You are probably right. There is something very fishy about this whole thing.
People don't just give up on such amounts of cash without a decent fight and the fighting comes easy when someone else is going to do it for a cut.
No "fight" is even needed. Will you give someone $150K without even knowing her username or email at all? Bitcoinica has a fixed amount of assets and all refunding process must be record-by-record. Maria can only show that she had an account before, but not anything else! |
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I entered my password, hit authenticate, but nothing happened. Is that normal?
Same happened to me, and no message like the last couple of posts. Same thing. The password field just disappeared. It should be normal. I entered my password and it disappeared, but in the backend it shows "Password verified" as true. |
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I'm not asking for anything. Just for a confirmation of username.
If you are not willing to proceed then this thread will be screwed.
Please contact Bitcoinica Consultancy for refund. They will definitely honor your claim.
You're allowed to communicate with me only after they reject your claim for any reason.
For others:
Please don't waste time (unless you want to play, like me) on someone who displayed explicit unwillingness to co-operate with the settling party to recover funds.
Tong Zhou, The reason I can not and will not tell you what my username is, quite simple. If I tell or confirm my username, you or someone will then see that I am also a very trusted seller at a very important site, and this is information I do not want anybody to know. Please respect my privacy. Because I do understand that it makes it difficult to confirm without a username, I went out of my way to prove that You Ryan Tong Zhou, know that Maria has an account with you since the beginning, you have solved problems and paid out Bitcoins in the past without any problems. You insist to push the responsibility to these new "owners" who bought bitcoinica from you. How much did they pay you? @bruno Sorry do not know his partners. Maria. I forgot your username, sorry. The last time we ever communicated about Bitcoinica account was almost 8 months ago. Now I can only assume that this is a scam, unless you are willing to tell me something, either via post, email or PM. I have absolutely no information about your account balance until you can confirm the username or email. The only username that I think that could be you at the moment is: 2122397500 Should I (or someone) do a search about it to see if it's linked to a trusted seller on some website? If yes then I can get you refunded immediately based on the balance in record (which roughly matches your claim). no 2122397500 is me  (i want the bitch's money!) OK. PM me the email address registered with that your name and I will fill in the missing claim. |
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I'm not asking for anything. Just for a confirmation of username.
If you are not willing to proceed then this thread will be screwed.
Please contact Bitcoinica Consultancy for refund. They will definitely honor your claim.
You're allowed to communicate with me only after they reject your claim for any reason.
For others:
Please don't waste time (unless you want to play, like me) on someone who displayed explicit unwillingness to co-operate with the settling party to recover funds.
Tong Zhou, The reason I can not and will not tell you what my username is, quite simple. If I tell or confirm my username, you or someone will then see that I am also a very trusted seller at a very important site, and this is information I do not want anybody to know. Please respect my privacy. Because I do understand that it makes it difficult to confirm without a username, I went out of my way to prove that You Ryan Tong Zhou, know that Maria has an account with you since the beginning, you have solved problems and paid out Bitcoins in the past without any problems. You insist to push the responsibility to these new "owners" who bought bitcoinica from you. How much did they pay you? @bruno Sorry do not know his partners. Maria. I forgot your username, sorry. The last time we ever communicated about Bitcoinica account was almost 8 months ago. Now I can only assume that this is a scam, unless you are willing to tell me something, either via post, email or PM. I have absolutely no information about your account balance until you can confirm the username or email. The only username that I think that could be you at the moment is: 2122397500 Should I (or someone) do a search about it to see if it's linked to a trusted seller on some website? If yes then I can get you refunded immediately based on the balance in record (which roughly matches your claim). EDIT: I know the email address linked to that username too. I have previously received emails from that address. So there's no reason I wouldn't trust you if you can at least give me some information. |
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Membership in a DRS is mandatory for FSPs who provide a service to retail clients, because it provides consumers with an avenue for redress when a dispute arises with their financial service provider. Membership in a scheme is a pre-requisite for registration as an FSP. Why did Bitcoinica LP not sign up with a Dispute Resolution Scheme? FSPs who are unsure as to whether they need to join a dispute resolution scheme should seek legal advice. Did Bitcoinica seek legal advice in this matter, if so what was the outcome? I haven't done much research, but to my best knowledge, DRS only applies to NZ residents. Over 99% of Bitcoinica customers are not NZ residents so they are not classified as "retail clients". I believe that the company had plans to amend the Terms of Service to mention the illegibility of NZ non-accredited/non-institutional investors for Bitcoinica service. |
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Is your username 2122397500?
