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2441  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do some gamblers actually win? on: April 24, 2020, 08:26:20 AM
We all read threads where people say that it is impossible to win against the house because the edge that is always against a gambler.

But often when I am playing dice and I see chat and view stats of some gamblers there are actually some profiles that show profits while some show loss so my question is, do people actually make profits from dice or the stats are misleading or something?

And I am talking about regular gamblers who I mean are active in chat almost daily so it's not like they made profit once and stopped gambling, they are active and gamble almost every day so how some guys are managing profits while others are failing?

Man, every online (i don't know about offline casinos) casino or gambling site always have such "lucky guys". Consider them as Glowworms which trying to attract you to this gambling.

I read a good article about this, from a man who played online poker for too long, but this is two problems:
1. This article was in russian
2. I don't remember where it was

So just ignore such "professional gamblers" because if you see them, then it means that spot of "professional gambler" is engaged in this specific casino, so you have no chance  Smiley



Because of the coronavirus outbreak, there are a lot of people cannot make any play on the gambling casinos because this is one of the most places gathered by the people just to have fun and enjoy the ambiance, fun, excitement, risk, and doubt for every player. Into the world of gambling there are only three people, first is the person who is full of luck, confidence and skilled enough to win all of their games those are the people who already gained a lot of experience on their games they are the one sometimes who conquer the game and we cannot deny by that skills they already gained popularity and hierarchy into the world of gambling, next is the people who always lose on their gambling even you are skilled enough sometimes it is lack because all the time we can face a person who is above on us, next is the person who loves to gamble, risk all thing not just to earn money instead just to look for fun. We cannot tell in every game that a specific person will always win their games sometimes it depends on the luck and skills with that kind of combination you will never experience loose, or not totally lose but still, you have a profit for your games. While you does make into the casino why not in the online gambling it is the same but there is no too much pressure from other players and the watchers or the observers.
2442  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Many cryptocurrencies — how important is that for you in casinos? on: April 24, 2020, 05:22:54 AM
While having the pandemic outbreak because of the virus rapidly spreading the coronavirus 19 and this there is no cure about things and any casino temporary close to avoid the faster spreading of the virus because casino is one of the place that has a mass gathering and this is a good decision too and this kind of home quarantine it is a good time to the platforms or website that is online gambling so still they can play a lot of games that is the same like the casino and also they don't need to get out just only on their homes and play without any pressure today one of the adopted process of payment is the butcoin because it is more faster and does not take any more time just to accept the process of depositing funds that's why many people are using this payment also one of the factor why does the Bitcoin because it has the most profitable market price among the cryptocurrency also there are a lot of gambling platforms that is supporting the use of the altcoins like the ripple and me I prefer for the bitcoin and ripple because those are the coins I always hodl also while the quarantine instead of getting bored why not to play online gambling.
2443  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Has this period killed your desire or exited it on: April 23, 2020, 05:51:47 PM
Because of the pandemic outbreak, many games are getting canceled and one of this is the NBA and many people wait for the moment to watch this again but still, the pandemic virus coronavirus 19 or the covid19 are still up and this is not a good action still we need to take for a long time into our houses and wait to have a cure it is better to follow the rules of the government to avoid getting infected easily also this is the chance too if you want to make some reviews and reply about the players of the team you want also if you want to make wage this is the right time to make some analysis and wait the game begins and support your team while the sports are still not up it is good to you to introduce the e-sports if you want some video games too at least some of the games on there are active and still continuously running to support through LAN games still it is good to become a hobby.
2444  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Reputation at stake will you stop gambling on: April 23, 2020, 03:31:57 PM
for me being a gambler is not a bad reputation and should not be for anyone else if it is not an addiction, indeed I am proud to be a decent player...
You sure you would like it when your friends start mocking you during a group chat or discussion that ""Eh, that guy is making loads gambling on horses and poker, you heard?" You may like that publicity and some people are able to humor it out but honestly when you are in a decent company you would not want these things to be heard or known of, specially if you have a family and children and have an ambition in life to reach something good.
Well for me it's not a big deal to your reputation when you are gambling or being called a gambler. It's not the other people's business when you are gambling, when you are entertaining yourself with your hard earned money. What's bad to your reputation is having a debt to a casino, physical casino and you got your things as your collateral then it expires causing a lot of financial stumble. That is what I think will ruin your reputation as whoever you are.

