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2201  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Happy Birthday Bitcoin (BTC) !!! on: January 03, 2020, 03:47:37 PM
Bailout the banks! Ah, the wonders of the fractional reserve banking system, if only people knew the truth...

Lose the Chicago school of economy, embrace the Austrian school of economy, and you won't ever have to see this "news" ever again.

But, good stimuli for Satoshi, and he/she/they did deliver the missing element: A coin that does not lose value over time. Now its for the rest of the world to take notice how this "deflationary" money works in the context of the economy. Keep the current practices, and it breaks. Move into Austrian economics, and it all fits.

Because the Austrians have long theorized around using something that doesn't lose value as coin, in their early 20eth century minds, that would be gold. Unfortunately gold isn't as reliable as Bitcoin, but such thing could not even be conceived back then.

As long as you all remain within the trap of the Chicago school, you will see that the governments bail out the banks. They are forced to, everything they depend on breaks with a bankrun. And bankruns can only occur with fractional reserve, because that's a legalized ponzi, and the illusion HAS to keep going, people must never learn most of the money out there doesn't even exist.

And Thus came Bitcoin... (cue "Also sprach Zarathustra" from Richard Strauss).
2202  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: A Question regarding the Binance 2020 New year Message on: January 03, 2020, 03:37:10 PM
CZ wrote a long piece on Binance blog under the title Building Foundations -. Reading the whole piece, it seems to me that CZ has a true long term vision, which, I feel, is similar to Steve Jobs. But, as I dont follow, all Binance projects closely, it is difficult for me to properly evaluate his claims in the blog. Hence, I am putting forward a question to the community...

Are all the projects by Binance backed by BNB only or they have some other token as well?

Do you think someone would bother making a coin and then support another? Of course they are going to push their coin as much as they can. Do you think BNB would have demand if they removed the "discount" of Binance's fees? I don't think anyone needs BNB for anything practical beyond trading it or keeping some to lower their Binance operations. Get out of Binance and its useless.

Think of it. What happens if Binance disappears tomorrow, Mt.Gox style? Do you seriously expect BNB's value to hold? bitcoin would.

Sure it might get some success, and even manage to convince some merchants to accept it, but don't be fooled, its no Bitcoin its as weak and dangerous as many other altcoins. Big company or not behind makes little difference, when they fall, they fall the same.

No one can make Bitcoin disappear.
2203  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to safely store big amounts of BTC? on: January 03, 2020, 03:28:15 PM
Two words:
hardware wallet
Really, this can solve a lot of problems

Yes, pen and paper. And its cold too!

Hardware = physical.
Cold = unplugged (powerless).

Create a new wallet in a secure os/computer (can even be done offline). At wallet creation, you write down the seed words in a piece of paper with your own hands. This is the wallet itself, nothing else matters afterwards. But, before turning on the computer (and broadcasting), make sure you copy/print whatever public addresses so you can sends funds to it.

And now you are done. If you did with a live iso, when you turn off the computer the wallet is deleted, this is good, you only need it to exist in the blockchain, and the "keys" to it are within those seed words. So not protect/secure that piece of paper.

And now you have the perfect secure solution that can store unlimited amount of money and be unhackable, as long as you keep that paper secure. You should hide it in a clever place, preferably make another copy and store it in another physical location. You could get fancy and use a bank vault or whatever, even use stenography, mark words in book etc.

The pen defeats the axe (hack) Smiley

A hardware wallet in the "common" meaning, the electronic gadget, should NOT be used for storing long term / large sums. A hardware wallet is nice when you want a wallet that doesn't need a pc or phone, and like those, should be restricted for small amounts you expect to use over a day, or maybe over a month. For long term nothing defeats the paper.

Do not forget, this "hardware" wallet also MUST use the very same paper to write down the very same seed words. If you skip it you are simply taking a giant risk of losing access to it permanently. So in the end you are spending money to do the same thing, in addition to extra annoyances like password, 2fa, etc (its just like a software wallet, but in a less insecure OS).


