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2881  Economy / Speculation / Re: 2.5 Years in Bitcoin and still holding. on: September 12, 2016, 10:49:09 AM
These are the people who i hate the most peopel who are just holding bitcoins for nothing because they dont make money with it and they crash the price of the bitcoin the best!

What you are saying is not right, some people hold it it indeed but they are not spending it due to the fact that they use it a as a investment.
Soon or later they will sell without any doubts so I think it would not be bad, the bitcoin price will not crash because of this..

i agree to this. There is no wrong for people to hold their bitcoins. It is just like keeping the treasure and once the price is right in the near future, it will be open and sell on high profits. of course, not all of the people with bitcoins are just holding it, there are also a percentage that spends and use it in trading and other related to investment stuff..
2882  Other / Archival / Re: Do you use bitcoin as currency or investment? on: September 12, 2016, 10:43:56 AM
I'm using it for both to be honest and its working out pretty good so that is a good sign, I use it for some payments but also hold a couple as a investment for later to make some good profit.
I think the future of the bitcoin is good and due to that its worth investing also.

I agree that we use bitcoin as both investment and currency -I actually would even recommend that we use all of the features and convenience that bitcoins offer.There is no sense of limiting its use because bitcoins is really powerful and convenient to use. If you just focus on using it as currency or as investment, then you are missing something.
2883  Other / Off-topic / Re: Will you quit your day job to go full time on bitcoin? on: September 12, 2016, 10:40:31 AM
Would never stop with my daily job for the bitcoin, I'm having a well payed job and due to that I think it would not be worth doing this.
If the bitcoin gets really big I'm going to invest more but not go full time on it.
Good for you having a job that can give stable income. i do agree that you can earn in btc but i think its not enough to sustain the daily needs of your family so its better to have a real job and earn extra through btc.

That is correct. Each person has its reason as to staying or quitting their day job for bitcoin. I decided to quit my day job few months ago and focus on bitcoin.. my current income is not even a quarter of my day job earnings but I still keep on going and held myself responsible for the decision that I made..
2884  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: When gambling makes you cry. on: September 12, 2016, 04:32:57 AM
It never makes me cry because i don't do risky bets
That is good to hear, I just hope you will continue to play gambling for fun only, me I have cried many times but I learn already so I am proud of myself I was able to enjoy gambling now that even if I lose I will not cry.
It is only good if you are new in gambling but when you get used yourself in gambling you will get bored in betting small amount of money because you will be tempted to bet a bigger amount then that would be the start of your addiction and will ruin your life, so be careful and always have the discipline in you.
Yup . Therefore , keep in mind for why you do gamble your money..? , if you just want to know how it works you can bet with smallest amount or use faucet if any . Like you said , peoples got bored for betting with small amount and deposit their money to get huge profit (and after that they will lose and ruined their life).

This is definitely true, people or gambler as we should say do get bored with small earnings only. That is why they try to bet bigger and bigger to have that feeling off satisfaction. However, what really happen in the process is that you will eventually lose along the way because there is house edge in casino. So, when you bet big and when in your few bets, you better stop and cashout already before you are hit by the house edge.
2885  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What is your reason to gamble? Fun or profit? on: September 12, 2016, 04:29:50 AM
I play for fun now, I was playing for money, but i lost 5 btc on gambling, i quit that, now i just play with a little bankroll, 1 btc max loss in 1 month.
I think gambling is not meant for you, If I were you I will immediately stop than losing more money in gambling. 1btc to lose for me is enough to quit in gambling.

The good thing I see here is that you have a parameter as to when to stop gambling. This is essential because if you don't have that parameter, you will just keep on gambling to the point where you will be spending money that are supposed to be used for family consumption and payment for bills and other necessary things in life.
2886  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: If you want to become Rich you need to Put Higher bets on: September 12, 2016, 04:27:22 AM
you should never do that to be honest, in my opinion it is better to not put big bets because you will lose money
Greedizness will never a solution to get what you wanted in life you should play smart in every game your facing with your oppionion is good and i am 200% agree with you mate better save that money for purposes and never loss that

In gambling, greed can turn gold into stones. This always happens to me before and I have witnessed a lot of other experiences from friends and fellow players online. We see that players are already winning big (as we see it in high rollers) and they tend to not stop and want more - and then few reds happen and they get wrecked.

