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2821  Economy / Speculation / Re: What was the most deceitful speculation you ever fell for on: May 17, 2022, 11:29:35 AM
Looking back in hindsight, I don't think I really fell for anything like super deceitful. The speculative assets I bought in the past that ended up really really bad was 100% really dumb to start with, I was just being too blinded by my greed.

Someone telling you a shitcoin is going to pump to an arbitrary price is not a speculation, it is manipulation to create a pump so that they can sell their bags and get some of the money they've lost due to the previous dumps back.

As for bitcoin, if you are buying it so that it reaches X dollars after Y days then you are already doing it wrong and you are deceiving yourself.

Ah yes the good old ICO days where $hitcoins promise so much but fail
to delivernothing much has changed. So many people spent precious BTC
on useless projects, only a few were quick enough to offload at the right time.

So yea I ended up being a "bag holder" for some $hitcoins which I liquidated back
to Bitcoin at a loss obviously

In my very early days in Crypto I was deceived into thinking a "high yield interest program"
HYIP was a sound move, obviously lost on that and learned a big lesson too. Not really
speculatory but was naive.
2822  Economy / Collectibles / Re: LuckyFool 1oz Copper round DIY Wallet on: May 17, 2022, 06:31:45 AM
1 for me too please - I will make payment later today

This is a very different design all right, I'm guessing the material is a Bronze with
an aged finish

@MoparMiningLLC - you should have 2 other items on hold for me, can you ship
all items together?

....::::EDIT::::....
Payment sent, TX to follow.... sent
2823  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 44 countries will meet in El Salvador to discuss Bitcoin on: May 16, 2022, 09:58:42 PM
This is true, but what if anyone of the countries listed eventually got to adopt bitcoin as a legal tender this should at least make some difference in their economy by reducing poverty rate and unemployment, i think bitcoin adoption should still make some meaningful impact even on the developing countries.
No, not really. Bitcoins don't grow on trees and they wont simply become available to the population the day after they adopt it as legal tender. Sure, you can make an airdrop similarly to what was done in El Salvador. But Bitcoin won't land you a job at that auto dealership across the road if there are no jobs available, or no auto dealership at all due to the overall state of the country.

One might argue that Bitcoin offers opportunities of remote work. Sure, that's true, but so does PayPal, WU, Skrill, freelancing sites, and many other ways to get paid in fiat. There is potential for Bitcoin in areas where people are unbanked, but not if they sleep in the dirt, use a rock for a pillow, and don't even have drinking water. Those poor souls have more important things to care about than a decentralized economy.

There is a misconception going around that by simply having access to Bitcoin
guarantees you a way out of poverty. If you have nothing to start with and no
prospects to grow your wealth well Bitcoin isnt going to solve it. If by some chance
you came into some Bitcoin you would probably have to sell it in order to survive.

As Lucius posted above its interesting that all these countries and central banks
can meet together with a common goal or idea and sure Bitcoin can be a big topic
but hopefully there are more topics on the table which together with Bitcoin could hopefully
build trade, sustainability and security for these forgotten and unknown countries.

I find it quite interesting to see Egypt and Pakistan listed.
2824  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tennis League All Thread on: May 16, 2022, 07:31:05 PM

in terms of Swiatek
I dont think there is anyone currently who can beat her. maybe Barty saw her potential and
decided to retire rather then face her !!!
.

Barty afraid? Nah, she actually has a perfect record against her -- though there is something to be said about Swiatek revelling in an period where the best are either retired or out of form.


...and nobody being able to compete on her level ATM.

Anyone been following Dominic Thiem's progress since he is back playing? He was
playing Cecchinato today at the Geneva tournament and lost 3-6, 4-6. He will be
rightly frustrated with his progress.

I had a mini bet on him to win today but it wasnt to be, Its frustrating because be needs
game time to continue building but if you get knocked out early you dont benefit, obvious really
2825  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is everyone that got in late last year in the red now ? How bad is it ? on: May 16, 2022, 05:49:56 PM
Buying bitcoin or altcoins in the last 3-4 months is like playing with fire. Everyone who has been with bitcoin from 2017-2018 knows that it will soon explode, dump and break. I was trying to prevent my friends to stop chasing bitcoin, altcoin, or stocks but the only thing they can hear is the illusion of a "cha-ching" sound. Though investing in bitcoin is better than others, people are still suffering 30 to 50 percent in the loss. The tough time I guess. Now, what I can say to them is to hold and to wait. Patience is the key to leading us to success, no matter which fields you are working on

