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41  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Bitcoin Rally Song! on: March 15, 2017, 11:19:46 PM
Crap. Now it's playing at double speed.
42  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 09, 2017, 03:24:54 PM

There is nothing in the SEC rules stating that a rule change cannot fall on the weekend. It states that for other things, but not for a rule change. If nothing happens Friday, the rule change is approved.


I thought that too, til I saw this:

https://news.bitcoin.com/secs-first-bitcoin-etf-deadline-is-actually-march-13-not-march-11/

"The last day of the period so computed [March 11] shall be included unless it is a Saturday, Sunday, or Federal legal holiday (as defined in Rule 104), in which event the period runs until the end of the next day that is not a Saturday, Sunday, or Federal legal holiday."
43  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 09, 2017, 02:56:32 PM
Anyone else refreshing btctalk all day?

why?

ETF decision will 99.9% sure not come today.

When do you anticipate it, tomorrow?

Will likely be the 13th

I expect tomorrow. Right before or after Wallstreet trading hours. The 13th could lead to some missunderstanding as some are expecting the 11th and with no announcement on the 11th they could be mislead to believe its approved.



The reason you believe it will be the 11th is the same reason I believe it will be the 13th.
44  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 02, 2017, 05:31:14 PM
900 -meh
700 -sad
500-600 -dejected

I think it would 500s for me. I'm far from convinced we've said goodbye to sub 1000 forever yet. It really hasn't been that long since it was surpassed for the first time in a long time. Time will tell.

I don't think there's any question we'll see 500s again. Just look at the charts, you can see it right in the data analysis. This uptick is just an errant burp, that'll be corrected for in the obviously long term downtrend bitcoin hs been in.

Are you sure Elwar didn't post your price prediction?  Grin


45  Economy / Speculation / Re: Trade simulator 2.0 [Fully automated paper trade competition] on: February 26, 2017, 09:35:36 PM
Take or leave all of this...
I'd love to see one of two growth paths:

1. Ability to choose your leverage amount, between say 1x and 10x, when you enter a trade.
2. The existing game remains unchanged, but a second, quarterly competition is added, wherein leverage can either be chosen within the aforementioned range, or at a fixed value to diversify the pack more rapidly for the shorter timeframe.  (Also no/smaller market fee, or no fee for limit orders, also to promote action)

The remainder are technical thoughts:

In thinking about a lowest-impact way to implement leverage...there are two jobs - one easy, one more tricky.
1. Calculate gains/loss at time of trade exit, multiplying effect of leverage.
2. Liquidation check.

1 is easy. Later, an 'interest charge' can be calculated. There's all sorts of things you could simulate, including letting players lend instead of leverage, but that is for later.
2 - I've been thinking on it awhile. You need a way for it to be accurate, but not resource intensive.  For example: If someone goes 10x long at $1000, if the price hits $900, even for one second, you should be liquidated.  It would be grossly inaccurate to only do an hourly check of price, for example.  But you don't want to have to check every price for liquidation, every price check.  Here's what I came up with:

Two single, game-wide values - liquidationLow, liquidationHigh. (These are cleared when exiting leveraged trades)
Every time a player makes a trade of newValue, two additional UPDATEs occur:
a) MAX(liquidationLow, newValue)
b) MIN(liquidationHigh, newValue)

I assume that no centralized job processing currently occurs.
This would need to occur with the same frequency as the price updates.
In the common case, CURRENT_PRICE will be neither below the liquidationLow, or above the liquidationHigh.
When it is, a SELECT can retrieve the players whose liquidationAmount is above/below the price update.
They can be liquidated appropriately, when-and-only-when a liquidation price occurs.

(Once you have a central source determining price, you could always, later, update the clients to just get AJAX updates from source rather than having each ping CoinDesk, but I once again digress :-)  )
Each player can store its liquidation value, and a select can retrieve those players above/below the liquidation value.

TL;DR - Two games - the existing long-term, plus a quarterly with either fixed leverage or the ability to choose. Secondary option, still only one game, but ability to choose leverage per-trade.  Gratuitous technical dreaming ensues.

Love the game, looking forward to continuing to play.
46  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 24, 2017, 01:25:12 AM
Rose to face the sun
The sun was now behind me
Welcome to the moon
47  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Bitcoin Rally Song! on: February 22, 2017, 05:44:27 PM
The song has now taken a life of its own, cranked its volume knob to 11, snapped the volume and power plugs off, and super glued itself into the wall.