Of course you are free to use your money in any way you want, it is your money after all. But humans have a bad habit of judging people based on what they are doing. It is not a wrong thing to do but you have to deal with it.
If you keep thinking of what others do think of you then you'll end up nothing you will just stuck there like a nailed piece of wood. Go do what you want without harming anyone, we have freedom for ourselves.

If you having a deal with a high-class person and you want to hide if you are a gambler there is nothing wrong but instead, it is better to show because gambling is not kind action many people love to gamble there is a lot of what-if about being a gambler sometimes it helps you to communicate with other people in this world you can face a few people does not take any gambling games on their full time sometimes having fun with them in a gambling game will good for getting to know each other it depends on you but the most important even you are a gambler is the trust because even you see poor or rich, high class or not, still the trust Is the best important because it's sacred in terms of humanity and once it's break already it is hard to bring back if you want to show your true self go with it because they know you trust them to trust you even you are a gambler.
2445  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: LIST of TOP 10 E-SPORTS SPORTSBOOKS on: April 23, 2020, 11:39:57 AM
Today there are a lot of people who really love to make gambling into the world of e-sports it is the same as the sports betting it consists of the number of games, first 10 scores and what are the possible odd of the game if it is 2-1 or 2-0 game. That was a good list too because you give an introduction for the most common list it is better if you add something like what are the things they need to create some account what are things you need to make deposits and how about the market exchange and the withdrawal process of the items. Also, you can add the list is the VPgame.com and Dota2Lounge those are one of the best and long last into the world of e-sports betting.
2446  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What can we do to minimise the risk in trading on: April 20, 2020, 12:48:53 PM
It is important to understand that trading outperforms most activities.
This is a complex and extremely stressful intellectual work with variables that are sometimes completely unpredictable if we are talking about crypto trading.
The higher your risks - the greater the chance of losing a large amount, so trade a small percentage of the deposit to minimize them.

There are a lot of newbies today having trouble in the world of trading because there are a lot of people who make more money but do not have the capability to make proper trading by that it cause too much loss to their income. One of the basic needs into the world of trading is always spent some time to learn something into the world of trading because this is the most essential thing you need to identify if you are going to make an income or not next if you go into the live trading apply all the learnings you gain and what if you lose? It is good too because failure is the best teacher and a person who experiences losing makes more motivated to do something to pay back their funds. You will better follow the trend too because by that you can get a lot of ideas and what do you need to do. There are a lot of people who make some double their trade when they lose and still it depends on you if you will follow that but for me, it is quite risky because not all the time the luck is yours this may cause double your loss.
2447  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What's your trading strategy? on: April 20, 2020, 09:07:50 AM
One of my trading strategies is making investment while the market price of the coins is low and from the previous weeks the market price of the coins goes down and we called as a dip and by that it is good opportunity to make an investment while the market is low and one thing you should know when you are in trading go for what you can afford because most of the time people now are pushing their selves to make an investment. One of my basic strategy in trading is buying low and selling high because it is faster to make more earnings but take not I used the altcoins to make more profit because altcoins are one of the most volatile in the market and if I want to make more earnings for a long term bitcoin is good also find some application that is suitable for your needs for me I'm using the Binance and also the coinbase because they have good features for trading they always monitor the market price of the coins and also they aware their users with the help of notifications.
2448  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Using Stop Loss in day trading? on: April 20, 2020, 07:46:34 AM
Been using stop loss since I started trading. Amd yeah it can be used in day trading, swing or margin. There are few times I forgot to execute some stop loss and that made my entries being liquidated. Using stop loss can actually be a big help. It reduces your huge loss and prevent from liquidating your entry.
 
 If you are not using it, there is a higher chance that you are going to liquidate your trades because of that reason you have mentioned, "volatile market". Try to execute it in every trades you're going to have. I can tell you it is useful. Afterall, it is not difficult to learn how to use stop loss.


