.5 par. 4 of the 2015 Implementing Rules and Regulations of the Securities Regulation Code (Republic Act 8799), an investment contract has been defined as a contract, transaction or scheme (collectively “contract”), whereby a person invests his money in a common enterprise and is led to expect profits primarily from the efforts of others.
 
Applying the Howey Test as discussed by the Honorable Supreme Court in Power Homes Unlimited vs. SEC (G.R. No. 164182, February 26, 2008), a cloud mining contract is an investment contract falling within the purview of the term “securities” as defined by law. First, there is investment of money because an investor is expected to part with his hard-earned money in order to enter into these contracts. Second, there is an investment in a common enterprise because the party soliciting investments pool the funds collected to purchase mining equipment for use in the profit-making activity. Third, there is expectation of profits because the investor is given the promise of a return in the form of fiat currency or cryptocurrency. Lastly, the profits are generated from the efforts of others because the cloud mining company undertakes to perform all the profit-generating activities and distributes all the profits to all investors after deducting mining costs.

But Bitcoin as security, there is investment of money, but no investment contract, although there is expectation of profits, it is based on market forces since there is no common enterprise. I guess I deviated a bit from the topic, but the point is some cryptocurrencies/ICO tokens will be treated as securities, but Bitcoin isn't classified as a security in Philippines and if they do so they would be the first.

http://www.sec.gov.ph/advisory-on-cloud-mining-contracts
206  Economy / Economics / Re: The HODL strategy is not actual on: April 10, 2018, 01:33:58 PM
I guess this is the article you read, Reddit data reveals weird correlation between cryptocurrency volatility and HODLing,

https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2018/04/09/reddit-cryptocurrency-bitcoin-hodl-stats

Conclusions:

1. HODL meme spiked in popularity in December and January.

2.  Market volatility increases the number of HODL comments. Both the days with the biggest market losses, along with the days with the biggest market gains saw a higher number of HODL comments on average and not surprisingly HODL on losses greater than HODL on gains.

3. After February, the number of HODL comments has significantly diminished despite sustained market volatility.

Although the market has been fluctuating, the price movement is somewhat restricted. We are in a bear market, less action, fewer posts, less activity on Reddit, less number of HODL. The HODL guys are taking a break and waiting for the next Bull Run.

https://hackernoon.com/analyzing-every-reddit-comment-mentioning-hodl-since-2017-part-one-d536eb8364ad
207  Economy / Economics / Re: Why well-distinguished economists are negative on bitcoin on: April 10, 2018, 10:26:20 AM
Steven Horwitz, an economist of the Austrian School has aptly summarized why most economists criticize Bitcoin.

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It’s (Bitcoin) something economists had never had to think about until this was developed, and we're just beginning to think through all the implications of it.

I guess the most important objective of microeconomics is inflation, achieving price stability through monetary policy for economic growth and then one day there is a new currency, Bitcoin, programmable money, no central authority, inelastic/deflationary, a whole new economic model.

Bitcoin has gone through multiple bubble phases and like Andreas Antonopoulos said Bitcoin grows by bubbles, a new technology, there is lot of speculation. As far as volatility, Bitcoin isn't designed to achieve perfect price stability.

Basically, it's a new economic system, somewhat exact opposite of the traditional one so it's impossible to predict how Bitcoin will evolve or its implications and the statements made by these well-known economists are based on their understanding of the existing economic model.
208  Economy / Economics / Re: Is The War Against ASICs Worth Fighting? on: April 10, 2018, 07:38:26 AM
I think you are overestimating the risks of hard forking in the first place.  I mean, think about the time, money and effort that goes into companies, or other for profit small mining operations, to develop ASICs... To keep actively knocking them off the network, I think, will dissuade people from even attempting I would think.

Using hard forks as means to maintain the decentralized nature of the coin is far superior than letting more centralization to occur imo.

Yeah, to maintain ASIC-resistance forking periodically would make developing ASICs cost-prohibitive, short-term approach, but at the same time if you look at the long-term sustainability of such an approach, the possibilities mentioned in this article and also by a Monero developer, Proposal to consider an ASIC-friendly proof of work, can't be ruled out. After the April 6th hard fork, now there are four Monero's.