It you need to calm down from the Rally Song, this should help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tZ92HPvjzM
48  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 16, 2017, 06:36:06 PM
Sorry, I mean't nobody with coins on Chinese exchanges can dump them on Western exchanges anymore. Those coins on Chinese exchanges are locked out of the worldwide market. They are similar to the coins on Gox before it closed. People are only prepared to buy them at bigger and bigger discounts because they are trapped on an exchange.

Gotcha. This is something my Bitcoin buddies IRL have discussed since the withdrawal freeze.

If all those coins are trapped in China and demand continues to grow in the rest of the world, what will that do to prices?

To me, considerations like this are more meaningful than mere "technical" analysis.

I've been thinking about the same thing. Not sure if it's right, but this is what I came to.  I think we've got two key drivers:
1. The percent chance the market believes funds will be made wholly available no later than March 15th. (depressive force)
2. The opportunity cost of not having access to one's coins for this span of time. (depressive force)

This first point is one that isn't a factor...until it is.  As long as there is faith/trust that things will open on time, this factor will be close to zero. If/once is becomes non-zero, it could grow quickly.
We watched this play out on Gox.  While elsewhere coins had a market value of $413, IIRC...we watched the price gap between GoxBux and other coins spread...$20, $30..$50 spread.  As fear gripped the market in the final hours, price plummeted to just above $100 - over a 75% discount of 'real' coins.

To the second, this won't affect the long term HODLers. But those looking for the short term profits, I suspect, will become increasingly pressured to sell 'while the price is still good'. Those most afraid this 1000+ price point is temporary will feel increasing pressure to sell out of fear.

In the end, it always comes down to fear and greed.

If internationally, we saw prices diverging, and going up...then I think greed would take over, and risk-tolerant investors would inject cash into the chinese exchanges in order to buy 'cheap coins', knowing they will be inaccessible for up to a month, and knowing they run a risk of not getting what they put in.  The extent we see this will be visible by buying volume on exchanges, and would counteract both of the above, depressive forces.



...however, with the ETF decision looming, I don't think we'll see such price divergence, but rather sideways action until the decision.
49  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Very RARE ! Casascius 100 BTC Bar. Unfunded on: February 12, 2017, 03:17:32 PM
There are 17 bar of 100 BTC in circulation ... I have read this infirmation and photo here:

quote author=Chainsaw link=topic=41892.msg11536284#msg11536284 date=1433450019
On thread of casascius

 There remains 17 funded, version one, 100 BTC bars.
There are a larger number of version two bars.

 This offering is not funded, it represents a different, limited offering Mike did. I am pretty sure the mintage is much higher than four, that is just how many we know about.

 I shifted focus a few years back to acquiring the most limited mintage pieces. My long-term view is that if the collectible community fails, it won't matter what the specific investments are. If the collectible community takes off, we will have more collectors, and the goal of completing sets will apply the most pressure to those pieces with the most limited mintage.

 To that end, something like this is a neat buy,   But only as a longer term speculative investment with potentially a complete loss, and also potentially a multiple-fold gain.
50  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 09, 2017, 04:22:06 PM
Today:
Buy the dip
Buy the dip
Buy the dip
Buy the dip
Buy the dip
Sell the bounce
Sell the bounce
Sell the bounce
Buy the dip
Sell the bounce
Buy the dip

Tomorrow:
Sell the bounce
Sell the bounce
Sell the bounce

Net: Same # BTC, a little fiat in pocket. Most likely resuming our upward trajectory. Loving the volatility. Not a bad day.

Jeeze - settle down, guys. Did you really need to extract fiat value from your bitcoin today?

This bloodbath will be over long before this day is. And then we'll resume our inexorable climb. Because -- whether or not they yet realize it -- the people of the world need a form of money that can be emailed p2p, and is free from the ravages of the vampire squid.

Downturns tend to be more protracted than we think they'll be - I'd go with your first call, personally :-)
51  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 07, 2017, 03:08:10 PM
The ETF date is the most interesting part about bitcoin at the moment.  As a regulator you would have to be insane to approve a bitcoin ETF in current state, so if it did get approved it would probably be the government trying to create some alternative target for people to waste their time in and keep them out of the metals markets.  When the current scam system starts to implode, gold will go to at least $20,000 an ounce in current buying power and silver will see even higher percentage gains.  The sooner people figure this out, the faster it does implode - which is why they don't want people creating bull runs in those markets and want to distract people with other things instead.

Someone is going to get all upset that I implied bitcoin is somehow not as good as metals, but by that I just mean that it's very likely metals will have a currency roll again or that the world reserve currency will be metals, while it's very unlikely a nation state or the world reserve currency would be bitcoin.  In fact, it would be a disaster since bitcoin isn't fungible with every transaction traced with white and black lists making it a permissioned ledger in that aspect.  Until/if that issue is resolved, nobody should be wishing for the government or wall street to have any affiliation with bitcoin whatsoever when the odds of it turning into some 1984 scheme are far higher than not.

