Well thats kind of the thought. I think it would be preferential to allow everyone to continue doing what they are doing, and just hit the spammers harder. The problem with that is how much additional oversight it could take, which we may or may not be able to provide.

The majority of the forum rules are not black and white. They are really up to judgement by the moderator of the board. This however isn't really a problem, first because its always been this way, and second because in order for any more damage than a deleted post or two to occur, it is discussed, evidence is compiled, and appropriate actions are made by multiple parties. Mistakes are made from time to time, however with how the system is laid out, getting an unwarranted ban or worse is almost unheard of. You have to try really hard on this forum to get banned, if you haven't been warned more than a handful of times before being banned for anything other than posting malware or very obvious spamming, chances are, you aren't going to get banned if you make a bad decision and post a few things you shouldn't, you will end up with a warning.

Can moderators be an accurate judge of paid advertising spamming vs regular spamming is the question. If you are spamming because you are getting paid to, that is more severe than letting your emotions get the better of you, and spamming a few posts. If we can't tell the difference easily, then cracking down on paid advertising spammers won't work, and more drastic measures would be taken, such as not allowing paid advertising in the first place.

The goal here is to allow as much freedom as possible without letting those freedoms disrupt others.

I'm interested in purchasing one, however I'm still a bit confused about how this works. You don't actually have the units in hand?

We are currently thinking about what needs to be done, we have been discussing it since the latest influx of paid advertising spammers. The question is, do we just get more strict on spammers, or do we go as far as to disallow paid advertising, or even remove signatures.

Hopefully just having more defined rules and being more strict on spammers will be enough, however no one has come to a decision on anything, those are just ideas that are being tossed around.


When I became a Global Mod, the other Global mods were teaching me standard banhammer protocol, we used you for example hilariousandco. You were what we defined as being OK despite the huge post volume.

It probably will be tweaked as issues are found with it, but do keep in mind, the trust system was the most asked for feature for the forums. I've actually wondered how much having Tradefortress on the default trust list actually effected anything. He had like >200 Positive feedback left for him because he ran a long term successful Bitcoin business, all being on the default trust list did for him was made others trust the same people as him by default, it didn't give him a better score. Tradefortress didn't get any special power to his account directly from it. There are a lot of people on the default trust list who aren't as trustworthy as Tradefortress was statistically speaking. I'm on there because I give accurate feedback and am reasonably trustworthy, but in all honesty, Tradefortress had earned far more trust before the theft than I have. For example, if Bitpay was added to the default trust list, I don't think it would really effect people's perception of them, they are a successful business, whether they are on the default trust list or not, it would be a shock if they stole user's funds. Inputs.io is where Tradefortress got his reputation from, not from his ability to add others to the list of people who can leave "Trusted" feedback.

But, Theymos has said more than a few times the Trust system isn't perfect, so he should be completely open to ideas if you come up with any that are possible to program.

This is why when I travel I say I'm Canadian...

If it is legal in your jurisdiction you are fine to discuss it. I know that is the rule for goods/services like drugs, prostitution, etc. I'm not entirely sure about laundering and such. I know it is discussed here, but most of the time it is "hypothetical". Even if it is allowed, if you do plan on said activities you are probably best off not posting openly in the forums anything that could get you in trouble where you are at.

Sorry, you are right, I was thinking of the wrong person.

If you google the address, it brings up, "Euronext"

Yes I believe that is where he worked. I looked it up a while ago, because how the EU and the UK do its shipping layout confused me, so I wasn't sure what country he was in, and wasnt able to print out a shipping label. So I googled the address and if I recall it was some sort of business.

I'll take a PS4 if you are willing to either use escrow (which you said you were not going to) or if you would ship to me first. I'm perfectly fine with escrow, but I'm also a pretty safe bet to ship to first if you don't want to hassle with escrow.

This, if any Staff has been, or plans to be away for a while, Theymos will take away their privileges until their return. Nothing good can come of inactive staff accounts.

Administrators are the only ones with access to IPs. IPs aren't normally given out, even when we think they should be, because it can cause legal trouble for us and fundamentally we are big on privacy, however if someone files a police report against Projects, I'm sure Theymos would be happy to oblige.

I'm quite sure that Project is in the UK (Scotland) I shipped a few high value Silver/Gold packages to him, and I'd imagine he would use his real address and phone number, for when customs called and told him he had to come in and pay VAT before he could pick up the package. I had sent this information to Chainsaw already, and would be happy to give it to anyone who was scammed.

I've got a Cellphone number and address.

Have you calculated your price point per box, and shipping charges and such?

I received an antminer that I ordered from greaterninja yesterday, they are great little units, I'm sure I"ll be ordering more in the near future  

Twas already set up for me despite my obliviousness and I greatly appreciated that. Thanks.

I'm confused, Thedovahkiin909, was this a lesson to Delarock, and you do intend on returning the money? Or are you trying to give Delarock hope that you will return the money so you can make a smoother getaway.

I'd be rather impressed if you sent the Bitcoins back actually.

Sort of. You are welcome to leave "I don't like you" trust, as long as in the reason for your bad feedback rating you write, "I don't like this person" the system is designed so that not someone with 100 trust is automatically trusted, its just a way to log feedback from different sources. Before trading with anyone its highly recommended that you actually read people's feedback and judge for yourself the validity.

For example, I have negative feedback from a scammer I busted, however it doesn't seem to hurt me too much, as people read it and judge its validity for themselves, not to mention the guy actually did use the system correctly more or less. He said there was a 10 BTC loss involved, which is the only part that isn't true, but the other part is.

Trust also isn't an absolute method. If I want to buy something from a known scammer, I don't hesistate to, I just make sure there are the correct safeguards in place.



This is it exactly. Being on the default trust list doesn't make you completely trustworthy, people should always read ones feedback and judge validity for themselves. There are incredibly few ocassions where anyone should refuse to use escrow, so if you aren't completely convinced by someone's record, an you don't have the highest confidence in them, use escrow.

Thanks guys 

I'd imagine its people that use Tor that end up getting IP Banned, not that Tor nodes were specifically targeted. I could be wrong though, but that is my best guess.

I like Dank threads.

I will answer seriously though, there is no such thing as a world without money, it wouldn't bring world peace, it would bring starvation and depression. If we completely removed currency, we would end up back at a trade and barter system. If you want to get technical, trade and barter is still "money" as people would start amassing desireable goods that they could more easily trade for things they wanted, and that is in itself, money.

If we cut out the trade and barter system, you are back to using whatever you can make yourself. I'm not sure about you, but I feel that I'm a rather handy person, and with a bit of research I could make a lot of my own basic needs. However, I don't think I'm good enough to build my own microprocessors and other electronics that I want, so until we evolve into a civilization where every single person is able to make anything immaginable themselves, a world without money is impossible.

If you mean we have to get rid of fiat money, that wont really help either. If we have learned anything from Bitcoin, is that whether we don't trust fiat and stick to cryptos, metals, or shells, the same underlying "greed" is impossible to get rid of. Money for the poor to middle class is a method to buy goods and necessities. For the rich, money is power. Rather than cutting out money which is a neutral medium of exchange, what we really need to do is cut out power. However that leads to issues again, while some people may be complete anarchists, most are not. I'm all for freedom to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't infringe on others. However, I don't have enough faith that my neighbor wont just walk into my house and stab me for shits and giggles, so I would not like to take place in an anarchist system.

So really, even in an ideal world where we get rid of money and power, there definately will not be peace unless you devise a system that forces everyone to think in a similar matter of morals, but by doing that, thats not really having a lack of power as someone is doing the brainwashing.