Wow, what did I miss?
the easter bunny Isn't easter when something rises from the dead? you're an idiot easter is when the bunny come and gives everyone chocolate diabeetus >:3 FTFY |
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to the moon!
Only if by moon you mean "almost where we were a month ago, but not quite."  |
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Dang, bitcoiners, you wilding!  |
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1.2m$ forum software which cant handle the forgot password option ... seems about right... at least you get a cake on your birthday  This current SMF software hasn't been paid 1.2 million dollars , maybe you wanted to say the new forum software. Ah, my bad. I thought it has already been updated to the new one. Well, i think this current one aint cheap as well. >1.2 million dollars Lol, try $2.3 million US thus far. >this current one aint cheap It's free. And also 6 years out of date. Here's the most recent version http://download.simplemachines.org Which is also free  |
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It is on the p2p level but not in the ISP level.
That internet killswitch can easily be implemented if big corporations buy up all smaller ISP's.
>can >if Too late, brah.. If you only knew how bad things really are...   Saurian Internet Lizards. Stop them before it's too late! |
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... I am a voice crying in the wilderness ...
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees... |
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... and look a look at how it's grown, especially in the past couple of years. I think it's safe to say the site income has grown exponentially in the past couple of years along with the influx of new users, and the increased popularity of bitcoin in general.
Lol, where are you getting this? Because every metric suggests otherwise, as in down ~50% over the past 2 years. ... Potential revenue per month:
$ 113,400 / month ...
And Thermos pulls in ~14 BTC, and spends ~20 BTC on teh all-pro moderation. In the red. Over $115k short of projected potential. Suboptimal  |
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So you do believe that raising the price is a form of censorship?
Artificially raising it to some high value would be. The market/people are in control of this now though. In that case, I demand my tropical island, it's my natural right to haz it. How dare they sensorship me from buying it for a dollar? P.S. What do you mean by "diversity of nodes," and how does this diversity make the network less susceptible to DoS attacks?
Here's an example. Let's say that we have two networks and each has only 1000 nodes. Network A has 300 nodes on datacenter 1 and 700 on datacenter 2. Network B has 10 nodes per datacenter. To completely halt network A operations you would have to either DDoS only 2 datacenters, or find other means of shutting them down. To cause the same effect on network B you'd have to invest 50x more effort to do so (exact numbers depend on things such as the DDoS protection). Thanks for explaining that to me so clearly, I understand now. You have absolutely no idea how the internet works & how DoS attacks work, in particular. Wanna lrn? You can't DoS a data center, because that's impossible. You DoS an IP address. Each node has its own IP, regardless of whether they live in the same rack or 10,000 miles apart. On the other hand, most residential internet contracts [and certainly the shit-tier DSL crap which you're concerned about sensorshipping] expressly *prohibit hosting a service,* so those nodes could be taken down *with a phone call to the provider/at the first sign of increased bandwidth use.* So now you know. See how we can resolve our differences, simply by sharing interweb infos that most 10-yr-olds know nowadays? |
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Dat volume tho...  |
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Around 20btc a month goes to the staff though so take that into consideration.
So 20BTC/mo + server costs. But some super lucrative assets, too: -$2.5 million invested in new forum software, which will be finished sometime last year. -A friendly, cohesive community of  * So, say ...what, like, $75 million US? *lol |
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Site still down I drop by there from time to time for a giggle, Google told me to check out this thread. |
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Also, no computers at all and no internet.. in this case I don't see it happening, even theoretically speaking.
There is no Bitcoin without the internet. < snip > Untrue. Here's a practical analog p2p network implementation, as conceived by Alphonso Tourette in 1869.  While Tourette's work was far ahead of its time and the scheme failed to take hold [he was consequently arrested], many modern inventions such as the telephone operator & MLM would be impossible without his seminal contribution to distributed system architecture. |
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TL;DR: Nodes have been DoSed before, attacker gains nothing by it; at worst slows down tx confirms & gets bored.
Wrong. Nodes have been under attacks before, but the network remains functional because of the number and diversity of nodes. If you heavily reduce the number of nodes and concentrate them, then taking out the whole network for some time becomes a possibility. So. Higher price of running nodes is a form of censorship. But ...higher tx fees... are not  According to Classic you could get your own node for $10 a month, and probably less if you set-up one at home (e.g. costs like the internet are already paid for). Adam was talking about $10k yearly per node, so we are talking about a 100x increase in cost. Currently, let's say that the TX fee is around 10 cents (arbitrary due to example). A 100x increase would bring us to a fee of $10. This will never happen as there won't be a reason to use Bitcoin by then. Additionally, it is worth noting that the users/market decides on the fees. So you do believe that raising the price is a form of censorship? From your [rather ...unconventional] definition, we reasonably infer that: 1. obsoleting zero-fee transactions (increasing the cost of transacting by ∞% (infinite percent) is the worst kind sensor ship, making the hundredfold price increase of running a node [sounds absolutely ridiculous, link pls?] seem paltry in comparison. Especially when one considers that being unable to run a full node hardly impairs one's ability to use Bitcoin, while inability to afford tx fees makes it impossible 2. Free market price discovery is a sensorship; it is unethical for a business to raise prices; if I can't afford to buy a tropical island, I'm being sensorshipped & therefore oppressed, which s wrong because infringes on my natural rights as a sovereign city-zen. P.S. What do you mean by "diversity of nodes," and how does this diversity make the network less susceptible to DoS attacks? |
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Did such a thing ever happen before? What would happen to Bitcoin if it did?