Bitcoin doesn't come without risk, if the system collapsed for some reason. If it was compromised or hacked. That surely rules it out as a reserve currency. Its a bit intangible with no physical "thing".


I suppose the equivalent in, say gold, is that someone manages alchemy and gold is suddenly 2 a penny.


In our bizarre world who knows which might even happen.

Tell someone 5 years ago their young children will never need to learn to drive a car, most say you're crazy.
Make the same statement today, most will agree.

Today if we claim we will be able to mine an asteroid 100 years from now, and increase the supply of gold on Earth multiple-fold, most say you're crazy.

...Even without considering alchemical solutions, we are nearing the tipping point where the feasibility of asteroid mining will be demonstrated. I believe it is already an eventuality, and merely a question of timing. I think within 5 years, we will have a similar tipping point for the technology required for asteroid mining.

The difference here is that precious metals have no way of transforming their way out of this problem.
Bitcoin's equivalent problem - quadratic computing - does have a solution, through evolution.

52  Economy / Speculation / Re: Top 20 days for Bitcoin on: January 22, 2017, 05:02:03 PM
There seems to be a flexible interpretation of the term "20" at play here.

Today, the value was expressed in log 12.5.
53  Economy / Speculation / Re: GBTC Bitcoin Investment Trust Observer on: January 20, 2017, 04:42:15 PM
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/grayscale-investments-llc-ceases-private-140000550.html

I'm unclear on the meaning of this.
Are they suggesting that GBTC will use a different mechanism for purchasing shares going forward, or that they will no longer be maintaining the 10:1 ratio and instead letting the investment center around the number of coins currently held by the trust?

They appear to be doing some kind of IPO of up to $500,000,000 dollar value, according to the document, and changing the way the shares work.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1588489/000119312517013693/d157414ds1.htm

Quote
Prior to this offering, Shares were distributed by Genesis Global Trading Inc. (“Genesis”), acting as the initial purchaser and sole Authorized Participant, through sales in private placement transactions exempt from the registration requirements of the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the “Securities Act”) pursuant to Rule 506(c) thereunder. After this offering, Shares will be distributed by Authorized Participants. Genesis will not act as an Authorized Participant in connection with the public offering of the Shares. It is expected that the Shares will be sold to the public at varying prices to be determined by reference to, among other considerations, the price of the bitcoins represented by each Share and the trading price of the Shares on NYSE Arca at the time of each sale. Shares registered hereby are of the same class and will have the same rights as the Shares distributed prior to this offering.

In exchange for issuing and redeeming Baskets of Shares, the Trust will receive from, or deliver to, Authorized Participants or Liquidity Providers (as defined herein) a number of bitcoins equal to the value of Shares in a Basket. As of the date of this prospectus, each Share represents approximately 0.094 of a bitcoin.

The Authorized Participants will not receive a selling commission or discount from the Trust in consideration of the distribution of Shares to the public through sale on NYSE Arca. Purchasers of Shares may be subject to customary brokerage charges. Investors should review the terms of their brokerage accounts for details on applicable charges. The Authorized Participants may receive commissions or fees from investors who purchase Shares offered hereby through their commission and fee-based brokerage accounts.

Thank you.  My major concern had been that the nature of the investment had changed, in that they would no longer be maintaining the ratio. On closer reading, that doesn't seem to be the case.

An attempted distillation:
-The price/share ratio is intended to remain the same.
-The mechanism for issuing new shares was reliant solely on Genesis Global Trading, and is now being opened to anyone qualifying as an Authorized Participant.
-Authorized Participants are not rewarded for selling NYSE shares, but are rewarded by selling coins into the Trust.

Increasing buying options while rewarding those offering the coins both seem net positive.

If I got anything wrong, please correct - the formal language is tricky (for me) to parse accurately.
54  Economy / Speculation / Re: GBTC Bitcoin Investment Trust Observer on: January 20, 2017, 03:05:19 PM
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/grayscale-investments-llc-ceases-private-140000550.html

I'm unclear on the meaning of this.
Are they suggesting that GBTC will use a different mechanism for purchasing shares going forward, or that they will no longer be maintaining the 10:1 ratio and instead letting the investment center around the number of coins currently held by the trust?
55  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 20, 2017, 03:04:36 PM
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/grayscale-investments-llc-ceases-private-140000550.html

I'm not sure I'm clear on the meaning of this.
Are they suggesting that GBTC will use a different mechanism for purchasing shares going forward, or that they will no longer be maintaining the 10:1 ratio and instead letting the investment center around the number of coins currently held by the trust?
56  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 19, 2017, 04:02:56 PM
any ideas on why BFX tokens are rallying ?

