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2161  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BTC limit for "large withdrawals" on Bitstamp on: May 23, 2013, 07:22:38 AM
No idea about the pseudo coin, but Bitstamp is not located in the US nor is its bank.

Indeed. They are based in Slovenia (next to North-East Italy)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=38711.0

The FinCen guidance is irrelevant to them.
2162  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Daily Adoption Action Plan (Updated daily) on: May 23, 2013, 07:05:49 AM
Ares, good initiative.

I have explained in earlier threads why an ISO currency code would accelerate Bitcoin take-up, and make it a harder target for jealous CBs to attack.

So this action activity is an in-house one. It is to ask the Bitcoin Foundation to lobby SIX Standards to register an ISO code.

Getting Bitcoin the ISO code XBT, where 1 XBT = 100 satoshi, or 1 miilion XBT = 1 BTC is most effective. It means that bitcoin amounts are easily stored in all the worlds accounting and FX systems.
2163  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WARNING! Bitcoin will soon block small transaction outputs on: May 23, 2013, 06:14:55 AM
Bitcoin is not suitable for micro transactions. This is all. Nothing new  here, it was pretty obvious from the very beginning that all those dusters are allowed to shit into blockchain only until there are not enough more serious transactions to fill the blocks.

If you want to spam blockchain, patch the client or use another one and hope that miners will be amenable to serve you for free.
I agree! I don't understand the querulous people. Bitcoin still suitable for micro transactions. But 54 uBTC is 0.000054 which is 0.006728 USD in the current exchange rate.

Micro transaction is 0.99 USD or 0.50 USD or 0.25 USD. Maybe 0.01-0.10 USD. But less than 0.01 USD is not micro. It is dust. Fragments.

By the way, the banks steal the cent fragments. The client only blocks them until their value increases enough.

Yes. And...

Exactly! Can anyone detail any previous fiat transaction they had for an amount < 1 cent?

silence on this, so far.
2164  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 2013: The Future of Payments - San Jose, CA - May 17-19, 2013 on: May 23, 2013, 04:02:45 AM
I thought it was absolutely ridiculous that it was cheaper to buy admission with a credit card at the door.  I'm sure the organizers of the NY and Vienna bitcoin conferences will not have such a retarded system in place.

Bitcoin price:  3btc
Credit Card price:  $350

Peter Vessenes is clearly incompetent.  Mtgox gets booted out of the conference because of his stupid lawsuit, and then it's more expensive to pay admission with bitcoin.  How is this acceptable?  What has coinlab done for bitcoin anyway?

You might have noticed that the BTC rate has fluctuated a lot lately, and keeping things simple means whole numbers on admission prices. $350/3 or $116.67 is a pretty reasonable approximation of the average value of one BTC in the week up to and including the conference.  


It is inexcusable to create an incentive to pay with a credit card at a bitcoin conference.  They could easily have changed the rate to 2.9 or 2.8 bitcoins depending on the current exchange rate.

I am looking at the rate during the conference and $116.67 per BTC seems fair considering it needs to be set once really.
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg10zig6-hourzczsg2013-05-16zeg2013-05-17ztgSzm1g10zm2g25
As it was a Bitcoin conference perhaps it can be argued the $350 should have been $345 or $340 depending on the rate. The difference is really only the price of a coffee and a sandwich!  Smiley
2165  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin 2013: The Future of Payments - San Jose, CA - May 17-19, 2013 on: May 23, 2013, 03:20:10 AM
I thought it was absolutely ridiculous that it was cheaper to buy admission with a credit card at the door.  I'm sure the organizers of the NY and Vienna bitcoin conferences will not have such a retarded system in place.

Bitcoin price:  3btc
Credit Card price:  $350

Peter Vessenes is clearly incompetent.  Mtgox gets booted out of the conference because of his stupid lawsuit, and then it's more expensive to pay admission with bitcoin.  How is this acceptable?  What has coinlab done for bitcoin anyway?