what's sad is that this happens to many gamblers. I had a point in my life where in I almost walked home from a casino because I lost pretty much all the money I have. the sad thing with that is I already won quite a lot that night, three times the money I have in my pocket. but because of greediness, and thinking I might get a lot more if I place a bigger bet, I went all in in one go. well I learned a pretty hard lesson that day so I'm a more responsible gambler now Smiley

good to know and I am happy that you share your learning also to others. We either earn or learn. If we lost and never learn from it, then that is the time that you are really a loser. But if you learn from your loses, then you are not a complete loser afterall because you can get better the next time around.
2887  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: To Gamble or To Invest? on: September 12, 2016, 04:24:38 AM
i am prefer to gambling than invest because if gambling we can lose or win on our way
if investment we cant full control it we will regret if we lose profit because investment by other persons

You have more control in investment than in gambling. With gambling you just press a button and hope that you have a good luck and win. But in investment, you are the one deciding where to put your money. You analyze the company you are investing. So you know if your investment are well taken care of and will be profitable.

This is correct. You have the chance to get to know the company first before you invest but in gambling, everything is based on pure luck. Although, there is no certainty also in investment that you always be profitable. Of course, this is also a risk - that is why you must do due diligence first of knowing the company or currency that you opt to invest in.
2888  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do Girls also gamble? on: September 12, 2016, 04:21:12 AM
yes girls also do gambling just like men, i personally seen so many girls who are doing gambling in regular  basis, but i think the ratio of the girls playing gambling is comparably little as the boys have, and specially in Muslims countries there ration is almost zero.

You are right, there are many women already that are gambling online. I seldom see a number of women playing in brick and mortar casinos, but in online casinos, I always see them most of the time in casino chatrooms. If you are just new to online gambling, try to check some of the online casinos and go to the chatrooms, there you will see many girls chatting and betting at the same time.
2889  Other / Off-topic / Re: Will you quit your day job to go full time on bitcoin? on: September 12, 2016, 04:17:25 AM
I think that bitcoin is not yet stable  enough to quit your job and rely on this  as a strong investment. Time will determine how this  market holds up, and if those who were  early adopters will be living the good life..

i think if we can save more fiat for future retirement day with bitcoin salary it's a good idea, or we can earn more bitcoin then use it for capital to our bussines, so we can use bitcoin as real job and earn more than last real job
We just have to be goal oriented to save for the future, it is necessary to save because we might be tired working in the future and we think of putting our own business so if we have the savings it would be easy for us.

There will really time for us to retire from our works. When that time happens, we need to have good amount of savings for leisure and vacations as well as for emergency situations. That time also, we may need some medications. That is why, we need to prepare today for our future so we will not become a burden to our loved ones.
2890  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is their any safe methods to gamble? on: September 12, 2016, 04:10:49 AM
As of now yes there are some safest method in gambling people are lazy to find it how it works and if you find one dont share it to anybody so yout luck will never leave your side hihi kidding sharing is caring play smart play with strategy play with low bets play with all happines play with your guts

There's no way to play "smart" or with "strategy" in games like dice, slots, roulette, etc., no matter what you do, you will not get over the house edge, meaning you can't expect to see profit in the long run (lots of low bets).
True there is no strategy or play smart in gambling because it will be useless. Gambling is simply a game that requires luck to win or lose depending on our luck. But we can gamble safely to avoid addiction. Judi safe to avoid addiction is by betting small amounts and good self-control. It is necessary to avoid defeat in large amounts.

You have a point somehow but still even if you bet on small amounts then you play  regularly and  lose regularly it would also lead to addiction for sure since the emotion would  build  up especially  when the time comes that your aim to gain back your losses would sure come out and  you cant stop that it really depends on our self control and self awareness. True, there are no safe methods on gambling since  its a matter  of luck game only.
The secret there is just to forget your loses and you can do that easily when you are betting the amount you can afford to lose, there is no small or big amount in gambling because we do not have the financial status in life, what matters only is we can afford our loses and enjoy gambling at the same time.
Yes, if we play gambling and we just only use the amount that is intended only in gambling I think it is just okay and you can move on fast, but if you lose in gambling in Big amount that is the time that you will be thinking that you need to play again so that you can win what you've lose which is not good because the truth is you will just lose again and again. So before you enter gambling make sure that you just play the amount that is intended only in gambling.

