You've fallen for their trap.

These questions have all been answered many times over the past year. They just go ignored or have my words twisted to suit their narrative.
Where's the money? Been explained many many times and the people who it matters to most are very well aware of how the business operates.
Where's the buybacks? Been explained, they happen every day on the site.
Where's the massive wins causing huge drop in token price? See there's where you took their claims as fact. This never happened.

I don't need to explain anything here. You can say what you want about the reputation but I defended the reputation of the site for a year against this idiots campaign and didn't get any moderators doing their job of deleting his account or posts. Yet my posts just asking "show evidence" were deleted. Clear corruption in this forum.

Jolly good is clearly a moderator or is close friends with one of them. I've been given details of moderators who accept payment from sites to post negative stuff about competitors. I'm not sure if it's true yet but it is definitely clear that jolly good breaks forum rules more than anyone I've ever seen, for a year straight, and nothing is done about it.

And now even you join them.

No point in even visiting here is there?

Where is the need?
Why should I explain to you when you've spent a year on this smear campaign?
Why should I explain to any of the DT members here when they were so quick to label it a scam when they had no evidence and didn't invest in the ICO themselves?
Why should I explain to any trolls who just ignore what I say (all questions have been answered at some point in the past year but you ignored them or twisted my words).

Where are the people who I should explain to? Where are the people who feel that the site is a scam?
If I had scammed $6.5 million there should be hundreds of people posting in here demanding money back.
Where are they?
There isn't anyone.

All of you just proved that the forum is toxic and none of you should be trusted or have your opinions or views taken seriously.

Continue on with your circus. It means nothing. We have players and investors who are happy the way things are going. That's who should be getting the attention.

Proven  good one

Consensus by idiots in here that can't use logic or think for themselves. Never mind not being able to provide a shred of evidence or even round up any other BKB holders that actually believe they were scammed.

My inbox is empty, why is no one demanding their investment back from this scam?
You can pm here, email me, telegram me. I'm not getting anything.

Your detective work is very, very poor.

Think about one thing....multi monitor setup? You should know quite how this wouldn't work logistically for me.

Same desktop? I've not used Windows for over a year. You knew that too.
I only know 3 of those icons and don't have steam installed, I don't play games.

If you had saw my desktop I wouldn't care (but think logically, would I ever post a screenshot with all my desktop in view? especially under some account you claim to be me)
Also, his screenshot was to show a 9900x payout win (which happened when i was sleeping btw).
If you check his screenshot with the 9900x I posted on twitter and telegram you would see I cut out only the bet details dialog. Not the whole desktop.

However what you are doing is bordering on doxing someone else just because they post about the site? That is terrible behaviour and surely is against the forum rules.

Instead of getting off on the little fame you get from these trolls worshipping you why don't you stick to your retirement with your gf and your bike?
Or is selling btc too hard for you too still since running from the US?

Pathetic. Reported to mods. (not that they ever bother to do anything anyway)

You can buy BKT on https://betking.io, newdex.io and chaince.com

We will be listed on a few more exchanges soon

a) no. I gave an equation that calculated the price based on site profit. If the site had a big loss then the token price would have been lower than the ICO price.
b) there was no price floor

No one lost money in this (except me).
They claim to know people who say they have lost money but none of them have posted and none of them have been in contact with me which I'm sure if they did actually lose money or felt they had they would be in contact.

If he has the BKB he can't have lost money. If he sells or trades it and sells at a low price now then he would lose money but that would be his decision and I have explained how the new system works and that he should wait.
Instead he wants attention and just shouts scam (note Loyce didn't even buy tokens in the ico, he got them from bounty)
But it is not the concern of anyone in this forum who didn't own BKB from the original ICO.

Oh no, red trust that means nothing on a cesspit of a forum full of scammers, liars and trolls.

@Loyce - I didn't respond because your post has so many lies (posting jolly goods posts as evidence?) and assumptions you made wrongly (last buy back was a year ago?). You all twist my words every time I reply to anything and then use some random ambiguous claim as the start of your next smear campaign.

You can give me -9999 trust all you want. Doesn't make a difference.

If you had have stuck to a civil discussion by email then I could have easily explained everything to you and point our where you were wrong and how things worked and helped you but guess you needed the attention here.

Go and get me a list of all the people that think I scammed them with that decision and the amount of tokens they hold.
I think you will find it would be a small list. I know that it can't possibly be even 10-20% of all the tokens that were ever in circulation and I would wager that the majority of those don't think it's a scam and the rest probably didn't understand the old token or the new one.