if they won't sell now, they won't suffer loss, right? that is, if they bought more than 30k. and if they do believe in this market, they can always accumulate more while we are in the 30k range, don't wait when btc is already in 40k or 50k. and regret that you haven't bought when it went down to 30k and below. some may be in red now considering the current market price, but as i said you won't incur loss if you won't sell. the reason why you bought btc is because you are a strong believer of this market. at some point in the future you will cash out with profits. so yes, better hold if you have no reasons to sell.
As long you wont really be selling out those floating losses then it isnt something considered to be a total loss since its not been materialized which people should really be careful on making out decisions because that would really be in result on regretting when you arent really that mindful towards your actions or on how this market behaves.If you are still that in green despite of the correction or plummet of the
market but still you do able to make yourself safe but the duration of holding is way too long or far off which means that you are the ones whom do decide whether its worth the wait or you should
have sell out before when price is playing around 40-50k and buyback when it hits up 25k.

Correct!

If you buy Bitcoin and still see it as FIAT you are going to be thinking Red and Green
depending on how the markets move. If you think in terms of Bitcoin and Satoshi amounts
in your wallet they dont change by the movements in the markets.

Secondly in times like this its best not to get hung up on the short term movements
in the markets, think medium to long term.
2826  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tennis League All Thread on: May 16, 2022, 06:01:41 AM
I put a bet on Djokovic to win after the first
few games at 1.47 so not too bad odds.
I can't believe you got odds like that after first few games. It was 1.5 before the match and after leading 2:0 or 3:0 I sort of expected odds like 1.15 or 1.30 max.


Apologies it was 7 minutes from the start time so I could have been the first game.
2827  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tennis League All Thread on: May 15, 2022, 07:37:23 PM
Yeah, well. About right that the only bet I've thrown into this Italian tourney is a losing one. All over too quickly, and the Greek gods didn't help Tsitsi, he needed everything against the dominant force in men's now. Oldest man to win Roman, 1001 wins, guy even said he surprised himself haha.

At least you got the Swiatek expected clean sweep, huh Trofo? 28-win streak but it's all up again with Jabeur as favourite for RG. Ons is at 16/1 though... something in me itching for a bet.



Yea straight forward enough win by both Djokovic and Swiatek and I would say both
are guaranteed finalists for RG.

The only player able to trouble Djokovic currently is Alcaraz and in terms of Swiatek
I dont think there is anyone currently who can beat her. maybe Barty saw her potential and
decided to retire rather then face her !!!
. I put a bet on Djokovic to win after the first
few games at 1.47 so not too bad odds.
2828  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why no one creates bitcoin v2 to allow new users to join the bitcoin wagon? on: May 15, 2022, 06:49:20 PM
There have been more than 19400 cryptocurrencies but strangely no one has come with an idea to restart bitcoin so to allow new users to buy and mine it from the start. We already know that 4 million or more have been lost. What stops a computer programmer to copy the entire bitcoin code and change only the limit from 21million to 20 million.
 What stops the average crypto user to not to invest in it?

Yes there have been forks like bitcoin cash or bitcoin sv but they dont start from 0

Satoshi himself stated that bitcoin is only one of the first, there might be superior versions of a cryptocurrency.


There are many of us who doesnt think it strange that there isnt a Bitcoin V2.

The vast majority of us follow the original. Bitcoin is open source and with the Bitcoin
consensus everyone involved to this date has agreed to follow the original.

We would all like to travel back to 2009 and mine the hell out of Bitcoin but we
cannot but anyone can buy Bitcoin and any amount they want.
2829  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Emirates Airline will use 'Bitcoin as a Payment Service' on: May 15, 2022, 08:38:37 AM
to be honest i don't see this as a positive news at all because it looks like they are trying to advertise themselves so that they can sell their NFT token and make as much money as they can.
So what if they are trying to advertise themselves and make more money, they are company that is focused on profit, not a charity organization and if fools want to buy NFTs, so be it. The important thing here is that they will accept bitcoin (most likely via 3rd party as majority of other businesses) so this is a good news nevertheless.

No matter what, the fact that Bitcoin's adoption is increasing every day is definitely a good news. Given Bitcoin still has a lot to offer. A bit of cheer to the sector will definitely help and maybe even create more buying interest.

It could be that companies today are realizing that the fiat money they got from the services they provide is less valuable already due to inflation.
Its probably more about giving more options to their buyers as I doubt that they will accept bitcoin directly and store it.

This. The need for more options is definitely there since, I assume, some fiat currencies are no longer so desirable.  Wink

Most major international airlines pulled out of Russia amid sweeping sanctions imposed by Western countries since the war began in Ukraine. But Emirates is one of the few carriers that is still operating flights to Moscow and St Petersburg.