Today there are a lot of people thinking that after gambling is trading is one of the most profitable ways and I think it is not true because trading consists a lot of ideas and strategy to work in because first, we need to have an introduction how does the trading works by that we can learn about the upwards and downward trends of the coin, some of these examples of vocabulary is the bullish market, bearish market, resistance and support those are the common things you will hear while you are in the introduction of trading. Also, it is better if we are going aware of the coin we are going to use when we make trading because sometimes people use the bitcoin for short term trading that causes losing their trade too.
If you are going to make a trade for short term trading like daily, weekly, and monthly go with the altcoins and if you want for a long term investment goes for the bitcoin this may help you a lot to make earnings. Next, find some trading platform that is suitable for your needs because it can help you see them updated on the market price sometimes many people use the candlestick because it is easier to identify the movement of the coins. If you always fail your trading it is better to make a lot of analysis so you may easily identify what are your mistakes to avoid next time trades.
2449  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: List of Trading Platforms. on: April 20, 2020, 01:14:37 AM
Good to see towards on that list because today there are a lot of people and especially newbies are looking for a trading platform that is suitable to their needs and to make more profit easily. For me, I used the coinbase and the yobit exchange for a long time and it has good features why I made my trading more easily like in the Coinbase they have an application that helps me a lot what are the updates of the market piece because they notify every time of upwards trend and downward trend what is happening in the coins also they have the most efficient trading because it is has the fastest exchange all the time and this is why coinbase gained reputation too. In yobit even they have an application but still, they not have a good review on then so I keep using the website base to make easier to use and also they updating different features today like the marker price of the coins if this is gained or lose also they have a new feature if you buy some coins and then you're pending after the transaction is done there are prompt to go up that your trade is successfully now.
2450  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: My trading strategy on: April 19, 2020, 04:09:56 PM
A good strategy to becomes more observer in terms of having trading because some of the mistakes of the newbies today are making some trading without enough knowledge and not too much observable into the world of trading and some of them are just making invest.. invest and another invest in trading without hesitation and doing some stuff to make sure their profit will become successful. One of my trading techniques too is with the use of the buy low and sell high even it takes for a long run to make more earnings still it becomes effective on my way to make more profit, some of the time I made trading on altcoins because they have the most rapid changes in terms of market and I'll go for the bitcoin for a long term trading because the market of the bitcoin does not make any changes too much every week. Still, it's up to the trader how does it will run if the trades become successful or not.

I personally don't like to trade over the daily and hourly timescales, I'm more of a swing trader that takes advantage of longer-term price movements.

I actually use a variety of indicates to buy in, but one of the most common is the relative strength index. When this goes deep into the oversold territory for a major asset I'll receive an alert via tradingview and then asset the market manually.

If I like what I see, I'll buy in and hold for 3 to 6 months.

Today there is a lot of help with regards to the application we are using because they always notify us when the market price is uptrend or downtrend it depends on you too, the same way I made an investment when the market price of the coin is a dip and then takes a lot of months before I've got my earnings because it takes time sometimes six months to get it.
2451  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Beginner experience. on: April 19, 2020, 02:41:40 PM
A good introduction to making your move into the world of cryptocurrency and into the forum. In the first months or years on your bitcointalk life, it takes time before you realize all the things you need to do and to make a huge contribution to every user and people who has a lot of questions about the thread. Also in my first year into the forum, it takes a lot of struggles how do I need to do to make more earnings of merits but after I realize it is better to make a good post than getting merits because if you know you already helped a lot of people then the merits come don't push your self just to make more merits only go for your goal to help people. If you think you made mistake it is better to keep it up to make more learnings not all the knowledgeable people start that they are already geniuses in the particular field it takes time to study well and what do they need to level up their knowledge. Soon you will reach them.
2452  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is your Satoshi theory? Deceased or alive & well on: April 19, 2020, 01:06:43 PM
Actually, I believe that human nature is such that no one will hide without much sense.  If Satoshi Nakamoto would face criminal liability with a long term of imprisonment or his life would be in danger, then his secrecy and anonymity would be true.  But if there is no danger to this person, then most likely this person has long passed away or Satoshi Nakamoto never existed at all, and under this name a group of bitcoin developers may have been hiding.  And as always, my words are just one of hundreds of thousands of assumptions.