Even better. Find me a single person who has lost money by buying BKB in the ICO.
One single person, that didn't decide to sell for less than the last buy back price since that would be their own choice.

There is not a single BKB holder who has lost money through me or BetKing
 

The scam accusations were against token holders who bought tokens in ICO. So if I said investors at any time I'm usually meaning people who had BKB.
As said, can't reach them all but the majority (if you sum the total $ value of tokens I didn't own) all had this info and were kept up to date with changes.

If it's who I think it is it is someone who refuses to prove to me that he owned tokens and won't give me his BetKing username and so I can't prove he actually is a token holder and so I don't have to explain anything there.


That was a private conversation between someone I have spoken with frequently for 5 years and he thinks it's OK to just post things in a public forum. I have 5 years of chat logs with lots of personal info he has said to me in confidence. I would never dream of posting that here.
He can choose to believe if it was a scam attempt if he likes but it certainly wasn't.
We were discussing the act of loaning to others as a business (not me asking for a loan at that point).
He said he was open to it and then gave me the example of loaning me $1mm, I hadn't asked for any amount at that time.
Since he was open to the business of loaning and suggested the amount, I asked. I then suggested he could buy tokens instead. That would be like getting interest if I would have used it for BetKing and the token price went up due to any site profit increase.
He was adamant we had to get others involved in escrow and that I had to send him the exact same amount that he was loaning.
IMO that is not a loan. There was no point us just trading $1mm in btc for $1mm btc so I declined. I also don't trust anyone enough to escrow that amount, especially the people he suggested.
At that time there was no plan to change direction of the site or to change buyback model etc so there was 100% absolutely no intention to scam someone I trusted and considered a friend (even if it was just online).
Yet he posts private conversations in public that are no one's business and leaves red trust saying I scammed investors with no proof and the whole nonsense about stealing Bustabit. Note it was removed a few days after they started attacking and he still has red trust on my name.

That info was made available to every single token holder. I emailed them all personally or contacted as many on telegram and skype.
It was also posted on the website.

I'll reply once since even though you are still wrong in what you say and still continue to attack, there's a hint of some possible discussion here.


Not true. I lost millions of $ since the ICO.


Doesn't matter if you remember or not. It's been public. The main point is that all token holders were allowed access to a private Telegram group.
We discussed business decisions and spending and stats in there. They were not the concern of this forum. There was no need to post anything in this forum. Any large holders that didn;t want to discuss in Telegram were in contact via email.

I also never once said I bought 90% of tokens. I did say that up to 20% were willing to swap for BitSafe tokens which would bring the figure closer to 90%, most of these people have now converted to the new BKT token.

Never needed to be made public here.

Again, any business decisions or spending or expenses was not information that was to be made public or of interest to anyone on this forum. Instead of any discussion you make assumptions and claim them as fact. We done a tonne of development on the site.
Any site owner would be able to tell you that it's not just the design that shows work being done. We have worked on BetKing non stop. Old games can't just be re-added and integrations of other services are not easy. You are not a developer (i saw your request looking for one). There is always things behind the scenes to be working on that most users wouldn't notice.
Look at BitDice, 8-10m raised in ICO and site is the same a year and a half later. With no scam accusations. What has been done there? Behind the scenes development that no one notices much.

Again, a private company and that information did not need to be made public. But was always shared with token holders anyway. This forum isn't where these things are communicated.

You have spent a year on this smear campaign attacking me personally and BetKing. Why would I have continued to answer your questions?
You always either ignored them and post more spam over the top with false claims of scam or you twist my words to suit your narrative.
All while not having a single cent invested in the site. You were not a token holder. You didn't need to be informed of anything related to the business of BetKing.

Most did have the information, certainly the largest percentage of $ value did. We obviously can't reach everyone but posting on this forum was not the answer. Especially when you spent a year doing this. You have done far more harm to investors and the website than I ever could.

Now we're getting somewhere.
I've admitted many times that I could have run the business far better or done things differently. But it is not a scam to run a business poorly. It is not a scam to spend money on things that didn't bring an ROI.
Token holders can see the steps that have been taken to try and turn things around.
We have a new, much improved and built from scratch platform (regardless of what you say about the look or whatever). It has shown an increase in players and profit for token holders and bankroll investors already with the numbers growing each week.
I personally don't make a single penny off of the new platform yet. I hold tokens but they are essentially locked from circulation at this time. I want to see the platform and player base built up and original BKB holders see a positive return (even though there are few left) before I consider making any profit.