For us Bitcoiners Bitcoin is definitely more desirable than FIAT. Slowly but surely that
realisation is going to increase. Emirates surely realise this and are in the position
to be able to adopt Bitcoin as payment and as they comment themselves....

Quote
“aligned with the UAE’s vision for the digital economy.”

Which also ties in with their NFT and Metaverse visions

Although the UAE is quite a wealthy nation it would be interesting to see how
much Bitcoin they get from people ipting for that payment?

2830  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tennis League All Thread on: May 15, 2022, 08:10:06 AM
@Kemarit handicap and not straight sets?

I have Tsitsipas ML,  Grin, odds is too tempting not to bet on him. Maybe this will be his chance to beat Djokovic who knows.

I remember that there is a tournament last year that Tsitsipas was leading, won the first set and was in the middle of the second. However, it was raining so the game has to be suspended for a couple of hours. However, when they come back, it was a different Djokovic and Tsitsipas has lost the momentum. So perhaps this might happen again but this time, Tsitsipas will have the mentality to win.

Last years Roland Garros final, Tsitsipas was up 2 sets to 0 against Djokovic than Djokovic
flicked a switch and won the remaining 3 sets!

TBH I cant see him beating Djokovic in the final today. Djokovic is playing great, Ruud
didnt get a chance yesterday. Djokovic sees the #21 GS ahead of him and this tournament
is the launch pad for RG.
2831  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Rugby] Union | League // Super|6s|7s|Pro14 | Cups & Tours | Olympics Touch..... on: May 15, 2022, 06:46:56 AM
Well after that display yesterday against Storm I would agree. Storm are so far the
most consistent team other then the Panthers if it continues it will at least be
a "two horse race"

I know the Eels were one if the top teams last year but they have had a shaky start
to this season and I still cant believe the Panthers couldnt beat them last week.

The first of mt 2 bets in the NRL has not gone my way, Sharks losing at home to what
were to 12th placed team, the Raiders.

Rugby League - Australia


Rollbit

Wests Tigers v North Queensland Cowboys - MLvNorth Queensland Cowboys @1.31 - Taken Amount $2 - Potential Win $2.62

Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks v Canberra Raiders - ML Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks @1.24 - Taken Amount $2 - Potential Win $2.42




Rugby Union

At least my European Champions Cup semi final bet on Leinster came through, Leinster
were too much for Toulouse, final score 40-17


Nitrogensports

Leinster v Stade Toulousain - ML Leinster @ 1.23 - Taken amount 0.1mBTC - Potential Payout 0.12mBTC[/color

2832  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Rugby] Union | League // Super|6s|7s|Pro14 | Cups & Tours | Olympics Touch..... on: May 14, 2022, 06:58:27 PM
A little late, but I'm going for the Knights over the Bulldogs and then the Broncos to beat the Sea Eagles later on. (The first game is already underway)

Canterbury Bulldogs - Newcastle Knights Money Line Newcastle Knights @ 2.15 Taken Amount: 0.10 mBTC Possible Payout: 0.21 mBTC
Manly Sea Eagles - Brisbane Broncos Money Line Brisbane Broncos @ 2.37 Taken Amount: 0.10 mBTC Possible Payout: 0.237 mBTC


A little later on and I'm already two from two.

snip

Melbourne Storm - Penrith Panthers
Money Line
Melbourne Storm @ 2.17
Taken Amount: 0.10 mBTC
Possible Payout: 0.217 mBTC


Two good picks so far Timelord! I'm somewhat impressed so far by the Broncos this season,
I wish the same could be said for the Rabbitohs and Eels. Still its early in the season but at
the halfway point I would like to see them securing their spots in the top 6.

Ooh thats a fearless bet on the Storm v Panthers game, this could go either way, I'm not
chancing it.

And the game between the Panthers and Storm wasnt even close, it finished up a
massive 32-6. It turned out that Storm were missing a few key players which hit them.
I really thought it was going to be closer .

The Rabbitohs win today against the Warriors but not convincingly, they let a massive
deficit slide by letting the Warriors finish within 2 points, score at half time 26-6, full time
score 32-30, not convincing, I'll be possibly holding my bets on them for a while.
2833  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Who do you recommend to follow/read/watch for beginners? on: May 14, 2022, 06:10:00 PM
So, as the question says who do you think a beginner could follow on twitter/read the blog /watch on youtube in order to learn/understand the cryptomarket? Basically looking for some source of info that makes sense to consume, as there are tons of garbage on the Internet.

