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281  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: June 24, 2015, 11:06:14 PM
You think this way because you don't know what scientific evidence and proof really are.

Here we go again, changing offical word definitions around to hammer your square peg proof into the official round hole. Roll Eyes


There you go again, ignoring the evidence that is all around you.

Smiley

Of course. Who of sound mind wouldn't ignore fallacious evidence?

All right. I was too hard on the atheists. They are not really idiots. They are simply not sound of mind.

Smiley

To set the context, I don't mind if you define evidence, science, scientific method, and proof in your own way, so long as I know what you think they are.

Can you define each in your own way so that I can refer to the post in the future?

That's easy. All language except legal language (in the U.S.) is subject to change based on common usage. Since this is so, simply use the dictionary definition that you want, or the common usage definition that has not made it to the dictionary yet.

Smiley

Why not just use your own words as you was asked?

I thought about that. But why waste the time posting a bunch of dictionary and encyclopedia and Youtube and Internet definitions when anybody who is forum savvy can look these things up themselves?

Smiley

Because there are generally multiple meanings for a given word in the dictionary, and in previous posts you have utilized multiple definitions for the same word without letting anyone else know that you're changing between them.  I can't look in the dictionary and just assume my selection is the one you selected.  The whole point of setting a definition is so that your argument stays consistent.  What doesn't change (and never has, nor ever will) are the rules of logic, and these rules state that consistency is of primary importance to a logical argument.  Inconsistency --> invalidity --> unsound.
282  Other / Meta / Re: Problem with loading the forum? on: June 24, 2015, 11:00:51 PM
The server was unavailable for me for the past ~1-2 hours.
283  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I will give you 1,000,000,000 in cash {Experiment} on: June 24, 2015, 06:39:20 PM
Honestly, I would not be at all tempted to press the button, but would be disgusted at he who makes the offer.
284  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: June 24, 2015, 06:35:09 PM
You think this way because you don't know what scientific evidence and proof really are.

Here we go again, changing offical word definitions around to hammer your square peg proof into the official round hole. Roll Eyes


There you go again, ignoring the evidence that is all around you.

Smiley

Of course. Who of sound mind wouldn't ignore fallacious evidence?

All right. I was too hard on the atheists. They are not really idiots. They are simply not sound of mind.

Smiley

To set the context, I don't mind if you define evidence, science, scientific method, and proof in your own way, so long as I know what you think they are.

Can you define each in your own way so that I can refer to the post in the future?
285  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] 3 x r9-290x Sapphire on: June 24, 2015, 04:09:29 PM
Bump!


Dude i'm going to throw an offer of BTC0.8 in there for one card. Doable? Don't kill me for the low ball its just what i can afford currently.

Can't knock ya for an offer, but 0.8BTC is pretty low.  Did you have anything to trade in addition to that amount?


Hmm I have Razor Deathadder barely used. They go for $70-80ish depending where you grab them. Also have a astro a40 headset that i used for 10 minutes before i put that away. I have the original packaging for the A40's but not the adder. Also check out my thread over here:

 ->           https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1091571.msg11695012#msg11695012

I sell that software for BTC0.02 in a readable version. I sell the full version for BTC0.2. I'd be willing to get you a full version copy plus my BTC0.8?  Lmk i put up a few options there Smiley



You don't by chance have an LED flat screen tv to trade for the whole card, do you?   Unfortunately, I'm pretty limited to needing what I can easily convert to cash, or what will directly help me finish my home remodeling project.  My living room needs an LED tv.
286  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] 3 x r9-290x Sapphire on: June 24, 2015, 03:20:46 PM
Is the PSU for sale?

Not that one, I may have another.  Honestly though, I may just try to sell the whole computer.  That thing can rip through pretty much anything you throw at it. 
287  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] 3 x r9-290x Sapphire on: June 24, 2015, 03:17:41 PM
Bump!


Dude i'm going to throw an offer of BTC0.8 in there for one card. Doable? Don't kill me for the low ball its just what i can afford currently.

Can't knock ya for an offer, but 0.8BTC is pretty low.  Did you have anything to trade in addition to that amount?
288  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] 3 x r9-290x Sapphire on: June 24, 2015, 12:54:08 PM
Bump!
289  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: June 24, 2015, 01:12:11 AM
Except, rereading, it seems to make more sense to think of metalanguage in computing terms. We can think of a statement as a series of instructions for running a program. Rather than a noun, the metalanguage would be an action: a reasoning process by which we somehow evaluate statements. Except that that still doesn't explain what we do when we run them. Or how we somehow seem able to overcome the limitations of computers.

