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261  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 06, 2015, 03:29:48 AM
Winkie ETF is a long way away, if it ever does happen. The Gemini exchange needs to happen first. Gemini exchange doesn't launch without Lawsky's regs.

I am quite curious as to what happens to GBIT once someone finally puts an ask in with their shares. While the volume of bids at this point is negligible, the interesting bit happens once they start getting filled. The longer those bids at $350/btc sit unfilled, the more bullish things appear (contrary to bears and trolls saying it's dead). It seems likely that no one can sell shares at this point. We don't see immediate action as these shares travel by post, secretaries, and primate entry. It's even slower than I expected.

There has to be at least one BIT investor with 12 month shares that is willing to sell at a 30% immediate gain. If not... that's even more bullish.

My understanding was, shareholders will first be able to sell sometime this week.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102549768

262  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 06, 2015, 01:43:07 AM
Any chance for a poll update:
What day will GBTC trade openly on the NYSE?
-Monday
-Tuesday
-Wednesday
-Thursday
-Friday
-Next week or later.

I know I'll have my trading window up at market open tomorrow.
263  Economy / Speculation / Re: Predict the price of Bitcoin on 1 April 2016 - win CBX (Crypto Bullion) on: April 05, 2015, 02:29:34 PM
Predict the price of BITCOIN in USD on 1 April 2016 12.00 AM (average between Bitstamp & Bitfinex)

I will donate US$25 in CBX Crypto Bullion to the winner, exchange rate from the last day.
300 CBX added by members of their community.
If anyone likes to add  to the prize, please contact and I will write it here. I will payout 100%.

Entree will close on 1 June 2015

I suggest to not use round numbers, first come first served.
You can edit your post until June 1.
Only post once. A second guess will be invalid and the first will be valid.

If the winner does not respond within 1 month after he has won I keep the right to pay the prize to the next best guess and his entree is invalidated.  

This is a promotion to support:
website: http://cryptobullion.io/
CBX thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=951753.0

Was it intentional that there is no clause preventing non-unique guesses?
264  Economy / Speculation / Re: Predict the price of Bitcoin on 1 April 2016 - win CBX (Crypto Bullion) on: April 04, 2015, 11:28:18 PM
$4,120.16  Grin
265  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Trading Simulator] A fun & free Speculation Game - 76 PARTICIPANTS on: April 02, 2015, 08:08:17 PM
I noticed today that the buy and hold price is $80.08, yet the mean score is $82.54.

As a whole, the players in this game are beating the market by 3.07%.  Absence of slippage or trader fees accounts for no more than 1%.  Most conservatively, we are outperforming the market by 2%.  Not the most reassuring when you are down 18% versus 20%, but it's something.
266  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Trading Simulator] A fun & free Speculation Game - 76 PARTICIPANTS on: April 01, 2015, 07:59:09 PM
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102549768

HODL :-)

There's a teeeeensy bit of sadistic pleasure in seeing the Winklevii beat to the punch...again.
267  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Trading Simulator] A fun & free Speculation Game - 72 PARTICIPANTS on: March 19, 2015, 09:23:59 PM
I had thought about requesting it before. At first thought, it would be so easy to add...

One extra column in the spreadsheet for leverage. The gain/loss is then calculated and multiplied by the leverage.

But...it wouldn't work.  People could overextend themselves, and skip the being liquidated part.
And it would be onerous for dnaelor to have to check each price to make sure it didn't go below a calculated 'liquidation price' between the trade.
(Unless there were a way to request pricing data across the trade-start to trade-end range, then request a min(), and if below, the player is broke.)

So it ended up seeming more complex than something _I'd_ want to code...so I decided I'll have to satisfy my leveraging urges in my RL trading.

Woulda been fun though - I bet we'd see an awful lot more broke players Grin
268  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Trading Simulator] A fun & free Speculation Game - 72 PARTICIPANTS on: March 18, 2015, 11:25:35 AM
BUY at $272.51
269  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 13, 2015, 09:34:42 PM
been waiting so patiently for this upcoming dump. i wonder where it's going to stop 282?

$283.05 looks like the first support level. It would fit the volume profile.

Something tells me that this test of $285 is not the long term bottom we are setting in before a rocket launch. It hasn't yet been tested.
270  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Trading Simulator] A fun & free Speculation Game - 68 PARTICIPANTS on: March 06, 2015, 01:36:53 AM
SELL at $277.34
271  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Trading Simulator] A fun & free Speculation Game - 68 PARTICIPANTS on: March 05, 2015, 05:15:57 PM
FWIW, I'm anticipating a bounce to around 274.xx, followed by a decline to our true bottom on volume (whether 180, 200, 220)...then a challenge of 320.
Biggest risk here is that the bounce to 274 happens before this 8 hour window! (But I'm thinking slow climb, 6-24 hours).
Overall, I am LOVING the action in the market these days.  It feels like the actions of setting a true bottom, alongside the necessary sentiment shift of increased confidence and hope (greed).
272  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Trading Simulator] A fun & free Speculation Game - 68 PARTICIPANTS on: March 05, 2015, 05:08:52 PM
BUY at $266.25
273  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Trading Simulator] A fun & free Speculation Game - ACTIVITY CHECK until 03-04 on: March 05, 2015, 01:53:35 AM
re: % vs. absolute gains.