There are a lot of people saying that Satoshi Nakamoto is already died and leave his bitcoin for over the place in the internet and also there are a lot or rumors too that Satoshi Nakamoto is alive and he are just hidden into the world of internet and waiting to the right time to show again but on my side I think he are still alive and manage and control the market price for over the time because a creator is always a creator even you already got a final project and development on your creation still you need to control and manage this too because it takes a lot of updates and maintenance on the process to make sure it is stable and does not have many errors and bugs.

For me, this whole Satoshi story looks very political. After all, while we believe that Satoshi is not one person but a group of people, the impression is created about the features of Bitcoin as an international means of interaction between people. But as soon as we find out who exactly is behind its creation, and if some structures are involved in this, then bitcoin may lose some of the people's love due to media attacks on it.

There is a chance Satoshi Nakamoto is a group too because a developer and a genius and computer programming cannot handle this kind of huge number of programming systems and it is hard to handle this kind of many users and transactions happens with the use of their creation.
2453  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin for blind people on: April 19, 2020, 10:49:33 AM
I've been into Bitcoin for quite a few years, and I'm impressed to see how far it has reached in the mainstream world. It's the most widely-adopted cryptocurrency for decentralized payments worldwide without the need for a middleman. In its current state, Bitcoin works wonders for ordinary people like you and me. It's only a matter of putting the right BTC address and the number of coins to send to get started using the Bitcoin blockchain.

However, my concern is how blind people are able to get used to Bitcoin? To my knowledge, wallets (either with a GUI or CLI) don't have "text-to-speech" features to make blind people's lives easier. It'd be great if developers keep blind people in mind to help increase the adoption of the pioneer cryptocurrency in the mainstream world. The only thing I've found is an audiobook of the Bitcoin whitepaper which is a great solution to introduce blind people into the "mechanics" of Bitcoin.

Any thoughts? Huh
Bitcoin and other crypto currencies are not yet ready to serve everyone as it needs to solve first it's problems like what you have mentioned, blind people can't use bitcoin yet if it will implemented as the main payment system. That is only one of many problems that bitcoin will face in case it will be use as main payment someday.

If we are going to compare the fiat and bitcoin, fiat will be a lot simplier for blind people to use compare to bitcoin even if it can provide a mechanics that will convert speech to text and vice versa. But a solution will likely to be provided in the near future where everyone can easily use bitcoin and other currencies without any difficulties as we are continuing to develop our technology.

The @OP want to make a suggestion about the bitcoin use by the blind people and today it is not capable to suit this kind of development because today the use of the bitcoin is into the world of the Internet even we have a lot of devices that supports the people with disability like the sensor it is hard to make a speech program to make some trading and investment to the market of the bitcoin as we see it takes a lot of learnings and experience before we get some earnings into bitcoin also you must need to monitor the market graph also the movement of the coins, some how if the person can handle the speech voice only to make trading it is good but if it is not it can be stressful to the user to make investment on bitcoin to the thing they did not see if the movement is good or not still it is in the capability of the developer and the group project if they want to push this kind of movements.

As I was reading the thread, I realized how the accuracy was on point. I mean, this type of field and opportunity isn't just for those who are aware about these with their naked eyes, but also, for those who are not.

For a person to reach this type of concern is... Wow..

This kind of project will takes time to make because it is all about voice activation and also the infrared sensor to make sure they will really help the users to do the thing they want to their bitcoins.
2454  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is the dream of crazy on: April 19, 2020, 08:23:42 AM
I can't how other people would like to play some trick to a person you know nothing. It is really sad but it becomes more when we keep ourselves unaware of what we are doing. That is why we need to become knowledgable so no one could hit us and underestimate us. And I can't really take this one...and this gives a big hint for everyone especially giving trust to the people who can't also be trusted.

Before when bitcoin are still not too popular many people getting an attempt to make scams because it does not already get any reputation if it is profitable or not. By the time comes after we are getting more experience in the world of cryptocurrency we face now different challenges and become skilled and knowledgeable about the things we are doing. Before when I was a newbie into the world of bitcoin there is a friend helps me a lot what do I need to do to make earning and he always said is always make some research and pay attention to your works bitcoin is not just an earning platform it is good for strategy too to make more profits.

