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2681  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is taxation theft? on: January 04, 2017, 10:59:20 PM
Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks. Smiley

Ah but that's very different!
It's not the taxation that is theft, in what you say at least! The theft is in the fact that once they took your money you have no control in it!
The theft is in fact in the theft of your rights. And on this I completely agree of course !
I agree with you. Taxation is an attempt to redistribute income society in order to achieve to avoid food riots. A theft occurs the politicians whom we choose. You may need to choose others?

Right! Look at Venezuela.    Cool

Exactly! Millions are forced to eat literal trash, one of my friends has to ship basic necessities and food out from the USA to their grandparents in Venezuela. Socialism sucks and has not worked anywhere. Just because your two friends vote to take my wallet at gunpoint, it does not somehow make it fair -- it is still theft.  Free markets, free people.


why does socialism work elsewhere except in corrupt nations?

maybe corruption is the problem?

free markets in form of capitalism which leads inevitably to corporatism?
2682  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: January 04, 2017, 10:54:42 PM
so when actually people with guns decide to do something?
usa the land of criminals for the last 100 years?  Undecided

Actually, Australia was the land of the criminals.
The USA was the land of the religious wackos -  and its been more like 397 years.   Cheesy

I only know some part of US history from what i learned in school, but seems you arent off with what you say   Wink
2683  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [GBYTE] Byteball Speculation on: January 04, 2017, 10:42:22 PM
Really today the price of GByte is really increasing so it means byteball is getting lot user base continuity in the markets.I see there is some good things happening in byteball coin just not like pump and dump, this should be happen every time so that many people keep an eye on this. It's better for byteball to list in some more exchanges so that big whales will trade this.

seing it only on a small random exchange with really questionable distribution and someone saying it cant be a p&d i would say we surely have a pump and dump here.
2684  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 04, 2017, 10:34:29 PM
just in case nobody said it yet:

It is Gentleman!  Grin

btw. im short and long this shit is way too dangerous :3
2685  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: January 04, 2017, 10:08:10 PM
so when actually people with guns decide to do something?
usa the land of criminals for the last 100 years?  Undecided
2686  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donald trumphs victory-a cheat on: January 04, 2017, 10:06:47 PM
russia hacked the election for sure.
dont trust the russian communist agents!  Wink
2687  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Please spread this message to the spoiled-brat Millennials on: January 04, 2017, 10:04:28 PM
tbh. i think it is just shelbys bitterness about his life that speaks here.

he should have just stayed in the US or old Europe instead of going into the jungle...
2688  Economy / Economics / Re: The Halving - Good or Bad for Bitcoin? on: January 04, 2017, 09:53:52 PM
in another universe you could have bought 1 million bitcoins for a pizza while unicorns are flying through the sky...

you see that alternate reality?

i'm really asking myself too why we are discussing this LoL

We? No one forced you to join this discussion in the first place

To tell the truth, I knew it beforehand that you would stick like glue to that phrase about alternative reality. I also noted that you can't cope well with the subjunctive mood (used to explore imaginary or hypothetical situations, just in case), which I used quite a lot in this discussion, so it is no surprise that you can't analyze different possibilities and their long-term consequences. That seems to be the reason why you started to claim that the price today would have been the same as in November, 2012, if all bitcoins had been mined back then

What consequences when your speculation has no meaning and is based on unicorns?

It is based on assumptions and explores a hypothetical situation (what if) in respect to what price Bitcoin would have had now if all bitcoins had been mined by previous halvings, i.e. in November, 2012, and July, 2016. If you consider this analysis as pure speculation and the methodology used as based on unicorns, you should first explain why you yourself used the same technique. But don't tell me that it was only to show the erroneousness of this approach since the approach is perfectly robust for the assumptions accepted (i.e. all bitcoins had been mined)...

Basically, you you trying to make the best of a bad bargain as well as make it look as if you were right after all

You still dont realize if we take your method to extrapolate on the 12. november 2012 we would get a price of 6$ which is the exact same thing you did to get your 720$ which is wrong because we know how the price developed.
And that is exactly what i wanted to show and wrote.