This is true. Aside from doing proper bankroll management, we must also be able to learn how to properly budget our money for family and other things in life that will add value to it. We should not use most of our money as our bankroll - it must be just a portion of it. Each session will have its own bankroll and there is already a pre-bet system that we just implement.
2891  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: If you were rich, would you still gamble? on: September 12, 2016, 04:07:55 AM
i will not gambling for make money, but i am gambling for fun because i know that gambling will not give good money, we only get lose. so if i am rich, maybe i still gamble but i do gambling just for fun and not for make money.
It is fine to lose if we have a lot of money as when we are rich we will not be able to think of the money we lose but more on the entertainment we can get, satisfaction is our main concern to be happy so we can afford to lose and enjoy more in gambling because we have a lot of money to burn.

I never hesitate to spend money to things that will make me and my family happy. Of course gambling is not one of them. What I mean is travelling abroad or going for a beach with family. I also never hesitate to buy time for my money - meaning, I never hesitate to pay someone to do the easy tasks that would eat up my time when I personally do it my self.
2892  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to quit Gambling for good? on: September 12, 2016, 04:05:23 AM
Just try to find other thing that you like to do like reading books
Yeah seeking other stuffs to entertain you will help and find something that is not risky.
For me friends can also help and especially real friends that are really care about you.
Bond with them will also help to forget about gambling.

doing outdoor activities with friends is definitely a good way to stay away from gambling. How about biking around the city or mountain climbing? Or just spending quality time with friends doing charity works? I know this is very ideal but it can be done, right? Just make sure that the one you are replacing gambling with is something positive activities.
2893  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: September 12, 2016, 04:00:59 AM
safe your bitcoin in your wallet is the best steady income on online, but for offline, you can get start to work to get payments and do your work with best work and in the end of month, you will get some bonus because of your work.

with the rate of bitcoin that always fluctuative, i think it will be safe and steady income that we can get while we can make trading if we want to make some bitcoin.

That is right. When you are still new to bitcoin and investing, you better keep your offline job while studying how to gain more bitcoin - whether through investment, trading, gambling, and the like. It is not safe to jump to bitcoin right away and leave your day job work. Chance are, you will not earn easily back your day job salary through bitcoin if you are just new to this.
2894  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: When gambling makes you cry. on: September 12, 2016, 03:58:24 AM
It never makes me cry because i don't do risky bets
That is good to hear, I just hope you will continue to play gambling for fun only, me I have cried many times but I learn already so I am proud of myself I was able to enjoy gambling now that even if I lose I will not cry.

I have not cried really when I have some big losses. I just take a deep breath and go backward for a moment to get away with that bad and upsetting feeling. We are just human beings and we are susceptible of getting emotional during losing and bad times - but we really need to teach our self to just recognize those emotions and never dealt with it for a longer time.

This is where casino earns big when the gambler are carried away by emotions because it bets unreasonably already.
2895  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why is gambling so addicting? on: September 12, 2016, 03:54:35 AM
There are many reasons why people get addicted to gambling, some are here just for adrenaline, others think they will get profit if they will continue playing. Second type is worst, these people can easily lose all their money and fall into debt just to gamble more.
that's their wrong, to fall into debt just to gamble is not good. Gambling is just really not important at all in our life. This is just for an entertainment so why to fall into debt just to gamble.

Its the addiction or you may call it the ego and pride. They losed, then they want to get it back but it goes the otger way again. They come losing again until they want to loan being buried with debts.
And that is wrong with them, for me it better to stop than to still think of my ego.
I don't think they are doing the right thing to their life with this kind of scenario.
This is not really good at all and it should not be continue by other people also.
It should be stop or people should have their self-control in their every life.

Men usually act like that because we have bigger pride than women that we cannot afford to accept such defeat in any competition, and since we consider gambling as a way of competition we will do everything to win and losing is very hard to accept.
For us girls I think you were right, ego is so meaningful to the boys out there.
but for me it is easy to accept that I can lose in the game and I never want to waste another cent of my money just because of that ego.
Good job girl, I hope I am also a girl because I regret the times I lose a big amount of money many times and that is because of my ego in gambling, I am not actually greedy but when I lose I tend to chase my bets because the emotion is very high I cannot control anymore.