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1. Continued and repeated ad-hoc modifications to the PoW algorithm may accidentally (or even maliciously) introduce exploits.

2. ASIC developers may build in more flexibility to their designs to be able to accommodate small algorithm tweaks (indeed this may already be the case, we don't know).

3. Potential for favoritism/corruption if plans for tweaks are leaked or influenced far enough ahead of time that some favored ASIC developers may have enough lead time to produce ASICs, while others do not.

4. A belief that ASICs may be desirable as a means to facilitate industrial scale mining and growing the network beyond what might be called a hobby mining phase.

5. Potential for increased monopolization if the strategy is only partially effective (i.e. keeps all but oneASIC developer from succeeding)

6. Dependence of the network on continued frequent hard forking independent of the need for functional upgrades. This carries with it a greater degree of centralization necessary to design, implement and coordinate these forks, without any real plan to transition beyond it.

Unlike the Monero community, Sia community took a different approach/different perspective.

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Bitmain has a strong track record in Bitcoin of actively working to undermine core development, blocking important network upgrades (Segwit), backing contentious forks (Bitcoin Cash), building in backdoors (Antbleed), and much more. We consider Bitmain a bad actor in the cryptocurrency space.

At the same time, we recognize that we have a conflict of interest. Our own Obelisk SC1 is now competing directly with Bitmain’s A3. Though we have the ability to release a version of Sia that invalidates the A3s via a soft-fork, we believe that doing so before Bitmain has attacked our network would be a centralized, monopolistic move, rather than a proactive, protective measure.

Therefore, we will not be supporting a soft-fork at this time.

At this point in time, choosing to fork would mean compromising on our values as a company and a community, even though Bitmain poses a serious threat to the Sia network.

ASIC-resistance or ASIC-friendly, Bitmain is a bad actor in the cryptocurrency space, but economically they don't have any incentive to attack cryptos. They made a profit of up to $4 billion last year. With Samsung, Halong mining, Baikal and other manufacturer's entering the market, ASIC commodization eventually will happen and Bitmain's monopoly will end so IMO hard forks or ASIC-proof algorithms are more of a short-term solutions.

https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/3387

https://blog.sia.tech/response-to-the-sia-community-and-bitmain-653a12284098
209  Economy / Economics / Is The War Against ASICs Worth Fighting? on: April 07, 2018, 01:50:29 PM
In March, Bitmain announced Antminer X3, an ASIC miner for the CryptoNight algorithm, Monero, and just a couple of days ago it was Ethereum's turn, Antminer E3, an ASIC miner for the Ethash algorithm. Monero committed to ASIC resistance from the beginning hard forked yesterday to maintain status quo and the ETH community is pondering over different possibilities. Although ASICs are far more efficient and profitable than GPUs, like Monero, a few cryptocurrencies consider ASIC resistance being a major specification and are focused on maintaining it, all because of Bitmain's monopoly over ASIC miner manufacturing. Is it unethical if Bitmain uses its own hardware for private mining and thus centralizing mining sector and getting control over majority of network hashrate? It is/isn't because it's a free market and lack of competition. If I am not wrong Application Specific Integrated Circuit can be built for any algorithm, it's possible, depends on a coin's market cap, mining revenue/profitability, and cost of manufacturing ASICs. So basically ASIC development is inevitable, and crypto communities looking to maintain ASIC resistance have to do periodical hard forks, but is this strategy sustainable for long-term? Obviously, the long-term solution is ASIC commoditization.

“ASIC commoditization” refers to an imagined marketplace in the future, where there are many different manufacturers producing ASICs of comparable power and price point.

But how long will it take for ASIC production to transform from monopoly to a truly competitive environment?

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All cryptocurrency developers who build public proof-of-work blockchains have to face the same challenge: Bitmain, a China-based chipmaker with a monopoly over ASIC miner manufacturing. Bitmain’s dominance over hash power and enormous influence is dangerous for peer-to-peer networks. It makes protocols vulnerable to censorship and rule-changes dictated by a single central authority, upsetting the checks and balances between the various stakeholders.

