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2701  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Christians hate Atheists? on: February 05, 2016, 05:50:53 AM

Several US states have laws barring atheists from running for public office


There are too many atheists in government right now. That's why we have things like Big Bang taught as fact in many of our schools, and God taught as myth. Get the atheists out of government altogether.


Are there any atheists in government?

Can you name a single one?

Such a silly question. Even government applications require that a person's employment not be based on his religious affiliation. So, even government doesn't know.

Regardless of whether it is required, most politicians freely announce their religious affiliation... It is far from a silly question... Especially after you claimed there are too many atheists in government... I am only asking you to back up your claim with a single fact

Obama is a Christian. George Bush is a Christian. Ben Carson is a Christian (assuming 7th day Adventist counts). Marco Rubio is a Christian. Donald Trump is a Christian. Bernie Sanders is Jewish. Mitt Romney is Mormon...

I can't think of any atheists... Can you?
2702  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is religious people an added risk to business? on: February 05, 2016, 04:25:41 AM
When it comes to business and scam and default prevention, religious people have some "moral leverages" as an example:
- A Muslim may feel it to be alright to scam a non-believer, as that's what his religion states.
- A Christian have an imaginary friend that forgives anything (and by anything it means really anything, from scam to kill the creditors).
IDK much about other religions, but they may have also some "moral relief" systems.

So, should we add to account a "too religious" at risk assessment?

That Christian who has "an imaginary friend that forgives anything (and by anything it means really anything, from scam to kill the creditors)" that's not a Christian, but a scammer or psychopath without any moral.
I think being a honest business partner does nothing with religion. That's about the human qualities of that given person and about the accepted common business practices in their homeland.

This is the dumbest analogy i have ever heard, scammers are scammers they dont have any moral at all. why do u mix religion with business.
that being said religion is the biggest business in the world

I thought it was a fair analogy... religion is the biggest scam in the world...

Religious people tend to be gullible, easily scammed, and unscrupulous scammers prey on sheeple... including preachers, who take 10% of your money while you listen to their fairy tale... and not only the preachers, there are other wolves in sheeple clothing in churches...
2703  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: February 05, 2016, 04:00:55 AM
Since you guys like quotes so much, here are a few from our founding fathers...

Quote from: Thomas Jefferson

Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man

There is not one redeeming feature in our superstition of Christianity.  It has made one-half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites


Quote from: Benjamin Franklin

Lighthouses are more useful than churches

The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason


Quote from: John Adams

This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it


Quote from: Thomas Paine

Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst


Quote from: John Lennon

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...


Oh, and there is also this:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
-First Amendment to the United States Constitution
2704  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Christians hate Atheists? on: February 05, 2016, 03:08:13 AM

Several US states have laws barring atheists from running for public office


There are too many atheists in government right now. That's why we have things like Big Bang taught as fact in many of our schools, and God taught as myth. Get the atheists out of government altogether.


Are there any atheists in government?

Can you name a single one?
2705  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: February 04, 2016, 09:50:38 PM

I proved that atheists hate religion, back on page 180/190.


Atheists hate religion because:
1. Atheism is a capital sin
   1.1. Sin of idolatry (1st commandement - "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" Ex 20:3)
    1.2. Punishment for idolatry is death (Golden Calf episode Ex 32:4)
2. You cannot love someone that want you dead.

(1) and (2) forms the thesis "atheists hate Religion".

Can you love your enemy organofcorti?

How can you hate something you don't believe in?

An atheist can't hate God because God doesn't exist...

Atheists love you, or they wouldn't spend so much time trying to educate you...

I'm sorry you are so blinded by your faith that you cannot see reason... perhaps some day you will join us
2706  Other / Off-topic / Re: UK self defense? on: February 04, 2016, 09:48:10 PM
There's a reason why most security guards carry foot long maglites and it's not for the quality of the beam.

