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You'd be paying huge bank fees to open dozens of accounts around the world, also Euro banks typically require $5-20k minimum deposit to open for foreign entities. You're also exposed to local taxation, since you're taking local deposits. Now, how are you going to inexpensively transfer money around back to yourself through this network of banks? Can't pay $50 to wire everytime or SEPA fees.

Solution is use an online payment gateway that specifically does cash deposits
http://www.trustcash.com/

Have the gateway dump money to a TechnocashUSD account, or get an account at BoA and trade the deposited money for TechnocashUSD (.5% fee) from established technocash exchangers that already have BoA accounts. Great Success.. there's cash payment gateways for Europe too

That sounds reasonable, if the service works as advertised you can just eat the fraud if limits are low and not enticing for fraud because you'll have so much business. As long as you're bcrypting passwords and have other security, so your database isn't cracked and some carder can log in with an already verified account and start frauding away with a new card.

To scam you (i wouldn't, hypothetical situation) I would create cards out of dead fullz, which can last for 2-3 mos if set up properly. These are new cards issued to stolen identities. I would either rent a landline spoofing service to take the verification calls which is a team of people in Belarus or somewhere who just take calls all day to verify card and bank requests. Or just get phone contracts with the same stolen identities, as most organized carders do anyways with dead fullz and just switch out the SIMs. I would buy the limit for an entire month or two to get my limit raised, or provide other phony scans, then hit you with $16k in stolen funds from a dozen different accounts and walk away with bitcoins. Good payday for somebody living in Romania or China who's only investment is ~$100 to get the dead fullz, and a couple of months waiting to raise limits. They are already doing this on poker sites. Most of their income is from fencing Apple products where they only get 40% return, if they use your service they get 100% return and it's untraceable through bitcoin laundering to western union, so prepare for the hordes if there's a way to get $1k or more with Visa at some point.

If you can find ways around all these problems then you'll definitely have a popular service.

LiqPay when they first opened had perhaps the world's best anti fraud measures and were doing up to $500-1k in transaction after card verification and they were robbed blind. Now limits are $250 unless your bank responds to a fax sent by LiqPay authorizing the transaction, which no western bank will do as that's a violation of privacy to hand out customer info even to other payment gateways. You have to give your bank written authorization and pay them a fee to respond to the faxes, and still they tend not to do it.

ecardone the biggest Liberty Reserve exchanger takes Ukash directly somehow. problem with Ukash is they only pay out once a month, and will sock you with enormous fees as they've already signed agreements with wm-transfer (web money) and don't like working with other currencies, being that they are trying to build a corporate monopoly. the minimum fee to accept Ukash/PaysafeCards/CashU is something like 7%, and gambling and other high risk sites (or e-currency) are typically fleeced with 15-30% fees.

signing a direct contract with Ukash also means you must cash something like min $2-5k a month with them, and trying to just get a hold of a sales rep to register your company is like pulling teeth. if you promise them $10k a month in transactions maybe they will reduce your fees to 7%. maybe. that's not $10k in sales, that's minimum $10k in transfer fees you promise to pay them monthly. this is why there are so many Ukash brokers around, because they can trade around $5k a day in Ukash so are better to work with than Ukash directly.

Ukash was basically invented to facilitate online gambling, you'd have no problem taking it directly then using it to convert into bitcoins in the background for your customers. just find a payment gateway with it already built in and now you don't have to wait until the end of the month, the gateway pays you out within 48hrs sometimes same day. hopefully the gateway you pick does Cash-Ticket (European ATM payments), Russian ATM payments, Alipay (china), and local debit cards too. All non reversible transactions

http://www.paybycash.com/options/ almost all of these are prepaid/non reversible. I have no clue when paybycash pays out to merchants or what their fees are, but they're certainly not the only game around. typical payment gateway will charge you 10% for PSC and Ukash payments.

adyen.com is probably has the most options for prepaid customers, almost every country in the world somebody can deposit money or pay with a local cash card. they work with online casinos, and are based in the EU. just tell them no US payments. they also don't make you sign any contracts with minimum sales, you pay like 0.30 Euro per transaction for most payments, 10-20% for all the card and voucher systems. would be worth it, now somebody in Argentina or Brazil can walk into a supermarket and pay to get into your casino. if you apply to any gateways, don't say anything about Bitcoin. they don't need to know you are exchanging the money into something else. that will just add confusion, most of the sales reps are just drones anyways.

