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221  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Stop discussing war and politics. You are feeding the fire. on: October 08, 2014, 03:48:10 PM
Not discussing war isn't going to magically make war stop. Discussing it is the only hope you have to stop it. War begets war, so you cannot fight your way to peace. Discussing the wrongs of war is the only hope to bringing enlightenment about its evils. You say you want peace, but then you seek to block the only path to it.
222  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why BTC is having trouble breaking $360 on: October 08, 2014, 03:26:27 PM
Price is down cuz most of coin are sold off market to private holder.
Think that this is way price is going down.

There's no such thing as "off market" in bitcoin. Everything is on the blockchain.
223  Economy / Gambling / Re: MoneyPot.com -- The Social Gambling Game on: October 08, 2014, 03:13:36 PM
Maybe the guy who backed out of the bet is the guy who told on MP to AWS, so he would have a reason to back out of the bet.
224  Economy / Services / Re: ★☆★Bitin.io » Instant Cryptocoin Exchange » Campaign, Sig & Personal Msg ★☆★ on: October 08, 2014, 02:56:25 PM
This Sunday (October 12) will be the end of pay period 4? Or are we in 5 now? (According to your spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19fk7QjLFO54-a-UHdjq4Srw5rjUSRmFhdRbAY5LxwDY/edit?pli=1#gid=0)

225  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Study: Everyone hates environmentalists and feminists on: October 08, 2014, 02:43:15 PM
In america everything is extreme, I have no problem with protecting nature and women having same rights as males, but people in america are always pushing things to extremes, they dont understand concept of healthy extent.

I think this sentiment is subject to confirmation bias. You have a stereotype, and then selectively remember or emphasize all the instances where your initial prejudice is confirmed.
226  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why BTC is having trouble breaking $360 on: October 07, 2014, 07:09:06 PM
Guys we must admit... how can this bitcoin become the new revolutionary ecurrency if it loses 40% of value in a few days? The BTC protocol is not as robust as some of the up-and-coming coins. Additionally, the BTC consensus has led to monopolized mining. I am not sure what to think at this point


The price of bitcoins and the robustness of the BTC protocol are totally unrelated.  Smiley

Well, I wouldn't say totally unrelated. Price is simply where supply and demand meet, but would there be much demand if the BTC protocol was bunk? The fact that the protocol is stable and works makes the demand possible.
227  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why BTC is having trouble breaking $360 on: October 06, 2014, 09:50:03 PM
If I was a merchant accepting btc, I'd immediately convert to fiat too. I wouldn't be able to risk the price fluctuations negating my profit margin.
228  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Stop discussing war and politics. You are feeding the fire. on: October 06, 2014, 09:41:04 PM
Beliefs manifest reality.  If someone else believes in something, it exists.  Everything exists, the universe is infinite.

Disbelief is simply fearing something, not making it non existent.  Non existence does not exist.

So suppose I believe you don't believe the things you say. That means you don't believe them.

For one to disbelieve, they must first acknowledge the existence of what they disbelieve in.  For you can only have a negative if it's in reference to a positive.

This works the opposite way too. You can only have a positive if it's in reference to a negative. That means all your positive thinking creates bad things in the world. Maybe your thoughts are just an exercise in evil!
229  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why BTC is having trouble breaking $360 on: October 04, 2014, 11:00:58 PM
Although if you look at the charts, it's clear demand has already risen the past few months, and it's higher than it ever was. It just isn't that apperant by the price yet because supply is so extreme high right now that the price is still dropping despite the demand being at an all time high.

This doesn't make sense. Supply has been rising slowly and predictably as more bitcoins are mined into existence, 25 coins roughly every 10 minutes. The fact that the price has declined so dramatically over the past several months shows that demand is not keeping up with this slow supply increase. If demand was higher right now than it's ever been, as you say, you wouldn't be seeing a 50% drop in price over the past several months.

However, if the demand continues to grow at this rate (and there is no reason it won't) we will soon see the demand outgrowing supply and thus the prices will once again skyrocket, which in turn will trigger even more buyers and cause a chain reaction and a massive rally which will of course end at some time just to cycle into another period of downward pressure but a bit higher than we are now, just like all the times before.

Each cycle more users and more merchants join, and more people become aware of bitcoin. And each cycle the floor price increases.