Actually, anything over 2 cell Maglites are now considered weapons as well in the US/Canada.   Undecided

I know a case where a guy was sentenced because according to the judge he was a trained fighter and hands in the use of such person are as deadly as weapons  Roll Eyes

I believe that is the case for any professional boxer/fighter... Mike Tyson's hands are a deadly weapon if he assaults you with them...
2707  Other / Politics & Society / Why do Christians hate Atheists? on: February 04, 2016, 09:23:30 PM
I only see hatred flowing in a single direction...

According to studies, an atheist is less trusted than a child molester
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/in-atheists-we-distrust/

Several US states have laws barring atheists from running for public office

Atheist are just like everyone else, except they don't believe in fairy tales... why is everyone so scared of atheists?
2708  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Is 0.12 with pruned mode a good idea for newbies? on: February 04, 2016, 07:08:00 PM
If you have the HD capacity, I would run a full node wallet every time...

That is what I do for my home computer.  I have over 1TB on a magnetic drive, and its cheap if the blockchain ever gets too big

Its handy if you want to use multiple wallet.dat files... you can't re-index with a pruned wallet


I am experimenting with pruned mode on my hosted web-server.  I am trying to limit disk space because it costs $1/month/10GB

I downloaded 0.12rc2 last night and set it for:  -prune=550 (the minimum)
It's at block 350k, less than a year behind, and is only using 1.67GB of disk space (so far)... /blocks = 507MB, /chainstate=1.1G, debug.log=77MB
2709  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: February 04, 2016, 06:44:44 PM
Much of the New Testament is eye-witness reports about Jesus and the things He did. In addition, while it is not scientific proof, the Holy Spirit has enlightened the hearts of Christians through faith that Jesus not only existed, not only is the Messiah, but also lives in Heaven right now as the almighty God with the Father and Holy spirit.

Have you read that little header above each of the gospels?

When were they written, according to your own bible? (many bibles give dates)

The earliest (Mark) is supposedly written 40 years after "Jesus" died, the latter ones as late as 140AD, over 100 years after Jesus died... now add 20 years since they were not children when they met Jesus...

Given the average lifespan was around 30 years at the time, I find it hard to believe that these 60-140 year old men wrote accurate accounts of what happened 40-100 years earlier...

How well do you remember events from 40+ years ago?
2710  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: February 04, 2016, 06:01:05 PM
If we had the proof of His existence then how us, mortals, could oppose His will?
God has left a tiny area of free will open in us. It has to do with aspects of faith that we have in Him. It doesn't have anything to so with any of our standard understanding of free will, like choosing which side of the bed to get out of in the morning.

Our free will has to do with limited aspects of our faith in God. That's it. God judges us according to our faith in Him.

Then how could He test us?
God tests us based on the freewill portion of our faith in Him.

...the area of free will...

Free will?  That is something I can prove false...

If you believe these 3 common Christian beliefs:
1) God created the universe exactly as it is
2) God could have created the universe differently if he wanted to (billions of possibilities)
3) God is Omniscient (knows the future)

Then free will cannot exist

God created this specific universe, knowing exactly what would happen, including your personal choices (free will)...  he could have created a universe where I was a Christian instead of an Atheist, but God created this universe, knowing that I would be an Atheist... It's God's fault I'm an Atheist, not mine!



A point about free will and prayer...

When you pray for God to change his divine plan to benefit yourself... You claim that you know better than God does?  You ask him to change his perfect/divine plan because your kid has cancer?  Who are you to question God's divine/perfect plan?!?  God gave your kid cancer because that is His plan, and you think you know better than God? The lolz

Well, that isn't quite the way God has it expressed all over the Bible. From https://www.openbible.info/topics/free_will:
Proverbs 16:9 ESV / 640 helpful votes

The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.
Joshua 24:15 ESV / 209 helpful votes

And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”
John 7:17 ESV / 164 helpful votes

If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.
Revelation 3:20 ESV / 141 helpful votes

Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.
1 Corinthians 10:13 ESV / 121 helpful votes

No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.
John 1:12-13 ESV / 97 helpful votes

But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Deuteronomy 30:19-20 ESV / 73 helpful votes

I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may live, loving the Lord your God, obeying his voice and holding fast to him, for he is your life and length of days, that you may dwell in the land that the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.”
Genesis 2:16-17 ESV / 72 helpful votes

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

...