You might have noticed that the BTC rate has fluctuated a lot lately, and keeping things simple means whole numbers on admission prices. $350/3 or $116.67 is a pretty reasonable approximation of the average value of one BTC in the week up to and including the conference.  
2166  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Questions about bitcoin mining on: May 23, 2013, 03:05:08 AM
Ok so, the mining comes first then? A miner finds a hash, then decides which transactions to include, then broadcasts?

true

Now wait a minute. What about that, then, is inclusive of the previous blocks?

Solo miners or pool operators collate a set of pending transactions and generate a Merkle Tree from them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkle_tree
It is only the top hash (Merkle root) which goes into the block header. This prevents transactions from being altered (as the top hash would be different).

It is then the block header which is hashed many times by the solo miner or the pool miners. Block header hashes have a target number of leading binary zeros, the number of which increases with difficulty. A dummy value called the nonce is incremented so that each hash of the block header is different until the target is found. Then the block is broadcast, and validated by other solo miners or pool operators. The block header hash is included in the next block header which is hashed, making the whole blockchain unalterable.

Just brilliant of Satoshi to put it all together.

2167  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 22, 2013, 05:37:31 AM
I see what you're saying, I'm never sure whether he's talking about kBTC or BTC half the time.  He also tends to write 1000mBTC instead of 1BTC.  As you say, who knows what he means anyway?  Still, nobody should even be having a single satoshi stolen and at least from my perspective if not his a hundred grand in euros is still a lot to have pinched.

I am sure the 100k was either mBTC or 100k euros, both approx 100 BTC. Still an annoying amount to lose...


Yeah... no.  Wink

oops right, 1000BTC is a big loss
2168  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 22, 2013, 05:15:08 AM
I see what you're saying, I'm never sure whether he's talking about kBTC or BTC half the time.  He also tends to write 1000mBTC instead of 1BTC.  As you say, who knows what he means anyway?  Still, nobody should even be having a single satoshi stolen and at least from my perspective if not his a hundred grand in euros is still a lot to have pinched.

I am sure the 100k was either mBTC or 100k euros, both approx 100 BTC. Still an annoying amount to lose...
2169  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 22, 2013, 03:32:57 AM
Update on the walls:

Not a darn movement.  Angry

Market is flat even on the weekly chart.

http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg180zigWeeklyztgSzm1g10zm2g25

note: higher weekly lows for 4 weeks now...
2170  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Theymos: What the fuck is up with BFL and TradeFortress? on: May 22, 2013, 02:56:19 AM
Oh this thread is great in showing that side of ripple which most people don't understand and are not even aware of. The way the system works basically looks like a three-click scam creator for script kiddies.

The problem is that the default 'quality' factor of newly created trust lines by the client is a bad value. It should be zero (meaning "don't ripple through me") instead of one (meaning "exchange these IOUs for any other IOU I trust of the same currency at 1:1).

I've opened a GitHub issue on it.


Seem like they should hire you to kick their system into shape!
2171  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will the price be 130 USD (May, 25) on: May 21, 2013, 12:38:04 PM
Does the person who gave you this info own a crystal ball? If not, then please discard info. Nobody can see into the future without using a crystal ball, anything else would just be a guess.

The Great Eye of Bitcoin says "Yessssss, $130 eeeeeeeasssy"

2172  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Difficulty is going own? BTC and LTC? on: May 21, 2013, 11:46:49 AM
It can go down, just doesn't happen too often. Not sure what is causing this drop, but im not complaining  Smiley

AsicMiner's hash rate on BTC Guild  has dropped from 13 Thash to 8. So some of their kit is offline at the moment. Probably temporary while they plug in yet more boards!
2173  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 21, 2013, 11:40:00 AM
I think it bears repeating that a stable price is not really stable at all when you consider that 3600 new coins are minted every day. It takes new money pouring in to keep the price stable.

You're assuming those 3600 coins are being sold not kept.


Perhaps friedcat will disclose whether he is keeping them or not  Smiley

of course he isn't. he pays them out as dividends.

Who has most of the shares?
2174  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 21, 2013, 11:36:03 AM
I think it bears repeating that a stable price is not really stable at all when you consider that 3600 new coins are minted every day. It takes new money pouring in to keep the price stable.

