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201  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My $11k bitcoin odyssey on: July 17, 2014, 02:23:14 PM
I honestly get where you're coming from. There is always that slight sting of missing out on amazing chances; but all we can do, is move past it. It's not like we all have clairvoyance right? And if we did, these sort of chances would never happen.

I've also missed a whole bunch of chances in the past (both with bitcoins and with altcoins). Now I just bide my time and let things come as they may. After all, there are much more worse things that can be lost other than an opportunity.

This is why im not going to miss the ethereum bus! I will buy some ether.
It's fair that you want to catch another bus. I on the other hand, am not entirely convinced that's a bus worth getting on. But we'll see what happens. That's the beauty of this type of hectic and fast-flowing market, you never know where you'll end up until you're there.
202  Economy / Speculation / Re: Something of notice on: July 17, 2014, 04:04:05 AM
Although there was significant amount of trading from the east, I'd venture to say that's not the only factor. Price dynamics are rarely only predicated on time factors from one segment. Chinese markets are definitely one key to it though. But I also think action driven during "down" times are also another significant factor.
203  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Groceries PLEASE!!! on: July 17, 2014, 04:00:27 AM
I feel like some sort of transactor for smaller grocery stores and convenient stores (like the mom and pop sort of thing) that can deal in bitcoin would be highly beneficial in this arena. I feel like the amount of penetration that could be gotten in that market is quite substantial. I feel that going with the larger grocery chains would be a disadvantageous in the short to medium term at the moment.
204  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Some nights I think about this, and I just wanna cry. (How i missed the bus) on: July 17, 2014, 02:27:50 AM
Interesting story. Should've just gone for it right? I mean there have been quite a few stories of people using equipment that weren't their own for mining.

But then again, most of those incidents happened in a school or something. A job is a completely different beast.
205  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin and spending habits on: July 17, 2014, 02:05:21 AM
That's a pretty solid way to approach things.

I don't do a 50% plan (because that's well out of my reach), but whatever spending cash I have at the beginning of the month, 25% automatically gets converted. And I carry over the on-hand from the previous month in my calculation. So it's a pretty nifty way. At the minimum, I convert 25% of what I am able to spend. It does make saving up for larger purchases trickier, but it helps me get into the mindset that I need to be in.
206  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 99,9% ARE SHITCOINS - so don't waste your time or money on: July 17, 2014, 01:55:59 AM
I think that having so many alt coins may make it difficult to discover the actual good ones for someone that is new and just started with this.
Of course there are ranking websites that can help but so many pump and dumps...

Sure there may be sites that arbitrarily provide that information. But honestly, it doesn't help all too much since someone could just make a coin that avoids the negative points and still manage to be a pump and dump. If there is a bright side to all of this, is that it forces people to do their due diligence when learning about this scene.
207  Economy / Speculation / Re: google trends is showing increased interest on: July 16, 2014, 10:56:07 PM
The lagging trend is quite interesting. But I think things are a little different since bitcoin has received much more significant public exposure than it has in the past. Before it was bitcoin being quite an unknown thing, now there could be a tinge of bitcoin just losing allure.

Then again, I don't necessarily take intrigue trends to correlate to prices.
208  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Help petition the Red Cross to accept BTC on: July 16, 2014, 10:49:42 PM
Although it is a worthy endeavor to have a charity accept bitcoins, the Red Cross isn't one of those charities. There are many more worthwhile charities to be focused on. Maybe this idea should be expanded to something along those lines?
209  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My $11k bitcoin odyssey on: July 16, 2014, 10:45:45 PM
I honestly get where you're coming from. There is always that slight sting of missing out on amazing chances; but all we can do, is move past it. It's not like we all have clairvoyance right? And if we did, these sort of chances would never happen.

I've also missed a whole bunch of chances in the past (both with bitcoins and with altcoins). Now I just bide my time and let things come as they may. After all, there are much more worse things that can be lost other than an opportunity.
210  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin (BTC/USD) Price Prediction. $4000-$6500 by August/September 2014. on: July 15, 2014, 02:34:21 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if it's delayed once again till next year.

Isn't there a block halving scheduled for next spring?

That should be helpful.
Last time I checked, the block propagation rate (averaging a block for every 8ish minutes) coincides with the next block halving being sometime at the end of 2015 which is a while from now.

bitcoinclock.com has it as: Reward-Drop ETA: 2016-08-11.  Is that accurate?
Thanks for posting that.

I wasn't sure if he was asking for the current rate or the exponential rate. I was recalling the calculation that was done for a rate of exponential increase over the next year (that assumed 20nm/18nm ASIC geometric technologies being taped out). I remember it concluding that if rate increase was something like e^.08t it would coincide with the end of 2015/early 2016.
211  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin (BTC/USD) Price Prediction. $4000-$6500 by August/September 2014. on: July 14, 2014, 10:41:47 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if it's delayed once again till next year.

Isn't there a block halving scheduled for next spring?