If you can confirm that I will submit a claim for you.
That's the only record we have with such kind of balance.
First of all, when I said publicly, I meant the payment part (bitcoin transctions number, blockchain confirmation, etc). Not you posting private information and documents. If you find my passport, PLEASE DO NOT POST IT. Second, I do NOT want YOU submitting a claim for me, my claim was made here public and you heard my claim already. I will post here a few reminders: I am one of your FIRST USERS. I Signed Up the FIRST WEEK of operations. You have sent me BTC in the past with no problems. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42680.0I am happy to hear that payouts are being made!! Maria. . No one else will care about your public claim. I can get your claim immediately recognized and you'll get your funds in a day. Otherwise, we will report the funds as unclaimed and send them to NZ government accordingly. If you have an account on Bitcoinica with such a large amount, please be serious. Username and email are the bare minimum we require. I forgot your username and the only one I can found was specified. So far no one claimed under that account so I guess it could be you. If it's really the case I can help you submit a claim. I have access to the claim system and prioritize the processing. Zhou, You do not seem to understand what I am saying to you only. My money was trusted in your hands when bitcoinica.com was under your ownership, since day 1. We have done heavy business in the past and you made A LOT of money off my transactions. Then you come and sell bitcoinica.com without consulting me and without my consent. Because of this illegal sale, bitcoinica.com was hacked. Because of the hack, bitcoins were stolen. Besides the loss, the database gets destroyed. NO BACKUPS. Then you freeze my money and everyone else money... Now let me tell you how much this frozen money is costing me DAILY. 2,300 USD. Each day my trading robot is not trading is a day lost. I am not claiming that money at all, just the actual balance the last time I logged in my bitcoinica.com Ryan, all you had to do was send me a PM saying "Hey I'm selling bitcoinica to RandomGuy and I would have said Ok, Please let me withdrawal my balance before you proceed with the sale. Why you ask? Here is the reason. You never asked me for ID or Utility bill or any personal document, you allowed me to trade privately and freely, not like Gox did. If this new owner had different business plans, like getting FinCen or SEC compliant, then I would have to submit my documents which defeats the purpose of me using your exchange in the first place. I have to admit Ryan, at first I thought you was going to resolve the issue but when I read the post of you QUITTING bitcoinica.com I got worried. I knew something was very wrong, but it looks like you guys will manage and at the end, it will all be OK. VOLUNTEER NEEDED: To organize a List of the 100 Members. Greatly Appreciated!!! Maria. I'm not asking for anything. Just for a confirmation of username. If you are not willing to proceed then this thread will be screwed. Please contact Bitcoinica Consultancy for refund. They will definitely honor your claim. You're allowed to communicate with me only after they reject your claim for any reason. For others: Please don't waste time (unless you want to play, like me) on someone who displayed explicit unwillingness to co-operate with the settling party to recover funds. |
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just wondering, do the people who are getting emails have >10k USD worth of bitcoinica goodies? I'm somewhat close to that threshold and no email for me <.<
The sequence is pretty random, based on the information I have. But clearly they are working very hard to get everyone refunded as soon as possible. |
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That was a response to the claim. (and no, idiots I didn't make a claim to this crew over /email/ All I did was respond "Gox USD plx kthxbai"
It had the Claim ID in it It was foolishly not GPG signed.
You don't seriously think I would believe ANYTHING that came from bitcoinica.com, do you? That domain has been compromised. I wouldn't have responded if it HAD come from bitcoinica.com. TBH, I would chucked it if it came from hushmail.com - but somehow, riseup didn't raise my hackles.
Phantomcircuit contacted me on IRC immediately after I announced there I'd received this email - that lent serious credibility to the email. I did not ask him if it was legit.
neofutur also has received on of these same emails. He posted in #bitcoinica his email receipt was not questioned there.
