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2561  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Importing a transaction and signing it with an address in your Electrum wallet on: April 28, 2015, 12:21:13 AM
https://electrum.orain.org/wiki/Cold_storage#Get_your_transaction_signed
2562  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Baltimore burns. Why? on: April 27, 2015, 11:56:52 PM
"Gun control" is working in Baltimore, keeping all law-abiding, sober, mentally-sound victims defenseless so rioters are safe.
2563  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is Hillary Clinton Trustworthy? on: April 27, 2015, 10:19:32 PM
I trust Hillary Clinton to be/do evil.
2564  Other / Off-topic / Re: Wallet Recommendations (fiat not crypto) on: April 27, 2015, 10:16:07 PM
I can't find my own ballistic nylon bi-fold double ID wallet for sale anymore, but I don't need it to block RFID, so maybe something like:
www.ebay.com/itm/181471433635

2565  Economy / Services / Re: [WTB] Pacquiao vs Mayweather - online stream in HD? anyone? on: April 27, 2015, 01:15:34 AM
BoxNation doesn't have it on their schedule. Probably the HBO/Showtime PPV channels that have licensed the fight want to exclusively stream it live, so nobody else legally can. If you wait a week, it might be reaired on HBO/Showtime regular channels, streaming, on-demand...
2566  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Tweet with #BitCrystals for the chance to win 30,000 bits and 300 BitCrystals! on: April 27, 2015, 01:06:34 AM
http://twitter.com/TheButterZone/status/592494952682258432
2567  Other / Archival / Re: Quickseller, trust abuse, innacurate negative ratings, unprofesional escrow... on: April 27, 2015, 12:51:59 AM
If I was on DT* and had limited time, I would probably subscribe to the RSS feeds or new topic email notifications for most subforums, so I could have a quick reference to new scams being posted for immediate reporting and/or neg trusting... rather than spending my limited time defending myself for even a single second, let alone minutes or hours daily?

*Which I'm not because I can't abide aggressive repeat libelers trying to get away with it by claiming they were joking.
2568  Other / Archival / Re: Quickseller, trust abuse, innacurate negative ratings, unprofesional escrow... on: April 26, 2015, 10:35:10 PM
[...]

the link in your sig doesn't work for me, check it?
BTW, just got neg repped -

Will state it's not true, whatever that's worth Cheesy

Accusations with no proof. Way to silence people...  Lips sealed
Why don't you bother to stop spamming useless posts and read the reference and maybe you will see that the feedback was not something intended to silence him, but rather was given information that I feel is credible that suggests that he is in fact an alt of supa

Post it, faggot Smiley

This is what the ref link points to: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1037815.msg11197886#msg11197886
2569  Other / Meta / Re: Trim or eliminate "default trust" on: April 26, 2015, 08:03:28 PM
PS. The Butter Zone, I like your idea but I dont think its very feasible. It sounds like a feature Ebay will spend half a billion dollars developing in the year 2057.

I wonder if those guys who coded the AI bot that got "arrested" by Swiss police will be happy to be paid half a billion, or mad that they had to wait until 2057 to be paid when they could have my ideas coded in a year. Unless I'm overestimating their abilities and they're about to have criminal charges filed against them because their bot was barely doing anything itself.

I'm talking about the entirety of the system you proposed including the anti fraud scanning features and such.

From what I've read, the optical recognition stuff I described already exists for counterfeit detection (NEC, et al), so no need to wait until 2057.
2570  Other / Meta / Re: Trim or eliminate "default trust" on: April 26, 2015, 09:31:55 AM
PS. The Butter Zone, I like your idea but I dont think its very feasible. It sounds like a feature Ebay will spend half a billion dollars developing in the year 2057.

I wonder if those guys who coded the AI bot that got "arrested" by Swiss police will be happy to be paid half a billion, or mad that they had to wait until 2057 to be paid when they could have my ideas coded in a year. Unless I'm overestimating their abilities and they're about to have criminal charges filed against them because their bot was barely doing anything itself.
2571  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [WTB] BTC on May 6, 2015 on: April 26, 2015, 07:14:03 AM
A contract NOW to buy BTC at $1 in the future is to guarentee you the price.   Yes, you could buy it for $220k now.  But, what happens if price goes to $300 by May 6th.  In this case, you have the option to still buy them for $1 each.   So, it's not flushing $220k down the toilet if BTC actually goes up.

Nope, I still do not understand buying 1000 BTC for $220/$221k and calling it buying BTC for "$1 each" when $220,000/1000=$220/BTC no matter what point in time the numbers and functions are entered into a calculator.