There is a problem with a certain mindset, lets call it "American", in that something "secure" absolutely has to cost money. This is not necessarily true. You'd think the paper is dangerous (because free) while the gadget is not (because expensive), when in reality its the other way around. But here we return to the trust issue. Whom do you trust, yourself? The company that made the gadget?.

Remember what Bitcoin was all about in the first place: Trust. Fiat = trust in your government. Bitcoin = trust in code (you). The "you are your own bank" has bigger implication and responsibility. If you don't trust in you, you can STILL pay others to keep it safe, this is the way full reserve banking works, exactly like a bank safe, just imagine you put your money in the safe and not in the bank account.
2204  Economy / Speculation / Re: Does proof of key event have any effect on Bitcoin price? on: January 03, 2020, 03:07:35 PM
So I haven't been that long in the industry and from some articles I read online, I was made to understand every 3rd of January was assigned as a "proof of key" day and the event take place every year and today is 3rd of January but I was trying to observe if that would influence the price of bitcoin but haven't noticed anything extraordinary or am I making a conclusion too soon? For those who have been active in the space for quite sometime, does this event usually affect the price of bitcoin considering most users would likely sell their coins in anticipation of a dip in price.

No it doesn't. In theory it would reduce trades, but i don't think many traders actually participate in the event. However, network transaction increases, so moving coins in or out of an exchange is bothersome (ironic given the nature of the event).

It is my opinion that the more time that passes, the less this event is meaningful. There are more bitcoins than ever every year, and even less people willing to participate in it. This day should be renamed Bitcoin day as commemoration to that famous first block.
2205  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin still a people's currency? on: January 03, 2020, 03:02:37 PM
I've been discussing Bitcoin in a couple of forums, and I'm shocked by the vitriol and anti-Bitcoin passion that I'm finding. It seems that the mass media FUD has turned away the very people who could benefit most from Bitcoin. In contrast, Bitcoin is becoming stronger every day, and is moving towards becoming a store of wealth, and it seems to be moving into the ambit of the rich and the knowledgeable. I'm giving up on Bitcoin evangelism, and concentrating on fattening my wallet.

I thought that Bitcoin might become one of the currencies used by people when the fiat systems collapse, but I think this will only be a minor use. I believe that fiat cash will be used for a while, and silver coins could become a longer term solution. Of course it all depends on the cryptos that are introduced by the various governments, and whether there will be any trust in them.

What are you talking about? the satoshi is the coin of the masses, and bitcoin belongs to the elite.

Actual silver coins have the very same problem of gold coins. In the physical realm, they can be counterfeited, and not everyone will be able to verify (in real time) that their coin weights exactly what it should, or is completely made of what it should. This built-in verification does exist in Bitcoin.

In any case a coin is only a means of storing value. It did not come to "redistribute" wealth. Sure it did help a few early believers, good for them, but for the masses, it will always remain a legend. The difference is Bitcoin brought us a coin that that is separate from the State, a coin that doesn't lose value overtime. We can use it or not, nobody is forcing us anything, unlike the State issued fiat...
2206  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who are Bitcoin's Unsung Heroes? on: January 03, 2020, 02:52:56 PM
Everyone has heard of Satoshi, most have heard of Gavin Andresen. Jeff Garzik, Pieter Wuille and other early contributors are well known to the core community, but we're looking for other early contributors that have almost been forgotten about. From bug reports, to critical updates to community rallying that got Bitcoin in-front of the right eyes.

Successful Free and Open Source projects always have a large list of contributors, often "unsung". Such is also the case of Linux, the kernel of an operating system most people use and don't even know (in Android). In the 11th year of Bitcoin, we should be thankful.

I guess it would be objective to see Bitcoin's source contribution, but often small ideas and discussion doesn't make it in line code count (especially when some optimization actually reduces it).

How about the other projects, Do you even know who wrote cgminer? In the Free and Open Source ecosystem, everyone builds on top of the shoulder of others, it is the way it should be, the only way to achieve progress. Proprietary closed software are evolutionary dead ends.
2207  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin still bigger in 2019 from all other Commodities on: January 03, 2020, 02:39:04 PM
As we close out 2019, Bitcoin has come out on top compared to all other commodities once again. It brought the highest returns this year by far.