And yet — there are benefits to having ASICs on your network. Specialized hardware is extremely efficient, and boast far more hash power, and thus security, per unit of electricity. They’re more reliable than home-built GPU miners, and allow miners to specialize, professionalize, and scale up. Additionally, ASICs are algorithm-specific, and could align miner incentives better with a specific project compared to GPUs, which are much more flexible.

However, ASIC critics believe that silicon manufacturing is an inherently unfair game, where larger chipmakers can use economies of scale to undercut and extinguish competitors. In theory, ASIC-resistant networks wouldn’t be necessary if their creators believed the ASIC manufacturing industry could ever be a level playing field.

1. Why create ASIC-resistant networks?

As a result of ASICs, the idea of an average person mining profitably with their CPU or GPU disappeared. Bitcoin mining is no longer a purely decentralized and egalitarian pursuit, as it requires millions of dollars of capital to participate in. Only large mining companies have the resources to create a competitive ASIC, and they control the supply of this hardware to consumers. There’s a much higher barrier to entry to creating and using ASICs compared to GPUs or CPUs. Mining concentration from ASICs has resulted in pools controlling more than 51% of the hashrate at times, and Bitmain producing a majority of Bitcoin mining chips.

2. How does ASIC resistance work?

It’s important to note “ASIC resistant” doesn’t mean that making dedicated hardware can’t be done. It simply means that the mining algorithm makes it less economical or profitable to produce ASIC chips for the algorithm — not that ASICs are impossible to create.

The core of the disagreement around ASIC resistance comes down to your view on the chip manufacturing industry. Proponents of ASIC-resistance projects also believe ASIC commoditization is impossible, and that specialized hardware will always be vulnerable to monopolization at every step of the process (development, production, distribution). Their argument is that economies of scale and cheaper electricity will allow a few corporations to perpetually dominate the mining process. ASICs will always be fundamentally incompatible with the idea of a fair and distributed mining process, so pursuing GPUs make more sense.

3. Are ASICs inevitable?

In a successful and growing cryptocurrency network, ASIC development is inevitable. Even if the ASIC is not exponentially more efficient than GPUs, it becomes profitable at a certain point to create specialized hardware and mine it.

4. The risks of hard-forking away from ASICs

The most simple answer is to change the Proof of Work algorithm via a Hard Fork. ASICs (Application Specific Integrated Circuits) will only work for specific algorithms, so small changes can render them useless.

Changing the proof of work algorithm can successfully fend off ASICs once or twice, but the long term sustainability of this strategy is questionable. This game of ‘cat and mouse’ requires community consensus and good execution to keep tweaking the algorithm. As open source protocols grow and become more widely used, this consensus will inevitably be harder to achieve. At some point, community stakeholders might realise these constant forks are being done in vain.

Apart from requiring community consensus that will get harder to achieve over time, hard forking every time ASICs are conceived has many risks:

1. The introduction of new bugs or exploits, whether accidental or malicious in nature.

2. Hard forks will scatter the hash power on the network.

3. GPU mining is also susceptible to economies of scale and domination by vertically integrated companies like Bitmain.

4. ASIC developers could build more flexible FPGA designs that can adjust to small algorithm tweaks.

5. Can ASIC Commoditization happen fairly?

We are now starting to see increased competition and decentralization of bitcoin mining. This is due to a couple of factors:

Increased geographical distribution. Due to government crackdown, some mining operations are moving from China to Iceland, Canada, the US, etc.

An end to China’s cheap electricity policy.Cheap electricity in China allowed miners based there to undercut everyone else and make it unsustainable for those in other countries. However, the government’s crackdown has made this practice less common.

Other chipmakers such as Intel and Samsung have entered the game. Bitmain’s huge margins have forced other companies to get involved in the foundry business.

It’s taken bitcoin around 5+ years to begin this process, and it will take many more years to finish.

With Bitcoin’s price increasing 1000% in 2017, it’s inevitable that competitors will enter the chipmaking and mining market. Many new mining operations have sprung up, and many more plan to enter the market over the next year.

Bitcoin mining is trending towards decentralization and resembling of a commodity product, but this is a long and slow process. Samsung and Intel could eventually compete with Bitmain, but it will take a while.