There are many more passages at the site listed. Many of the passages express how God gives us free will.

The idea of cause and effect suggests that there is no free will. But how can one talk to a materialistic scientist who doesn't believe in spirit and soul, but only believes in bio-mechanical operations of mind?

Smiley

Did you even read any of those bible quotes before posting them?  Not a single one has anything to do with "free will"
2711  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: February 04, 2016, 05:51:50 PM
OK, OK, I had no idea you guys hated each other so much! Sheesh. I thought you two had bonded over your idea that murdering atheists is morally acceptable.

If it wasn't for the infighting of the various denominations, I would be scared of Christians starting WW3 with the Muslims...

But, as it sits... I can't seriously believe that the Catholics would team up with the Baptists, Pentecostals, Mormons, et al...

If there is one thing I am certain... minor differences in the flavour of 'magical space fairy' dogma is a deal breaker for religitards...  You can count on them hating each other as much as the Muslims... (even though they all believe in the same God, including Muslims, which is just another branch of the Abrahamic cult)


P.S. Random Question: Why do the two religitards end every single post with  Smiley or "Best Regards"... Is that a common practice among stupid people? (kinda tired of clipping it from every reply)
2712  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: February 04, 2016, 05:41:38 PM
Free will?  That is something I can prove false...

If you believe these 3 common Christian beliefs:
1) God created the universe exactly as it is
2) God could have created the universe differently if he wanted to (billions of possibilities)
3) God is Omniscient (knows the future)

Then free will cannot exist

God created this specific universe, knowing exactly what would happen, including your personal choices (free will)...  he could have created a universe where I was a Christian instead of an Atheist, but God created this universe, knowing that I would be an Atheist... It's God's fault I'm an Atheist, not mine!



A point about free will and prayer...

When you pray for God to change his divine plan to benefit yourself... You claim that you know better than God does?  You ask him to change his perfect/divine plan because your kid has cancer?  Who are you to question God's divine/perfect plan?!?  God gave your kid cancer because that is His plan, and you think you know better than God? The lolz

You have free will in deciding to have faith in him or not.


Can you read?  I refuted that claim in the post you quoted, I even underlined it to make it easy for you...

"He could have created a universe where I was a Christian instead of an Atheist, but God created this universe, knowing that I would be an Atheist... It's God's fault I'm an Atheist, not mine!"
2713  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: February 04, 2016, 05:34:23 PM
If we had the proof of His existence then how us, mortals, could oppose His will?
God has left a tiny area of free will open in us. It has to do with aspects of faith that we have in Him. It doesn't have anything to so with any of our standard understanding of free will, like choosing which side of the bed to get out of in the morning.

Our free will has to do with limited aspects of our faith in God. That's it. God judges us according to our faith in Him.

Then how could He test us?
God tests us based on the freewill portion of our faith in Him.

...the area of free will...

Free will?  That is something I can prove false...

If you believe these 3 common Christian beliefs:
1) God created the universe exactly as it is
2) God could have created the universe differently if he wanted to (billions of possibilities)
3) God is Omniscient (knows the future)

Then free will cannot exist

God created this specific universe, knowing exactly what would happen, including your personal choices (free will)...  he could have created a universe where I was a Christian instead of an Atheist, but God created this universe, knowing that I would be an Atheist... It's God's fault I'm an Atheist, not mine!



A point about free will and prayer...

When you pray for God to change his divine plan to benefit yourself... You claim that you know better than God does?  You ask him to change his perfect/divine plan because your kid has cancer?  Who are you to question God's divine/perfect plan?!?  God gave your kid cancer because that is His plan, and you think you know better than God? The lolz
2714  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Clinton Wins 0.2% Victory in Iowa; Sanders Sweeps Young Voters on: February 04, 2016, 05:32:34 AM
When the "favorite" wins by a coin flip (literally), it's hardly a "win"...