The emails do appear to be legit.
EDIT: just so I don't cause confusion: I have received the email, but have not received any actual funds. While I don't actually expect them for a few days, I will belay any real optimism or celebration until that time, should it occur.
I will post here when I do receive the funds.
The domain was not compromised. The hacker directed the domain to other site because he changed the load balancer settings to act as a reverse proxy. The domain name itself was safe. The DNSSEC errors were because our previous registrar GoDaddy supported DNSSEC and we didn't disable it before transferring to another registrar that doesn't support DNSSEC. So some users from certain ISPs may have difficulties accessing the site. |
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Is your username 2122397500?
If you can confirm that I will submit a claim for you.
That's the only record we have with such kind of balance.
First of all, when I said publicly, I meant the payment part (bitcoin transctions number, blockchain confirmation, etc). Not you posting private information and documents. If you find my passport, PLEASE DO NOT POST IT. Second, I do NOT want YOU submitting a claim for me, my claim was made here public and you heard my claim already. I will post here a few reminders: I am one of your FIRST USERS. I Signed Up the FIRST WEEK of operations. You have sent me BTC in the past with no problems. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=42680.0I am happy to hear that payouts are being made!! Maria. I DO NOT make the payments. No one else will care about your public claim. I can get your claim immediately recognized and you'll get your funds in a day. Otherwise, we will report the funds as unclaimed and send them to NZ government accordingly. If you have an account on Bitcoinica with such a large amount, please be serious. Username and email are the bare minimum we require. I forgot your username and the only one I can found was specified. So far no one claimed under that account so I guess it could be you. If it's really the case I can help you submit a claim. I have access to the claim system and prioritize the processing. |
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We sometimes forget to thank the behind the scene heroes which in this case its the people of bitcointalk.org
For keeping records and providing a platform for the community so that we can come together and bring social justice to those whom wish to defraud the community.
That is why, after bitcoinica.com refunds me in FULL, I will donate 1000 BTC to the forum.
Maria.
So thats:
1000 BTC bitcointalk.org
500 BTC Bruno
500 BTC Gavin Andersen
500 BTC Bitcoin magazine
500 BTC First 100 Forum Members (5 BTC each forum members[ newbies not allowed ] )
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3000 BTC Total Donations.
BITCOINICA DEBT:
6325 + 9449 = 15,774 BTC
Current Mtgox Price is 5.60
USD 53,244 = 9449 BTC
Send My Money To: 1HJc5VLMpFCQJg2maP9wGuCo3NAgwaCJQj
bitcoinica, we are waiting.
Maria.
Is your username 2122397500? If you can confirm that I will submit a claim for you. That's the only record we have with such kind of balance. |
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Also ( forgot to mention in other message and can't edit ), who at 17 years of age has that many credit and debit cards  I am like WTF at that age you can only get a "student" card here in the UK and he has like 8 or something LOL I'm not exactly sure what it is for other countries or other cards, but... https://m.greendot.com/custom.aspx?T=terms_condition. I'm pretty sure that all available information is readily available online for each card and their use(s) in each country. I'm also pretty sure that if we dig deep enough, we could nail ZT's balls to the wall, while the other players watch nearby. Maybe we should be a tad more careful of what we post about ZT, but still post facts if they are clearly indisputable. Meanwhile, there's other higher-ups in the Bitcoinica chain that could still answer questions. Perhaps shedding some more light on how C B Heaslip of PushPay became a major player is a good start. Later, bud. ~Bruno~ In China, there's no age restriction to UnionPay debit cards as long as parents give permission. For credit cards, the minimum age is 16, but the liability belongs to parents. In Singapore, minimum age for debit cards is 16. In Australia, minimum age for EFTPOS debit cards is 12, and for Visa/MasterCard debit cards depends on the bank. (NAB says at least 18 but I had no problems getting one even though they are aware of my age.) I am/was resident in three countries and I actively use fourfive (+ BTC) different currencies. These cards were issued by at least five different financial institutions. |
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Funny thing really :
-two of the pics he is wearing glasses, two of the pics he ain't
-seemingly loves white color clothes
-first two pictures he is using white shirt
-last two pictures he is same rabbit shirt with blue under the collar
Paranoid FTW !