You have it right that if demand outpaces supply, that's what will cause price to rise, but you're assertion that there is no reason it won't isn't based on anything but conjecture. There has to be a catalyst for demand though. Last year, when btc broke $1000, it was the novelty and mania surrounding it that drove it so high so fast. Under your logic, there's no reason the price would ever decrease, if rising prices always cause more people to jump on the bandwagon. But what happened at the top of that rally last year? People started taking profits by selling btc for fiat to lock in their gains. That's bitcoin's problem, is people will convert it back when the risk of holding bitcoins is too high. You can further tell bitcoin's problem by the fact that people always quote the price of bitcoin in dollars. That's how you know bitcoin will never replace the dollar, it's measured in dollars.
230  Economy / Economics / Re: Video: The Biggest Scam In The History Of Mankind on: October 04, 2014, 10:37:19 PM
I kinda expected this to be a big mess of conspiracy theory, but it was more factual and even-handed than I was ready for.
231  Economy / Services / Re: ★☆★Bitin.io » Instant Cryptocoin Exchange » Campaign, Sig & Personal Msg ★☆★ on: October 04, 2014, 05:23:02 AM
Would someone working for the campaign be able to confirm when the current pay period ends? Even if you're using that range of 4-10 days, could you give us the range of when this pay period is expected to end?
232  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Are the U.S. Congress members hiding due to their kill on sight status in USA? on: October 04, 2014, 04:23:59 AM
For the last 50+ years, the 13 inbred Terrorist European Bloodlines of the Terrorist organization Illuminati completely overthrew the U.S. Congress.
They've replaced each member of the U.S. Congress member with their own inbred family members to help them complete their agenda to own America 100% Free & Clear. This is how 13 inbred Terrorist European Bloodlines of the Terrorist organization Illuminati overthrew the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.

American Patriots Militia Groups all over America are now hunting to kill the inbred grandchildren & children of those U.S. Congress members for the last 50+ years to end their legacy.

Guys, this is some serious tinfoil hat shit. I mean, we all missed the entire Congress being overthrown and something something inbreds from Europe and the illuminati are hunting down.... oh darn, I lost interest.
233  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Video Footage Of Cop Executing Dillon Taylor Released on: October 04, 2014, 03:13:58 AM
Actually anyone with half a brain would know not to start taking off when a cop pulls up directly in front of them. Anyone with an iq above 50 would know you dont stick ypur hands down ypur pants and pull them out quickly when a cop has a gun aimed at ypur chest 5 feet away. I guess you dont fall into either of those categories.

If he didnt take his hands out he could have lived through that. Just a good lesson why you dont screw around with a cop. Honestly im not trying to defend the cop, but you throwing around the term "murder" shows how ignorant you really are.

Murder is the unjustified taking of a life, which sounds much closer to the circumstances of this case than not. Victim-blaming here is a frequent tactic for someone defending police brutality. 'Anyone with a brain knows not to disobey a cop when he gives you an unjustified order because of racial prejudices.' That's unreasonable. As a free citizen in a free country, you have a right not to be murdered by police. Or subjected to unreasonable searches or orders. Police are granted the power to use force when it is warranted with the expectation they are qualified enough to know when it is warranted. This cop did not. Being a police officer involves known self-sacrifice, in that you are agreeing to put yourself in potentially dangerous situations. That is not an excuse or a justification to be trigger-happy. You still have a duty not to be, and you are still answerable to the public for your actions when you are. If you can't handle that responsibility, DON'T BE A COP.

A dictionary would benefit you guys:

Murder:  the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought (straight from Merriam-Webster)

Like I said, murder is premeditated.

Again I'm not defending him, but you cant call it murder becasue that is completely 100% not accurate.  To say the cop should have waited a fraction of a second more is to say you think cops should wait to get shot before shooting.  I doubt they are trained to do that.  When you deal with criminals every day, what do you think he expects when soeone reaches their hands down their pants?  Honestly, next time you get pulled over, would you even think about sticking your hands down your pants and pulling them out quickly?HuhHuhHuh??  Especially if the cops gun was already drawn?Huh?  Come on!

Probably your problem is the same problem cops have: that you view everyone they deal with as criminals. Cops don't have the qualifications to make that call, that's what the courts are for. Everyone in America is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Maybe you've heard of that before? It was a revolutionary concept because it's supposed to keep the government from arbitrarily enforcing laws and supposed to ensure due process, so that people aren't wrongly executed in the streets like this guy was by this overzealous cop.

There are different degrees of murder. Since you're hung up on definitions, why don't you break out a legal dictionary, since that's the definition that matters here.

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Second Degree Murder: Definition
Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as: 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion"; or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life.

Second degree murder. Still murder.
234  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Study: Everyone hates environmentalists and feminists on: October 04, 2014, 12:45:24 AM
It's been my experience that people hate things that tend to challenge their sense of self-identity.....
You may be defining one type of hate, which exists on occasion.  But that is not the whole story.  Hate exists as a human emotion and there are likely good reasons for it, based in our survival as a species.  Thus it is false to consider a lack of hate as making one a better or superior person.  

Of course, misplaced hate would be counterproductive, but so would misplaced love or any other emotion.

 

I think hate became outdated around the time we expected to live in a civilized society. I don't see much function for it now. Hate leads to aggression, and the initiator of aggression is always wrong.

Your notion of civilized society is hated by tribes getting pushed back and their land stolen in the Amazon rainforest  Wink


It's an uncomfortable subject, but I do not think a basic trait of human nature could be "outdated", and that was my point.  Misuse of that trait, certainly.


But not the trait itself.