1) I really don't understand the "let's not shoot the messenger comment."  I'm guessing it's non-essential, though I don't know who I shot lol.

2)  I agree that we can make sensical and non-sensical statements with plain English, and that the non-sensical statements do not render English inoperable or useless.  The syntax and rules of operation for English determine what is sensical and what isn't.  Statements are relayed back to the syntax and processed according thereto to determine if it is meaningful in a way consistent with it.  Thus, at the syntactic level there is indeed a "reasoning" process by which statements are evaluated, but the syntax itself is structural, i.e. it imposes constraints upon what can be considered meaningful.

How would you determine correctness in the first place? Maybe the syntax -- or language rules -- that you speak of are created experimentally?


One model of reality that I'm thinking about goes like this:
There's a Turing machine and a Programmer.
The Turing machine doesn't know very much about rules or syntax. It just gets instructions from somewhere, which it runs automatically. There's no syntax-checking or filtering at that level. The machine occasionally gets stuck because of the Halting Problem, so this requires intervention from the Programmer to reset it. The Programmer might also have additional powers, such as being able to replicate itself, perhaps conjuring a higher self into existence as a workaround if it gets stuck resetting the machine in an infinite loop. Alternatively, it creates and delegates a lower self, but I guess that would be pretty similar.

The 'instructions' could be message data that we get from our senses in serialised form, presumably coming from another programmer entity, whom we don't have direct access to, but only via the message tape.

Rapid multiplication of the programmer selves could then pave the way for creating complex mental structures, out of something that had absolutely minimalistic rules. Far from being a nuisance, the undecidable parts of the software are what allow both sides (message and the messenger) to exist.

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4)  If you run software with code that does not conform to the syntax of its programming language, it will be evaluated as an invalid input. If valid, how those statements are expressed is a product of both their relation to their governing syntax, and also in relation to other object-level statements governed by the same syntax that may affect them (e.g. if-then or "conditional" statements).  I'm not sure if I fully responded to what you were saying, here.  I'm at lunch on an iPhone.

Edit: Linking this to subjectivity and objectivity, consider a governing syntax of Reality in total as it relates to its internal components.  As we perceive real content and subsequently process and model that content, we can either model that content in a way that is consistent with the syntax of Reality in total, or in a way that is inconsistent.  Because the structural syntax of Reality in total necessarily distributes to all of its content, if our model is consistent, then it is objectively valid, else we have an inconsistent, invalid model that provides us with no objective value.  In this way, we can consider this process in terms of a fundamental utility function, where utility is defined upon consistency and congruency with Universal syntax.  

When a computer checks a piece of software for syntax errors before compiling or running it, the processor is running software the entire time. What we call syntax would therefore be some complex pattern of learned behaviour.


When you suggest that perhaps "the syntax -- or language rules -- that I speak of are created experimentally," you have to remember that, given this possibility, there must still be an unconditional and unchanging structure at play, i.e. what defines a rule.

In his theory, Langan describes a "one-to-many" mapping of real/Universal syntax, which would allow for the simultaneous possibility of various conditional syntactic systems at the "many" level while maintaining an unchanging syntax archetype at the "one" level.  The general structure of syntax or 'rule' still applies, but how this is expressed differs within the mapping.  

When you talk about the Programmer creating a 'higher self,' basically you're talking about omnipotence.  To create a 'higher self' would imply the creation of a self which is totally unbound by the syntax of the 'lower self,' but this is paradoxical to the fact that the 'lower self' must be unbound by the syntax of the 'higher self' in order to create it.  If the Programmer can actually do this, then he was omnipotent all along, and any 'higher self' is simply one of a many diversified essence of the 'omnipotent self' [archetype].  
290  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: June 23, 2015, 07:50:54 PM

Again, I propose the challenge: Name one good reason why armymen or SWAT team members should automatically be granted more trust with a gun than your neighbors.


Errrrrrrrr

Training and stuff? Having an actual need for them?

If you don't think that defending one's self constitutes a need, then by extension one shouldn't need police, armymen, or SWAT teams to defend one's self, either.  I doubt you would be in favor of that.

Training is a fair point (compared to areas where someone can lawfully obtain a gun without training) but can arguably be offset by the context in which they are trained.  The nature of the jobs of military and police is one where violence is anticipated.  This is why you see, for example, police officers approach a routine traffic stop with their hands on their holsters.  The psychological expectation of violence contributes to a greater likelihood that they will be more "trigger-happy" (didn't mean that euphemistically, but for lack of a better term) and make a careless mistake themselves.  

