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1501  Other / Meta / Re: my avatar wont change on: September 28, 2013, 02:27:47 AM
There seems to be an intermittent problem with this. Try setting it to the Bitcoin symbol for a few days. Then a new jpg.
1502  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare? on: September 28, 2013, 02:18:39 AM
The only thing needed is the police and judicial system. The rest of government could remain shutdown indefinitely. The economy would really grow fast without a vast bureaucratic cancerous lymphoma suffocating it.
1503  Economy / Economics / Re: Ripple-like systems a threat to Bitcoin? on: September 27, 2013, 04:08:08 AM
A better question would be "Is Ripple stagnating?"

If it is going to go mainstream then it should be gaining market share for bread-and-butter activities like facilitating BTC/Fiat exchanging, especially with MtGox on its knees. Yet, BTC volume on Ripple seems to be declining rather than growing. Less than 75 BTC traded in the last month!

http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/currency/USD.html

Ripple has just gone open source. Perhaps that will help it.
1504  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: September 27, 2013, 03:08:08 AM
--_Crap, did anyone else notice bid sum took an 800k dive?

Someone cancelled their low bids and just slammed the asks for 8k coins. Worried about missing the train, so next worry: btc withdrawal..
1505  Economy / Economics / Re: Real money vs debt, and the value of bitcoin. (Mitchell-Innes credit theory) on: September 26, 2013, 08:52:00 PM
All the alt-coins also have similar properties as bitcoin. What is it about bitcoin that sets it apart from the clones and makes it so much more valuable?

First-mover status. 99.9% of the merchants which accept cryptocurrency will take bitcoins and not alt-coins. The public do not want to see dozens of alt-coins which are a confusing duplication. So, basically, the alt-coins are not recognized as currency outside the cryptographic community.
1506  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: September 26, 2013, 08:20:12 AM
This company is just a debt buyer. On August 30, someone bought 17,800 BTC from gox and sold them to secondmarket for $ (as GOX can't pay them $, this is like a debt). Now secondmarket will sel this debt to investors.

Bitcoin is money, virtual gold, gold 2.0, currency, a payment system,  but it is not debt.
1507  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: OFFICIAL LAUNCH: New Protocol Layer Starting From “The Exodus Address” on: September 26, 2013, 12:59:23 AM
1. You are putting TBF developers to shame. Last time they released a client with new features was in May (4 months ago) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=219504.msg2311420#msg2311420 And the most appreciated feature in that release was the new icon and splash screen for Bitcoin-Qt  Undecided
What a joke Bitcoin development has become!

No. That's totally unfair and unwarranted.

The payment request changes are imminent and these will take Bitcoin to the next level:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=300809.0;topicseen

A lot of merchants want this - and what's the major difference in success between Bitcoin and the 100-odd alt-coins? Apart from LTC no merchants accept the alt-coins.

While the Mastercoin progress is impressive it is only one area activity.
1508  Economy / Economics / Re: Real money vs debt, and the value of bitcoin. (Mitchell-Innes credit theory) on: September 25, 2013, 04:01:48 AM
A fundamental of economics is that only products can buy products (labor, goods, raw materials).

A fundamental of economics is that only money can buy anything. Additionally, money needs not be a product: there are historical records or people using huge, unmovable stones - not produced by anyone - as money.

A debt is simply a promise of future product delivery.

Money is a place-holder, it facilitates exchange of products by temporarily replacing one product in a transaction. It makes commerce far more efficient because barter relies upon two products in a transaction, whereas money allows for just one. Money needs to be a store of value for future use.

Debt is not "simply a promise of future product delivery."

Debt requires money: with non-monetary (direct) exchange, the concept of debt becomes impossible since there is no way of representing the exchange value of the product having its delivery delayed.

You are putting the cart before the horse. Money is a product substitute to make commerce easier. Those immovable stones enabled single product transactions by representing a product on one side of the exchange. With many food products it is rare to find a buyer with the exact item the seller needs. That is why the concept of money developed - to resolve the product matching problem.

Debt was originally one of labor, for example, where a tenant performed farm-work in exchange for accommodation and food. Only later did it become monetary. A 30-year mortgage is effectively monetizing 30-years of future labor.

Debt does not require money, but it can be monetized and represented by currency. Bitcoin is a currency which has no debt component. It is in no way debt backed.

1509  Economy / Economics / Re: Real money vs debt, and the value of bitcoin. (Mitchell-Innes credit theory) on: September 25, 2013, 03:20:57 AM
A fundamental of economics is that only products can buy products (labor, goods, raw materials). A debt is simply a promise of future product delivery.

Money is a place-holder, it facilitates exchange of products by temporarily replacing one product in a transaction. It makes commerce far more efficient because barter relies upon two products in a transaction, whereas money allows for just one. Money needs to be a store of value for future use.

Currency is a structured form of money to make storage, accounting and exchange easier. Government debt can be declared to be fiat currency by government diktat. Bitcoin is a revolutionary currency as it comes with an inbuilt payments system, scarcity, and supports long-distance transactions.