It can be on both side the people who have earned millions in bitcoin it can be a crazy dream but who have in buy on higher in late 2017 might be in some loss here but over all when anything with limited supply and more adoption price will definitely will higher in future. At present time also anybody who will buy under 5000$ might be a crazy dream ahead for them. All in one you should look any business in this world very closely not as crazy dreamer.

From that year that the bitcoin becomes popular and getting richer immediately by just having investment many people today want to join too and would like to make more income by that year of 2017 after the bitcoin falls they saw the potential of this coin to make another profit but even it takes for over a years they continuously making an investment on it until the market price goes up again and now the halving is coming there is a chance that the bitcoin beat it's highest market price again.
2455  Economy / Economics / Re: Chinese Strategy? on: April 18, 2020, 04:02:47 PM
Chinese strategy? we will never know before there is a secret investigation...
all our suspicions are natural because so many irregularities that occur in China as if they have prepared themselves, especially the speed they build a hospital with COVID patients in just 3 days, we need a secret investigation to them, to be able to prove all the irregularities that occur.

One of the most affected country in terms of the pandemic outbreak is starting on the place of Wuhan, China after the world knows this kind of pandemic virus they make rules or law and regulation to lockdown some places on their country and inside the china, they lock down their cities too and some people getting evacuated into other places far away from the ground zero of the china and after a few weeks there are a lot of news came from the travelers of the china came from the different countries they did not expect that the virus will spread rapidly even the person infected does not have any symptoms at the first few weeks of the virus, after that, it is now becoming the widely pandemic virus. But still, there is a hoax came from the china because even they are the states of the virus they made cure immediately and if you are trying to check China has one of the most people get cured and recovered and this is the most suspicious thing so they made a lot of rumor about this, after the china release some news about they are now fully recovered still it is not true because some of the people leaking the information that there is a lot of people are still infected on their country and it is hard to identify which is stating the right answer about the situation of the China and the world if it's just a market strategy or not.
2456  Economy / Economics / Re: Internet would become the most expensive commodity in the world. on: April 18, 2020, 02:48:23 PM
Good argument but I don't think that Internet will become the most expensive, on the contrary, I believed it will become more cheaper as we advance this technology. Today I'm paying around 25$ for a 10 Mbps. Yes, you might say that this is expensive basing on the speed as compare to other countries. But I used to pay $50 back then just like 10 years ago, and back then the service has horrible, and the company has a poor service.

But with the advent of latest trend, and more companies joining the picture, services here become cheap because of competition. Actually you can see a lot of marketing in the streets trying to lure someone to get out of their current services provider and moved to the new and latest and fastest provider. Although, I'm locked for 1 year, which I just renew every year. They even offer me some Iphone (old model obviously) just to keep me with them, Lol.

If we are talking about great innovation and I think this is the internet, internet is a failed military mission or plan that use to connect into other lines but it failed after a few years some one improve the concept and now we are using the one of the essential thing today in the world that is the internet, for me internet are not the most expensive one in the world instead Internet is free if you mind @OP one of the thing why does the internet becomes expensive it is just because we are paying the connection of the cable from different countries if you are in U.S they have a good internet but if you are just in the S.E.A it has limited internet providers so they can conquer the world of the internet, most of the time internet now is one of the tool we need to use nowadays, all of the gadgets we have need to work in the internet, even about researching it is more on Internet and we rely now in the Internet it is a huge impact of the internet will gone, it becomes a catastrophe.
2457  Economy / Economics / Re: returning to normal on: April 18, 2020, 01:40:49 PM
I think if this virus continues to drag on, we might see the old superpowers collapse and thus the creation of new first world power house in Asia specifically China. As we know they have already solved the corona virus crisis and taking advantage of global turmoil to pursue their territory expansion in the West Philippine Sea. I dont know if this is all part of their plan because there are rumors that they already have the vaccine.

After a few weeks that the pandemic outbreak coronavirus spreading there are a lot of people getting affected and this is not quite good even the transactions for over the world getting temporary close because they need to make sure avoiding getting cases of the virus. Today still there is no cure but there are a lot of people getting recovered on this virus and this is good because by that they can now make a vaccine on the plasma they've got to the people who already recovered on the virus. Still it takes time before the world becomes recover again because there are a lot of cases and the number of people getting infected are still increasing.