Nodes are occasionally under DDoS. Care to share some studies/numbers/costs?
I don't think there are one. There are too many possible variables that need to be accounted for and even then the estimation would be bad. What would such a DoS attack mean to the Bitcoin network?
Well, if a DDoS attack takes down everything then you're left without nodes and without them you have no network. TL;DR: Nodes have been DoSed before, attacker gains nothing by it; at worst slows down tx confirms & gets bored. WTF does that mean? Another made-up word like "antifragile"?
Strange question. What is Bitcoin to you? As soon as you kick out individuals by doing various actions (e.g. expontentially increase costs) you are essentially 'censoring' their usage of Bitcoin. So. Higher price of running nodes is a form of censorship. But ...higher tx fees... are not Would rising BTC price be a sensorship too? Would tanking BTC maximize muh freedoms? Help me understand this shipping shit. |
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glad to see your onboard for segwit.
How about you roll a blunt or open a bottle of wine and chill a bit, you're not helping yourself getting all excited and drinking the bitco.in kool aid. Really, stay away from that place it's full of scammers and liars. What do you mean? frapdoc is totally legit! *cough* Hashfast *cough* Friend, just in case you're young & naive: Nnothing and no one here "is totally legit." Welcome to Bitcoin. What are you suggesting? That we should ignore the fact that people like frapdoc and jl777 pulled massive scams on the bitcoin community? If you're suggesting that everyone in the community has done so.... well, I disagree. No, not suggesting that everyone has. Many have, more have tried & failed (because not smart enough to steal even from their fellow intrepid entrepreneurs -- the other bitcoin enthusiasts). And pretty much the rest are just grist for the mill -- victims, degenerate gamblers, those who prey on degenerate gamblers. And those who eke out a living by promoting illegal dice sites [that prey on degenerate gamblers] in their signatures, and those who post that for the Nth time they're "all in" because moon and CCMF, etc., etc... Have I missed anyone? I'm sure I have. BTW, I tried warning "the community" about Cypher & HashFast. "The community" thought it knew better & called me a FUDster and ...even worse  So zero compassion @adam re. "kinda sounds like he got sucked into promoting Hashfast and Hashfast never delivered?" Lol no, he knew exactly what he was doing. Don't assume that just because Core supporters are douches, Classic supporters are saints. |
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Can anyone inform me why Classic followers are racist to the chinese people? I am very sure that if this miner was white people from Usa or Zurich they will have not problem at all.
not sure, but I've heard some homophobic statements coming from that direction also ... think they said Core devs are gay or something, who knows they might be right but is there anything wrong with that? Core devs were called faggots,and you thought that was ...not a compliment? Pretty twisted, brah. |
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... There will never be consensus. There will always be fighting and trolling. You'd better get used to it because this is the future of bitcoin. ...
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Sheep will always need a leader, but at least we should choose the right ones this time.
... You'd think so, but you'd be wrong. Bitcoiners are a special sort of sheep -- sheep who, much like yourself, don't think of themselves as sheep. Bitcoiners are anti-authoritarian, wild, angsty, edgy, rebellious sheep! Sheep who identify with lions, think that if it wasn't for their shepherd, they themselves would be lions. These sheep will not be led |
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This is not about restricting nodes to any particular subset of society but achieving robustness through diversity ...
Diversity?  ... You fail to realize that this would result in a very low number of nodes which makes the network more susceptible to a DDoS attack (anything can be crashed with one).
... Did such a thing ever happen before? What would happen to Bitcoin if it did? Care to share some studies/numbers/costs? What would such a DoS attack mean to the Bitcoin network? >Bitcoin would ... lose its censorship resistance. WTF does that mean? Another made-up word like "antifragile"? |
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so much for quiting bitcointalk.org
i just love the controversy too much!
I didn't believe you'd really leave. You can't really trust that other forum anyway. It's run by cypherdoc. If you're not getting deleted/banned, what is it you feel requires trust? I never had a post deleted there, have you? Trust is needed only when a forum takes on the burden of censorship; only then does stuff like trust & impartiality come into play. ... Not even that, but literally everything there is anti-core, anti-blockstream.
Gets annoying/repetitive after a while.
It does, but consider how the users ended up on that forum. People joined bitcointalk because they were interested in Bitcoin. They joined bitco.in/forum because they were censored, or booted from, bitcointalk. Mostly due to their support of [that which must be unspoken]. Forums are businesses. They make money when they get large enough to charge for advertising and sponsorships. Would you use a totally uncensored forum owned by pirate@40, Josh Zerlan, or Mark Karpeles? Probably not because you wouldn't want to help them make any more money. It's more of a principal than a direct threat to the membership. Although, it would be possible for a forum operator to sell email address lists, passwords, contact info and make money that way. When you use a forum you need to trust the person running it unless you can register totally anonymous which I did here long ago. Sure, I used a throw away fake email to register over there but how many other people actually did that too? >Forums are businesses. Well see, that's a part of it. Thermos has collected *donations* to run this forum, and, once BTC appreciated & those donations became, roughly, $2.5 million US, he either laundered them through some shell co. going by Slackage or Slickage, or is irredeemably stupid. As in thinking that writing forum software from scratch is a really good idea. And that sending $100,000 a month to a d00d going by Wangbus, without a noncompletion clause or even a fucking contract, is the smartest way of going about it & would result in anything but what it fucking DID result in: No working forum software & running a version of SMF 7 years out of date. So. Businesses don't typically ask for donations and then proceed to snag them, or, at best, piss them away. Now where were we? |
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