as for perfect money I don't trust them. they seem to be floated by the Hyip industry and at anytime could be seized/disappear or end up bankrupt like Euro Gold Cash went under. you could however as a casino probably sign a direct contract with them that they will buy back the PM wholesale from you at a favourable rate you can then trade into bitcoins.

if you really want to go sketchy, sign up with solid trust pay. they let you do visa/mc transactions, accept 3rd party wires, all sorts of shit. could float a bitcoin casino using them safely.. seems they ironed out most of their problems when they started out

also, this is the reason i'm building my own voucher system, because i hate Ukash/PSC and the other corporate voucher systems. big contracts, high fees, no way for small biz to get in. this voucher specifically geared towards cryptocurrencies payouts for merchants

I only know 3-4 sites that take Visa for digital currencies, they do it 'under the table', for around 15-20% fees, and for max $250. if it's not through LiqPay then they only allow you to do it after passing a ton of verification.. so much that it deters potential fraud for such little amounts and also drives away most customers.

You do fully realize there are countless carding forums solely dedicated to defrauding so-called 'Fraud proof/scraping gateways' who will now be looking at your service to cash out instead of mass ordering Iphones and fencing them.

There's a guy in Ukraine now who sells this virtual fraud system where you enter cardholder address, at the push of a button it completely changes your IPs, hardware, browser and plugin profile/fingerprint to something random so you can card away Apple.com all day long without worrying about pesky VerO fraud scraping.This is the kind of well organized fraud you will have to go up against and Visa/MC will not help you at all, they'll just cancel your service once too many chargebacks start happening.

The only way to do this safely is to use high risk payment gateways so if something happens after 30 chargebacks in one week you can just switch to a new one without having Visa fux0r up your real merchant account. If it were easy to do this, you'd already see a million Visa 2 Ukash sites but you don't for a good reason

Debit/ATM card is a good idea though. Why no other exchangers doing this I don't know, since most gateways that take live payments through Interac/Poli/iDeal/ect don't allow refunds.

I'm going to be listing companies on GLBSE soon. As the site grows, demand for a broker will increase. You can then expand to outside forums like talkgold, and all the hyip and investment forums where people with money that are willing have no clue about bitcoin/GLBSE but will want in.

Monebookers can be charged back, no exchange will take them unless they like to be scammed. They could pay you out with MB easily though

you should advertise Bitcoinduit on talkgold.com for free by making a post in their HYIP section. they're all ponzi schemes anyways, this one at least pays out better. plus it's an e-currency forum, they all know how to get bitcoins

O-shi.. lol, thought you were looking for US players. Since you're not, there's no reason you can't put a payment gateway on your site friendly to casino's that accepts prepaid payments only, stuff like Ukash, CashU, Cash-ticket, various Russian ATM services, Boleto Bancário, and all the other cash based payments with no chargeback risk (just opt out of all US payment options). Your own casino can easily convert them into bitcoins for the customers and load their accounts after payment clears, which is fast for prepaid methods sometimes instantly.

• customer uses 200+ prepaid and live methods (no chargeback) through your gateway
• gateway dumps funds into an ecoin.cc, or technocash account, or a bank account at the same institution as MtGox/whoever you want to trade with
• their account magically loaded with bitcoins ready to play as you change them in the background
• build separate site that will cash out the coins to ATM card, WU, wires, whatever you want
• resell those coins you buy back to future customers, save on exchange fees or sell back to exchange

Should also sign some sort of contract with BTC-E.com check out their payment gateway, all of CIS/Russia can use dozens of methods to get bitcoins to pay into your casino. Get cheap advertising from them on their site or something out of the deal, plus a good exchange rate.

I'd take the casino offer but am building a monster of a cash payment bitcoin gateway right now partly out of my own need for one to exist to point customers to. Would be good for casino payments too

Also, everybody do this: http://blackhatpwnage.com/index-site-fast-get-targetted-visitors-and-pagerank-boost/

It's an awesome way to rank your newly created sites, or old sites and get them page 1 quickly. I never use Facebook, Microblogging or twitter but you'd be surprised how much business you get from it.