Bitcoin’s returns in 2019 trumps all other commodities. The leading cryptocurrency brought in returns almost double that of the second-best performing commodity this year.

  • Bitcoin: +100%
  • Palladium: +57%
  • Gasoline: +34%
  • Coffee: +30%
  • Lumber: +27%
  • Platinum: +19%
  • Gold: +18%
  • Silver: +15%
  • Sugar: +13%
  • Wheat: +11%

Despite of all the ups and downs we had this year so far, it really looks good so far in terms of economic growth.

Probabily it will grow even more after upcoming halving and more new investors and countries will most likely start their way into such investment option.

This just show us who's the boss when comparing Gold with Bitcoin considering Gold being only +18%

Yes, but as time passes, this will be less and less so. Don't think of bitcoin as a way to growth money, that side effect is naturally fading due to maturity overtime.

See those little gold price increases? That's where bitcoin is headed. Sure, you can still earn more with bitcoin, but its nothing like in the previous years.

100% increase is like going from 1 to 2. Do you remember when bitcoin went from 1 to 100? how about 1000? Those days are long gone, they are the exclusive treasure for the early investors.

People are expecting bitcoin to go from 7k into 14k (or hope it does) like it was the biggest of things, in reality that would be the same as going from 1 to 2. In my opinion, bitcoin is more likely to to not reach 2, but anything in-between. If it does manage to do 2x (100%) that is also ok, but don't expect the trend to last forever, it goes against its historical movement. When you see the entire graph, you should recognize the logarithmic curve, starts steep and fast, almost vertical, then transitions into slow and shallow, going horizontal. Bitcoin can never become fully horizontal and peg itself with fiat, because fiat production is unlimited. But it will approach it, just like gold. Gold, however, can suddenly go down, if more is discovered somewhere. There won't be any bitcoin discoveries (surprises).

In the end bitcoin is becoming a coin that doesn't lose value overtime, just as it was intended. "Digital gold" is not incorrect, but some people have the wrong conception of what gold is, or would be. People need to study Austrian economics and embrace a future of deflation, true savings based economy rather than debt/credit expansion fractional reserve endless bubble/crash cycles.

And they will, its only a matter of time.
2208  Economy / Speculation / Re: I Bet Bitcoin Reaches $10k In the Next 5-7 Days! on: January 03, 2020, 02:27:22 PM
Anyone wants to take me on a bet Bitcoin price reaches $10,000+ in 5-7 days? After the bitcoin's record breaking network hash rate news come out, BTC lost $300+ (traded below $7k), then gain $500+ within hours. 

How much are you wiling to bet? Besides today there is an abnormal surge in transactions due to the "proof of keys" event, you shouldn't use it as indication of anything.

But, i'm willing to accept the chance that bitcoin price might reach those levels at some point before the halving.

Oh, and Bitcoin just turned 11, just like the volume :3
2209  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Americans are lucky, they have Trump and Pelosi on: January 02, 2020, 01:58:20 AM
I think Americans are lucky, so much of their social media is consumed by the clown show between Trump and Pelosi, for years now. I think it is wonderful that a country is so well off that it can afford to focus so much time on fluffy reality show. While circus goes on, everyone still lives their lives because circus does not really effect them. In Philippines we have our own small circus but we are more focused on every day survival.

Good Luck and God Bless,
ÅÑÇ€£Å ヅ

Try Venezuela. Philippines haven't seen anything like it since the 70ies, last time you had your coin pegged. At least we share the same kind of tropical weather, except without the typhoons. We are doing so bad now, i know some people even went there, to Philippines, to earn a living. There are people from here going everywhere in this world, but indeed even there you can live better nowadays.

So thank God instead, you don't have to deal with Maduro and Maduro, and your wage isn't equivalent to 2 USD a month.