6. What can we conclude about the future of ASIC mining?

Changing the proof of work algorithm often comes with costs and is a never ending game of cat and mouse. Developers can obviate this game by focusing on the creation of a fair and sustainable environment for ASIC production and development.

Allowing ASICs to develop means mining could be centralized for a time being while the market is immature. However, with the large margins enjoyed by Bitmain, other operations won’t be able to resist competing.

There is no easy way forward, but embracing ASICs is probably the best route.
ASIC commoditization is a very complicated issue, and determining whether it’s likely to happen will require more input from foundries, miners, and other stakeholders in the ecosystem.

https://tokeneconomy.co/is-the-war-against-asics-worth-fighting-b12c6a714bed
210  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: End of road for Cryptocurrencies in INDIA? on: April 07, 2018, 07:35:57 AM
Three months to go and even after that if RBI sticks with its current stance, would it be the end of road for cryptocurrencies in India? No. Either exchanges will come with some alternative solutions or traders will move to P2P markets. A good number of Indians have invested into crytos and then there are also traders who have quit their jobs to trade in crypto. If these traders don't have the option to buy/sell Bitcoin through legal means, obviously they would find loopholes.

Democracy Grin

211  Economy / Economics / Re: What IF? on: April 06, 2018, 11:25:40 AM
My latest conspiracy theory is this :

Someone has seen the future <Ok, Ok.... not the way you think> They recognised that Bitcoin will be going to the Moon soon, and they want to buy as many coins as possible <at the lowest price> before this happens. How do they do that? Well, by buying a lot of coins <Which would explain the sudden price increase from $1000 to $18 000 last year> and then gradually dumping those coins back onto the market, with every bad news that are announced. <They bought at $1000 to $6000 to stimulate a frenzy and it worked, because it went up to $18 000>

Let me see if I get this right.

They bought a lot of coins to increase the price from 1 000 to 18 000, not they are suppressing the price back to 6 000,  by dumping because they know it will go up beyond 18 000 somewhere in the future.

They had 3 years of buying coins at 1/10 of the current value and now they are bent on keeping bitcoin at 6 000 to accumulate.

No matter how you look at it it's just not making any sense!!!

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They only need to trigger a panic response with every little dump, to push down the price. So it requires a lot less coins to do that. <Remember, they are still making profits on their way down to their buying price> They cannot dump all those coins at once, because it will tank the price, so they dump it slowly.

So they want to push down the price slowly but they don't want to push it fast because that way it will go down...also
Common....

Strictly A Conspiracy Theory

In October, after CME's announcement to launch Bitcoin futures, the price surged to a record high above $6400. Three years is quite a bit of stretch. Let's assume the manipulators bought at around $5 to $6K, all the hype, individual investors fomoing, the price hit ATH just around and after futures launch and then these manipulators slowly started selling their Bitcoin to win their futures, profiting from both.

If price suppression is their goal, why would they dump all the coins at once? Panic sellers and holders, like OP said these manipulators sell a few coins to trigger a response from panic sellers to push down the price a bit. They don't own the whole supply of Bitcoins, they can manipulate panic sellers by dumping a few coins, but still there are long-term holders. I guess with their unlimited supply of fiat, they can rinse and repeat this strategy until the ecosystem has more ideologically driven long-term holders, few panic sellers, and these manipulators end up having no coins. Taking off my tin foil hat.


This theory can be debunked simply on the basis of, no evidence to prove such a manipulation is happening, futures market doesn't have enough volume to manipulate Bitcoin market, and this recent trend is simply a natural market pattern.

A good number of Bitcoin users assumed the future market/institutional investors will affect the Bitcoin price positively, guess we have to wait a bit for that to happen. Conspiracy theory or happening, one thing is factual, the Wall Street/institutional investors don't care about Bitcoin's ideologies, for them it doesn't matter whether it succeeds or fails, they just see Bitcoin as a tool to boost their fiat earnings.
212  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Fund raising through an ICO on: April 06, 2018, 06:16:35 AM
ICO's aren't limited to startups raising funds for unfinished products. Well-established revenue generating companies like Kik, Telegram, Overstock, Kodak etc are looking to expand their existing business/userbase by tokenizing it. Brick and mortar business, revenue generating, good track record, need additional capital to expand business, no bank loans, ICO can be used to raise capital. Existing companies are getting into ICOs not only to raise capital, but also to integrate Blockchain technology into their business model.
213  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Your bank will not allow you to buy bitcoins anymore in India on: April 05, 2018, 03:45:01 PM
This is a recent news coming that Reserve bank of India (central bank) bans regulated entities from dealing in virtual currencies. I don't think this is anything surprising but still, I want to alert everyone not to lose faith.

