It's quite telling that the people who are defending Trump can barely string together a sentence of words that make sense and do not have spelling mistakes. The incoherent ramblings and rage that come from these people just shows that they live a rather unhappy life, always choosing to blame others for their problems.
Same people deny climate change, think the virus is a hoax, refuse to vaccinate their kids, trust qanon conspiracies, consider anything in the NYTimes fake news, etc...  |
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Winners of elections are declared by the electoral commission/collage not the media.
Secondary, there is such a thing as compulsory recount.
Someone forgot to tell the president that.  |
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Prediction: This tweet will inspire more memes than any other trump tweet.  |
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And I smell Sleepy Joe is just a sock puppet on this game... In fact the establishment want his vice president on the command.
That's Donald Trumps feces you smell. Do not eat! |
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Aww, but I was just going to discuss the theory that Trump / Pence were going to pull a Ford / Nixon. Trump will step down, make Pence president and Pence will give Trump a presidential pardon to keep him out of jail (even though he rightfully belongs there).
I'll allow it as a prediction 
I guess the next thing to watch out for would any shenanigans by Republican state legislatures in the swing states trying to meddle with elector delegations. I can't imagine them going that far but I couldn't imagine a losing candidate refusing to concede so I don't know anymore.  |
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Did you make a detailed post with evidence explaining exactly what happened to the money? Having everything in one single post (how much, how, when, tx ids, etc) would definitely help gain the trust of potential investors.
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and let's keep the conspiracy theories to a minimum...
Aww, but I was just going to discuss the theory that Trump / Pence were going to pull a Ford / Nixon. Trump will step down, make Pence president and Pence will give Trump a presidential pardon to keep him out of jail (even though he rightfully belongs there). Not a conspiracy theory. It's pretty likely he either pardons himself, or gets pence to pardon him. Regardless, we're about to see a lot of pardons. |
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NBC, CNN, AP all call it for Biden.
Election was like ripping a band aid off slowly.
A news outlet “calling” a race means nothing. It is the electoral college that determines who becomes president. There will likely be litigation that goes to the Supreme Court. The media has gotten a lot wrong over the past four years, and I have no reason to believe they have gotten any better. A news outlet calling a race is a very strong indicator of the outcome. That's why Biden is 'the projected winner'. What you mean to say is that sometimes they get it wrong and the chances of Trump winning are greater than 0%. And I agree. |
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We have a statement from Donald Trump, who was apparently golfing at his Virginia resort when news broke that Joe Biden is projected to have won the presidency.
Perfect. Should be a fun ride home as his motorcade navigates downtown DC. |
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According to ABC, Biden got Pennsylvania, so game over. 273 vs 214. Of course Trump will do the American thing to do: Sue  looks like most news outlets have agreed. well except for fox; it has reserved its call. edit: fox news has now called it for biden. Fox called NV as well. |
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they will probably gamble a $100 million on it.
I'd say over. |
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In response to the false claims made by Republican National Committee chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, the Michigan Department of State issues the following statements of fact:
Michigan’s elections were conducted fairly, effectively and transparently and are an accurate reflection of the will of Michigan voters.
The erroneous reporting of unofficial results from Antrim county was a result of accidental error on the part of the Antrim County Clerk. The equipment and software did not malfunction and all ballots were properly tabulated. However, the clerk accidentally did not update the software used to collect voting machine data and report unofficial results.
Like many counties in Michigan, Antrim County uses the Dominion Voting Systems election management system and voting machines (ballot tabulators.) The county receives programming support from Election Source. Tabulators are programmed to scan hand marked, paper ballots. When machines are finished scanning the ballots, the paper ballots are retained and a totals tape showing the number of votes for each candidate in each race is printed from the machine.
In order to report unofficial results, county clerks use election management system software to combine the electronic totals from tabulators and submit a report of unofficial results. Because the clerk did not update software, even though the tabulators counted all the ballots correctly, those accurate results were not combined properly when the clerk reported unofficial results.
The correct results always were and continue to be reflected on the tabulator totals tape and on the ballots themselves. Even if the error in the reported unofficial results had not been quickly noticed, it would have been identified during the county canvass. Boards of County Canvassers, which are composed of 2 Democrats and 2 Republicans, review the printed totals tape from each tabulator during the canvass to verify the reported vote totals are correct.
The software did not cause a misallocation of votes; it was a result of user human error. Even when human error occurs, it is caught during county canvasses.
It is also completely false that the county had to or will have to hand count all their ballots. The ballots were properly counted by the tabulators. The county had to review the printed tabulator results from each precinct, not each individual ballot.
As with other unofficial results reporting errors, this was an honest mistake and did not affect any actual vote totals. Election clerks work extremely hard and do their work with integrity. They are human beings, and sometimes make mistakes. However, there are many checks and balances that ensure mistakes can be caught and corrected.
As Detroit officials have stated, hundreds of challengers from both parties were inside their absent voter counting board all afternoon and evening. And even after some left, there were always challengers from both parties in the room. Dozens of reporters were in the room as well. Further, some windows were covered to stop those outside from filming the people and private information in the counting board, while other windows were left uncovered to ensure additional transparency.
