Is taxation theft?

[darkseid1199]

In Africa taxation is deemed criminal by the masses, because the Government just spend it all on themselves.

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[valta4065]

It's not theft for a very simple reason, it's more efficient than private capital.

You want a good example?
USA: private health care industry, 17% of GDP
France: public health care industry, 11% of GDP

Healthcare in the United States is a sham. Compared to the European nations, healthcare in the United States is at least 200% more expensive. That said, there are many good examples for affordable private sector healthcare around the world. Thailand is a good example.

Of course the USA case is extreme but it's a good example because Americans are the ones promoting freedom of market and privatisation.

My example is just to show that NO, public institution doesn't mean inefficiency and waste of money, very good things can be done too!
But I'm not saying we should nationalize everything because government makes it better, we can combine the 2 aspects. Why are they all so afraid of governmental initiatives? Why not combining the two by letting the market free (no reason to go for communism and forbid private companies) but also creating governmental agencies. If you have the 2 they will really fight each other to have the best possible service. Sometimes private companies might be the best then very well, I'm not saying they can't do shit.

But there is no reason and no fact to support massive privatisation and deregulation of markets. Government is able to manage things as good as private companies for much less cost. There is just a massive propaganda to make them seem inefficient and dull.

[n4poleon]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks.

[mainpmf]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks.

Ah but that's very different!
It's not the taxation that is theft, in what you say at least! The theft is in the fact that once they took your money you have no control in it!
The theft is in fact in the theft of your rights. And on this I completely agree of course !

[Alfa123]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks.

Ah but that's very different!
It's not the taxation that is theft, in what you say at least! The theft is in the fact that once they took your money you have no control in it!
The theft is in fact in the theft of your rights. And on this I completely agree of course !

I agree with you. Taxation is an attempt to redistribute income society in order to achieve to avoid food riots. A theft occurs the politicians whom we choose. You may need to choose others?

[BADecker]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks.

Ah but that's very different!
It's not the taxation that is theft, in what you say at least! The theft is in the fact that once they took your money you have no control in it!
The theft is in fact in the theft of your rights. And on this I completely agree of course !

I agree with you. Taxation is an attempt to redistribute income society in order to achieve to avoid food riots. A theft occurs the politicians whom we choose. You may need to choose others?

Right! Look at Venezuela.   

[devthedev]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks.

Ah but that's very different!
It's not the taxation that is theft, in what you say at least! The theft is in the fact that once they took your money you have no control in it!
The theft is in fact in the theft of your rights. And on this I completely agree of course !

I agree with you. Taxation is an attempt to redistribute income society in order to achieve to avoid food riots. A theft occurs the politicians whom we choose. You may need to choose others?

Right! Look at Venezuela.    

Exactly! Millions are forced to eat literal trash, one of my friends has to ship basic necessities and food out from the USA to their grandparents in Venezuela. Socialism sucks and has not worked anywhere. Just because your two friends vote to take my wallet at gunpoint, it does not somehow make it fair -- it is still theft.  Free markets, free people.

[criptix]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks.

Ah but that's very different!
It's not the taxation that is theft, in what you say at least! The theft is in the fact that once they took your money you have no control in it!
The theft is in fact in the theft of your rights. And on this I completely agree of course !

I agree with you. Taxation is an attempt to redistribute income society in order to achieve to avoid food riots. A theft occurs the politicians whom we choose. You may need to choose others?

Right! Look at Venezuela.    

Exactly! Millions are forced to eat literal trash, one of my friends has to ship basic necessities and food out from the USA to their grandparents in Venezuela. Socialism sucks and has not worked anywhere. Just because your two friends vote to take my wallet at gunpoint, it does not somehow make it fair -- it is still theft.  Free markets, free people.

why does socialism work elsewhere except in corrupt nations?

maybe corruption is the problem?

free markets in form of capitalism which leads inevitably to corporatism?

[countryfree]

Yes, mostly.

We shall all understand that some tax is necessary to keep streets and roads safe and clean, but it takes very little tax money to pay for this useful service. Most of the tax money goes to useless or real bad things like welfare. Welfare is the biggest crime manhood has ever commited on nature. There are probably some 40 millions people living off welfare on Europe, they should all die. The sooner, the better. Only the strong shall survive. Ethiopia is a much nicer place with gentler people. Most Europeans now believe it is a God given right to spend their whole life without working, with an allowance from the state to have a decent life. Tax money has corrupted their minds. Sometimes I wish the whole economic system would just crash. People would be forced to work, just as it was a century ago, or as it is today in Ethiopia.

