People who have nosy wives will figure out anonymity.  They already have. That is why they don't tell their wives their secret BTC address(es). It logically follows that the entities that have a sufficient economic incentive for block chain mixing will also inspect the technology with a fine tooth comb. Again I don't care, because I only care what speculators will throw their lunch money at. And as soon as divorce attorneys realize that they can inspect the Bitcoin blockchain with technologies already at hand and make correlations to mistresses, prostitutes and camgirls, that dog and pony show of anonymity will be at an end. We both placed a bet on which way this will turn, so either we are both proved correct, wrong or one of us is on the wrong side of it. It's not a big deal--though given your stance, I wonder why you even follow this debate? |
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My point (and you missed it) is that people, when they find out the use of a thing, don't need to understand it--they just need to know what it does, and if you would chose a soda machine over https or solid cryptography, while knowing what they do, then you would be a dumbass. Dash's cryptography is flawed, so comparisons to Microsoft are ridiculous.
So what you really said logically is that the only people who will buy anonymity are those who understand and trust how it works. Or speculators who are speculating on speculators. That is why the market for privacy will be the serious users who have the resources and motivation to understand the technology. Soda machines do not address that serious user target market. Does Cryptonote? Seems there is a loony tune over at Reddit who thinks not. As for myself, I am sticking with the more certain target market of lunch allowance speculators. The wise here seem to have also come to that same conclusion. People who have nosy wives will figure out anonymity. |
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Saying that people need to know about something (or understand it) in order to use it or want it is a pretty ridiculous statement and here are some examples why:
People must know about the existence of something, must know what is that thing, must know what's the purpose of that thing, and finally must have some basic understanding of that thing to be able to use it. Would you rather have a soda machine or https?
Would you rather have a cabbage or a 4-d printer?
Would you rather have a paper plane or MS HoloLens?
It depends. If I don't know WWW then I not even going to notice https, but most likely I'll use the soda machine. If I don't know what is that big box and what's the purpose of it, I'll turn it to a fireplace to cook my cabbage. Of course hololens! Cool sunglasses mate, a bit heavy tho'...  . And lets not skew what the question really is: would you rather have a non-private digital payment process (that already exist for credit cards) or an already more private process that has been augmented by confidential transactions?
Stop a random bloke on the street, show him both wallets and ask him which one he likes more. Dash didn't invent soda machines that accept digital payments, they just managed to turn one into a billboard.
Yes they turned something to a billboard and illustrated that it's just working in any simple, everyday use case. You see, Microsoft didn't invented the computer or the internet they just wrote some crappy pieces of software what made computers and internet easy to use for average Joe, they've also made a lot of noise around their stuff and they made a fortune. In the meantime DEC what actually invented computers, have made the finest OSes of that time and was around the development of the Internet, crapped out because of the lack of user friendly products and good marketing. My point (and you missed it) is that people, when they find out the use of a thing, don't need to understand it--they just need to know what it does, and if you would chose a soda machine over https or solid cryptography, while knowing what they do, then you would be a dumbass. Dash's cryptography is flawed, so comparisons to Microsoft are ridiculous. |
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I am patiently waiting for arguments about how Dash N’ Drink soda machines will change the world. Has all the vending machine excitement from Miami died off already?
Outside this forum very few people have any clue what the heck is a Ring Confidential Transaction, however everybody knows what's a Soda Vending Machine  . This is what I used to tell you guys since ages; even if you have the best freakin' awesome technology on the Earth, it will have little value if only a handful people knows about it, (in addition only small part of that handful knows what they are talking about) . Saying that people need to know about something (or understand it) in order to use it or want it is a pretty ridiculous statement and here are some examples why: Would you rather have a soda machine or https? Would you rather have a cabbage or a 4-d printer? Would you rather have a paper plane or MS HoloLens? People don't need to understand a thing (or even know what it initially is) to want it more than something that's been around for decades--one youtube video can demonstrate enough of what it is and show the consumer what it does, the latter being the more important quality for most people. And lets not skew what the question really is: would you rather have a non-private digital payment process (that already exist for credit cards) or an already more private process that has been augmented by confidential transactions? Dash didn't invent soda machines that accept digital payments, they just managed to turn one into a billboard. |
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Aeon: Tomorrow's Money... Today.