I'm glad you realise there is tons of garbage to easily mislead newcomers into investing in
dodgy projects or promising all sorts of trading gains by following their referral links etc.

If you go to a thread I created a good while ago there are  links to free education if you are interested >

Andreas Antonopoulos is providing Free and Paid courses

Quote
Andreas M. Antonopoulos is a best-selling author, speaker, educator, and highly sought after expert in Bitcoin and open blockchain technologies. Andreas has served as a teaching fellow for the free Introduction to Digital Currencies course offered to the public at the University of Nicosia.

List of Courses:

Introduction to Bitcoin and Open Blockchains – Cost: FREE

Content:

Introduction & Completing the Workshop
What is Bitcoin?
What are RIPCORD Blockchains?
The Bitcoin Timeline
How to Get and Use Bitcoin
How the Bitcoin Price is Derived
Pricing in Bitcoin
The Transaction Timeline

Choose Your Cryptocurrency Wallet – Cost: $40

Content:

Choose Your Wallet Workshop Introduction
What is a Cryptocurrency Wallet?
Single or Multicurrency Wallets
Custodial or Non-Custodial Wallets
Types of Wallets
Hot or Cold Wallets
Top 5 Pitfalls to Avoid
Resources to Help Choose a Bitcoin Wallet
Practice Your Skills

The website lists two other courses set to Start "Spring 2021"

Path to Self Custody & Crypto Inheritance Planning




Andreas can of course be found on youtube > https://m.youtube.com/c/aantonop/videos

You can also view the vast amount of interviews with Michael Saylor on youtube,
he can vet a bit abstract with his analogies and descriptions but he is great to
watch to get you pumped up in low times.
2834  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tennis League All Thread on: May 14, 2022, 01:34:38 PM
^
OMG Swiatek made minced meat of Sabalenka today, 6-2, 6-1, she is very strong ATM,
she is the one who seems to be filling the void of Barty retiring.

I cant see Kasatkina or even Jabeur beating her. I like Jabeur's game but she can get
really negative during a match.

Back to FAA, I think he has improved a bit but his service game needs an overhaul, he doesnt
seem to have a plan B. Its kind of similar to the likes of Isner and Opelka IMO, they over rely
on the serve.
2835  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Environmental groups urge US government to take action on crypto miners on: May 14, 2022, 11:02:32 AM

Miners to my mind are plugged into the electrical grid, they are consumers of electricity, from the same source as every other consumer from household to industrial.
Not quite accurate. We know from global studies and data that bitcoin mining is one of the greenest industries on the planet, using a far higher percentage of renewable energy than other industries. Bitcoin miners have the advantage that they can set up nearly anywhere, don't need all the expensive infrastructure that other industries need, don't need to be near a population base, and so on. They can go wherever renewable energy is, utilizing energy which would otherwise be wasted and subsidizing renewable projects which would otherwise be unprofitable and therefore not exist.

Of course, I should know this because Saylor is constantly tweeting about it.

Its just a pity that info is omitted when reported on.
2836  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Environmental groups urge US government to take action on crypto miners on: May 14, 2022, 07:41:05 AM
Using energy is a right, you should be able to use it however you want and that is fine
I think this is a key point, actually. I think it insane that people spend huge amounts of energy on the manufacture and transport of TVs and cable boxes, and all the energy they use, to watch some of the most mind numbingly stupid content produced, such as anything involving the Kardashians. Not to mention all the energy the Kardashians use filming their TV series. Yet you never see me trying to ban the Kardashians or ban people from using energy on things I think are pointless.

Energy has a cost, and if you pay that cost, you can use that energy however you like.

snip

stepwilli made the point I was thinking reading down the thread. The way Bitcoin mining
is being demonised would almost make out that miners are creating electricity themselves
by burning hazardous waste like plastic, car tyres, used engine oil and polystyrene at
the backs of their premesis' and polluting every river they are close to.

Miners to my mind are plugged into the electrical grid, they are consumers of electricity,
from the same source as every other consumer from household to industrial.