That should be helpful.
Last time I checked, the block propagation rate (averaging a block for every 8ish minutes) coincides with the next block halving being sometime at the end of 2015 which is a while from now.
212  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 99,9% ARE SHITCOINS - so don't waste your time or money on: July 14, 2014, 03:05:23 PM
so probably 10-12 legitimate ones. Probably.

Sad isn't it?

One thing that many don't seem to be considering is that probably half or more coins released now are part of a dilution attack on Bitcoin.

The only ones that can stop this avalanche now are the exchanges. Unfortunately, not listing every pump/dump coin that comes to market makes no business sense, so it won't happen.


Very much true.

The scary thing is that I don't think that it's necessarily an attack on bitcoin per se. I think it is a consequence (that they don't care about) in a effort to sate their own greed. I think exchanges would stem this problem, but they would have to work in accordances and pacts with each other; and that'd be awfully tricky to pull off.
213  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin News Sites & Dishonesty on: July 14, 2014, 02:39:15 PM
Heck, we can be fundamentally honest, virtually all of these sites, just like most of journalism suffers from some sort of inherent bias. And when money falls in line with the inherent bias, it just sweetens the pot.

We can't really do anything about cash for stories as it's what helps fund these sites to continue running (like all media outlets). Some sites are gonna try to work with others to gain exclusitivity rights and those sort of things. Frankly, the main thing we can do as readers, is to take everything we read with a grain of salt, and it if is important, corroborate the story or see what the other takes are.
214  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 99,9% ARE SHITCOINS - so don't waste your time or money on: July 14, 2014, 02:16:29 PM
Ah, I see what you did. 99.9% of 415 is 414.585. So in effect you are saying that all coins are crap. Fair enough. I'm gonna put all my money back into fiat.

Seriously, of course a majority are crappy clones; but really, what else is new? I'd say the number is closer to 99% (when you include all of the coins that don't even make it to coinmarketcap); so probably 10-12 legitimate ones. Probably.
215  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Mt. Gox CEO selling Bitcoins.com, will give some proceeds to burned investors on: July 11, 2014, 10:33:23 PM
I agree with the sentiment stated so far in this thread. Although it's a nice sentiment, the domain name won't even come close to $750K. That particular name doesn't have any marketably unique draw to it in terms of a media location. And secondly, there are already multiple locations that serve as a hub in regards to bitcoin.

[As an example point of emphasis: if someone wants to look up bitcoins, he/she will more likely input the term into a search engine than type in bitcoin.com. So what would bitcoin.com offer that is worth $750K?]

bitcoin.com is worth way over 1million usd, as is bitcoin.org. bitcoins.com probably 500-600k

If you knew anything about how the domain market works, you'd know that one word, generic, domain names are worth incredible amounts of money.

Yes, quite a few people use search engines for domain names etc. But Most people still simply type the domain name into the url bar.

Think about it this way, would you rather go on a search engine to visit a website, or simply type that websites name into the url bar? Exactly, you would do the latter(type the websites name into the url bar) because it's way easier than having to go on google everytime you want to visit the website. That's what makes one word, generic, domain domain names like bitcoin.com/bitcoins.com Extremely valuable.
That's only if a domain term is either tied to something that draws popularity in the mainstream or provide significant business incentive. I don't see the term bitcoin providing that. What would a central-term like bitcoin.com provide fundamentally in terms of business return? What would be the profitable traffic-draw of a site like bitcoin.com?

After all, comparatively, how often do people go to bitcoin.org for information on bitcoin?

I see bitcoin.com having more benefit in terms of the novelty usage rather than the traffic usage. And unfortunately, that doesn't translate to as much in terms of domain auctions.

I'm not sure if you're joking.....or....

Bitcoin.com is a generic, one word, .com, domain name. It is the name of the first and most popular cryptocurrency in the world with a marketcap of 8billion(soon to be much more), if you don't see how that domain name is worth at least $5million, you don't know how the domain industry(any industry) works. Lmao. Bitcoins.com with an s is worth less, around 500k-600k, simply because it is the plural form of bitcoin.com

For EX: Think of Bitcoin(the currency) as a company, that's worth around 8billion. The name of the company is Bitcoin, and we all know that .com domain extensions are the most popular and widely known in the entire world. Now, the domain name bitcoin.com is hugely expensive, simply because of the company behind it. If Bitcoin was not widely known, then the domain name would be worthless. But since bitcoin is widely known, has a marketcap of 8billion usd, and is getting accepted in more and more places everyday, that makes domain names with the word Bitcoin, in them, are very expensive...


Also, type Bitcoin in google, the FIRST SEARCH RESULT is bitcoin.org, so that means they get the Most traffic out of any other bitcoin related website.
Sure, whatever you say... Roll Eyes

Look, I'm a strong believer in bitcoin, but I'm fairly confident that the domain won't fetch that much. As much as I would like it to, particularly since the proceeds go to those who got burned (assuming he's being truthful), I just don't see it.