I bet that you have that personality that you will never accept defeat easily. That is why you keep on playing chasing your losses. This does not involve gender - this applies to all gender that have that personality of a fighter and never accept defeat right away. In gambling, you win some and you lose some - with this setup and you are a fighter, you see some hope everytime you win that is why you keep on fighting but keeps losing due to house edge.
2896  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: is gambling fix your life? or wreck your life? on: September 12, 2016, 03:50:40 AM
being happy in gambling will only depend on what kind of a person you are, are you wise or a fool? I personally benefited from gambling once and by that money I opened my business which sustains me to date. I cannot go back to gambling because I know luck comes only ones and I got it. So to me, it fixed my life because I was lucky and used my God given wisdom


Then i can say that you are a wise person then really don't look gambling as your primary source. You are lucky because you win and then you become wise because you used it to grow and not to gamble this one again and might just lose it.

Yeah, he is really a wise person, he got a chance to get a bigger amount from a casino and then he did not prefer to play with them and invest them in a solid business and is getting the profit till now, it is a good lesson for all of those who want to become rich with gambling or in any other field, they should have to grab the opportunity only and have to go forward.


I my self are having problem in controlling my self especially if i  win bigger amount on gambling but the good thing right now is that i realize earlier that i should quit gambling since i am not getting good amount from it.
I think you should quit in gambling for good because having that kind of mentality in gambling, the only thing I can see on your outcome is you will be wrecking your life if you addiction will be worse and you cannot control yourself anymore, it is better to be safe than sorry.

Gambling is good if it just for entertainment and you only spend money that you can afford to lose. However, this is easier said than done especially when you get the taste of big win and then busted in few minutes of playing. You will try to recover it by depositing more bankroll and then busted from time to time. Hence, if you are the kind of person that don't accept defeat, then better not go to gambling unless you want to be a professional gambler.
2897  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to stay away from gambling? suggestions ? on: September 12, 2016, 03:47:33 AM
Recently i have read an article in smartrecovery.org and there is this one way that really caught up my attention " Visualize what will happen if you give in to the urge to gamble".  Very simple if you can do visualize what was the worst thing would happen if gamble.

This is very interesting, I'll go take a look about the article. Visualization is really important - to visualize what we really want our life would be. I remember when I was just in high school, I read this book creative visualization by shakti gawain. I can still vividly memorize its definition (I am not copy pasting it, promise!) Here is the definition: Creative Visualization is a technique of using your imagination to create what you want in your life.
2898  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: September 12, 2016, 03:28:12 AM
Just invest handsome amount in bitcoins and wait untill bitcoin prices booms high.Thats the only way i could suggest you since you are not interested in trading.

Investing in bitcoin will never give you steady income, as you need to wait for a long time to sell them as you will only do that when price goes higher, and you cannot treat it as a regular income.

I agree, even in trading won't give you steady income daily. I think the only way for steady income in terms of bitcoin is through signature campaigns. But what you earn there is not really that big unless you own many accounts and have some good and decent campaigns. I think that would give you steady income but it would also require much effort handling them,

when it comes to bitccoin you are right signature campaign is the one to get income but we couldnt say that it is always there because sometime signature campaign closes soon so apply to other campaign again. But just a piece of advice find a real job full time job in your place then is the time stable income

That is right, bitcointalk signature campaign should not be treated as a full-time income source because it is not and the payout is quite low especially when you are just new in this forum. It is one of the best ways though to get a hand of bitcoins that you can either invest or use as bankroll if you are into online gambling.
2899  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why is gambling so addicting? on: September 12, 2016, 03:21:01 AM
Because you can earn very easy money in gambling
No way, that is not true, we can only do gambling easy but to win easy money you cannot do that consistently. The reality is we lose in the long run so there is no way we can make money.

that is correct because of the casino house edge - we can earn really on our first few bets but as we play longer period of time, we will eventually lose because of the house edge. This is the advantage of casino whether it is online of offline. Now, there is always ways to combat this house edge and that is by creating many sessions and good system just like of the pro gamblers.
2900  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: September 12, 2016, 03:15:12 AM
Maybe you should try investing in forex. There are already some brokers that accept deposits via bitcoin, and you can choose an expert trader to help you if you need.

Learning forex was one of option before and when I am about to get serious to it, I just stumble cryptocurrency trading. I just love it especially when you hit the starting of pumping and then take also advantage when dumping time. Although this is not healthy because of many manipulations, it is also profitable when you are lucky.

well, this is my learning stage about trading and when I get the hang of it, i will defintely go to forex trading one of these days.
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