* Bitcoin: Your bank will not allow you to buy bitcoins anymore.

Please don't get panic, be your own bank! Have patience.
It is not a big issue in crypto market because Bitcoin is not easily banned in India because know only I saw the article it is just warning the Bitcoin traders. The Indian big whales are buying more bitcoin but they don't produce the pan ID so Zetpay is create the alarm automatically Indian government is warned in Bitcoin traders but it is simple issue in crypto platform some media is create the big issue because they need TRP rating.

This time, it doesn't look like media FUD or warning. It’s official, Indian banks wouldn't be dealing with cryptocurrencies.

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Reserve Bank has repeatedly cautioned users, holders and traders of virtual currencies, including Bitcoins, regarding various risks associated in dealing with such virtual currencies. In view of the associated risks, it has been decided that, with immediate effect, entities regulated by RBI shall not deal with or provide services to any individual or business entities dealing with or settling VCs. Regulated entities which already provide such services shall exit the relationship within a specified time. A circular in this regard is being issued separately.

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We have decided to ring-fence the RBI regulated entities from the risk of dealing with entities associated with virtual currencies. They are required to stop having a business relationship with the entities dealing with virtual currencies forthwith and unwind the existing relationship within a period of three months, BP Kanungo, Deputy Governor, RBI said.

The specified time period is three months. It's not clear what services these banks would be providing, not likely purchases, but withdrawals. Taking banks out of the equation, leaves Bitcoin users with a few limited options, but guess that's more than enough. This isn't going to stop Bitcoin users from finding ways to trade. The Digital India initiative was growing with cryptocurrencies, but no, the government doesn't want digitalization without them having control. Let them launch their own centralized cryptocurrency by taking an anti-crypto stand.

https://www.rbi.org.in/scripts/BS_PressReleaseDisplay.aspx?prid=43574
214  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The believe that because of Bitcoin limited supply the price will rise is a myth on: April 05, 2018, 12:01:51 PM
Throughout all your posts, you have been quite repetitive about the term "tangible" Grin There is utility/scarcity, medium of exchange/store of value. Not just limited supply, decentralized digital scarcity, yeah intangible. Now basic economics, anything that is both useful and scare tend to have value, not a myth. Does Bitcoin's utility have satisfying power? Yeah, again not just any medium of exchange, a peer-to-peer censorship-resistant payment network. Now spending enormous amounts of money, add utility + scarcity, you would have a decentralized medium of exchange that retains purchasing power. A few altcoins does have real utility and can be a good medium of exchange, but do lack decentralized digital scarcity and in that sense Bitcoin is far ahead and assuming Bitcoin becomes a more efficient payment network with very low fees then there is no reason to believe why utility/scarcity driven demand wouldn't lead to price increase.

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In comparison to a potato, Bitcoin is not even a physical tangible good that can be used for satisfying human wants or needs.

Potato – tangible – Satisfying human needs.

Bitcoin – intangible – Satisfying human needs.

Guess your definition of human wants is a bit messed up, not necessarily tangible, and terms like decentralization, peer-to-peer, censorship-resistant, privacy, economic freedom does include in human wants.
215  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Cost of getting a coin listed on: April 05, 2018, 07:07:12 AM
John McAfee recently revealed that he charges $105,000 per promotional tweet, cryptocurrency exchanges charging anywhere between $1 to 3 million to list tokens seems like a discount. Liquidity is crucial for a token's success and some exchanges are simply capitalizing on it, there is money to be made and they are making it. Even if a token has no real utility, getting listed on a prominent exchange with a big liquidity pool somewhat makes the project successful even though the demand is artificial. Spending to get a token listed on exchanges is an integral part of ICO marketing, but yeah this amount does seem a bit unfair for ICO projects with real utility, apart from listing fees exchanges do also rake in transaction and withdrawal fees. Comparison, IPO/traditional equity exchanges, $125-300K, interesting.