We both have surely heard of all the deaths of unarmed citizens by police and otherwise.  Highlighting this point, do you think that the recent incident where an unarmed man flagged down police was shot and killed would have ended the same way if the man had flagged down a civilian?  Nope.  Furthermore, society often approves the use of deadly force by police in situations where a criminal has a knife, bat, or other handheld weapon.  Why?  Because the police officer was defending himself.  By extension of that logic, it should be approved that any man can defend himself against similar threats with a gun.

Edit: On 2nd thought, even "training" isn't a very good reason at all.  The reason is that the only significantly important training is that which is relevant after a threat has been identified.  Mental illness not withstanding, basically any idiot will have a good idea when a significant threat exists such that the use of a gun becomes justifiable.  Unless you have some paranoia yourself, you shouldn't have much worry about your gun-toting neighbors just lighting up the neighborhood willy-nilly.  The question is instead whether you can trust them with a gun after they have identified a legitimate threat to the safety of their selves or someone else.  In a home invasion, this won't be much of any concern because the threat is isolated to that environment.  And if everyone of sane mind has a gun, the chances decreases that a legitimate threat will exist in a public space (because a criminal knows he has no chance unless he's already committed himself to going out with guns blazing).  People don't take guns and start shooting randomly while spinning in circles.
291  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: June 23, 2015, 06:41:25 PM
Guns should be used only by the army and SWAT. I think that such restriction would make life much easier for all.

In america it's seen as a hobby. You can see videos of people testing out guns and shoting out watermelons outdoors in some places that sometimes look like their backyard. It's pretty insane to anyone not living on there. I mean you can walk in on that area without knowing someone is shoting shit up and get shoot... pretty crazy.

Most terrorist have this "hobby" too. Americans will have to let that go. For most cases a pepper spray is just enough.

Again, I propose the challenge: Name one good reason why armymen or SWAT team members should automatically be granted more trust with a gun than your neighbors.
292  Economy / Auctions / Re: ►►► 2013 Lealana Silver Error coin MS66 - 3 DAY AUCTION on: June 23, 2015, 02:41:52 AM
How many batches were there with the error?

It's says a 1000 on the certificate.  Cool

One batch of 1000.   Wink

Yeah, but Smoothie made it, so he probably made an error on that, too.

Zing! Cheesy   J/k  I love my set.  Free bump for the auction!
293  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: June 22, 2015, 05:21:08 PM
I am a European.  I cannot understand why Americans want to have so many people owning guns.

The biggest massacre involving guns happened in Europe. It occurred in a country, which is having one of the toughest gun control laws (Norway) in the world. A lunatic called Anders Behring Breivik was single-handedly able to mow down a total of 77 people, and the policemen present at the scene could not do anything, as they were not armed.
Ok the biggest might have been in Europe, but the frequency and total number killed is much higher in the US than all of Europe combined.

It wasn't that the police present couldn't do anything, he had set off a bomb in the capital city to throw the police off, then he attacked the children on an island that couldn't be quickly reached.
The guy was/is a lunatic and it is dreadful that he managed to get a weapon.  I would prefer that he wasn't able to get a gun, instead of giving lots of people guns to shoot each other in this kind of case (I doubt it would have made a difference as it was a Political Youth camp he attacked, probably not somewhere where people would be armed anyway)

I suppose guns should be banned from everywhere. No guns, extremely less killing, and everybody will leave in peace then. Let only the lawmen, armymen have the guns.

Can you think of a good reason why "lawmen" and "armymen" should automatically be granted the trust to carry weapons while your neighbors should not?  Keep in mind that nationalism is a small step away from racism (referring to armymen), and that lawmen have direct influence upon that which they stand to personally gain.

I can't think of one.  And why do so many people seem to think that banning guns will prohibit criminals from violating the ban in the same ways they already dodge the ban on criminal behaviors?  
294  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Los Angeles police shoot unarmed man in head; and then handcuff him! on: June 22, 2015, 01:42:08 PM
The USA has become one of the most wretched police states in the history of the world. Can't imagine how scary it must be to live their seeing their police force maim and kill innocents indiscriminately.