That works. |
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He has also been issued a Quest, which might have something to do with avenging his enemies who stole his things and almost took his life...
I have just the sword for that.  |
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Meeting in White Cross
We arrive in White Cross and greet the Marquees Noms and the men he's gathered for support. It's been a long, hard ride, but we are anxious to know if there is a dragon (or dragons), and if are they are the monsters supposed by those from the West or helpful and wise as supposed by those from the East. Noms entertains us with stories of fire-red rubies and great volcanoes that spew fire towards the sky--I can only imagine the coming days and weeks will bring untold fortunes of new experience.
There's no news from my specialist traveling south, but the Troll we were interrogating said the sea was black as coal and the southern land pregnant with riches. I wonder which news is more fantastic, but hold out hope that Plath's destiny is one of wealth and expansion.
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Does anyone know what the logo on the stripper bikini is? It looks like the Dash logo but it is very blurry.
BRB need to zoom and enhance Because Research.... Given its location, it probably reads dash dispenser. |
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You don't see Anonymous having to explain to people that a member could be discovered and therefore not be anonymous--if you get too nit-picky, you'll probably end up choosing something that's factual but meh on the cool scale.
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The Interrogation
We had been beating him all night. The filthy Troll had been trying to bribe Plathians to spread dissent among their friends and steal arms from our barracks. It wasn't a very good plan and we had caught Trolls before and they usually offered up a bunch of useless trivia when pressed for information -- but when we pressed this one for something useful, he uttered six words that changed my life,
"There are Dragons in White Cross"
I could barely contain my excitement. I ordered my MSG (an excellent tracker) to find the best sharp shooter we had and load up three horses with enough provisions to get us through the summer--we're going to White Cross.
He also mentioned that there is coast to the south of us, so I sent a SPE2 on horseback to gather intel--not to downplay the importance that new trade routes are for the future of Plath--it's just it's a dragon!
A MSG, a CPLM, and myself will be driving our horses hard into the night on our way to White Cross to meet the Marquees Noms and plan for this historic hunt.
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Pucker Up!  |
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CK is supposed to be a retro virtual reality game,isn't it? Then why the only thing we can do is buying and selling from agora marketplace and see a dotted 2d map? I know that rpietila said that are many modules to come but he should update us more frequently about their progress.
At the moment Crypto Kingdom is a very boring game,no offense,but you have almost nothing to do on it...
From a free-play perspective, you're right. Most of what happens takes place on IRC, or in the storylines here, and most of that is dedicated to county play. You're playing at a time when the infrastructure is being built, which means you are guaranteed a few opportunities that others won't when the game's design is "complete," but also that you have to deal with a game that isn't playable in the play-through sense (IE you can't walk around and do stuff). It will get there, you just have to be patient and let the design take shape. Hope you stick around and remember fondly (or not so fondly) when all you could do is trade stuff and CONSUME CAN. |
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When is the gameplay coming up?
From a game perspective, it's already here--you have elements of RPG and strategy gaming taking place every day. Now, if you are talking about 3-D graphics, that's another story. |
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I've also noticed that Monero has been inserting itself in numerous Wikipedia pages. Here is an example: Other platforms which refute Zooko's conjecture, include: Twister and Monero OpenAlias.
Monero seems to have not understood that willynilly promotion is useless without a marketing strategy. I seem to remember that FluffyPony ran down the list of thing Monero wanted achieve marketwise as a complete privacy hub (I'm sure hub is not the word he used), but the point is that private transactions and openalias are parts of a broader design. Judging its marketing based on what's transpired so far is akin to judging Netflix when they were only doing mail order--there's a plan and specific market (those looking for end-to-end privacy solutions), so you are most likely jumping the gun on any pronouncements of failure. |
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My point is if they have no clue where they are headed marketing wise.
 Coming from the person who brought us knife fork and plate coin. Thanks for proving me correct. Graphic arts is not marketing. Try rereading my post to understand that I pointed out Linux's marketing was the identification of a synergy with a natural need of corporations to replace proprietary operating systems. Monero's current technology does not synergize with corporations and private block chains for corporations is the only viable (legal) market I see for anonymity. Thus Monero has failed to do the most basic marketing analysis that one does before starting a project. Those who confuse marketing with promotion exemplify their total lack of knowledge of the field of marketing. As you well know I explained in the Aeon thread that I was brainstorming and produced that image in 30 seconds as a way to exemplify what didn't work visually and why. Monero/Aeon community only know how to attack and never to listen, learn, and be receptive to all open source input. That is why your coin projects will crash and burn. Cryptodromeda's point may be that you miss the obvious sometimes. And design work is part of marketing. |
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I can post the IRC log but it's long and rather pointless.
