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2061  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [WTS] Diablo 3 Gold - Today's Rate: 1BTC = 200,000 Gold (10% off 1mil+ orders) on: May 29, 2012, 08:27:42 PM
silversurfer, you know what you should do? Donate to this guy http://www.athenelive.com and write a message that they should check you out, get him to start buying bitcoins and buying gold with them..
2062  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why is bitcoin now so absurdly stable when priced in USD? on: May 29, 2012, 07:35:09 PM
buyers = sellers

That's obvious, the question is why buyers = sellers for past few months.
2063  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why is bitcoin now so absurdly stable when priced in USD? on: May 29, 2012, 07:19:41 PM
My theory:

Besides the growing depth of the market I also think it's all the various tools available to speculators to make bets about the exchange rate in any possible direction. We had bitcoinca where people could hedge or go long on a margin, we have several exchanges that offer arbitrage opportunities and we're getting more and more of these services which allow game theory to fully develop and that's really what is happening IMO game theory fully playing itself out between all the players.
2064  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: List of Bitcoin Companies with Adequate Backup--Please Submit on: May 29, 2012, 06:34:04 PM
Hey Phinnaeus Gage, have you thought about contacting the http://bitcoincounsel.com/ guys and ask them if maybe they'd be willing to add a page for a security standard testimony list or something like that which could be updates once more businesses come forward in this thread?
2065  Other / Politics & Society / Re: A Way To Be Free - Robert LeFevre on: May 29, 2012, 10:21:13 AM
its not a problem with democracy that the American public are so enthusiastic about locking people up; its a problem with your society.  Change people's minds and the prison population will fall.

Riiiiiight, it's not the state, no no, people are simply "enthusiastic" about trying to resists and dying pointlessly when a gang of heavily armed men decides to throw someone in a cage.  Roll Eyes

If you vote for tough drug laws and long jail sentences, you will get exactly that.  And Americans have always voted for such laws.  In the UK, most murderers are released after about 8 years for good behaviour.  In the US, the same guys waste their lives away in jails.  That because if an American politician stands up and says "Release murderers after 8 years" he will not be re-elected.

It seems to me that you are creating this mysterious entity called "government" and trying to blame it for your own people's choices.  In a democracy, there is no dividing line between the government and the people who vote for the government.  Deal with your neighbours attitudes and then you will find that the rate of imprisonment falls.  

Look it's ok, I'm not going to argue with you, there's no point. You are a delusional true believer. You want to be a good slave, I don't. You can't possibly change my mind to not want my freedom and I know you are incapable of rational thought because for you to see the gun in the room that is the state will simply cause you way too much cognitive dissonance and you simply reject the reality and cling on to your fantasy. It's human nature.
2066  Other / Politics & Society / Re: A Way To Be Free - Robert LeFevre on: May 29, 2012, 09:59:51 AM
its not a problem with democracy that the American public are so enthusiastic about locking people up; its a problem with your society.  Change people's minds and the prison population will fall.

Riiiiiight, it's not the state, no no, people are simply "enthusiastic" about trying to resists and dying pointlessly when a gang of heavily armed men decides to throw someone in a cage.  Roll Eyes
2067  Other / Politics & Society / Re: A Way To Be Free - Robert LeFevre on: May 29, 2012, 09:56:45 AM
If you live in a state that practices genocide, expropriation, slavery and gives no protection from the bad guys, you have my sympathy.  Where is this hell hole you are from?
Can you list one that doesn't do any of those things?

All states in EU, the US, Australia...there are very few bad democratic states.  Now please do reply about which you are from.

Oh the ignorance.  Roll Eyes The US for example has the largest prison population on the planet, half of it for non violent breaking of arbitrary rules about what one can do with their body. In any of the listed states you are robbed of between 35-60% of everything you earn in a year.

Btw you make a non sequitur when you think I know or read and now support and hold as the truth everything and anything LeFevre ever wrote. I don't. But I do agree 100% with what you can find at the link in the OP. For example LeFevre believed in pacifism, I do not.

LeFevre believed there should be no state.  

I don't care what he believed, it's a non sequitur that I have to in order to 100% agree with what he wrote at the link in the OP.
2068  Other / Politics & Society / Re: A Way To Be Free - Robert LeFevre on: May 29, 2012, 09:35:49 AM
If you live in a state that practices genocide, expropriation, slavery and gives no protection from the bad guys, you have my sympathy.  Where is this hell hole you are from?
Can you list one that doesn't do any of those things?

All states in EU, the US, Australia...there are very few bad democratic states.  Now please do reply about which you are from.

Oh the ignorance.  Roll Eyes The US for example has the largest prison population on the planet, half of it for non violent breaking of arbitrary rules about what one can do with their body. In any of the listed states you are robbed of between 35-60% of everything you earn in a year. Is that what you call protection?

Btw you make a non sequitur when you think I know or read and now support and hold as the truth everything and anything LeFevre ever wrote. I don't. But I do agree 100% with what you can find at the link in the OP. For example LeFevre believed in pacifism, I do not.
2069  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Trade Bitcoin Options - BitcoinOPX.com [beta release] on: May 29, 2012, 02:01:04 AM
Ah I missed that but it makes sense. So I get my money back once the option expires, right?
2070  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Trade Bitcoin Options - BitcoinOPX.com [beta release] on: May 29, 2012, 01:51:15 AM
I placed an order for a negative quantity at a negative price.

LOL  Cheesy

Thanks, definitely a bug.