Honestly, when you turn off the news, it's not so bad. If I hadn't watched any news in the past two decades, the only noticeable differences in daily life would probably be whittled down to some inflated gas and food prices, tightened airport security, better technology, and a lot of silly music and clothing outfits.  9/11 what?
295  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: June 22, 2015, 03:44:30 AM
Gun control will not stop violence because a violent person doesn’t need a gun to be violent,not only gun there are so much other stuff that support the violence
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy biting my knuckles Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
you silly human the question is about gun control not violence stupid
there will always be violence dumb ass i would rather someone attack me with a knife or a stick or hit me with a punch or a kick than blast my head off with a gun

KEEP YOUR GUNS THEN AND WATCH YOUR COUNTRY FALL APART Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry
21ST CENTURY Cool not 1821 cowboys and indians.. john wayne and all the like
do u know what i was going to write more but just thought whats the point your like religious people you will never change your mind unless you your self been affected by guns
all i will say is be safe and try not get trigger happy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

So if guns are banned, and you're a law abiding citizen and therefore don't break the a law and get one, what are you going to do if a criminal with a gun attacks you?
same as every other country with gun laws phone the police Undecided Undecided Undecided
and if my law was in place he or she will be getting 25 years if caught and will do every day of them 25 years and that will send a clear message out carry guns get 25 years
see what is happening in my area 13 year old kids getting hold of guns well i say guns some look like they found them in the grandad shed from the 2nd worldwar.. and old shot guns that look like the shot guns have wood worm  Cheesy Cheesy there that old
So thank god they cannot get hold of nice new guns and buy them like lolly pops because our kids would shoot each other like no tomorrow
we have about 10 shooting a month in our city
 but i say about 3 to 4 people get killed with a gun a year some years 1 person gets killed and about 25 people get injured because they shoot your legs so if there caught they get done for a lesser crime not murder
but the thing is these young kids 13 to 25 get no real jail time
if a 13 old murders he still got his whole life ahead of him 15 years he only be 28 when he get out of jail.. if he caught with a gun in public he get 2 years in youth offenders now you give this kid a status i am a bad ass so don,t mess with me or i shoot you no matter who you are a 15 year old cheeky little brat
and guns are banned  here So more jail time needed plus if he or she murders a human with a gun then they will never be released from jail not ever


Criminal:  (Breaks through your front door).  Alright motherf*cker, here's the deal.  I'm taking your money, I'm raping your wife, and I'm blowing your heads off.

You:  Wait wait wait.  Time-out.  I'm calling the police.  You're in big trouble, mister.

Criminal:  *Blows your head off.*

Gee, your plan sounded so great on paper.
point 1 most people rob your money very rare someone rape your wife you would be caught in a flash DNA
point 2 if he did rape my wife she would shag him to death thus saving the both of us Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
see because you have a gun more likley be a shoot out resulting in a death instead just handing over your money then phone police
see no one deserves to die for stealing or house robbery even tho i really hate house thieves ..hmmm may be cut 2 fingers off as a punishment or chop half a foot off there foot Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy i am only joking
The law lords need to sit down and say right its the 21st century lets see how we can make these new laws better to keep our citizens safer
plus most of all we need to give our young kids jobs so they have a life instead stuck on the streets to become a street rat


Aside from the weird fact that you seem to think that someone getting caught and thrown in jail offsets your wife being raped (wtf?), I think you forgot the part where he blows your heads off, anyway.

But hey, good thing he got those 25 years afterward, right? 
296  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: June 22, 2015, 02:31:36 AM
Gun control will not stop violence because a violent person doesn’t need a gun to be violent,not only gun there are so much other stuff that support the violence
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy biting my knuckles Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
you silly human the question is about gun control not violence stupid
there will always be violence dumb ass i would rather someone attack me with a knife or a stick or hit me with a punch or a kick than blast my head off with a gun

KEEP YOUR GUNS THEN AND WATCH YOUR COUNTRY FALL APART Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry
21ST CENTURY Cool not 1821 cowboys and indians.. john wayne and all the like
do u know what i was going to write more but just thought whats the point your like religious people you will never change your mind unless you your self been affected by guns
all i will say is be safe and try not get trigger happy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

