0.2$/GH was cost for batch 1. Following batches are much less. All your calculations are way off.  |
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any company worth their salt, and as TAT plainly states, FC et. al are millionaires; so any reputable business people that operate a company that generates millions in revenue wouldn't hesitate to spend 50,000$ on documents, lawyers, and independent reviews that plainly show whatever you claim.
but we're talking about people who operate in a country that is notorious and rife with fraud in business dealings.
I just waited for that last pathetic card to be played. Game over. Go try better elsewhere. |
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I knew something was fishy when TAT let go of the PT management because he kept the Neo&Bee PT on havelock. It made no sense to me. Whatever you want to believe about TAT and Neo&Bee is fine, but he left several but kept one on havelock. If it was about havelock wanting more control, that is incongruous with TAT leaving AM but keeping NB. The timing was horrific and just reeked of someone either being pushed out or just wanting to wash their hands of an impending shit storm.
Then when we got word that the chips didn't quite spec out as well as anticipated, but we still saw 2 huge IPOs of former AM chinese shareholders still get pushed through to the public. That shouldve been the biggest red flag.
Everything that TAT insinuates in that chat long aligns with the narrative that AM is going to be bled out by rockminer, xtbec, and any other franchised buyer of those chips.
It now just reeks of horrible collusion against every AM shareholder that has not been privy to the rockminer et al. sales and company structure.
come on man, did you give TaT a BJ to know all this? i red all the logs from MP's IRC channel and although they view AM cynically (like everything else in bitcoinland), they nonetheless give FC some credit. anyho feel free to short and leave. *snip instead, "nothing is wrong" was kept shoved down everyone's throat for the past 3 months. When i can count at least 10-20 posts in that time frame that raised concerns about fiat/btc conversion in light of chinese regulation and changing legal landscape, but they kept saying that nothing was wrong. so AM just drops a bomb on the day after dividends are supposed to arrive that theyve been having the exact problems that people thought they would have 3 months ago. Yes, in fact nothing IS wrong. Books are looking brilliant. Not even fiat conversions are an issue. Keep trying... |
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now buy buy buy!
and hodl,
yesterday was a good day for trading, 0.12 bottom.
now 0.24 with potential to 0.3-0.4 in few days
still great profit opportunity
i hope friedcat will launch some immersion cointainers with own pcb design, a lot of money was dumped into those tanks and installations, i am sure that it will be used or sold in next few weeks.
To people who sold their shares at a loss due to panic, you can thank people this person and people like him who spread FUD. finally, fresh perspective
it looks like scam now
and some of you, circlejerks and bagholders think over it again.
no divs, but sales and mining were done
no posting either
"we are all fucked over again", in bfl style (failed gen2, overpromised gen3, no communication and "subject to change")
sad.
Yep. I have that donkey on ignore from the moment he showed up here anyway. But I have to say kudos to him. He took well advantage of all the idiots who cannot read a balance sheet. |
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TAT never had a position. He had it because of the Passthrough management and he was forced out of it when Havelock took over. Now his personal opinion is one thing but he definitely doesn't have super secret conspiracy type information to base his opinion on.
Not sure where I led you to believe a conspiracy was involved. Havelock dealings are a black box to me, so I'm uncertain how you came to the conclusion that TAT was "forced out." But no conspiracy beyond the usual opaqueness needs to take place. TaT was not forced out, he just had enough dealing with the Havelock passing through AM's biz. Moving on you know.. Yet i bet he still have some personal stake in AM. He did not have enough dealing with the HL PTs to not introduce the NEOBEE PT though...  |
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Been waiting months now for a direct->havelock share transfer.
They haven't appeared in my havelock account but at the same time I can't confirm they're not my direct shares anymore as we haven't had a dividend since I requested it.