It's also possible to create a single buy to open call10 order where the price exceeds your balance. Is that also a bug?

Also, how can cancel options I created?
2071  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Trade Bitcoin Options - BitcoinOPX.com [beta release] on: May 29, 2012, 12:42:59 AM
Another thing I just noticed is that the order book only shows the price of the first (I assume) best priced contract at a certain strike price without showing how many are available. For instance I now created another 5 sell to open call10 orders at a worse price and they aren't shown in the order book.

Yes the option chain (which you refer to as the 'order book') shows the best priced offer for bid and ask. Showing how many more orders are available is not typically shown in traditional options chains. For example here:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/op?s=GOOG+Options

Don't ask me why not. We are blazing trails with Bitcoin, so maybe we should consider questioning all kinds of practices Wink

What is shown, however, is the trading volume and open interest.

Hmm that's interesting, slightly confusing but interesting. Obviously I have zero experience actually trading options on a platform so I have no idea how the pros have it setup but it's kind of weird not being able to see the depth of the offers. Also I was thinking maybe you should also give the option of making a market order, not just a limit order.
2072  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Trade Bitcoin Options - BitcoinOPX.com [beta release] on: May 28, 2012, 11:51:59 PM
That's ok, I'm sure if you could you'd do the same for me Wink

When creating options could you also give the option of how many option contracts of that type one wants to create so I don't have to create every single options contract separately.
2073  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Trade Bitcoin Options - BitcoinOPX.com [beta release] on: May 28, 2012, 11:35:54 PM
Another thing I just noticed is that the order book only shows the price of the first (I assume) best priced contract at a certain strike price without showing how many are available. For instance I now created another 5 sell to open call10 orders at a worse price and they aren't shown in the order book.

Also the event calendar is a bit distracting since it has no bearing on the market but it is a calendar and it took me a while to actually read the word "event" and stop thinking it had something to do with finding contracts on other dates, so maybe minimize it or move it something.
2074  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Trade Bitcoin Options - BitcoinOPX.com [beta release] on: May 28, 2012, 11:20:35 PM
Hmmm don't get me wrong, the site is beautiful but functionality is somewhat unintuitive. For example I don't understand what is the difference from creating an option when I click on "My account" and clicking on "Trade" and making a "Sell to open" order.

For instance I have two orders up right now, one is a 1 call 10 option which I created and was debited from my balance and another for 4 contracts of call 10 at the same strike that didn't get debited from my balance.

The order book is also a bit confusing and the manual updating is a bit annoying. It took me a while to figure out how to use it, especially why the strike price setting is important.


So yea, no bugs so far, I'm just a bit confused between the different actions I can take on the Trade page and on My account page and don't understand why these two aren't simply 1 page together with the order book.

Also you might want to rethink the placement of the reset password link to somewhere a bit more appropriate like next to my username or something.



These are my initial observations which may not carry any weight at all since I'm a noob when it comes to options trading. And another thing that I'd like to see somewhere is an indication when the market is open.
2075  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Trade Bitcoin Options - BitcoinOPX.com [beta release] on: May 28, 2012, 10:46:38 PM
Where should the tester leave feedback, here in this thread?
2076  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Trade Bitcoin Options - BitcoinOPX.com [beta release] on: May 28, 2012, 09:33:39 PM
Wow the site looks really beautiful and I commend you for your actions in the security department and wish you all the best!

I'm already trying it out and will let you know how it works.
2077  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: List of Bitcoin Companies with Adequate Backup--Please Submit on: May 28, 2012, 09:09:49 PM
And this ladies and gentlemen is how a market regulated by strictly market consumers (i.e. a free market) regulates itself. Isn't it beautiful?  Cool
2078  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-05-28 Forbes: Lex Mercatoria: The Emergence Of A Self-Regulated Bitcoin on: May 28, 2012, 08:57:20 PM
Matonis like a BOSS.

Another excellent piece!
2079  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can we still advertise the Satoshi Client for noobs? on: May 28, 2012, 08:28:07 PM
I'm sorry, you did the positive statement, you bare the burden of proof.

Since you admit it's just speculation I'd like to let you know I do not share the same view as you and will ignore yours.
2080  Other / Politics & Society / Re: A Way To Be Free - Robert LeFevre on: May 28, 2012, 07:39:44 PM
Quote
I believe I have stated the position of my adversaries fairly.  There is invariably the same oversight.  If we have a government, it will be human beings who will be hired to restrain the evil in others.  Who are these persons who will be hired, either by popularity contests or by direct application?  They will be just as human and as much disposed toward evil as those to be restrained.

That is simply untrue. It fails at 3 levels:
- Whether its Genghiz Khan or Captain John Hawkins, human history shows that if a weak society exists, a large organised society will come along and enslave it.  Having your own democratic state is preferable to that.  Ask any Afghan or Iraqi...heck ask any Palestinian or Jew what happens when you are don't have an army that can protect you.

Ask who what?  What are you referring to as a large organized society and why?    


Question is very simple; what happens when you have the misfortune to live in a society without a state to protect you from bad guys?  Whether the answer you get is genocide, expropriation, slavery or what, its unpleasant compared to being in a society where you are free behind a decent military and judicial system.


Well as I'm not an idiot or a pussy and because I value personal freedom above all else I rather take door nr. 1 and find out what the future will bring instead of door nr. 2 where I have people robbing me and forcing me to obey their rules under threat of violence so that they can protect me from maybe getting robbed or attacked by someone else.
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