The finger needs to be pointed at the creators and suppliers of grid energy who use
and burn predominantly fossil fuels, not the consumer, we can only use what is provided.
2837  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tennis League All Thread on: May 14, 2022, 07:16:13 AM
~snip

FAA lost, in straight sets, wasn't able to watch the game but by looking at the scores, it was really closed.


mental strength was a decider, and Djokovic is much better in this sets, where all came to tie-break, or last gem
Alcaraz was good enough to beat him in tie-breaks, and that puts him into top players, FAA lacks that strength, and that is enough for top10, but hardly enough for top5

interesting matches today, Zverev and Tsitsi as usual semi-final match lately

I caught the second set from about 4 games in, as the score line suggests FAA gave
Djokovic a good game, some of the winners from both players were phenominal and
for FAA to bring the second set to a tie break after being broken early on shows 2 things,
Djokovic can be troubled and FAA has improved a lot in 12 months. Yea I also think the difference
in the Tie Break was mental strength and ability, Djokovic seemed to be able to bring up his
level but Felix not. Very entertaining watch though
2838  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Rugby] Union | League // Super|6s|7s|Pro14 | Cups & Tours | Olympics Touch..... on: May 13, 2022, 08:33:23 PM
A little late, but I'm going for the Knights over the Bulldogs and then the Broncos to beat the Sea Eagles later on. (The first game is already underway)

Canterbury Bulldogs - Newcastle Knights Money Line Newcastle Knights @ 2.15 Taken Amount: 0.10 mBTC Possible Payout: 0.21 mBTC
Manly Sea Eagles - Brisbane Broncos Money Line Brisbane Broncos @ 2.37 Taken Amount: 0.10 mBTC Possible Payout: 0.237 mBTC


A little later on and I'm already two from two.

snip

Melbourne Storm - Penrith Panthers
Money Line
Melbourne Storm @ 2.17
Taken Amount: 0.10 mBTC
Possible Payout: 0.217 mBTC


Two good picks so far Timelord! I'm somewhat impressed so far by the Broncos this season,
I wish the same could be said for the Rabbitohs and Eels. Still its early in the season but at
the halfway point I would like to see them securing their spots in the top 6.

Ooh thats a fearless bet on the Storm v Panthers game, this could go either way, I'm not
chancing it.
2839  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tennis League All Thread on: May 13, 2022, 05:48:41 PM
Ah its a pity for Sinner, he was the last Italian on the Mens side uo to today.
He needs to develop to the next stage to be able to compete with Tsitsipas,
Zverev and Rublev for example or actually anyone in the top10. Maybe thats
why he changed his coaching team or part of it.

I am unconvinced too about Shapovalov, he has unpredictable performances
even from game to game.

One game left today FAA v Djokovic, I cant see an upset here really.

So 3 of the semi finalists are known at this stage:
Ruud, Zverev and Tsitsipas.
2840  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tennis League All Thread on: May 13, 2022, 06:09:23 AM
We can expect probobly Alcaraz and Djokovic at the French Open final . They are currently the best in the world and i think no one can stop them. Djokovic is finally picking up form and looks really good on the field and is winning now really easy against some solid opponents
Brave statement, to exclude Nadal from RG final Smiley Don't get me wrong I agree with your choices and based on current form Nadal is not title contender but it is RG and I just know he will show up there as totally different player. Those BO5 matches at RG just give him so much time to turn the match his way and I sort of expect him to prove once again who is the king of clay. Granted, this year he has a new contender and Alcaraz will have some say in the matter as well.
I somewhat agree, I mean we all know that Nadal is the king of clay and he really performed good during a 5 setter because maybe of his advantage to read the game and adjust in the middle to win. So it will be a good tournament for sure, we have a new rising star in Alcaraz, but I think Nadal or Djokovic will not be discounted as one of the favorites as well. If Alcaraz goes to the finals and eventually win then there will be no question about who is the next young player to take over.

Well guys Nadal was beaten yesterday by Shapovalov in 3 sets and Nadal has picked
up a foot injury, although not serious there has to be a big question mark over him in
a possible 5 set match or a number of them throughout the RG tournament.

Its a bit sad Alcaraz Is not playing in this tournament Sad

But hopefully it means he'll be fully refreshed and ready to go for the French Open, which would be great. I'd rather he skip a tournament now and be fit for Roland Garros rather than play at say 80% there.

Meanwhile, with Alcaraz out of the way, I suppose the big potential match-up in this tournament is Nadal vs Djokovic. If this happens, I'd probably favour Nadal... I think the way the draw is, they'd meet up in the semi.


BTW I've never understood tournaments where the semis are 1 vs 3 and 2 vs 4. Shouldn't it always be 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3?

As an Italian fan of tennis I do not hide... that I would have really liked to see him play here in Rome. obviously I am aware it is not the best tournament where he can play and after the last two successes he has to prepare for tournaments with a better ranking.
I Hope the wait is worth it Roll Eyes

With his current form he would have been a contender for at least a place in the final.
I personally think taking a break before RG is a good decision, its only 1 week and
it gives the body a chance to be 100% fit or as close to that as possible. He has a lot
of Tennis played and won and is clearly targeting his first GS win at RG.
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