So if guns are banned, and you're a law abiding citizen and therefore don't break the a law and get one, what are you going to do if a criminal with a gun attacks you?
same as every other country with gun laws phone the police Undecided Undecided Undecided
and if my law was in place he or she will be getting 25 years if caught and will do every day of them 25 years and that will send a clear message out carry guns get 25 years
see what is happening in my area 13 year old kids getting hold of guns well i say guns some look like they found them in the grandad shed from the 2nd worldwar.. and old shot guns that look like the shot guns have wood worm  Cheesy Cheesy there that old
So thank god they cannot get hold of nice new guns and buy them like lolly pops because our kids would shoot each other like no tomorrow
we have about 10 shooting a month in our city
 but i say about 3 to 4 people get killed with a gun a year some years 1 person gets killed and about 25 people get injured because they shoot your legs so if there caught they get done for a lesser crime not murder
but the thing is these young kids 13 to 25 get no real jail time
if a 13 old murders he still got his whole life ahead of him 15 years he only be 28 when he get out of jail.. if he caught with a gun in public he get 2 years in youth offenders now you give this kid a status i am a bad ass so don,t mess with me or i shoot you no matter who you are a 15 year old cheeky little brat
and guns are banned  here So more jail time needed plus if he or she murders a human with a gun then they will never be released from jail not ever


Criminal:  (Breaks through your front door).  Alright motherf*cker, here's the deal.  I'm taking your money, I'm raping your wife, and I'm blowing your heads off.

You:  Wait wait wait.  Time-out.  I'm calling the police.  You're in big trouble, mister.

Criminal:  *Blows your head off.*

Gee, your plan sounded so great on paper.
297  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: June 22, 2015, 01:05:42 AM
Gun control will not stop violence because a violent person doesn’t need a gun to be violent,not only gun there are so much other stuff that support the violence
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy biting my knuckles Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
you silly human the question is about gun control not violence stupid
there will always be violence dumb ass i would rather someone attack me with a knife or a stick or hit me with a punch or a kick than blast my head off with a gun

KEEP YOUR GUNS THEN AND WATCH YOUR COUNTRY FALL APART Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry
21ST CENTURY Cool not 1821 cowboys and indians.. john wayne and all the like
do u know what i was going to write more but just thought whats the point your like religious people you will never change your mind unless you your self been affected by guns
all i will say is be safe and try not get trigger happy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

So if guns are banned, and you're a law abiding citizen and therefore don't break the a law and get one, what are you going to do if a criminal with a gun attacks you?
298  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Los Angeles police shoot unarmed man in head; and then handcuff him! on: June 21, 2015, 09:50:30 PM
Aren't these police offers supposed to take IQ tests? Aren't these tests design to help analyze if a person is mentally qualified to become a cop and be accompanied with a gun and a badge? physical fitness and willingness to serve is all good but if your understanding and maturity is of a 7 year old, BEING A POLICE MAN IS NOT THE FUCKING WAY TO GO!

HAHAHA, PREACH! My feelings described perfectly over here! Aren't these people selected, tested, trained, made eligible for the the best services before handing them a badge and a gun? Does the profession kill brain cells?

Read my post above.  Some police agencies have apparently implemented a policy that you are barred from being a police officer if your IQ is too high.  The decision was upheld in a Federal lawsuit.
299  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What's your opinion of gun control? on: June 21, 2015, 09:46:36 PM
the joint
Legendary
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you own a gun you must do  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
I think the only way your going to learn is when someone shoots you your family or friend
so be careful trigger happy DICK
 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
this is you so you think Wink Wink
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQoxsMTkVt4

man buys his kid a riffle to go hunting kid trips over
 the butt of the riffle hits the floor blows kids head off now that guy now wishes he had never introduced his son to guns
 and he weeps everyday because he misses him so much sad sad
and i bet if his kid was still alive today he be saying keep the gun law don,t ban it
he not saying it now tho he saying ban them  Wink Wink
 ONLY DICK SHITBAGS WANT GUNS
USE YOUR FIST YOU SHITHOUSE

Well, that escalated quickly  Smiley Wink Cheesy Grin Angry Sad Shocked Cool Huh Roll Eyes

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I think the only way your going to learn is when someone shoots you your family or friend
so be careful trigger happy DICK...

...ONLY DICK SHITBAGS WANT GUNS
USE YOUR FIST YOU SHITHOUSE

Oh, you angel.
300  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Los Angeles police shoot unarmed man in head; and then handcuff him! on: June 21, 2015, 04:42:41 PM
Aren't these police offers supposed to take IQ tests? Aren't these tests design to help analyze if a person is mentally qualified to become a cop and be accompanied with a gun and a badge? physical fitness and willingness to serve is all good but if your understanding and maturity is of a 7 year old, BEING A POLICE MAN IS NOT THE FUCKING WAY TO GO!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836

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A man whose bid to become a police officer was rejected after he scored too high on an intelligence test has lost an appeal in his federal lawsuit against the city.

The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New York upheld a lower court’s decision that the city did not discriminate against Robert Jordan because the same standards were applied to everyone who took the test.
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