I'm using bitcoin-qt v0.8.5.0-gef14a26-beta for Linux and the message signing fails when adding "NMC Merged Mining Addr" at: http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/mystats.php?cmd=options

The message I get is:


When I use "Sign Message" and then "Verify Message" on the message I just signed it works OK in the bitcoin-qt client.

Do I need the Windows version of bitcoin-qt to make this work?

Only whales are currently allowed to login and have their panic sell?  

Steak anyone? Dead bulls are piling up. The ship is sinking.

Thanks Finski, we can close down this thread now, nothing can top this.  

I recommend 'screen', and skip the '&'.

I keep forgetting this is about money, when looking at this thread from another angle, instead thinking about those stock related "Buy now!" or "Sell now!" threads it all makes sense. These negative posts are all about maxing your own profits by making as many people as possible get refunds.

Wouldn't it be smarter to avoid developing a prototype and paying for the ASIC mask if the goal is to con people? I mean, why bother now when they can actually make more money selling the product which is already out there.

If this was a scam/con BFL would be long gone by now, cashing out at the peak around new year already, close to the Avalon release. Unless you use the word "scam" to point out that the product design draws more power than initially stated in the features. I'm more worried the project will fail in ways so we all get refunded (my order was placed in early October).





I have to agree that total honesty would have been preferred, but to BFL's defense, they had the pressure from the competition to deal with back then and choose not to reveal too much which might have been a mistake looking at it now, in many cases I think they were just overly optimistic, it happens when working with something you truly burn for and invest all time to complete, makes you blind and defensive.

I've been following some threads in this forum, probably missed a lot of them, but categorically the insults early on from BFL where replies to forum users who were already bashing away at them, trying to undermine the whole project and their credibility. This is where my "lame walmart comparison" comes in; if you treat people as your equal in a community (including BFL), then everything seems relatively normal, two forum users arguing, both having valid points. As soon you start leaning on your rights as a customer and demand to be treated as such, then many will regard their replies as insults, but only because it is expected to wildly curse the company and get the bog standard "Is there anything else I can help you with? Lick your toes perhaps while you verbally shit all over me?". That said I think the BFL tactic of replying actively in this forum to defend themselves was a bad choice, it only made matters worse, but oddly enough it proved once again to me that they are only human, and actually belongs in this crazy wonderful community (unlike walmart).

As you probably noticed by now I'm still behind BFL here, supporting them. This is not because I believe every word they say, or to protect my investment. You might think I'm gullible or stupid, this might be true, but if doing business on internet since before the 2k shift has taught me anything it is to be paranoid. No, I'm backing BFL because I want to see this project succeed, and being painfully stubborn myself while watching BFL struggle only makes me support them more, even if it means carrying them over the finish line.

Posting something serious in the current tragicomic situation (from customer point of view) is probably doomed to fail, but here goes anyway.

When the BFL ASIC (ad)venture started I got the feeling it was a community project. Sure, BFL was already an established company with their FPGA related products, but the demand and inspiration was driven by the Bitcoin community. Back in mid 2012 it was all about cheering on BFL for taking on this huge challenge, with cheers, patting on the back and applause. Times were great and the anticipation grew among miners.

The rest you all know, with one delay after another, and broken promises. After dealing with electronics for the past decade and knowing a lot about the business this was something I expected, granted, not that it would take this long, still, no real surprise. Designing and prototyping (FPGA) a product is one thing, actually producing something ASIC based is a whole different ballgame.

Yet, even after all this time, I still feel like this is a community project, or at least it should be. How does a community act when their pet project is stumbling on the verge to fail? You help out in any way possible, keep encouraging those who work hard to make this a reality. Now they need cheers more than ever, this is that last stretch when everything has to fall into place.

I know from experience accepting pre-orders can be hairy, but as long as the company treat their customer payments with respect by refunding promptly when someone wants to cancel their order, then what more can you ask for?

After reading all the bashing here in the forums, some from competitor trolls, and some from customers, this seems more like an angry customer at walmart demanding a full refund on their toaster after ten years of use. Where did that community spirit go?

I have to admit it's a lot of fun to read all these elaborate posts here, serious posts mixed with jokes and one-liners. What makes it even more fun is that there is some truth to it, humor at best. I only wish that it was kept on that level, and not turn into something destructive making it even harder for BFL reach "our" goal. Yes, being a customer in a community driven project it is in "our" interest they are successful, it's not their responsibility alone.

ROFL. Laff-A-Lympics...

Tell that to Facebook.

I think it's safe to assume there will be rigorous prototype/beta testing before finalizing the ASIC based products for release.

Yes, perhaps if you only think about short term profits, and don't care about the reputation of the company. I for one gladly take any truth over bullshit though, stalling as a sales tactic to keep pre-orders would just make me more inclined to cancel.

My point is that BFL should give a date, since they are designing the product, then we don't have to guess like you just did. Even if they don't know for certain, I bet they still know more than the rest of us.

Ditto, or did you really think it would be January?

Yes, apparently, since you failed to read all of my post. So, we can expect ETA in January then, in the week of the 11th.

I think it would be easier for everyone if BFL just announced an ETA date ('E' as in "Estimated") when the first batch will be ready to ship, instead of: "While I can't give a hard date and say 'absolutely' this is the date, it looks like the week of the 11th, but that's the 'fuzzy' date I have at the moment and I'm waiting on confirmation on a not-fuzzy date from the foundry right now."

"Week of the 11th"...Hmm, ok, which month is that (or year even)?

If there are more delays, then just set a new ETA date, anything is better than this "fuzzy" crap.

Same here.

I was hoping for a reply like this, and I feel the same. Just making users aware of likely destructive scenarios, mainly that it doesn't have to involve Bitcoin speculation.

Ok, then lets have a new currency every single fork and see how that pans out, because that is in effect what a fork would mean in this case. In reality I think people would stick to the established Bitcoin, despite changes to core functionality eventually leading to central control and new rules.