You keep saying to think of this as a company. Well, bitcoin isn't a company. Nor is it trademarked. Those would be fundamental factors in raising the price for non-novelty reasons. I've taken a good look at the aggregates that have made up the largest sales in terms of domain names recently, and to me, bitcoin doesn't fall into that particular trendline. I look at the type of names that comprise the list of largest sales and bitcoin.com seems to fall in the second quintile rather than the first quintile.

Regarding your point on traffic, since you so conveniently make that point, you should also naturally know that bitcoin.org just barely squeaks into the top 10,000 in Alexa ranking. It's strong, but not correlatively million-dollar strong. And the fact that it's the strongest bitcoin-related traffic speaks even volumes more.

It would be nice if bitcoin.com sold for a lot as it would show where bitcoin is at this moment in time, but at this point in time I don't see it.
216  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Mt. Gox CEO selling Bitcoins.com, will give some proceeds to burned investors on: July 10, 2014, 10:24:05 PM
I agree with the sentiment stated so far in this thread. Although it's a nice sentiment, the domain name won't even come close to $750K. That particular name doesn't have any marketably unique draw to it in terms of a media location. And secondly, there are already multiple locations that serve as a hub in regards to bitcoin.

[As an example point of emphasis: if someone wants to look up bitcoins, he/she will more likely input the term into a search engine than type in bitcoin.com. So what would bitcoin.com offer that is worth $750K?]

bitcoin.com is worth way over 1million usd, as is bitcoin.org. bitcoins.com probably 500-600k

If you knew anything about how the domain market works, you'd know that one word, generic, domain names are worth incredible amounts of money.

Yes, quite a few people use search engines for domain names etc. But Most people still simply type the domain name into the url bar.

Think about it this way, would you rather go on a search engine to visit a website, or simply type that websites name into the url bar? Exactly, you would do the latter(type the websites name into the url bar) because it's way easier than having to go on google everytime you want to visit the website. That's what makes one word, generic, domain domain names like bitcoin.com/bitcoins.com Extremely valuable.
That's only if a domain term is either tied to something that draws popularity in the mainstream or provide significant business incentive. I don't see the term bitcoin providing that. What would a central-term like bitcoin.com provide fundamentally in terms of business return? What would be the profitable traffic-draw of a site like bitcoin.com?

After all, comparatively, how often do people go to bitcoin.org for information on bitcoin?

I see bitcoin.com having more benefit in terms of the novelty usage rather than the traffic usage. And unfortunately, that doesn't translate to as much in terms of domain auctions.
217  Economy / Speculation / Re: The catalyst that will drive BTC over $1000 on: July 10, 2014, 10:14:30 PM
Although that'll likely have a positive affect on bitcoin, I don't see this even having a significant upward impact on the price of bitcoin. More so, I don't see this single event propping the marketcap by over $5B.

It could be a first spark in raising the price that high, but there'll have to be a whole bunch of other events in order for this to happen.

Look at what the Gold ETFs did to the price of Gold since the early 2000s. Something similar could happen to bitcoin, but even more amplified.

The difference B that gold cant be arbed and thus naked-short-squeezed nearly as easily. Also Btc hasn't an alternative optio.
I admit something similar could happen to bitcoin, but that isn’t necessarily the case per se. If there is a multitude of incoming demand for bitcoin, this would be definitely the case. With gold, one of the key fundamental underlying factors is that gold has consistently had significant demand throughout time. In general, stocks, derivatives, and precious metals/stones continuously garner sustained support. Unfortunately, in the eyes of a lot of the mainstream economy, bitcoin doesn’t.
218  Economy / Speculation / Re: The catalyst that will drive BTC over $1000 on: July 10, 2014, 04:33:23 PM
Although that'll likely have a positive affect on bitcoin, I don't see this even having a significant upward impact on the price of bitcoin. More so, I don't see this single event propping the marketcap by over $5B.

It could be a first spark in raising the price that high, but there'll have to be a whole bunch of other events in order for this to happen.
219  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Mt. Gox CEO selling Bitcoins.com, will give some proceeds to burned investors on: July 10, 2014, 04:22:53 PM
I agree with the sentiment stated so far in this thread. Although it's a nice sentiment, the domain name won't even come close to $750K. That particular name doesn't have any marketably unique draw to it in terms of a media location. And secondly, there are already multiple locations that serve as a hub in regards to bitcoin.

[As an example point of emphasis: if someone wants to look up bitcoins, he/she will more likely input the term into a search engine than type in bitcoin.com. So what would bitcoin.com offer that is worth $750K?]
220  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Very severe blow to bitcoin on: July 10, 2014, 04:16:54 PM
Of course, the OP would say it's a huge blow for bitcoin (even though it isn't). I mean, just look at his sig...

I don't see this as a huge issue for bitcoin, just for the foundation. But let's be honest, it's not like they have been doing anything particularly special in the recent months. So this might affect the lobbying effort, but nothing too much beyond that.
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