In the meantime the "first" world has actual things to worry about, such as the latest smartphone model. We cannot be worrying them with menial things like human rights, such things are overrated anyway.
2210  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Some suggestions if you want to use tables on Bitcointalk on: January 01, 2020, 10:43:49 PM
Funny there is no mention of the display rendering bug in the first column of a table. I think this is a problem with either SMF, Bitcointalk, or the particular version of SMF used in bitcointalk (or some modding done by the admin).

Thing is the first column will be too thin. And, this doesn't show in the preview, only when you post.

Using ___ is a clever way to force the width. Another is to simply bypass the first column entirely by having an empty one.

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2211  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: A Beginner's guideline to Bitcoin Lightning Network on: January 01, 2020, 10:31:04 PM
Two problems we see when you want to pay $2 for a coffee.
- You will not be happy to pay $1 fee for spending $2 worth of BTC.
- Alice will not accept BTC because it requires much time to get confirmed.

This is not true. Alice can wait and not serve you anything until it gets a confirmation, it is you Bob who needs to leave quickly. There is no reason for Alice to reject bitcoin, she could risk it and trust you or make you wait. LN is like a virtual tab that would help alleviate this in the future, but you could also have paid the coffee long before going into the shop (such as from your workplace).

Of course if you are a recurring customer, you would make the most use of it, since you both can leave the channel open and do several more transactions maximizing the LN use before consolidating.

However these concepts are hard to grasp for common folk, this won't be easy at all. Wallets need to be designed very carefully when they support LN. I see very little reason to use LN in most bitcoin transfers, others will try to (ab)use it for everything including a lambo...
2212  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Running nodes on linux on: January 01, 2020, 10:12:36 PM
Hi, i am a Linux noob and would like to know which Linux version should i start with my laptop if i want to run a Bitcoin node and various altcoin nodes?
Pros and cons pretty please.

There are none. Any version works. You should get an updated bitcoind and that probably has some dependencies that most distros should satisfy, unless you compile it.

I have nothing to say about altcoins but their requirements should be similar. It all amounts to what do you want to do with that laptop, because for the most bare needs you don't even need a gui (or a laptop, a raspberry pi or similar is good enough).

But anyway if you want recommendations, I'll say MX Linux. Its currently no.1 on Distrowatch.

Remember unless you plan to run your nodes pruned, they need space, LOTS of space, as in 300g or so for Bitcoin's blockchain alone and have the patience to wait for that to download. Pruned nodes will download the same, but won't keep the older transactions stored afterwards.
2213  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Which is the lowest transaction fee bitcoin wallet? on: January 01, 2020, 09:42:14 PM
Many of you will say blockchain wallet. I use blockchain wallet.
But if we talk about transaction fees,
Its most of the times we have seen goes too high,if we have to send on high priority.

If we talk about Binance, it has minimum withdrawal fee of approx. 0.0005 BTC, approx. $3.00-$5.00

Decent wallets allow you to manual force it to 1sat/B. This means the usual transaction takes somewhere between 100 to 400 satoshis, this is a couple of USD ¢ at most. Online wallets, such as those from Binance, stupidly, won't allow people to set their transaction fee, which is added in addition to their own fees.

Here is my personal opinion: All those exchanges and online wallets that don't let you use 1 sat/B are idiots. Not everyone is in a hurry, most transactions can take some hours or even a day at the smallest setting. It is those idiots that inflate the myth that Bitcoin transactions are expensive, no they are not, they are very cheap, especially if you don't need the transaction confirmed within the hour, and MOST people don't really need it.

Want Proof? A traditional wire transfer can take days or even weeks. People can wait.

It is particularly insulting when mining pools do the same, maybe there are hidden reasons when they are pps, but typical min withdraw amount in those is 0.01 BTC which is horrible for a small home 10THs miner that needs to wait A MONTH before seeing a payout.

And most of it has to do with idiots not using 1 sat/B transactions. I can't wait for the time they will let us use 0.1 sat/B, which is apparently pending in Bitcoin core. I wish wallets dropped their "network traffic guessing" nonsense. Of course miners love it, at least those in pools that pay tx fees. Since those wallets can feedback loop themselves and cause their own (silly) peaks, which is even more reason to go manual.