It's the old question: who is the "better" trader? The guy who made a profit of 200% over some time span, but is trading with trivial amounts, or the one who manages to squeeze out a meager, say, 50% over the same time, but did so with a much bigger position.

In "real life", cost of trading factors in heavily, so the two types are sort of incomparable: if trader (a) manages to sustain those huge profits on his small position long enough, he will eventually get to the size of trader (b), in which case they become comparable.

Meh, long story for what I actually want to say: since this is a zero trading cost game (which is fine, it just means it rewards trading often slightly more than real life), and you can trade your (virtual) position identically whether it's 1 BTC or 1000, I'm actually thinking the default order should be percentage gain anyway. (and, no, doesn't make a difference for me personally. I won't be among the first 10 in either case Tongue)


(EDIT) wait... how about:

(current position, USD value - starting position, USD value) / starting position, USD value = relative gains

(current date - starting date of player) in days = playing time

(relative gains / playing time)*365 = annualized relative gains of player <= default sorting order

Someone look over it to see if I made a mistake, bit of a brain fog day....


nevermind, it's BS Cheesy

(EDIT 2) Top 20 if ordered by relative gains (which also happens to be the set of all players with a USD profit currently)



I'll start by saying, there can never be a 'best' ranking. I think the system, as you have it, works great.
Invariably, different people will look at the same data and come to different conclusions. The metric you have - total value (normalized for variable entry times) is about as pure as you can get.

Disclaimer aside, there has been _something_ nagging at me. I went back and read oda's strikethrough, and was amused to see he was starting down the same path I'm going to propose.

The problem?
All these new guys keep coming up to the top, and in a few days, knocks us veterans down in the list.

...except that is not really a problem at all - it is the perfectly expected outcome, given the nature of trading.  Most traders lose money.  The good ones don't _typically_ go posting all their trades publicly, except when posturing.

Naturally, we are all trying to make a profit in the game. But in the long run, on the average, most traders will lose.
It naturally follows that new players will tend to be in the upper rankings, simply because they have not yet played.

One (additional, non-primary) metric that could be valuable is the average rate of change of the size of our holdings per month.

An example.
30 players start on day 1.
20 more players start on day 32.
At the end of two months, we now have 50 players, 30 have played 2 months, 20 have played 1 month.  That makes 80 months of game time.  Let us say cumulatively that 30 players make 5%, and the other 20 players lose 10%.  All told, the average rate of loss per month is -1% (+150%, -200%, net -50, divided by 50 players.)

This value would be calculated, because each individual player only needs three facts, all of which we already have: Their start date, their start value, and their current value.
This allows us to output a derived value for individual rate of change per month.
The raw data can be summed for the playerbase-as-a-whole rate of change.

And of course, just to make it hurt, we could include a few other metrics to compare against, such as:
-The Ultimate HODLER - A rate of change of 0% never doing anything.
-The Blind Squirrel - A random coin-flip decides each day whether to reverse positions or hold.
-Your own trading account's rate of change over time.

274  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 01, 2015, 04:58:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P2FB9Mg_YI

Fyrstikken just did voice for a pretty hilarious new Bitcoin song. 
275  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Trading Simulator] A fun & free Speculation Game - 68 PARTICIPANTS on: February 27, 2015, 06:54:14 PM
SELL at $255.91
276  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Bitcoin Rally Song! on: February 19, 2015, 06:40:55 PM
...yes, it is time.
Bitcoin Rally Song, DO YOUR THANG!!!

Listen to for free Bitcoin Rally Song. It and several other pieces - many Bitcoin-related, some original performances of orymh - are available for your listening pleasure, or for purchase with Bitcoin.

http://orymh.com/index.php?page=BitcoinStore

277  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Trading Simulator] A fun & free Speculation Game - ACTIVITY CHECK 18/02 - 20/02 on: February 18, 2015, 02:28:13 AM
BUY at $243.96
278  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Trading Simulator] A fun & free Speculation Game - 66 participants on: February 14, 2015, 10:07:42 AM
SELL at $247.47
279  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Trading Simulator] A fun & free Speculation Game - 65 participants on: February 13, 2015, 04:13:16 AM
BUY at $224.48
280  Economy / Speculation / Re: [Trading Simulator] A fun & free Speculation Game - 63 participants on: February 09, 2015, 09:18:55 PM
SELL at $221.80
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