Gold makes good money, as it can't be counterfeited, and might seem intrinsically valuable. However, a kilo of gold can be worth less than a litre of water. It all depends upon the price (desirability) of a product as how much money is needed in a transaction, so products can be arbitrarily expensive...

1510  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: September 24, 2013, 10:56:28 PM
I'm looking at weekly volume on mtGox (in BTC)

Last week it has been the week with the lowest volume since the week of Jun 20 2011. And that was the week with the hack and mtGox being offline for 4.5 days. LOL.


Low volume is a good set up for a breakout, no?

Yeah, that's right.

A breakout.

On the 3 day chart it does look like a base is forming for a massive breakout, both on Bitstamp and MtGox. There is no unease that the market is overvalued at this level, like there was a few months back.
1511  Other / Off-topic / Re: Let's Count to 21 Million with Images on: September 24, 2013, 05:39:05 AM
1512  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-06-29 Wall Street Journal - Coinbase Wants to Be the PayPal of Internet on: September 24, 2013, 05:33:40 AM
Good info and good to hear they are doing well.

What is interesting about the Bitcoin news lately is how many stories are about successful start-ups and businesses.
1513  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN][KMC] KimCoin - North Korea coin for the world to use on: September 24, 2013, 01:53:26 AM
Newsflash: KimCoins are welcome at the Hotel of Doom.

1514  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-06-29 Wall Street Journal - Coinbase Wants to Be the PayPal of Internet on: September 24, 2013, 12:31:10 AM
OK. So its been over a year. How is this working out?

"Coinbase Wants to Be the PayPal of Internet"
1515  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin network can easily fall into control of central bankers. on: September 23, 2013, 10:10:04 AM
the other day i had a good chat with my computer techy friend who only knows basics of bitcoin realm. we got very speculative to understand a very possible outcome of bitcoin network.
as we all know the storage increase rates have somewhat slowed down with average pc getting a terabyte of hdd space. that rate will not increase much as we get futher into future. as  blockchain size is increasing rapidly with only handful of bitcoin users just imagine problems we will face when we are getting close to mass adoption....

Data storage of the blockchain is not the limiting factor. There is enormous potential with just this glass technology alone:
"The storage allows unprecedented parameters including 360 TB/disc data capacity, thermal stability up to 1000°C and practically unlimited lifetime."
http://www.southampton.ac.uk/mediacentre/news/2013/jul/13_131.shtml

The limiting factor is ISP bandwidth for block propagation. bandwidth is also increasing fast, but if not fast enough then fees will steadily rise and the Bitcoin blockchain will be mostly for higher-value transactions. This is not ideal, but not a disaster either, and not a reason for a takeover by central bankers. The network hashrate is rocketing and would seem to be enough to protect the blockchain long-term if that continues.

I suspect that if low-value transactions are priced away from the blockchain then off-chain solutions will develop which handle the micro-payments with just end-of-day transfers done on-blockchain. However, if bandwidth keeps increasing, as it is to support HD video streaming and other services in many countries, then Bitcoin capacity will scale too.

1516  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: September 23, 2013, 09:12:29 AM
Question: don't Bitpay and similar company's rely on MtGox in order to pay out customers? Howcome they're still up and running then?

Do you think MtGox's biggest clients are waiting 2 or 3 months for their money?
1517  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bitcoin XBT - Exodus from BTC to XBT? on: September 22, 2013, 10:12:07 AM
It says proposed ISO code for Bitcoin.
It says "proposed" because I edited it to say "proposed".

If you looked at the edit history you'd see that before I got there it said "The ISO 4217 standard currency code for Bitcoin".

Ah, OK. Then you did exactly the right thing. Good spot.
In fact it should be merged with the first line which has the XBT/USD example.
1518  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bitcoin XBT - Exodus from BTC to XBT? on: September 22, 2013, 10:00:57 AM
Someone added an entry there that XBT is the ISO currency code for Bitcoin. Did this really happen? Or are we going to see the "Bitcoin is now a bank in Europe" story all over again?

It's bad enough when clueless reporters misinterpret news and spread FUD, but when we do it ourselves it's worse.

It says proposed ISO code for Bitcoin.

BTC is an informal code, so is XBT at present. No disinformation there.

I checked the Bitcoin article itself, and XBT has reference 5, the usage seen on xe.com
http://www.xe.com/currency/xbt-bitcoin
1519  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Real Time Charting, Order Book, and Time & Sales on: September 21, 2013, 10:26:59 PM
I don't like the new color changes.

I really like the new changes!

Clark, can you make a Bitstamp version as well please?
1520  Other / Off-topic / Re: OMFG! No, seriously! WTF is that? Bounty paid if you know. on: September 20, 2013, 10:47:32 AM
A metal garden ornament, though in close-up it looks like someone has darkened the shape with three photoshop brush-tool marks
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