Since I'm giving away ideas, another is to copy the site exchangezone.com but add in bitcoins, and the other alternative block chains. A site that exchanges every single digital currency that exists into another, through safe escrow, would be awesome. I have no time to run such a site, cuz other stuff I'm working on. Somebody do this. I promise a flood of customers :D

Whoever runs this could set everything up automatically, and take small percent of all escrow fees. Exchangezone.com did 2.5 million so far this year in exchanges. They're run by LR admins so limited to those transactions. Similar site is needed for BTC, but must be set up exactly like exchangezone (no USA hosting, domain, companies, operators, anything)

Or if you can afford the odd chargeback make your own voucher "Game CardShark Megaladon". This site decoy sells game cards which are 100% fine with Visa/MC policy. Apply to payment gateways with fast payout and good chargeback rates, like adyen.com or regional one's. Adyen has plenty of cash pay in methods that don't allow chargebacks in addition to Visa/MC. Now create a separate site that exchanges your game cards to bitcoins, WowGold, pecunix, anything. We all have an instant way to get BTC now and so do your casino customers.

The payment gateway dumps cleared funds in whatever Euro account you want 24hrs later, if you find a good one. Get an account at the same place MTGox or other major exchangers are and send them in bank xfers for bitcoin loading instantly at low fees since you're both using the same bank. You'd eat fraud, but if you're running a casino it's worth it for convenience.  

You make fees when customer buys voucher, then more fees when they convert it/sell to another currency (bitcoins), then on your casino, then when customers pay out because you're smart enough to build a network of bitcoin cashing out exchangers you can recommend to customers or sign agreements with existing one's. Profits, and you run the entire money chain

At this point eliminate any possibility of visiting the US (or flying in a US reg'd carrier, or boat) ever again. Seriously, no casino operator taking bitcoin should think of going there. Ever. Trust me some of my ex online casino employers are serving major time for simply being on an American Airlines flight WITHIN Australia (because fucking Aus deregulated their airspace, any carrier can fly domestic flights). They were arrested and deported at the behest of Nevada gaming lobbyists. Beware!

Another trick is to use pastebin.com
I made a few random sample pastebin's, on google.com search 'Where can americans gamble online' and it's already on bottom of page 2. Google 'Where can US players gamble online' and it's PAGE 1!

I did nothing, all I did was create the pastebin and click it 2x. It's advertising your site, I charge $0.00

It was on page 53 a few mins ago, and already ranked up. This might not sound impressive, but consider how much money Casino's dump into SEO companies to all fight for #1 page. I just made page 1 and 2 with 5mins effort using the most generic keywords. Add a tiny bit more effort and you're page 1 indefinitely, beating out Bodog's blackhat blog empire and others.

Now you pay SEO ppl and scrapers and blackhats to feed traffic to google searching for certain keywords and clicking the pastebin's and blogs you create with thousands of different IPs. Instant #1 page

If I were you, create voucher2bitcoin.com or something and take Ukash, PSC, Wallie, Paybycash and other vouchers. Then trade them with well known exchangers for cash into MtGox/Tradehill or your own accounts to buy bitcoins for players. These traders are online 24/7 and are verified on plenty of e-currency exchange boards. Just because PaySafeCard DE had to change all their pin#'s in the USA to non gambling pins doesn't mean you can't trade them with an exchanger into cash for bitcoins. These guy's pay out in Webmoney, LR, Sepa, technocash USD, WU, all sorts of methods. Find one and partner with them, and open a bank account in the same institutions they have. Effortlessly and inexpensively transfer money instantly with them and now you have a 24/7 site that can exchange vouchers into Bitcoin for all your customers.

Basically:

Enter amount:
Enter Voucher Number:
Enter Bitcoin Address to fill:
OR Enter exchange to fund (MtGox or Tradhill USD)

(your website calculates exchange fees and multiples by MtGox rate)

Receive this many bitcoins or MtGox USD:

Customer enters info, your site encrypts them and forwards to a 24/7 operation in Europe/Asia/Russia that's trusted who you sign a contract with. They exchange the pin# and give you technocashUSD or something else. Your script, or you can hire people to validate and manually xfer, then fills the desired address with bitcoins. They are gambling in 15mins, and you control all the money from start to finish taking all the fees for converting to BTC back and forth, gambling, and cashing out.

You should seriously create this, partly because I need such a site myself for biz and would direct everybody to it. Since you're a Casino can negotiate probably good fees with these exchangers. http://www.xmlgold.net/ is a bigtime exchanger for PSC/Ukash, they can build your casino a custom buy in page like they do for others.