I assumed when you said hate was useful originally, you were speaking to some evolutionary advantage it bestowed to have the capacity to hate other beings. Short of that, I don't buy the premise at all. I don't see the usefulness of hate at all. I don't deny it's part of human nature, but my comment about civilized society is that we know better now than to let our actions be hateful and aggressive towards people who don't deserve it.
235  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Study: Everyone hates environmentalists and feminists on: October 03, 2014, 09:36:20 PM
It's been my experience that people hate things that tend to challenge their sense of self-identity.....
You may be defining one type of hate, which exists on occasion.  But that is not the whole story.  Hate exists as a human emotion and there are likely good reasons for it, based in our survival as a species.  Thus it is false to consider a lack of hate as making one a better or superior person. 

Of course, misplaced hate would be counterproductive, but so would misplaced love or any other emotion.

 

I think hate became outdated around the time we expected to live in a civilized society. I don't see much function for it now. Hate leads to aggression, and the initiator of aggression is always wrong.
236  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How do we defeat ISIS without U.S. Ground Troops? on: October 03, 2014, 09:16:48 PM
Countries always get pissed when another country tries to meddle with their internal affairs. Look how it turned out for the Germans before the US entered WWI when they sent a secret telegram to Mexico offering Mexico parts of Texas and other areas of the Southwest if Mexico declared war on the US to keep us too busy to fight the Germans. (Google the Zimmerman telegram if you don't know what I'm talking about.) You'd think we'd learn from history, but it seems we never do!
237  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Video Footage Of Cop Executing Dillon Taylor Released on: October 03, 2014, 04:18:17 PM
Clearly the cop over-reacted and there should be consequences for the cop, otherwise it sends a message that they can get away with murder whenever they want.

Are you under the impression that cops regularly don't get away with murder? I'd love to see nationwide statistics on what how often police departments rule their own shootings to be justified, but those statistics don't exist because police aren't interested in being overseen by civilians.

Police departments shouldn't be able to investigate their own shootings. Every single one that results in a life taken should be investigated by an impartial, outside source that has no ties to the police department. In Wisconsin, police shootings used to be investigated by the police department that did the killing. In every single case over 129 year period, not one shooting was ruled unjustified. Does that seem likely to you? It sounds to me like police looking out for each other, and not the public they are sworn to protect.

I highly recommend this story about a shooting in Wisconsin that spurred one father's fight to get the law changed so that police departments couldn't investigate their own shootings:  http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/08/what-i-did-after-police-killed-my-son-110038.html

tl;dr his son was sitting on a street corner in police custody with his hands cuffed behind his back. A cop shot him in the head twice at point blank range (he pulled the trigger twice because the first shot misfired). The shooting was ruled justified by the same Wisconsin police department that shot him because the officer believed that the handcuffed kid sitting on the curb was trying to get his gun. An outside review determined the officer got his gun holster caught on a car mirror as he walked by it, mistook this for the kid reaching for his gun, and his first instinct was to shoot him in the head twice while he was still seated with his hands cuffed behind his back.
238  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Study: Everyone hates environmentalists and feminists on: October 03, 2014, 03:56:36 PM
It's been my experience that people hate things that tend to challenge their sense of self-identity. If you hate the idea of having to change the way you live your life (don't drive the sports car or gas guzzling SUV you love) because you feel society is imposing a set of values on you that you don't share and it's threatening your personal freedom, then you're probably going to hate environmentalists. I think the same thing goes for feminists, though that seems a more complex issue. For some reason, some people are really offended by the notion of a group of women who identify themselves as victims of other groups in society, and seek to empower themselves. Perhaps the offense comes from not sharing the view that they're victims in the first place, or the belief they're manufacturing their own circumstances. I don't quite see it. To me, it appears the pushback on feminists stems from men who view women as subservient and want to keep it that way. But I don't really know, I can't speak too much to that particular mindset.
239  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How do we defeat ISIS without U.S. Ground Troops? on: October 03, 2014, 03:44:29 PM
The problem is we're having to state the obvious to a bunch of violent psychopaths who think dropping bombs is the only solution, simple answer is we need to talk about how to fight these guys instead.

The point I was making is trying to fight them creates more of them. They are radicalized by our intervention. Our current problem was caused by our interventions to solve previous 'current problems,' which arose because of our interventions in trying to solve the 'current problems' before that. This is a predictable never-ending cycle. The solution it seems to me, is to break the cycle, not perpetuate it.

I suppose in a way, our biggest problem is that war is profitable, and very rich and powerful entities have influence in Washington. If war wasn't profitable, you wouldn't see us engaging in so much of it. But the uncomfortable truth about the American middle class is that a chunk of it is made possible by the high tech arms and defense industry, which employs many people and whose functions support many other not-necessarily arms-related businesses that employ many more people.
240  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Gold was once made Illegal to hold and stolen from the public. on: October 03, 2014, 03:35:11 PM
This is not a comparison thread to gold.

If you have not hidden and protected your crypto expect to have it all taken from you for the greater good.  Your arrogance of how smart you are and how stupid the gov is will blow up very hard in your face.

Right, it's our "second warning."   Roll Eyes

Puts on tin hat, digs a hole and buries all intangible assets in super secret, untraceable location.
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