As was stated by Chris Thomas, who as a contractor for the Detroit City Clerk’s Office served as an advisor on the execution of this election and led challenger relations, and who is the former Michigan Director of Elections, who served under both republican and democrat Secretaries of State during his 40-year-tenure with the Bureau of Elections, no ballots were backdated. Rather, a clerical error was made when some ballot envelopes were received in Detroit satellite offices. Although employees stamped a date of receipt on the envelopes, an employee failed to complete the transaction for receiving the ballot by saving that date in the Qualified Voter File. Therefore, at the absent voter counting board, after discussion with Republican challengers who chose not to challenge the process, staff was instructed to enter that date stamped on the envelope ensuring that no voters were disenfranchised by the clerical error.https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127--544676--,00.html
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The SCOTUS actually just ordered that ballots received after the statutory deadline should be both kept and counted separately. The SCOTUS ordered "ballots received after election day be segregated so that if the State Supreme Court’s decision is ultimately overturned, a targeted remedy will be available." That's what's happening. Election officials are following the orders of both PA State and SCOTUS. Trump is arguing that they they are already fraudulent and should not be counted and a whole bunch of other nonsense. They should be accepting the ballots, counting them, and keeping them separate from the votes received on or before election day. Here's the ruling: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/20-542_i3dj.pdfAnd no, I'm not being paid to post 'propaganda talking points', silly. Now would be a good time for Trump to go back and read this tweet:  |
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#2 - "PENNSYLVANIA"
Trump: “In Pennsylvania partisan Democrats have allowed ballots in the state to be received three days after the election and we think much more than that and they are counting those without any postmarks or any identification whatsoever.”
The Facts: The state supreme court, not “partisan Democrats”, ordered that ballots filled out before the end of election day could be received up to three days later and still be counted. The US supreme court examined the case and did not stand in the way of the three-day timeframe but may review the matter later. A number of other states have also made accommodations for the additional mailed ballots.
There are currently 5 democrats and 2 Republicans on the PA state supreme court. The constitution is also very clear as to who has authority to set election rules; the state legislatures, and the PA law, that the PA state legislature passed, is clear, votes by mail must be received by 8 PM on election day, not 3 days later. The above is in addition to the other falsehoods in the OP. Both PA State and US Supreme Courts ruled that if a PA ballot was postmarked by election day and received within 3 days after, the vote counted. So, that's what the rule. Even if Trump says otherwise. |
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Will this not all get appealed to the supreme court? Or if the local courts feel there is no grounds for considering a case does it just get shelved there and then with no route to supreme? RG is a high profile lawyer isn't he? Wouldn't be pushing this if he knew there was zero evidence to corroborate ? I don't know much about the legal system.
I mean ruling the observers should be permitted closer to the counters now won't help them see that which they previously missed observing closely enough?
Surely everything contested will need to be counted again under tighter scrutiny.
I don't care which wins that much but surely everything must be observably and unquestionably and strictly by the rules.
This is a closely run and rather important event right?
This shit happens everytime recently. How can this process be so sloppy and open to such abuse?
Who ever wins should do so fair and square.
The numbers are super close in some states.
By the judges reactions to the lawsuits so far, it seems pretty clear that the Trump campaign is literally just making shit up - which isn't surprising in any way. NV “There is no evidence that any vote that should be lawfully counted has been or will not be counted. There is no evidence that any vote that should lawfully not be counted has been or will be counted. There is no evidence that any election worker did anything outside of the law, policy or procedures. Petitioners do not have standing to maintain their mandamus claims.” PA "Having read and considered said petition, all argument and evidence of record, including the evidence presented at the hearing, and the applicable law, the Court finds that there is no evidence that the ballots referenced in the petition were received after 7:00 p.m. on election day, thereby making those ballots invalid. Additionally, there is no evidence that the Chatham County Board of Elections or the Chatham County Board of Registrars has failed to comply with the law." Hopefully GOP leadership decide he's no longer of any value and turn on him sooner rather than later. They got their Scotus, they got a shitload of federal judges, it looks like they held the senate, it's time to take the win and move on. |
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Might want to consider changing thread title.
I suggest:
Donald Chump: a Dimwit Man-Child Lame Duck
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discussing the election itself is on topic. Great I've been wondering for a while why they keep giving intermediate results while counting. Why's that? It's as if they're counting how many more votes they have left to count, and then for each newly counted vote publish the new totals. Why don't they just wait until they're done counting, and publish only the final total? It now seems like they're asking for attention for days, while they have no final data to publish. You have to consider there are hundreds or even thousands of polling locations in each state, they have to open hundreds of thousands or millions of mail in votes, if it's close they have to verify thousands of individual provisional ballots (often times having to reach out to the voter to verify something), and in most cases they aren't even allowed to begin the process until election day (even though people have been voting for months). They release whatever info they can when they can because literally the entire world is wants to know and keeping anything secret is a bad look. There's probably some National Security reason as well, the longer we go without knowing who the president will be, the more exposed to foreign threats...I'm just making that up, but it makes sense. |
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Joe Biden is in the straight way to white house. Many people are worry if Biden will do more than Trump during four years he spend in the office.
If he cleans up most of the mess left behind we'll be happy. |
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Its over when the media says its over.
The media says it's not technically over till one candidate receives a majority of votes from the electors on December 15th, or the House of Representatives chooses the next president. |
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Assuming AZ, GA and PA are done, If Biden takes NV and GA he will have 306 electoral votes.  |
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