Bernie proved he has strong support, and New Hampshire will confirm it with a +30 point landslide

#FeelTheBern
2715  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: February 04, 2016, 01:19:14 AM
Fair enough, no arguments here.

edit: just to be clear, I have agreed, calmed down and am participating in this argument fairly at this point. So why the hell does Tungfa feel the need to wake up and start this whole ride over? Just got kicked from Telegram after a 30 second chat with him and BolehVPN about how they dislike my methods.

People have a difficult time differentiating between constructive criticism and trolling...

When you tell them, there is a little thing that you wish was different... they hear, "Your child is ugly and retarded"
2716  Other / Politics & Society / What is up with New Hampshire? on: February 04, 2016, 01:10:09 AM
Apparently New Hampshire is the "Bitcoin Capital of America"

This is news to me:
'Bitcoin Capital of America' Readies for Influx of New Movers

Does anyone know what this is all about?

Can't say I've ever seen so many people who own bitcoin
2717  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Would you eat a human? on: February 03, 2016, 11:29:37 PM
Are we talking about a whole human, or just the sexy bits?

We've all eaten a little piece, right guys?  Wink

I think the OP really does mean "eating someone" rather than a euphemism for an orally based sex act. Or may he means both? (shudder)


When I was in the military, we were on a 3-mile battalion run (everyone in the whole battalion was there running in formation)... one of my sergeants busted out some sweet lyrics as we ran past the civilian barracks...

Quote
Running through the graveyard in the middle of the night,
Looking for a date who won't put up a fight,
'cause I'm a necropheliac,
I'll put a dead one in the sack

I think there were more verses, but you get the idea...

Picture 40 men screaming this at 7am
2718  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: February 03, 2016, 11:13:28 PM
Many Jews of Jesus' day converted to Christianity. This included Jewish priests and scribes. These people are of a kind who diligently keep and uphold records. They attest to the validity of the New Testament by their tradition of flawlessly handing down the N.T. eye witness reports.

Ok, I'm calling bullshit on this one... this is a complete lie

Show me a single account of a Jewish priest or scribe converting to Christianity, and "attesting to the validity of the New Testament by their tradition of flawlessly handing down the N.T. eye witness reports."

You got a source/link for that?  Because it's bullshit!

(P.S., Don't try telling me about the Jews, I am a Jew)

There are lots of Jewish Christian churches around. There always have been. Look them up in your phone book.


Translated:

"I lied"


The only "Jewish Christian" movement I am aware of is "Jews for Jesus".  My mother was part of their movement for a time while I was younger.  I can't recall ever hearing about a tradition of handing down eye witness reports about anything...

There is a strong Jewish Atheist movement... it has been estimated that nearly half of all Jews do not believe in God:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism
2719  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: February 03, 2016, 10:58:17 PM
"Stupidity is a snake biting when touched."

Do you know why Satan was sent to hell?

Satan accused God of making a poor moral decision.  Satan's movement had a rapid following... quickly, a full 1/3 of all the angels were in support of Satan, opposing God.  God, realizing he was about to lose the majority, silenced the movement by banishing Satan and 1/3 of all the angels to hell.  God did not give Satan a trial, or even a chance to defend himself before being banished for eternity... (reference: Revelation 12:3-12)

Would you call that justice, or good basis for morality?  I call it tyranny!
2720  Other / Off-topic / Re: UK self defense? on: February 03, 2016, 10:05:18 PM
I would recommend something like a baseball bat, tire-iron, etc

Anything 2+ feet long, and metal is a dangerous weapon... a piece of rebar...

You might be able to get away with something like a blow-gun with paralytic darts?

I'm not quite sure what the UK laws are on weapons beyond guns&knives are banned...

See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improvised_weapon
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