[devthedev]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks.

Ah but that's very different!
It's not the taxation that is theft, in what you say at least! The theft is in the fact that once they took your money you have no control in it!
The theft is in fact in the theft of your rights. And on this I completely agree of course !

I agree with you. Taxation is an attempt to redistribute income society in order to achieve to avoid food riots. A theft occurs the politicians whom we choose. You may need to choose others?

Right! Look at Venezuela.    

Exactly! Millions are forced to eat literal trash, one of my friends has to ship basic necessities and food out from the USA to their grandparents in Venezuela. Socialism sucks and has not worked anywhere. Just because your two friends vote to take my wallet at gunpoint, it does not somehow make it fair -- it is still theft.  Free markets, free people.

why does socialism work elsewhere except in corrupt nations?

maybe corruption is the problem?

free markets in form of capitalism which leads inevitably to corporatism?

Nope, Socialism is bound to fail in every nation, basic economics.

[mainpmf]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks.

Ah but that's very different!
It's not the taxation that is theft, in what you say at least! The theft is in the fact that once they took your money you have no control in it!
The theft is in fact in the theft of your rights. And on this I completely agree of course !

I agree with you. Taxation is an attempt to redistribute income society in order to achieve to avoid food riots. A theft occurs the politicians whom we choose. You may need to choose others?

Right! Look at Venezuela.    

Exactly! Millions are forced to eat literal trash, one of my friends has to ship basic necessities and food out from the USA to their grandparents in Venezuela. Socialism sucks and has not worked anywhere. Just because your two friends vote to take my wallet at gunpoint, it does not somehow make it fair -- it is still theft.  Free markets, free people.

Free market = free people?
Well no. Basically no.
You're saying socialism can't work for basic economic reasons.
Well here is a basic analysis:
Free market leads to fight between companies right? So consumers can get the best product or service?
Well problem is that one company will have the best product or service. And once it's the case the company will slowly eat the whole sector.
Just look out! Most companies are getting bigger and bigger! The end point of free market if one thing: monopoly. Thats exctly what's happening.

And I don't see how "socialism is bond to fail" ^^

[HashBTC]

Yes. Yes it is.

Big bully, bullies the smaller man.

[DimidoffVany]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks.

Ah but that's very different!
It's not the taxation that is theft, in what you say at least! The theft is in the fact that once they took your money you have no control in it!
The theft is in fact in the theft of your rights. And on this I completely agree of course !

I agree with you. Taxation is an attempt to redistribute income society in order to achieve to avoid food riots. A theft occurs the politicians whom we choose. You may need to choose others?

Right! Look at Venezuela.    

Exactly! Millions are forced to eat literal trash, one of my friends has to ship basic necessities and food out from the USA to their grandparents in Venezuela. Socialism sucks and has not worked anywhere. Just because your two friends vote to take my wallet at gunpoint, it does not somehow make it fair -- it is still theft.  Free markets, free people.

Free market = free people?
Well no. Basically no.
You're saying socialism can't work for basic economic reasons.
Well here is a basic analysis:
Free market leads to fight between companies right? So consumers can get the best product or service?
Well problem is that one company will have the best product or service. And once it's the case the company will slowly eat the whole sector.
Just look out! Most companies are getting bigger and bigger! The end point of free market if one thing: monopoly. Thats exctly what's happening.

And I don't see how "socialism is bond to fail" ^^

If we take as an example Venezuela or Russia, that socialism can not exist, and if you take for example Sweden, this social model is very competitive. It all depends on the officials of the state and how much they steal.

[valta4065]

Yes, mostly.

We shall all understand that some tax is necessary to keep streets and roads safe and clean, but it takes very little tax money to pay for this useful service. Most of the tax money goes to useless or real bad things like welfare. Welfare is the biggest crime manhood has ever commited on nature. There are probably some 40 millions people living off welfare on Europe, they should all die. The sooner, the better. Only the strong shall survive. Ethiopia is a much nicer place with gentler people. Most Europeans now believe it is a God given right to spend their whole life without working, with an allowance from the state to have a decent life. Tax money has corrupted their minds. Sometimes I wish the whole economic system would just crash. People would be forced to work, just as it was a century ago, or as it is today in Ethiopia.