Yeah, if we just decided to estimate the price in November, 2012, with all bitcoins having been mined by then, we would get the price of 6$, but you in fact claimed that we would have had the same price of 6$ if we extrapolated it to today. This what you wrote exactly, and no back pedaling this will change that:

So take nov. 2012 price. Extrapolate to today 12$x10/21 <= 6$

If we correctly extrapolate this price to today taking into account all the demand that has built up since then (which is represented by today's price), we will get my values (i.e. over $700 when the price was ~$950 per coin). This is precisely what you are desperately trying to distract the attention from

duh, well of course because you did the same with your 720$ aka 3/4 of the current price. you disregarded the demand for the future 5 million coins too.
additionaly where the fuck are you right? we have more coins from day to day and the price is now at 1150$... 200$ more then 5 days ago.

my counter example is that you only need to use your method on a random date in the past to get a totaly wrong result (i.e. nov 2012 6$) - and you wont be able to talk yourself out of that.

like i said i missunderstood you on a minor part which was the reason for the "several orders of magnitude" because you were talking too much around the bush but that doesnt change on how the results are fundamentally wrong.


2689  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 85.000 copies of Mein Kampf sold in Germany in 2016 on: January 04, 2017, 09:40:51 PM
truth to be told i'm am one of the buyers  Smiley

The new release ("special edition") in book form has a scientific and educational reason. The book includes a lot of additional comments and information.
No uprising and a 4th Reich... yet.


But no need for much conspiracy when people already think that the EU is the new evil german plan for a 4th 1000 year old kingdom  Grin


/edit

here is the amazon link - feel free to support the german economy:

https://www.amazon.de/Hitler-Mein-Kampf-Eine-kritische/dp/3981405234

Cheesy
2690  Economy / Economics / Re: The Halving - Good or Bad for Bitcoin? on: January 03, 2017, 06:56:57 PM
My calculated price was correct on the date of the estimate, i.e. when the price was 950 dollars per coin, just like your calculation was correct in November, 2012. But unlike you, I never pretended that it would be valid on any date following that day. Moreover, I specifically pointed it out that I can't include future demand since, obviously, I can't know what will happen in the future (tomorrow or in a year) and what this future demand will amount to. Today, I can give you a new price which already takes into account the change in demand which has happened since the last estimate. You, on the contrary, claimed that today, and every day after November, 2012, the price will remain the same. Are you now walking back on your words?

Duh. I never claimed that this is correct because my goal was to show that it is not correct.

And i suceeded with it because i could show that your calculations dont picture reality. It is still wrong (not on several magnitudes - there i agree that i misunderstood you) by a lot

In fact, I don't quite understand what you are arguing against

I think I made it perfectly clear that the estimates of what the Bitcoin price might have been if all bitcoins had been mined by the date to which these estimates referred can't possibly match reality just because not all bitcoins have been mined so far. It was only an assumption, an alternative reality, in a sense, but if you need an explanation for that, you may want to ask someone else. I'm not very interested in explaining to you all these things

in another universe you could have bought 1 million bitcoins for a pizza while unicorns are flying through the sky...

you see that alternate reality?

i'm really asking myself too why we are discussing this LoL

We? No one forced you to join this discussion in the first place

To tell the truth, I knew it beforehand that you would stick like glue to that phrase about alternative reality. I also noted that you can't cope well with the subjunctive mood (used to explore imaginary or hypothetical situations, just in case), which I used quite a lot in this discussion, so it is no surprise that you can't analyze different possibilities and their long-term consequences. That seems to be the reason why you started to claim that the price today would have been the same as in November, 2012, if all bitcoins had been mined back then