Major exchanges have specific guidelines for adding new tokens, and a few doesn't charge anything, only legitimacy, long-term potential matters, but yeah then there are exchanges that would add any coin because they are getting paid for it. I guess, decentralized exchanges and more projects like Cobinhood would eventually balance out the power between exchanges and crypto projects.

Here's the link, https://next.autonomous.com/thoughts/crypto-exchange-listing-fees
216  Economy / Economics / Re: Handing your Happiness to Mr. Crypto Market on: April 02, 2018, 11:23:00 AM
1. If you're getting deeply affected by price then you're handing your happiness directly to the market, precisely linked to price.

2. You can decline Mr. Market's offer or ignore it, don’t have to check the price multiple times a day since he will soon come back with an entirely different offer.

3. You can stop caring about the price, and focus on the ideas behind crypto more.
Totally agreed with this article since our happiness directly link everytime with the price, you become happy when the price rise and sad when it fall. However the solution offer was to biased, you can't just ignore the price or even telling people not to check the price multiple times a day because it serves nothing. My solution is to offer a purpose in a trading or any investment, get a plan A, plan B or even plan C. If something going out of your prediction then you can still have other solution for countermeasure rather than hoping god raise the price for you.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

If you're into Bitcoin/crypto for the long-haul then you can simply ignore short-term price movements. Yeah, obviously if you're a trader/speculator then checking price every other minute does make sense. I guess psychologically, if an investor is obsessed with price movements then there could be a few reasons, but one of the major reasons is fear.

1. The investor is new to crypto market, isn’t prepared to handle volatility.

2. The investor has invested more than he can afford to lose.

Checking prices multiple times a day isn't an issue until it triggers an emotional reaction and one acts upon it and ends up doing something that wasn't part of the initial investment strategy.

God Huh
217  Economy / Economics / Handing your Happiness to Mr. Crypto Market on: April 02, 2018, 07:04:22 AM
Prices falling – Signs of desperation – Emotional response – Reacting to predictions/Confirmation bias – Getting influenced by Mr. Crypto Market – Handing your happiness to Mr. Crypto Market.

Mr. Market, I guess most of us have heard about this hypothetical investor introduced by Benjamin Graham in his 1949 book "The Intelligent Investor". An investor who doesn't look at the big picture, fundamentals, long-term potential, but values the market according to his emotional responses, panic, euphoria and apathy. This is quite a common scenario in the nascent crypto market, prices going down, newbie investors getting deeply affected, emotions triggered, panic selling. The Mr. Market analogy is about a long term buy-and-hold strategy, crypto users preferred strategy, not saying it's the best, but obviously far better than emotionally reacting to market conditions.

1. If you're getting deeply affected by price then you're handing your happiness directly to the market, precisely linked to price.

2. You can decline Mr. Market's offer or ignore it, don’t have to check the price multiple times a day since he will soon come back with an entirely different offer.

3. You can stop caring about the price, and focus on the ideas behind crypto more.

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He [Ben Graham] said that you should imagine market quotations as coming from a remarkably accommodating fellow named Mr. Market who is your partner in a private business. Without fail, Mr. Market appears daily and names a price at which he will either buy your interest or sell you his.

Even though the business that the two of you own may have economic characteristics that are stable, Mr. Market’s quotations will be anything but. For, sad to say, the poor fellow has incurable emotional problems. At times he feels euphoric and can see only the favorable factors affecting the business. When in that mood, he names a very high buy-sell price because he fears that you will snap up his interest and rob him of imminent gains. At other times he is depressed and can see nothing but trouble ahead for both the business and the world. On these occasions he will name a very low price, since he is terrified that you will unload your interest on him.

Mr. Market has another endearing characteristic: He doesn’t mind being ignored. If his quotation is uninteresting to you today, he will be back with a new one tomorrow. Transactions are strictly at your option. Under these conditions, the more manic-depressive his behavior, the better for you.