Possibly a well-timed, internal move to pay down debt with profits.

I just realized there's a new, interesting dynamic in play.

With China losing their leverage, Bitfinex has regained a large attractor.

All other things being equal, I take their chances of reclaiming the role of price leader as net positive.  I wonder how the competing interests of reduced-faith in Bitfinex from the recent hack will fare against the increased greed/strength of leverage.  (Incidentally, I think it'd be a really smart move for them to publicly pay down some of their remaining debt.)

Smarter traders than me keep track of things like available money for loans, short vs long interest, borrowing rates.  Whatever those (leading?) indicators mean, I'd bet they become increasingly valuable.
57  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 18, 2017, 02:27:11 PM
Long term support for the bottom:
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Descending wedge in the shorter term:



Descending wedges are typically reversal patterns, and we would have to break a strong support line to defy expectations upon pattern resolution. The support line will force the shorter term descending wedge to terminate before its forced termination at convergence. The two trends converge by 1/18 14:00.

I am expecting one more leg downwards, constrained by both the wedge and support.
If these hold, then the lowest low would be $686.


Some solid TA for once. Wink Didn't catch that wedge myself

One thing I like about it is, the top of that wedge hasn't really been defined on-volume yet. So one way it could invalidate the short term trend would be to reshape itself into a downward channel, rather than wedge.

...and then we have transitioned into the cup and handle pattern :-)


Having broken on low volume, with no real follow through, this is looking increasingly likely. The case would strengthen greatly if we get a rally which stops on the yet-to-be-defined, resistance line parallel to support.  This is one of those rare scenarios where my short term expected position is bearish, but for exactly those reasons the medium term outlook is bullish.



Perfect timing for a much-needed correction! I expect this range to hold on the downside until breakout.  I'm unsure what kind of ratio of time-in-handle exists, relative to time-in-cup. 
58  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2017, 04:46:18 PM
I just realized there's a new, interesting dynamic in play.

With China losing their leverage, Bitfinex has regained a large attractor.

All other things being equal, I take their chances of reclaiming the role of price leader as net positive.  I wonder how the competing interests of reduced-faith in Bitfinex from the recent hack will fare against the increased greed/strength of leverage.  (Incidentally, I think it'd be a really smart move for them to publicly pay down some of their remaining debt.)

Smarter traders than me keep track of things like available money for loans, short vs long interest, borrowing rates.  Whatever those (leading?) indicators mean, I'd bet they become increasingly valuable.
59  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 15, 2017, 01:57:52 PM

Hey, I've just noticed a pattern that this crash fits into, but it's only visible at very long range.

...

When the pressure-relief gasket blows on these bubbles it always corrects to just below the top of the previous propellor pattern. Same every time but increasing in size. Then there's a period of consolidation, followed by a slow rise, then steep rise and another gasket-blow.



Keep in mind that this pattern will hold so long as our bottom rests anywhere between $789.78 (Finex) and the previous bottom, at $504, changing only the slope.  The cup-and-handle scenario does not violate this scenario, and is extremely bullish.

I'd still love to see fear trigger a bit more of an overreaction to the downside. Rather than cause technical damage, I see short-term down as the fastest path to rally resumption.  

A Chinese New Year's formal announcement by the PBOC, assuaging go-forward fears...that's my dream scenario. I figure if we get some sort of sudden, positive external event like that, we are more likely to resume the rally in the short term. Conversely, if we simply exhaust, the (stronger) consolidative base would rise more slowly over the coming months.



60  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 15, 2017, 12:37:58 AM
Long term support for the bottom:
<pic>

Descending wedge in the shorter term:



Descending wedges are typically reversal patterns, and we would have to break a strong support line to defy expectations upon pattern resolution. The support line will force the shorter term descending wedge to terminate before its forced termination at convergence. The two trends converge by 1/18 14:00.

I am expecting one more leg downwards, constrained by both the wedge and support.
If these hold, then the lowest low would be $686.


Some solid TA for once. Wink Didn't catch that wedge myself

One thing I like about it is, the top of that wedge hasn't really been defined on-volume yet. So one way it could invalidate the short term trend would be to reshape itself into a downward channel, rather than wedge.

...and then we have transitioned into the cup and handle pattern :-)


Having broken on low volume, with no real follow through, this is looking increasingly likely. The case would strengthen greatly if we get a rally which stops on the yet-to-be-defined, resistance line parallel to support.  This is one of those rare scenarios where my short term expected position is bearish, but for exactly those reasons the medium term outlook is bullish.
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