You're assuming those 3600 coins are being sold not kept.


Perhaps friedcat will disclose whether he is keeping them or not  Smiley
2175  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: The True Explanation of Ripple for Bitcoiners on: May 21, 2013, 11:28:58 AM
There seems to be an extremely serious technical flaw which goes to the heart of an IOU trading system:

All IOUs for the same real-world instrument (BTC, USD, Gold, Oranges) are regarded as fully fungible 1:1 even though they originate from different people with different circumstances. This means that:

a) there is no accounting for expiry or settlement. IOUs are issued with no agreed redemption date. This means payers are effectively making open-ended gifts.

b) there is no weighting for the creditworthiness of the issuer e.g. an IOU for 100 USD from person X equals an IOU for 100 USD from person Y, even though person X has a million-dollar house and person Y lives in a culvert.

A further problem is social.

1) 1000 years of Contract Law
2) Ripple
3) Bitcoin

Which is the odd one out?
(Hint: two of them attempt to overcome a particular human failing...
Breaches of trust
2176  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Theymos: What the fuck is up with BFL and TradeFortress? on: May 21, 2013, 11:02:50 AM
They do extreme caching, don't they? I recall a few years ago when they were real laggy / slow and had plenty of "you broke reddit"!

Ah. I never bothered looking at it until late last year :-)
2177  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Theymos: What the fuck is up with BFL and TradeFortress? on: May 21, 2013, 10:49:32 AM
Totally on the side: ripple web interface is rubbish. I played with ripple for the first time yesterday, and the interface is totally unreliable. You create a trade order, two seconds later see a confirmation that it has been created and even see it in the order book. You cancel the order to create a different one. You see all confirmations, you see order book showing your orders as you'd expect. You do that creating/canceling couple of times. Then you close the client and open it again and you see that your client was totally out of sync with what really happens on the backend. There were some orders that you cancelled and saw cancelled which actually are still open. There were some orders that you created and saw in the order book which actually aren't there (and weren't executed). I've been using a semi-reliable cellular connection yesterday so maybe it doesn't affect most users in their everyday usage, but the fact that it happens on unreliable connections shows that the software is very broken and if it's rubbish in the web client, you should expect it to be rubbish elsewhere as well.

This just makes me all the more impressed at how silky smooth and blinding fast reddit is. They must have crushing volumes, but their site responds to every click instantly, no double rows (as you constantly see on MtGox as well). Looking forward to bitcoin sites reaching a reddit level of technical maturity.
2178  Economy / Speculation / Re: $5000+ bitcoin? on: May 21, 2013, 10:39:06 AM
Current Bitcoin can't be sustainably much over $400.

Justification: the 1MB block size limit and the fact that the price has pretty much grown hand in hand with the number of transactions per block (in the long time trend). We have free transactions now (for old enough coins). Eventually a minimum transaction fee for ANY transaction will be several dollars, when the block space scarcity really starts to constrict usage. If BTC adoption grows at the current rate, in a couple of years this scenario is going to be real. This will mean, by the way, that the block subsidy will be insignificant far sooner than most people think. At 20,000 tx/block and $1 fee per tx, assuming $400/BTC and current reward level, fees will be two thirds of total miner revenue.

I do not expect doing away with the block size limit until we've seen its economic consequences. Many influential people have gotten stuck in early 2011 and the "everyone must be able to run a full node in their cell phone" mindset.

+1, mp420 summarized my thinking exactly.

$400 is the most we will get until the block limit is made flexible or removed. The fear-mongering about nodes disappearing (centralization) is not shown with recent stats, which identify up to 350,000 active nodes.
http://bitnodes.io/
Many more than two years ago when it was more like 20,000
2179  Other / Meta / Re: Dear modz, plz ban this guy on: May 21, 2013, 10:10:07 AM
Done, cleaning up now.

Thanks BadBear, dirty job I know...
2180  Other / Meta / Re: Dear modz, plz ban this guy on: May 21, 2013, 10:03:00 AM
Seizure of property

You're seizing my valuable screen real estate
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