But, like Cinderella at the ball, you must heed one warning or everything will turn into pumpkins and mice: Mr. Market is there to serve you, not to guide you. It is his pocketbook, not his wisdom, that you will find useful. If he shows up some day in a particularly foolish mood, you are free to either ignore him or to take advantage of him, but it will be disastrous if you fall under his influence.

Anyone, or anything, bringing a present to the doorstep of your consciousness does not have to be accepted inside. They can be dealt with on the periphery, leaving the inner walls of your consciousness, and thereby happiness, untouched.

Not accepting a present at your experiential doorstep doesn’t mean you can bury your head in the sand, pretending that crypto isn’t now down 70% and you’re half as “rich” as you were at the start of the year.

But instead that you have a choice about how to handle and interpret this present that Mr. (Crypto) Market is bringing you. Maybe it even allows you to stop caring about the price, and focus on the ideas behind crypto more.
I’ve found the ideas in crypto are always up and to the right.

If instead the present trashes the inner walls of your consciousness, then you are handing your happiness directly to the market, one of the most mercurial beasts alive. And in my opinion, missing the more important points— our mission to decentralize data, wealth and power.

Remember too, you can ignore Mr. Market. As Buffett writes, “He doesn’t mind being ignored. If his quotation is uninteresting to you today, he will be back with a new one tomorrow. Transactions are strictly at your option...Mr. Market is there to serve you, not to guide you.” There is nothing that compels you to check the market every day, or multiple times a day, or multiple times an hour.

In the coming years we’ll see a new all time high beyond what January 2018 represented. For me, this is not a matter of if, but of when.

But trying to predict when, or craving for when, is a recipe for suffering in crypto. So don’t get attached to the timing of the prediction, or the prediction at all :-) Meanwhile, do your best to sit in the roller coaster with equanimity.

A simple article on behavioral economics/psychology and guess a bit of spirituality as well, interesting read.

https://medium.com/@cburniske/handing-your-happiness-to-mr-crypto-market-d655da3927c2
218  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Yobit Withdrawal on: March 31, 2018, 10:18:56 AM
It looks like YoBit haven't upgraded their Gamecredits wallet. They have the worst support in the whole crypto ecosystem so I guess the only thing that can be done is to wait and hope that they will upgrade their wallet soon and you will possibly be able to withdraw your coins again.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GameCreditsCrypto

https://www.cryptocompare.com/exchanges/yobit/reviews/USD
219  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: (2nd ? for today) Coinpot: How to change my wallet ID? on: March 31, 2018, 09:24:28 AM
If you mean wallet address by wallet ID then go to "Find your wallet address", enter new address, link new address, enter your Coinpot email id, verify your new address by signing a message, and this address will be linked to your Coinpot account.
220  Economy / Economics / Re: government and crypto collide on: March 30, 2018, 11:56:27 AM

I think it will be tight for other developers who wants to create new token or coins if every country decide to create their own crypto.  This will definitely open a way to establish blockchain technology era but will kill the decentralized idea of it.  Government will definitely oppose any crypto that is not regulated by the government and might end the era of decentralized crypto.

Many countries are moving towards a cashless economy, this started before Bitcoin was created, electronic payment systems and then Bitcoin/Blockchain happened. As the Blockchain ecosystem is evolving, more governments are studying it and a few think that Blockchain technology could be used to create a new digital financial system which would be more efficient and cheaper than the existing one. If I exaggerate, for governments Blockchain technology might be a catalyst to push their cashless society agenda, centralized cryptocurrencies.

With Bitcoin, not only Blockchain happened, but also the idea that decentralized money without governments can exist. Decentralized, security, privacy, trustless. With centralized cryptocurrencies, it would be the exact opposite. Two different terms, technology adoption and technology acceptance, might sound similar, but different. I guess most of the crypto users have adopted, not merely accepted Bitcoin/cryptos/Blockchain for the very reason, decentralized. If governments issue their own Blockchain-based cryptocurrencies, it would be accepted, might even be enforced to adopt. A whole new decentralized ecosystem is evolving, opposition from governments wouldn't simply end it.
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