It won't be that easy to make everything normal again. People will still maintain distance. A "fear" will still work inside them. They will think twice before making any kind of contact with anyone. I am talking about those who are responsible. But then there are those irresponsible people out there. They are the ones who will act like everything is normal and nothing has happened.
Fuck, I miss this "normal" life.
All of us have hope for sure that this crisis should now be over and our life will back to normal but the problem is the poor system of the governments especially in the 3rd world countries. Those 3rd world countries are in at risks because of their not good medical facilities and also personnel. It seems that it will take a long time to return in the normal life that we have before. This crisis did economy collapsed so for sure that every governments will have a hard time to return in our normal state like what we have before.

It takes time before the world becomes back to normal and if this kind of crisis will last long for the coming weeks or months this is become vast impact to the people it may cause of lack of supply of foods, they need to stop work and some of the country today are having some no work no pay and some of them does not have enough stocks of foods to last long in this crisis and one of the solution is to get out and find some foods.
2458  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin halving real or just a theory?? on: April 18, 2020, 12:35:47 PM
Uhm yes it's real? It isn't a theory but rather a fact. Even if we take into account how people are using cryptocurrency today, even if everyone literally started using Bitcoin for everyday use, even if fiat was replaced by fiat, Bitcoin halving is an event that is already in the system that will happen a 100%. That is unless you cut off the internet around the world where no one would be able to connect to it. Just imagine it being a line of code that is set to happen once a set of records/actions is observed.

The bitcoin halving is real and this is not a theory only because from the previous year of the bitcoin halving from the year of 2016 the blocks of the coin cut out into half to make sure it is balance and not cause of too much inflation that really affects the market price of coin by just applying the basic rule of supply and demand if the coin supply of the coin is too much this may cause of falling the price of the coin and this is vice versa this kind of event will happen every four years to make all things balance. One of the target of the creator Satoshi Nakamoto is make the bitcoin block 0 btc but it takes too much year's for over 2100+ year.

BTC halving is for real and it is conducted once in four years also it's already been scheduled to take place in the mid of may, well the past halvings inspired as by celebrations I am sure even this time it will bring back fortunes again. The halving may bring new market entrants and the past history we have seen price surge I expect the competition among miners would be getting intense.

When the halving is coming many people will make more want to mining because the market price of the coin have a huge income and this is a good thing to make more profit. This time the miners are one if the most profitable earniners if the halving comes.
2459  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Corona crisis will be used to implement mass surveillance, BTC to the moooon...? on: April 18, 2020, 04:24:02 AM
Mass surveillance won't yield much results since not all countries has accepted bitcoin. The fate of crypto will be highly decided when this global pandemic is over. It's not yet time to exaggerate what the outcome will look like. Let's be hopeful that things turns out good

Today still the virus are spreading it is better to become safe and one of the best way today is adopting the use of the blockchain or the cryptocutrrncy because the virus today can now attached to the physical money and we all know that the money is one of the dirtier thing because different people are using this and sometimes we don't have time to make disinfecting on it that's why today there are a lot of people trying to use the bitcoin to make more safe about this virus, still it is good to buy bitcoin today because the market price of the coin today is low and it is good to make earnings while the halving is coming.
2460  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Google has removed 49 cryptocurrency wallet browser extensions! Good move? on: April 17, 2020, 04:23:02 PM
the right steps to make using chorme safer. Indeed, many phishing extensions that steal user data, especially private keys, are very sensitive. Users of the crypto wallet will lose their assets if the private key is successfully retrieved with the help of the extension.

As chrome users who use third-party extensions must also be vigilant and look for information before installing a secure extension.


It is a quite good movement of the google that they are trying to remove some extension relayed to their corporation that is not legit and authentic today there are a lot of people now are supporting the use of the bitcoin and to encourage them to make more support they need to retain only the cryptocurrency that is really paying some attention to their users and customers because this is the reason why the users want to use those extension and because of earning if they didnt get any payment on these platform they will not trust the platform again and the cryptocurrencu and may cause of spreading the news rapidly that has impact to their earnings too.
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