So, you don't want a contract or option.  if the price goes to $1 per bitcoin by that date, you could then buy 1000btc for $1000 at that time.

I could because the contract would specify the payment method, date, amount of BTC, price for that amount of BTC, my BTC address, etc. Again:
there was no "if", nor will there ever be an "if"

just like you could buy 1000btc for $220k now (not really since it would be closer to $230k)

I can't buy 1000 BTC for $220k now. Someone else could, who actually has $220k.

Your post was unclear, so I tried to clarify what you're asking to do.

If this is how you try to "clarify", I can only imagine the hellscape you would paint in art school when directed to express the solution to 2+2=.

Sure, you can delete my posts, but that would make your thread more unclear again.

Maybe I'll leave them up as a monument for unclarity, after all.

Just out of curiosity, how would this work? The person who signs the contract with you would have to sell them even if market price is $1,000 and you would have to purchase even if market price is $0.01? Any collateral or other type of guarantee must be provided?

I don't think either of those price points are likely on May 6 2015, but yes, they could make $0.99 USD/BTC profit off me as I would be bound to $1 USD/BTC.

We will be doing a double-signed PGP/GPG contract (I sign, then the counterparty signs they agree, combined with my signed message). Whoever breaks the contract gets neg trust for the amount of BTC reneged upon, which will be a brutal/suicidal hit to their trust rating.
2572  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [WTB] BTC on May 6, 2015 on: April 26, 2015, 04:17:35 AM
Didn't realize I said something complicated.

To lay it up....

You pay me $220,000 today.  I then sell you 1000BTC on May 6th for $1000.
PS.  You don't need to sign anything.  But, if you want, I would be happy to pay for the attorney.

I do not understand paying $221,000 for 1000 BTC at a rate of $221 USD/BTC when that bears zero relation to my OP terms or any conceivable rate of decline in BTC market price between now and May 6 2015. Someone with $221,000 to flush down the toilet could buy that much BTC right now.

Do you wish to delete your posts or shall I?

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't you post a picture not long ago (maybe a few months) with someone logged into your bitcointalk account and was holding a bunch of $100 bills (it was well over 4 or 5)? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Please describe this in more detail, or link to it.
2573  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [WTB] BTC on May 6, 2015 on: April 26, 2015, 04:05:10 AM
Ok.

I would agree to sell you a contract (option) to purchase 1000BTC on May 6th @ $1 each for the price of $220k


I do not sign contracts that have numbers or words in them which only my counterparty and competent lawyers (who I cannot afford) understand.

Do you wish to delete your posts or shall I?
2574  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: [WTB] BTC on May 6, 2015 on: April 26, 2015, 03:58:58 AM
Just want to be clear.

You want to pay $1000 now to get 1000BTC if the price hits $1 on May 6th?
If so, I will happily sign that contract.

Or, you want to pay $1000 for 1000BTC on May 6th if the price hits $1 for 1BTC.

Or, you want to find a contract (option) to purchase 1000BTC at $1 each on May 6th.
- In this case, I would also be willing to sign such a contract; however, my price would be $225k.  Let me know if you need my bank information.

This topic was based on the assumption that the rate of decline of BTC market price would continue to be $10 USD per day (it magically stopped hemorrhaging around the time I posted this topic) until May 6 2015, at which point the market price would reach $1 USD/BTC.

I wanted to sign a contract that on May 6 2015 I would pay $1 USD per BTC for a minimum of 1000 BTC, without regard to the market price (there was no "if", nor will there ever be an "if"). I still want to do so.

I do not sign contracts that have numbers or words in them which only my counterparty and competent lawyers (who I cannot afford) understand.
2575  Economy / Digital goods / Re: Selling 25 dollar gift card (Amazon on: April 25, 2015, 11:35:40 PM
http://btc-priceimg.herokuapp.com/img/20 img tag it:
2576  Other / Meta / Re: Trim or eliminate "default trust" on: April 25, 2015, 11:06:05 PM
Well it sounds like your system would be a good trade feedback system. Although it would not do anything to prevent scams from happening in the first place. For example if a user is offering a too good to be true offer then how is an unexperienced user suppose to know that it is probably a scam? I know that tomatocage often screens people's actual willingness to accept escrow with newbie accounts and flags them with his own account when they show signs of not accepting escrow (e.g. they stop responding). What about people who make statements that they are desperate for money then all of a sudden start to sell something very expensive? What about face-to-face deals and other deals not done within the forum?