P.S
Yeah well that's how I talk to people who have attacked me in the past or who have trolled, posted loaded questions, false assumptions or generally people who have no real interest in discussion or the site.
That's exactly what that user did and he is only looking to bump his signature campaign post count.

That's not how it works.

What's with the nonsense?
"I know last time your site is really good but currently there is so many issues within. I just wonder if some big investors might want to get it here. And btw is there any guarantee that you guys do not eat up our money? Because there will be such attempt here, sorry no offence"

I think I might need to add you to the auto delete list.

Players get 100 BKT credited to their account automatically for every $1 wagered, regardless of what crypto they bet with. Bet mining has nothing to do with either bankroll investors or BKT token holders.

Again, making assumptions and stating opinions as if they are facts. Just like jolly good.

You know absolutely nothing of what our costs were in the past year and a half. You don't know what was spent on marketing, promos, development (you say frugal, I had 6 devs working for me for a year, they don't work for free).

Here's the other thing, you or any of these trolls don't need to know either as you had no BKB anyway.
I am in direct contact with all my biggest token holders and we have chatted about all the changes for many months. It's not a public discussion.

You don't know people who bought the ico or how they feel. I did say that 600 btc (the bankroll funds since we made no profit) was used to buy back tokens. That is 600 btc that comes right out the bankroll. Remember 50% was meant to be used for the bankroll? Well that obviously drops doesn't it? More tokens were bought back when price was actually low as no one wanted to sell when btc price was 20k and it was only 3 months into the project. It's been going down since.

You know, as well as I know your issue, that I couldn't sell btc when it was at the top so don't act like I profited millions. No bank would give me an account.
The btc remained as btc up to 20k and down to 3k, except when paying our expenses.

So when I changed to this model I owned 70% of all BKB (you lot seem to want to ignore that fact, 600 btc of the original funds was used to buy these tokens).
20% has been converted to the new token by holders who are clearly in favor of the direction we are going in.
There's a small amount that will never be claimed (old bounties, promo wins etc) and there's a few people who might be unhappy or are waiting to see how the new system goes. But that certainly doesn't show scam.

Businesses fail every day. It doesn't make them scams.
I was the biggest investor in this that lost, I put over $1 million of my own money into the business.
Businesses change models or pivot all the time, especially if the old model didn't work which clearly it didn't here.
It's obvious to me that the majority of people are in fact in support of the changes and I feel that this way will be far more profitable. For a start, traffic and profit is actually increasing now.


Use some logic. If I was a scammer, why would I still be running the site? I mean my lawyers have told me I can close it and have no legal obligation to buy back any tokens.
Why would I not have just closed right after ICO instead of spending on dev/marketing?
Why would I not have stole investment in 2016 instead of returning it to everyone?
Why would I not decide even that BK relaunch wasn't doing well after a year and just get out then while we still had money?
A scammer doesn't hang about the scene for 5 years.

Got any other assumptions you want to make without knowing anything of how the business actually works? Because your trust feedback you left shows you don't have a clue.

certainly looked that way.

Anyway, congrats jolly good. you win only because I'm too tired to constantly reply to your shit.
I have far better, more important things to be doing than asking you to provide evidence to back up your accusations. Instead you just ignore and post more shit.

JollyGood has done more to harm investors than I ever could with the constant abuse over the past year.
And BKB holders are part to blame for not defending.

Have your forum.

Are you stupid? Of course I locked the thread. Forum rules state one thread per site. I have another thread here. This old one is just another platform for jolly good to post his lies

So in the other thread you say I stole and in this thread you say you think? What is it? Have you got proof or evidence to back up your claims?

Again, JollyGood still can't provide any evidence to back up his claim of scam.

Got any evidence to backup the claim of me supposedly stealing money? Or are you some old account that jolly good bought to post from?

Yesterday was the first time I've logged in to this pile of shit forum in months.
You know how to contact, try support@betking.io
This forum is not where I provide support. It's just troll after troll posting nonsense.

Have a think about what you are saying. Cancelled the moment btc drops? BTC has been dropping in price since Dec 2017.
There are still buybacks on the site if you bothered to check. They happen every hour FYI

Hi
You can all the different tasks once per day (some you can do more often if we put out multiple tweets in one day for example).

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