The answer is: 1 satoshi per byte. Depending on the number of sources, but smaller amounts tend to use less sources. Some wallets intentionally spread the coins for anonymity reasons (or have options to do so) and that of course makes the transaction cost higher (more inputs). But if you don't care about that, you can have very cheap transaction fees even with "big" amounts.
2214  Other / Off-topic / Re: Know Your Customer (KYC) A Good thing or Bad Thing? on: January 01, 2020, 09:08:51 PM
We all seemingly have some sort of mixed emotions when it comes to the dreaded KYC. Picture the painting "The Scream" or some ghastly Emoji and none the less this maybe a somewhat accurate account of to how some people may feel about KYC. Some people might think it's a complete invasion of privacy and completely ruins the whole thought of what crypto is all about, when some others may think it's a step in the right direction to hopefully bring transparency to the crypto world and thus making it a more viable option for mass adoption. What are some of your thoughts and opinions on the matter? As usual any thought or comments are more than welcome. Thanks.

Its bad, because this information will make its way into the dark web, and everyone will suffer the consequences. Before a "hack" would get your nickname and password, but now they'll get your documents.

In the name of "control" the State, as usual, makes things worse for everyone.

The only answer is: Bad Thing.
2215  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why did Craig Wright say that bitcoin can't reach $20K? on: December 31, 2019, 10:09:29 PM
Craig Wright recently said that bitcoin will never reach $20K. Of course I don't believe him, and the market will probably prove him wrong anyway (again), but why would he say something crazy like this?

Never say never... I'm pretty sure it will, its only a matter of time... That is the only undefined variable, but the inevitability lies in the fact that, the USD has to lose value every year to comply to the school of Chicago dogma in economy. Unlike Bitcoin, the USD has unlimited units they can print if/when needed, while bitcoin is limited by design, even if more people want it.
2216  Other / Off-topic / Re: Domain for a new project on: December 31, 2019, 10:03:28 PM
Hi,

I have a few ideas for the new mining project and I want to register the domain name for the website.

The problem is that during the last few years there were a lot of scam ICO projects and they used a lot of good domain names.

I want to register .io domain and it is available for registration. But it seems that the other project with same name and different domain zone .net was a scam/HYIP and it is closed for more than one year. According to Google history which I've checked it was not a huge scam, but it leave some tracktion in search results.

Also there was a mining pool with the same name, but different domain zone and it is closed too. But domain name is still taken.

How do you think should I take this name and register .io domain for my project?
Does it matter a domain zone for project?

Thanks

Better use another name, because you could end tainted even when it's not your fault... Else you will have to spend energy, time and money for something that isn't your fault in the first place. Is that name worth such trouble?

Technically its not a problem. But you'll have to convince people again, and again and again that you are not related to the former scam.
2217  Other / Off-topic / Re: what do you think about electric cars? on: December 31, 2019, 08:01:51 PM
You mean the past is the future,
1828 first model electric car.
1837 first batteries powered locomotive
1887 first electric taxis hit the streets of New York
Turn of last century more electric cars where on road as cars with internal combustion engine.
Electric vehicle held land speed record until around 1900
1975 the U.S. Postal Service purchased 350 delivery jeeps from AM General
What will happen with the mountain of toxic waste once batteries are past usefulness
The "oil running out" scam is now running for centuries

For someone a lot of time to waste and no life queening for hours is not an issue and start charging.

Quote
what do you think about electric cars?
A proven failure.

Obviously nobody is making them anymore... Electric cars charge when they park, a commuter would typically do it at work and home, never ever wasting time elsewhere such as in a gas station.

Oil peaked in America in the 70ies, and is expected to peak globally in a few years. The oil doesn't stop overnight, it simply slows down extraction (not unlike bitcoin), and the reminder of it becomes more expensive and harder to pull out from the ground.

Calling it "scam" is the same as saying the Sun is a scam. Oil is not infinite, regardless of your mistaken opinion about electric vehicles.

In a few years, you won't find gas stations anymore. Lets see what will you do then. Better get yourself a bicycle... Oh, i have these negatives that need developed, could you take them to the "photo shop"? Oops, can't do that anymore can you? ¿How about renting a VHS tape? ¿What have you done to Blockbuster?