What consequences when your speculation has no meaning and is based on unicorns?
You still dont realize if we take your method to extrapolate on the 12. november 2012 we would get a price of 6$ which is the exact same thing you did to get your 720$ which is wrong because we know how the price developed.
And that is exactly what i wanted to show and wrote.
2691  Economy / Economics / Re: The Halving - Good or Bad for Bitcoin? on: January 03, 2017, 05:32:45 PM
My calculated price was correct on the date of the estimate, i.e. when the price was 950 dollars per coin, just like your calculation was correct in November, 2012. But unlike you, I never pretended that it would be valid on any date following that day. Moreover, I specifically pointed it out that I can't include future demand since, obviously, I can't know what will happen in the future (tomorrow or in a year) and what this future demand will amount to. Today, I can give you a new price which already takes into account the change in demand which has happened since the last estimate. You, on the contrary, claimed that today, and every day after November, 2012, the price will remain the same. Are you now walking back on your words?

Duh. I never claimed that this is correct because my goal was to show that it is not correct.

And i suceeded with it because i could show that your calculations dont picture reality. It is still wrong (not on several magnitudes - there i agree that i misunderstood you) by a lot

In fact, I don't quite understand what you are arguing against

I think I made it perfectly clear that the estimates of what the Bitcoin price might have been if all bitcoins had been mined by the date to which these estimates referred can't possibly match reality just because not all bitcoins have been mined so far. It was only an assumption, an alternative reality, in a sense, but if you need an explanation for that, you may want to ask someone else. I'm not very interested in explaining to you all these things

in another universe you could have bought 1 million bitcoins for a pizza while unicorns are flying through the sky...

you see that alternate reality?

i'm really asking myself too why we are discussing this LoL
2692  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [GBYTE] Byteball Speculation on: January 02, 2017, 04:07:58 PM
This tread is for speculation not whining about distribution.

Distribution plays a huge role in price finding....
2693  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Wo mit BTC long gehen? on: January 02, 2017, 03:51:23 PM
ich klinke mich mal "kurz" mit ein:
Hat Polo nicht auch eine solche Option?

Altcoin/btc
2694  Economy / Economics / Re: The Halving - Good or Bad for Bitcoin? on: January 02, 2017, 03:48:11 PM
Quote
What you do is just extrapolating based on current price and maximum possible supply.

You did that to get your 720$.
I just exactly did that with the price on nov. 2012 to show you that it doesnt work.

In fact, you did a totally different thing

At first, you calculated how much Bitcoin would be worth in November, 2012, if all bitcoins had been mined by that time, using the same approach as I did (that's true), but then you basically started claiming that the price you thus obtained wouldn't change all these years since then till today. In this way, you have discarded all the demand that has accumulated through these years and brought the price to where it is now. As you yourself now confirm, that doesn't and couldn't possibly work. With this point specifically I fully agree

And you didnt disregard it? As far as i know there are still 5 million bitcoins to mine no?
I just did what you did and showed that it is wrong.

Yes, I disregarded future demand (should there be any) for the remaining 5 million bitcoins which are still there to mine because this demand exists in the future. I don't know how much it might be and whether it will be at all, that's why I estimated what the price might have been today against only 16M bitcoins which are already mined (the numerator in the 16/21 ratio). If I knew what the price would be in December, 2017, I would tell you what it would have been if we assumed that all bitcoins had been mined till then. You, on the other hand, just chose to ignore the already known demand for the time span since November, 2012, through December, 2016. And claimed that the price today would be the same as in that November (if all coins had been mined by then)...

Namely, several orders of magnitude lower than the Bitcoin price we actually see nowadays (~6 dollars per coin)

You disregarded future demand which is already shown as wrong because there is demand that is even higher then the supply since you posted your assumption (thus we are now at nearly 1000$ from 940$).

And like i said before i did exactly that to show your fallacy

I don't quite see where you are getting at

My calculated price was correct on the date of the estimate, i.e. when the price was 950 dollars per coin, just like your calculation was correct in November, 2012. But unlike you, I never pretended that it would be valid on any date following that day. Moreover, I specifically pointed it out that I can't include future demand since, obviously, I can't know what will happen in the future (tomorrow or in a year) and what this future demand will amount to. Today, I can give you a new price which already takes into account the change in demand which has happened since the last estimate. You, on the contrary, claimed that today, and every day after November, 2012, the price will remain the same. Are you now walking back on your words?