Guess I'll find out tomorrow what the situation is, if the dividend doesn't appear in either place then I have some shouting to do.
fc confirms all share transfers, and the shares should then appear in your havelock account (although I did not receive a separate notification from havelock for this the last time). None of my transfers took more than a week. I believe sth. went wrong with your transfer.  |
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yea, just sharing my .xls file with exact weekly prices from havelock and stamp.. needed to do it properly by myself, no offense JonnyBitc0in -> http://sharesend.com/grfu6ryf edit: plus, here are my divs calcs :  depending if the next due divs correspond only to batch1-april, we should get about 0,023 BTC by the end of this month. but it can also take into account batch2-may, and we would then have >0,1 BTC for sure!  Very nice work. Thx a lot. After this post I thought you had gone insane. with current btc price, breaking AM/USD ATH would be @1BTC/share first time i'm even hoping for btc price to drop a little bit further... so i guess this summer will be all about timing..  But you prove you had not. |
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Amazing how the price manipulation works on havelock. Even more amazing how stupid people are (assuming it is not the manipulator(s) selling to themselves): 1. because of the slippage on these low volumes. 2. because the shareprice will inevitably rise very soon (as soon as friedcat farts or eventually pays the next dividend). So I guess there will be quite a few facepalms. |
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My point is that it is largely irrelevant at this point from the point of view of AM: AM appears to have collected payments for the chips already, and so the buyers of the chips are the ones taking the risk.
Anyway, my calculations show that this hardware will produce a (significant) positive return, and where there is positive return I believe there will be buyers!
Having chips but not mounted on boards and either deployed or sold means that 0 hashrate will go online. What are the buyers of the chips doing with the chips if nobody is buying them? Start deploying their massive farms? Your argumentation has become pathetic. |
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It might be a preproduction with a couple chips only. Its cheaper than producing a full production mask and you can check if the design works. The tape-out has to be done now if thats the case.
For clarity... If the sample run is complete and the chips were tested and found to work, then by definition the tape-out happened weeks ago. "The tape-out has to be done now if thats the case" in this context means that it has to have already been done. Not that it's now time to do the tape-out. Sorry, was just confusing when I read your reply. I often mix things in the area and i thought tape-out is meant only when you created the final production masks. If you build sample chips you wont have a mask useful enough to run the mass production of wafers. And since those full masks are the thing that costs millions its better to make some samples first. Its cheaper, you only get a couple of asics and you can test if the design will work. But i think its correct that the production of sample chips meet the definition of tape-out too. I guess it has to be described more in detail to know exactly what was meant. Your post again makes no sense at all. Why don't you keep quiet if you are clueless?! |
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I am with you regarding the lack of a dedicated PR person, but how can you still be that ignorant?!
Exactly that had been promised over and over again.
And that IS sentiment in this thread. But YOU are trying to unnecessarily turn it down again.
It had been raised over and over again. And we will bring it up again and again until it is resolved.
Where is the PR person?
Doesn't exist, you already knew that but you keep bringing it up and it was not in the prospectus you want to adhere to so why do you expect there to be a PR person. If Friedcat wants to add one thats his own decision to make, and I for one don't see any need for it. Why do we need one other than to hold some shareholders hands. He does a fine job posting updates when needed and I would rather have updates directly from friedcat than from some middle PR person who sugar coats everything. You have proven to be clueless many times. Please shut up. Read the commitments of AM and just be quiet, please. |
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I am with you regarding the lack of a dedicated PR person, but how can you still be that ignorant?!
Exactly that had been promised over and over again.
And that IS sentiment in this thread. But YOU are trying to unnecessarily turn it down again.
It had been raised over and over again. And we will bring it up again and again until it is resolved.
Where is the PR person?
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I have tried to elaborate my point to ignorant fanboys like you over and over again. I will rest my case. You will never get it, pathetic lemming.
Good luck with your 5 shares. Adults are discussing here.