Again, the bolded.

Too good to be true offers are received by everyone with email on a periodic basis - advance fee fraud. And in postal mail - other types of fraud. And via the phone. And everyone behind a door that strangers can easily get to, who parks their vehicle in public, or who can communicate with any other human being in any fashion whatsoever. If you don't go through life with the mindset of "trust no one, verify everyone", you will get scammed.

Nothing can prevent scams (on bitcointalk) from happening in the first place other than pre-post/pre-edit moderating all contact methods out of posts and eliminating the private message system, links to instant messengers, etc.

The most favorable description of default trust is "the good" - but logically, you cannot simultaneously have "the perfect" you described in bold: the good but flawed system is mutually exclusive of the perfect system.

It seems that those who illogically defend default trust the most, while hypocritically making "the perfect" the enemy of their "good", must be the ones who come up with

a better system...idea

that ACTUALLY prevent(s) scams from happening in the first place.

ETA: Let's draw an analogy, though I'm not a master at it: you are stranded on a desert island with a laptop, satellite internet, and a cup, but do not call for rescue. You scoop up seawater with your cup and drink it. You do not drink any other water or liquid. You post on the internet that you're feeling worse by the day, describing your symptoms. People ask "what are you drinking?" - you tell them only unprocessed seawater. People tell you that you can't do that without eventually killing yourself. You tell them "but there's all the water I'd ever need to drink right here from the ocean! Screw you guys!" and throw your laptop into the ocean. Rather than heading inland to search for fresh water, moisture-rich foods, you die of extreme salt intake.

Economic suicide is happening everywhere, irrespective of "good" systems. At least TRY to be perfect, even if it's rarely possible to be.
2577  Other / Meta / Re: Trim or eliminate "default trust" on: April 25, 2015, 10:14:42 PM
Seems like every time I turn around there's some issue with default trust.

Maybe all the humans on there should be replaced with versions of that AI that just got released from Swiss police custody, which engage in transactions where they can verify if trust was broken. For example, a PayPal default trust bot sells BTC-equivalent Bitcointalk tokens, ensures the buyer doesn't chargeback for 1 year, positive or neg trust for the risked BTC if they do or don't. A software default trust bot publishes unique coding tasks (that can't be plagiarized) for BTC-equivalent Bitcointalk tokens in various programming languages, then validates the code. Leaves neg trust if code is invalid/errors, removes neg trust if tokens are returned.

Any other ideas?
How would this account for the fact that certain human judgment is necessary when trying to look at if something is a scam or not. The trust system is not a trade feedback system, but is a trust system. This would also not account for the fact that it is not possible to for a computer to know for sure if a trade was successful or not (e.g. buying bitcoin for cash in mail, mailing some physical good to a buyer, etc). It would also not account for things like people who are clearly engaging in trades for no reasons other then to get additional feedback (e.g. clear trust farming)

The bolded bit sounds an awful lot like what your "opponents" have been saying; humans lacking both innate judgement and ability to judge even who should and shouldn't be "trust rangers" - as no human is omnipercipient - still get scammed.

I left off those examples because it would have taken me too long at the time to rough sketch the bot code. However, there a number of virtual mailboxes that operate off http://about.usps.com/forms/ps1583.pdf - a method that could conceivably be used to verify physical item receipt via the bot running a counterfeit check on the scanned bills and object recognition of physical goods shot from the proper perspective. Ultimate disposal of the cash or goods would probably have to be done by the agent in exchange for service credit or conversion to an ACH payment into the bot's account, which I suppose would be used to buy BTC and/or pay for more goods/gigs, or the bot's own hosting fees.

Trust farming could be screened for by having alternate bot usernames or human investigators retest anyone who gets trusted by the default trust bots.
2578  Other / Meta / Re: Trim or eliminate "default trust" on: April 25, 2015, 09:13:25 PM
Like theymos said, feel free to suggest a new system which can replace current trust system. If anybody can come up with a better system, I will support it. Saying "remove DefaultTrust" isn't enough. Come with a better idea...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1031791.msg11150053#msg11150053
2579  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2015-04-24] Fortune: Think there aren't women in bitcoin? Think again. on: April 25, 2015, 01:25:05 AM
What should the BTC unicode symbol replace on keyboards?
2580  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What should the government do to make women start using Bitcoin? on: April 25, 2015, 01:06:41 AM
A fine, which paradoxically, can only be paid with BTC, so once women acquire BTC to pay the fine, they are instantly exonerated from having to pay it.
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