I personally would prefer to read the transcript than your one-sided summary of what transpired. Plz don't be offended. If you can't produce it, then it didn't happen. I edited my last comment.. i re-offer my deal with you guys And i will see if i can dig up that IRC log and put it on paste bin or something maybe. I didn't think anyone would want to read a looong argument between me and smooth EDIT:The previously mentioned chat log with smooth from IRC 2 days ago.. http://pastebin.com/V5EUay2uSome people just don't agree with you or your methods, not sure why you have to plaster 5 threads about it. The comments from that transcript that stuck out for me are: [02:21] <smooth> you know who else fucking donated to help support development?  00[02:21] <Spoetnik> ifi wanted to bury your crew i would eh [02:21] <smooth> me, you idiot [02:21] <smooth> and most of the other developers 00[02:22] <Spoetnik> all i would have to do is compare you comments from round 1 to round 2 [02:22] <smooth> out of our own fucking pockets I believe the Monero/Aeon folks put a lot of their effort, time, and money into Monero. I sincerely feel empathy for them when reading that. I know from my own failures, how painful it is to have to admit that such enthusiasm didn't work out as planned. Being able to take the axe to the desks as I once did, walk away and start fresh is much more efficient than hanging on to the umbilical cord until the placenta has dried and shrivelled into shoe leather. It is difficult for me to only feel empathy, because their entire overriding philosophy of dominating a sector by stealingadopting Bytecoin's source code and then bashing in anyone's head who tried to argue that the model of socialism they were adopting for a business model was deeply flawed. I have now come to the conclusion that these are guys who are smart in coding, and had some experience at running businesses or being contractors related to computer programming but when they hatched this braindead idea of Monero they were trying some idealistic fantasy and out-of-their-competency/experience level. Perhaps some of these guys have contributed to the Linux kernel or otherwise felt they understood open source development and could apply it here. One of the key differences from Linux is that crypto currency serves primarily speculators unless one invents a design to serve actual adoption markets. Linux was competing over the long-term with proprietary OSes and so many businesses had a compelling interest to fund and join in its development. I have tried to explain to Monero that until they get an adoption market targeted to businesses (given they have no chance in hell of marketing directly to the masses, because their historical experience makes them unqualified), then they will not be able to apply the Linux business model and instead will be in this circle-jerk business model of greater fool, zero-sum speculation community morass that causes them to feel they need to ill-treat other developers and marketers such as myself. The brow beating and censorship on forums will never inspire great innovators to join them. All-in-all I want to emphasize I don't dislike smooth. He helped me and has been enormously empathetic to my illness. I don't wish any ill will or outcome for him. I just have concluded that he and I have different areas of expertise and experience and so much so that it makes us incompatible when evaluating the best vision for running a crypto project. The Monero Devs are developing the tech first, market second and are using the motto of "under promise and over deliver," whereas it seems you are working under the motto of "Over promise, say it's impossible and then move onto the next idea," which is still better than the dash motto, "Over promise and say you've got a better idea when most people figure out that you lied or can't deliver." |
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SCIentific Projects for Consideration
Research for immediate consideration based on reports from the Nobles by category. I would classify the Defense and Health as top priority with Infrastructure an ongoing project to improve mobility in the lands.
Defense
- Weaponry improvements (underway with the Soul Expedition and arrival of Mercs)
- Cavalry tactics
- Combined arms
- Medium Cannon
Infrastructure
- Road building
- Carrier Pigeons - Communication
Health
- Crisp Bread
- Food storage and transport improvements
Industry
- Mining
- Lumberjack
General Science
- Astronomy
Because the cost of building roads is quite high, it might be a good idea to research GRAVel with SCI, so we can make roads that are cheaper. I'm on board with anything that reduces costs while increasing our ability to conduct business, feed the masses and wage war. Roads seem to be one of those basic improvements that lends itself to improvements in almost all aspects of gameplay. |
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