First one - 14. Second one - 15. Third one - 17. Fourth one - 2 hours ago. |
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Well, one guy says they have less than 10% verified. A second guy says over 75%...
Less than 10% by the number of claims verified. About 50% by the value of claims verified. *At least* 75% of funds (without adjusting for fake entries) are present in an account that I can access. |
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I guess you mean "character". Yes. Wikimedia Foundation Inc. is a non-profit that owns Wikipedia, Wikibooks, Wikiquotes, Wiktionary, and other assets. Not Wikileaks though. |
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Good idea to finally have a thread that is outside of the main thread for discussions.
The reason I said that is because it seems obvious to me that Gage is/was posting all sorts of things that I found to be completely impossible to believe and/or correlate with real life. He claims to have pierced some kind of secret veil and found that Zhoutong ....wait for it.... doesn't even exist. I'm sure that any of the people here that may have met him in person can attest to the absurdity of this kind of conclusion. I find no reason to pursue such a ludicrous and contrived parcel of things presented as evidence which are nothing more than proof of the opposite position.
Furthermore, in regards to the statements you made against ageis, I won't stick up for him personally. I just find that him being the hacker is hard to believe, given the fact that so much of his information is available already for those that care to actually look deeper into his online persona, which you appear to have neglected to do.
Finally, I will state that my involvement with Bitcoinica et al is nothing more than as a customer who deposited no more than a superficial amount of coins to try the service with. Those were withdrawn months ago and I now have a zero balance.
(P.S., Interesting that Liberty Payout also seems to think that I am involved with CoinXchanger and owe WME some money. I also hereby state that I have no involvement with that organization either, besides as a customer with a zero balance.)
I truly respect your candor here, rjk, and have no qualms with you or what you believe about me with the exception of the following. I wouldn't be so sure Phinn is just trolling for the lulz... I have posted many times for the lulz, but when I do, I've been signing said posts with ~Cackling Bear~ lately. (the moniker was given to me by Matthew in my old Indian Names thread) All other times when my postings are serious, or simply mundane, I sign with ~Bruno~ or nothing at all. I always try to be careful with my troll(?) posts, making sure I don't bring any undue harm to Bitcoin or, moreover, to whom my post(s) may be directed toward. Unfortunately, when it comes to this Bitcoinica situation, I am deathly serious in my postings, albeit my line of thinking may seem over the top, especially now that I've been concentrating a lot of energy toward ZT (I think it best to use initials as mush as possible when referring to him, just in case, in re. what genjix has so kindly pointed out in the other thread ~ please consider doing the same as much as possible, all)I will be the first to apology to ZT if I'm proven wrong, either by this community or from my research. I would love to stop this so-called madness if somebody here would be so kind as to post, or PM me, a recent image/video of ZT (or him doing it himself holding a sign that reads Fuck Off Bruno) with a backdrop and/or Bitcoin holding/having some Bitcoin related prop in the image/video, so that I can end this and get back to nagging Matthew, for I feel he misses me.  Until then, I'm still leaning toward the long-con and the he-doesn't-exist theory. Thank you again, rjk, for expressing how you feel about me. Later, bud. ~Bruno~ See how big a mistake you've made!    (Card number redacted with iPhone's "retouch". Also, a shameless promotion for NameTerrific on the card at the top of the stack.) |
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LOL Matthew is involved in every single shady biz in the bitcoin space, however unrelated it may seem.
That must a record.
Given his tendency to wildly troll, I'm not surprised he tried to leave the impression he's involved with bitcoinica. If he was, zhoutong would've mentioned it (zhou has been forthcoming about everything else and the "anonymous investor" / buyer has already been outed as Tihan). Matthew used to get loans from Bitcoinica for dialcoin and stuff. Matthew was involved with bitcoinica. How much involvement and how official was it, I do not know. I asked him to tell us but he did not want to, I don't know why. It's just a few personal loans. They aren't even tied to Bitcoinica. When the site was acquired, the creditor becomes me as an individual. Matthew was very familiar with the Bitcoin community and he offered a lot of help to me at early stage of Bitcoinica development. I really appreciate that. And I also donate a significant sum to his projects after the sale. These are all entirely personal so I didn't talk about it at all. He did advise me to incorporate in Singapore and I followed his advice for a month. The acquisition happened just when I'm about to form Bitcoinica Pte Ltd with two partners who have experience in this field. So I wouldn't think it's any kind of involvement or even CEO. Again Matthew, After you advised Zhoutong to sell our private documents without consulting, how much money did you make after the sale was completed? @Zhoutong How substantial was your donation after the sale? Maria. I also donated pretty much the same amount to Wikimedia Foundation Inc. Alright, Wikipedia was the de facto owner of Bitcoinica back then. |
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LOL Matthew is involved in every single shady biz in the bitcoin space, however unrelated it may seem.