Current Tesla battery banks last at least a decade, they gave 10 year warranties on them since the first model S. Let me see the amount of (non-renewable) fuel you burn in a decade, and the harm the oil industry does to extract it in the same time span.

Li-ION (and derivatives) pack the highest density / energy ratio batteries ever had, 19th century technology had to be tethered typically using a hanging catenary like the trains still use.

You are of course welcome to close your eyes, and cover your ears, because electric vehicles are finally taking over. Still in doubt? Search this in Youtube: Tesla Smile.

Oh and it won't be your place, but mine, the last country on earth to see an electric vehicle. Its a sad effect of free gasoline. We even still use CRTs and analog TV here, Do you?
2218  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 2020 will be a material year for crypto. What do you think? on: December 31, 2019, 04:35:02 PM
Honestly I think BTC will make progress , not only in price progress but also  technical development will be happened. And we, most of the crypto lover dont focus upon that point. It is Lightening network. The core team is working on it. The team will implement new changes to support basic multi paths payment. There will be 2 new technologies, splicing and dual funding. And both of them will improve the user experience.
And halving will make mining more expensive and production cost will correlates the ultimate market value of btc.

I'm only waiting for 0.1 sat/B tx, and maybe quantum crypto mitigations, but other than that not really much.

If anything, LN support belongs to wallets, ie. Electrum v4. How well (or bad) they implement it might alter its popularity. To me LN usage is a very rare situation where you somehow need "instant" approval. Most things can be bought in advance without the need for this.

Yes i guess core can still make things easier for LN, but its a lot of effort for something which is only rarely needed in my opinion.

I don't believe in mining to be correlated to bitcoin's market value. The value of things depend not on production cost, but on usefulness to those that buy it. It IS subjective. It is more valuable to me because i can do things i cannot do with my fiat. I am sure your fiat can do more things than mine, so you won't value it the same as i do.

Yes, its the sell refrigerators to Eskimos thing, not how much the refrigerator was to manufacture. Or, you are in the Sahara desert and you have gold but not water, and you are about to die and someone comes with plenty of water willing to part with it for your gold. You just don't care what that gold mining cost was... This is a fundamental principle in Austrian economics.
2219  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Could this be a bullish sign as halving approaches? on: December 31, 2019, 04:21:46 PM
Time will tell how halving will affect Bitcoin. Unfortunately, this is the most unpredictable asset and one cannot say how the market will behave. Let's just wait for halving

Yes, its not like there are 10 years of data and 3 previous halvings already.

Nothing important will occur during the halving, maybe before, and certainly after. Bitcoin production is dwindling to the point it simply won't matter how little of them are produced anymore. I have said before that most bitcoins that there ever will are already in the market and this is a fact.

Don't think mining is fundamental for bitcoin's price, the more time passes the less influence it has. Some people seem to believe the cost of producing a bitcoin is somehow related, but it isn't. Value of bitcoin is determined mainly by the usefulness factor by those who decide to own it. As time passes, the actual production cost has less and less of an influence to it.

You say its unpredictable but in my opinion its fundamental price won't deviate much from the logarithmic curve in all its lifetime. The earlier the stage, the faster it rises, the later the stage the slower. But never back down, because production is limited while the number of people that find it useful can only increase until a point (ie. world's population).
2220  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: You should burst this MYTH on: December 31, 2019, 04:09:03 PM
Blockchain is not Bitcoin. Blockchain can be used for anything including garbage coins. If someone says they are using blockchain technology, it tells you basically nothing, they are using a peculiar database.

Blockchain alone is NOT secure, without proper decentralization, and this is the main issue with these "State" attempts.

There is even people that dislike Bitcoin and use "blockchain" as a buzzword to promote their project (usually some garbage altcoin). So your suspicions should go high when you hear this word, rather than Bitcoin.

Of course there are some non coin projects that use blockchain, but these projects as well are not secure without proper decentralization, and most of them lack it, especially when they don't release the code so anyone can run their own node.
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