Duh. I never claimed that this is correct because my goal was to show that it is not correct.

And i suceeded with it because i could show that your calculations dont picture reality. It is still wrong (not on several magnitudes - there i agree that i misunderstood you) by a lot.
2695  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 01, 2017, 06:52:06 PM

Would easily propel us to 2,5 - 3k
2696  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 01, 2017, 06:39:37 PM
Over 9000

Soon TM

Edit

Sell 30 btc and buy a tesla? Cheesy
2697  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: January 01, 2017, 06:37:59 PM
...
States like North Korea work around this problem as best they can by making a high fence which cannot be be seen through.

You people are even more retarded and delusional then i though.
Move to north korea kimmie fanboy lol

I'll stick around and work against the efforts of dip-shits like you at bringing North Korea to us here in the U.S.

I basically understand how Leftist think because I was closer to that side of the scale for most of my life.  I noticed the brakes smoking and stepped off the train before the terminal incline, and I am watching as the other side puff it's way up the hill to see if it's worth stepping on (AR-15 figuratively in hand) if/when it makes it.  This makes me a particular unpleasant adversary and it's why Leftists are at the top of the Leftist kill list when they take over.  Through it all I've remained a classical Liberal.



Brain force nuff said  Grin
2698  Economy / Economics / Re: Long term OIL on: January 01, 2017, 06:28:32 PM
I have read the news about the oil industry and the car industry and I'm thinking that cars are moving to electric type.
Some popular cities in Europe are not allowing cars with diesel motors to access the city, but only with gasoline or electric so oil future is very problematic.

Yes, you are right now very fashionable to produce electric vehicles. But I am sure that they will never be produced in large quantities. Large oil tycoons simply unacceptable

Everything start small but after a while it becomes popular and people will love it and electric cars are just awesome.
The only bad thing is that the price of them is pretty high and the production of them is worse for the nature than oil cars.

This point has been discussed just a few pages back

The conclusion is that purely electric cars are set to remain only highly expensive toys in the hands of superrich and diehard enthusiasts. Lithium from which the batteries are made nowadays is a very limited element in nature. So unless a groundbreaking scientific breakthrough is made that would radically change the field, nothing is going to change in the future. Batteries using other chemical elements (such as plumbum) seem to be too heavy for a typical city car

I have seen that the Mercedes in their latest electric car these batteries are very light comparing with the batteries that have current cars.
Tesla has many different options to choose the car and as far as I know the base price starts from $35k which is not cheap!

This a bitcoin forum. Dont you see the signatures of the user?

Most of the users here will never have 35.000$ ^^"
2699  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: January 01, 2017, 06:20:31 PM
Plus, it makes good people more vulnerable !

That is exactly the aim behind gun control. Leftist parties such as the Democrat party in the United States want to protect burglars and home invaders from the rifles and shotguns of the home owners.
[
[Leftism ate my soul or something around that line]
States like North Korea work around this problem as best they can by making a high fence which cannot be be seen through.



You people are even more retarded and delusional then i though.
Move to north korea kimmie fanboy lol
2700  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is taxation theft? on: January 01, 2017, 06:14:11 PM
They are spending whole 20% on social security and only 3% on education. Isn't this a great way to have a society full of dumb and lazy people?
Benefits were always the easiest way to bribe voters.

You are absolutely right. These sort of retarded logic results in the creation of an entire generation of welfare rats, who are not capable of any productive activity. BTW, in my opinion education must be free.

Well that's what happens when a country gives out welfare to lazy people, to everyone like its candy. In my country elementary and high school are free, tho college costs a little more money but if you have good scores you can enroll on a state budget and study for free, I mean there are still some fees for books and means if you want to but studying college that year is free, no need to pay yearly money for college that way and also if you want to stay on the state budget you need to keep up the good work of studying hard.

Communist!!

Free education = much welfare rats

Free = welfare = stalin

Roll Eyes
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