That must a record.
Given his tendency to wildly troll, I'm not surprised he tried to leave the impression he's involved with bitcoinica. If he was, zhoutong would've mentioned it (zhou has been forthcoming about everything else and the "anonymous investor" / buyer has already been outed as Tihan). Matthew used to get loans from Bitcoinica for dialcoin and stuff. Matthew was involved with bitcoinica. How much involvement and how official was it, I do not know. I asked him to tell us but he did not want to, I don't know why. It's just a few personal loans. They aren't even tied to Bitcoinica. When the site was acquired, the creditor becomes me as an individual. Matthew was very familiar with the Bitcoin community and he offered a lot of help to me at early stage of Bitcoinica development. I really appreciate that. And I also donate a significant sum to his projects after the sale. These are all entirely personal so I didn't talk about it at all. He did advise me to incorporate in Singapore and I followed his advice for a month. The acquisition happened just when I'm about to form Bitcoinica Pte Ltd with two partners who have experience in this field. So I wouldn't think it's any kind of involvement or even CEO. |
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If direct refunds are still not an option, can you guys at least send the customer deposits into escrow until this mess is sorted out?
If you trust me personally, I can confirm that at the time of this post, at least 75% of total claimed value (even including the identified fake ones) is present in Bitcoinica's accounts. The team has considered to use a legal settlor to resolve this issue, but some of us believe that the cost is too high for everyone and the settlor may not have the insight to identify fake claims accurately. |
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Zhou, I believe I have posted sufficient information publicly in this thread about who I am to allow you to confirm my claim.
Do you dispute any of the facts I have posted? Are the facts I have posted in any way insufficient to allow immediate processing of my claim.
If yes, what ones?
If not, then send the refund as per the information contained in my claim and the confirmation I have posted publicly in this forum, or explain why you are refusing to do so.
Please be sure to consider your reply carefully. Your response or lack thereof to this posting and all of your previous communication regarding this matter is being used as supporting evidence in a criminal complaint I am filing against you as an individual.
I am required at this point to state that "Any refund you provide will not prevent a criminal investigation from going forward, but may reflect favorably upon you. Your co-operation is appreciated."
To the others at Bitcoinica LP, you may believe that the corporate veil will protect you from civil liability. Registration in New Zealand as a Financial Services Provider, may make enjoining a class difficult. I do not dispute either of these facts at this time. However none of this protects you when you act in a criminal matter, act in bad faith or with malfeasance.
In line with my previous post on the topic; At this point I am putting you on notice that I am actively filing complaints and will continue to pursue criminal charges against your entire organization. The charges I am alleging are theft, wire fraud, identity fraud, investment fraud, misrepresentation of material facts, failure to return deposited or entrusted funds and racketeering.
My next post will be to inform the rest of the forum how they can begin the process of filing criminal complaints against Bitcoinica as well.
I have no authority or ability to handle the refund for you. I was no longer the operator of Bitcoinica since April and I no longer own any financial interest of Bitcoinica since November last year. (I assume all operational responsibility until the take-over has happened. But after that, everyone knows that I'm not the sole operator of Bitcoinica.) Also, keep in mind that Bitcoinica has always been held under a limited entity. It was held by xWaylab Inc., and then Bitcoinica LP (with a limited company as general partner). If your loss happened before January 2012, the responsible party would be xWaylab Inc., after that it would be Bitcoinica LP. If you have submitted valid claims on Bitcoinica website, you should expect your refunds directly from Bitcoinica. |
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