Thank you for bringing social Darwinism here.
This is something that is commonly said in ALL medias and that people believe nowadays.
But this thesis has nothing to be based on. There is NOTHING that proves that only the strong should survive. People say that like it's some kind of magical sentence that allows them to go for a completely free market where the strong eats the weak, but that is a complete nonsense and a failure from an evolution perspective.

It has been scientifically proven that Humanity is based on COOPERATION far more than on personal strength. Our entire evolution and development is NOT based on conflict but on helping each other.

By the way, the correct sentence isn't "only the strong should survive" but "survival of the fittest" which is entirely different. This kind of behaviours and thinking is currently leading us to the end of our evolution.

[valta4065]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yes, I do feel taxation is theft. The way we were conformed, and was hid to the idea of options. You see? The difference of compliance from freedom. Not only a theft but our right to take part of how it is being spent. After all it is our OWN value they are spending.

Imo, this kind of theft (taxation) is the easiest way to generate government revenue. Well, government haven't been so creative in this area....so, I'd like to add some more but ill save it for other topic you fucks.

Ah but that's very different!
It's not the taxation that is theft, in what you say at least! The theft is in the fact that once they took your money you have no control in it!
The theft is in fact in the theft of your rights. And on this I completely agree of course !

I agree with you. Taxation is an attempt to redistribute income society in order to achieve to avoid food riots. A theft occurs the politicians whom we choose. You may need to choose others?

Right! Look at Venezuela.    

Exactly! Millions are forced to eat literal trash, one of my friends has to ship basic necessities and food out from the USA to their grandparents in Venezuela. Socialism sucks and has not worked anywhere. Just because your two friends vote to take my wallet at gunpoint, it does not somehow make it fair -- it is still theft.  Free markets, free people.

why does socialism work elsewhere except in corrupt nations?

maybe corruption is the problem?

free markets in form of capitalism which leads inevitably to corporatism?

This is all so right...
Socialism must be linked with people power. Socialism with a strong government and weak people is in fact just a "gentle dictatorship" and nothing else. You need to have a real control on your government and have a real democracy not like the systems we have in Europe which are NOT democracies even if they want you to believe it.

And yes free market had only one finality: Corporation will rule the world.
Simply because free market means that the stronger will crush the weaks, so if a corporation is winning it will continue to win until it has a complete monopoly. And that's exactly what's happening in our world! Look at the number of companies and you'll see this number is literally shrinking down!

[Sithara007]

In Africa taxation is deemed criminal by the masses, because the Government just spend it all on themselves.

Africa doesn't need any taxes. So much of natural resources (uranium, cobalt, tin, natural gas, petroleum, gold, diamonds.etc) are lying around there, which can be used for the enrichment of the general population.

[v1ryspro]

In Africa taxation is deemed criminal by the masses, because the Government just spend it all on themselves.

Africa doesn't need any taxes. So much of natural resources (uranium, cobalt, tin, natural gas, petroleum, gold, diamonds.etc) are lying around there, which can be used for the enrichment of the general population.

Taxes are necessary always and everywhere. With regard to Africa if she's so rich as you write then why are there so bad people live? Why Russia produces a lot of oil, and the people living in poverty while in Saudi Arabia the rich in the same oil.

[BADecker]

If they take it from you, it is theft. If you give it willingly, it isn't taxation.

[Sithara007]

Taxes are necessary always and everywhere. With regard to Africa if she's so rich as you write then why are there so bad people live? Why Russia produces a lot of oil, and the people living in poverty while in Saudi Arabia the rich in the same oil.

The people in Russia are rich, when compared to those living in the neighboring nations (such as Ukraine and Moldova). Russia and Saudi Arabia produces almost the same amount of oil. But the difference is that, the profits in Russia must be divided among 145 million people, while there are only around 20 million citizens in Saudi Arabia.

[BADecker]

Taxes are necessary always and everywhere. With regard to Africa if she's so rich as you write then why are there so bad people live? Why Russia produces a lot of oil, and the people living in poverty while in Saudi Arabia the rich in the same oil.

The people in Russia are rich, when compared to those living in the neighboring nations (such as Ukraine and Moldova). Russia and Saudi Arabia produces almost the same amount of oil. But the difference is that, the profits in Russia must be divided among 145 million people, while there are only around 20 million citizens in Saudi Arabia.

And there are only about 40 million inhabitants of Siberia, which is a gigantic Russian land, full of natural resources, covering about 9% of the earth, over 5 million square miles - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia.

The U.S., with nearly 330 million people, has less than 3.8 million square miles.

Siberia is only one part of Russia. Then there is Russia, herself.