For a self proclaimed "adult" you really need to grow up. Everyone here seems to be discussing gen3 and nobody else seems to be panicked about the skipped single block dividend. The rest of us are looking forward to 50 block dividends when gen3 is finally brought online. Ignorance at its best. Are you really that stupid? I will explain it to you in very slooow words. No, I make it even veeeeryyy sloooooow for you: Nobody is panicking. I am holding AM. -- Everybody serious please stop here! -- Whatever you mean with 50 block dividends... 50 BTC per "Block". Is that like the block of your house? Ah, I got it, you mean Jenny from the block! Mind sparing us from your bullshit, fucktard? EDIT: I realized it might still not be clear for you. There is a commitment to pay a weekly dividend. If that doesn't happen for whatever reason - NO BIG DEAL. Just communicate why, and all is good. I might ask my 12 yo son to elaborate so even you, jimmothy, will understand. I posted the same concern as you, but in a more civil and educated way. It is ironical that you are patronizing everyone here putting yourself in some kind of higher moral pedestal, when you are actually behaving in the most immature way possible. It is ironical that you consider my post to be patronizing everybody here. From your recent posts I would have also put you far from believing that I take myself as some kind of higher "pedestral". Apologies if I was not able to send that idiot jimmothy to where he belongs as I could have in my native language. |
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I have tried to elaborate my point to ignorant fanboys like you over and over again. I will rest my case. You will never get it, pathetic lemming.
Good luck with your 5 shares. Adults are discussing here.
For a self proclaimed "adult" you really need to grow up. Everyone here seems to be discussing gen3 and nobody else seems to be panicked about the skipped single block dividend. The rest of us are looking forward to 50 block dividends when gen3 is finally brought online. Ignorance at its best. Are you really that stupid? I will explain it to you in very slooow words. No, I make it even veeeeryyy sloooooow for you: Nobody is panicking. I am holding AM. -- Everybody serious please stop here! -- Whatever you mean with 50 block dividends... 50 BTC per "Block". Is that like the block of your house? Ah, I got it, you mean Jenny from the block! Mind sparing us from your bullshit, fucktard? EDIT: I realized it might still not be clear for you. There is a commitment to pay a weekly dividend. If that doesn't happen for whatever reason - NO BIG DEAL. Just communicate why, and all is good. I might ask my 12 yo son to elaborate so even you, jimmothy, will understand. |
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Funny that such bs was exactly the reply I had expected. Can you read or even think?!
What exactly do you want? Do you want a board member to bug FC to stop everything he is doing and manually transfer shares and pay out divs? Do you honestly care that much? I have tried to elaborate my point to ignorant fanboys like you over and over again. I will rest my case. You will never get it, pathetic lemming. Good luck with your 5 shares. Adults are discussing here. |
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Where is the last dividend? Why was it not paid? Just explain in one sentence! No pob!
In one sentence: He is busy doing important shit. Funny that such bs was exactly the reply I had expected. Can you read or even think?! |
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Can you please stop this fanboy shit?!
The commitment to pay weekly dividends is more than clear. It was defaulted w/o any announcement why etc.
That default would have been no problem at all if there had been a disclaimer like: -- nope, I will not explain it to you herd-following idiots again. --
I am really damn happy about the news from friedcat - as I have a bit more than your Mommy's granted pocketmoney in here.
You idiots can throw your few pocketmoney cents wherever you want, and Mommy won't know about it (she'd be happy it is not on dope).
Fact is that ASICMINER once again gave a shit about their investors (other than boardmembers). Where is the last dividend? Why was it not paid? Just explain in one sentence! No prob!
I do understand that you are all like "Hoorray, here we go to the moon with Gen3!" But if you give away your well deserved rights, you might end up with nothing.
Please grow up.
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Bitcointalk.org
Less crashing, less slippage, been there longer. More scammmers though.
Never heard of an exchange called bitcointalk.org. Must be stupid me though... |
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Time to buy your cheap shares.
Time for someone to set up a passthrough on an exchange that works. True. But which one? |
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