@ssaCEO

you're doing it wrong. you go on casino forums as a sock puppet and tell all the other American's how you, regular joe schmoe are able to gamble online at this amazing site you found by loading it with MtGox/Tradehill or whatever and then instruct the other forum users how to pay in. 'hey guy's i just cashed out $1k bitcoins through western union at wm-center.com was paid out in 15mins!' or something too for icing. tell everybody all about how you sent your poker winnings to bitcoin2cash.com or whatever and received anonymous cash in the mail. tax free casino winnings through bitcoin? prepare for the hordes of new registrations.

nobody needs to own a bitcoin client, just click withdraw on MtGox right to their pay in casino address. that's the beauty of bitcoin..3rd party loading is no problem because there is no central authority.

then you create gambling blogs written by you called American Gambling Blog or something, and fill it with info about how awesome it is to use bitcoin to cash out anonymously and how easy it is for traditionally banned American players to pay in with step by step instructions.

then you pay SEO people to rank those blogs on google.

then you write a ton of Yahoo questions on answers.yahoo.com like 'Where can American's play online poker?' and answer it yourself with another account 'By using Bitcoin' then link your blogs that also link your gambling site.

notice answers.yahoo.com is always ranked near the top of any search engine. this is just a scratch of the things you can do to promote a casino. remember 99.8% of people have no idea what bitcoin is regardless of how many tech articles you see in the news, it's up to you to create the dead simple step-by-step instruction page with screenshots on how to fund an account or contract an exchanger to do the payments for you like wm-center, technocashier.com, xmlgold....

should get somebody here trustworthy to review the code for CSRF/Sql attacks
should also remind customers to never use shared hosting if running an exchange. somebody can root from another instance and simply adjust deposit.libertyreserve.confirm.tpl to their own account#

should also look into LR API security. look around talkgold.com for Goldcoders, they write HYIP autosurf scripts and have had legendary theft from their LR API calls if not implemented carefully and key constantly changed

Piracy = Copy
Your hypothetical situation is invalid.

Here's one for you, suppose there's a medication patented by a large Pharma corp that's too expensive for countries to afford? Suppose China, India and Cuba 'pirate' the formula and make inexpensive clone generics saving millions of people's lives. Would you still be against piracy?

This is what 'Intellectual Copyright' has given humanity:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/oct/04/microsoft-motorola-android-patent-lawsuit

A confusing web of endless lawsuits as corporations fight for control of everything

Thanks!
Repayment 11Nov

Everytime I pirate wareZ I'm pirating software/music/movies that I wouldn't otherwise purchase anyways, so no theoretical lost revenue is had from me.

If I like the music I'll go see the artist because they make direct revenue from concerts. Music sales completely go to the label unless they have at least 3 releases out already then maybe they'll get a small share. Bands live off touring and merch. As for movies, I'll pay to see it if I'm interested otherwise I'll pirate it out of curiosity/boredom. Either way I'd never hand over $15 to Michael Bay anyways so he doesn't lose out when I rip his stuff, basically I end up losing for wasting my precious time on earth witnessing his cinematic abortions.

BSD doesn't charge money, so I don't buy any software. Games I pirated for personal use over the years I can count on one hand, and all were shit pretty much anyways which reinforced my preference of being able to evaluate a full unrestricted copy before I had over $100+

There is no billion dollar pirate industry. When I was Razor1911 back in 1993 none of us made any money we did it solely for phony scene rep and for access to ridiculously overpriced software and basically this hasn't changed. In fact I paid something like $195/mth at the time in fees to run a shitty front end mailer to trade/sync files with my piracy downlinks out of my own pocket.

this is a bitcoin forum
talkgold.com and exchangemoneyplace.com are full of LR brokers

I only had to contact them once to ask what default root password they used if the VPS is reinstalled from console (they use the VNC password not the root password they originally give you) and it took around 24hrs for a reply which is pretty standard in most hosting. that was about 3mos ago

You can either return the MP for a refund, load a greendot ATM card and mail it to whoever you're buying off, or load a paypal account, drain to bank and then make a cash deposit for Pecunix somewhere.

Nobody takes MP reloads for Pecunix anymore there's too many problems

Just so you know for the future, moneypak reloads you need a scan of the receipt where it was purchased. Greendot will seize your account eventually and ask for them if receiving too many reloads from out of the area the card is reg'd in