It is still a holiday in many parts of the world so maybe they're not @ biz today. Will update as soon as I hear a response but would imagine transactions will go through before that happens

Emailed strongcoin to check the transactions, as those other 2 still haven't gone through yet. Usually only takes max 30mins

Strongcoin sends your first transaction almost instantly then delays the rest for.. security? No clue. Usually within 20 mins they all show up

First 8BTC showed up right away
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/6204144d0b891f60e37a3619914bdef57841e2bec1e2834c89ec2437f925f9b0

IBB 8BTC (still waiting)
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/6862eda77fed6bd26fe4f2d1b9e782c4043ab5262395aef760d17d5be6e93cbf

48BTC (..waiting)
http://blockexplorer.com/tx/37290453777fdfa7982580aeda8c7c8df0de83538aec746ce40d36f66dbd9217

Stuck out of the Country during Xmas. This was supposed to autosend and never did
Paid everybody back, sorry for almost a week delay. I'll throw in something extra in Jan to make up for delay, hold on to your addresses

Just sent from StrongCoin so may take a bit to show up
At least BTC prices went up Speculation has paid off (for the lenders)

8BTC
13rush3j2PLKquQcTvpFs97B5277UnTHKj
http://blockexplorer.com/address/13rush3j2PLKquQcTvpFs97B5277UnTHKj

8BTC
1DerDG2P6KzKzjWSyneC9yyfnKoHjrHsCT
http://blockexplorer.com/address/1DerDG2P6KzKzjWSyneC9yyfnKoHjrHsCT

48BTC
16CgAMBWzqXf7dZvJnx2Cdt7VFp8srEmc3
http://blockexplorer.com/address/16CgAMBWzqXf7dZvJnx2Cdt7VFp8srEmc3

sweet. thanks to IBB, psy & ineedausername

will payback as sched.

Thanks
Will PM if I can't raise the entire amount by Sunday. Also if anybody lending wants their affiliate link or something thrown into an ebook on Anon Finance I'm writing for Amazon Kindle let me know I'll link your service. I have 3 books a complete Anonymity COMSEC guide, a Anon Finance guide and a piracy scene/free TV guide. Will also write a casino ebook. They sell OK, around 600-1,000 copies a month

Ok, I guess I could offer for anybody who lends 5 BTC I will payback 8 BTC up to a total of 40 BTC raised (easy math lol) so my total payback would be 64 BTC distributed to 8 people. Paid out evening (6:00pst) Thursday Dec 22. Again if I wire money out of my accounts in Europe or withdraw from an Electron into cash it'll cost me the same, probably more as I get hit with $5 ATM fees and other BS fees. Wiring costs $35 flat fee plus currency conversion (3%) plus whatever exchange fees so this equals out.

Dec 22 my local account is funded and I can pay into Cavirtex or CanadaBitcoins for no fees ftw to repay.

BTC address: 17hznGF54E6BaLtu6zuVBzyFj9wrXMJpxp
This goes to a Strongcoin.com account. Kind of disheartening strongcoin doesn't like Convergence/SSL but I've used them before so far no problems.

Shared/distributed risk would work. Also can't trust ebay feedback, you can buy as much feedback as you want on forums like aspkin.com I think the going rate is $100 for 50 positive feedbacks but it's been years since I checked their private account selling and seeding forums

I guess I could also make a GLBSE entry for this

Require 38 BTC ($120) for some hosting and domains. Repayment 50 BTC ($155) 22 Dec or other terms.
Failing that could do 25 BTC loan, replay 35BTC.

This is basically same cost of me draining a Visa into cash and then paying all the ATM/Interest and deposit fees to get BTC so may as well give it somebody here. Have 2 prior loans here Thanks

Although it says you can't use a Canadian/UK bank to send money to Iran anymore, it doesn't say anything about walking into Z-Transfer this place in Toronto's Little Iran and handing over cash, then somebody in Turkey sends the bank xfer 5 mins later, or arranges cash collection anywhere in Iran. Was biz as usual there today along with Anelik storefronts and other wire transfer places that middlemen through Russia or Singapore

The problem is you accept money from people, and directly open bank accounts ect.

Why not just host your exchange in Costa Rica like LR and not allow anybody direct payments in. Let resellers like exchangers sell WBXdollars or pin codes to fund a trading account and if customers want to cash out in AUD, they find an Australian exchanger to do it. they handle all the ID, you just move around transactions internally and collect trading fees.

Before Feb 2011 you could just register a Delaware/Nevada/Wyoming LLC from some place like slogold.net or hkease.com and use it to open accounts but now the IRS considers these corporations 'non US citizens' and you have to report taxes.

If you already bank at HSBC you can just ask them to open you a US account in NYC or LA and they'll do it. They did it for me a year ago but I don't know about the new requirements. Otherwise you'll have to buy the cheapest IBC corp possible like a Belize/Seychelles Corporation for $600-900 and then use it to open accounts. No overseas bank will open an account for a US LLC so I at least with one of these IBC's you can open banks anywhere in the world if you wanted

What do you want it for? If accepting payment just get a payment gateway that works in the US and can deposit to you anywhere. If it's just for PayPal or something get a virtual US bank account for authorization then send the funds to your other PayPal account for withdrawal.

True, but then would have to worry about the safety of the bitcoind escrow.
Actually, you could create a safe escrow for every currency and every alternative cryptocurrency using this method if you wanted.

**EDIT
Notice exchangezone.com has operated for years doing this, and you can trade up to $10k

I emailed one of MtGox's addresses with this idea and just got a form answer back, telling me some nonsense. Somebody running that place, read this:

Create a clone of exchangezone.com except to trade MtGoxUSD. Goxchange.com or something.
You handle all the safe escrow of MtGoxUSD pins.

Now Europeans who want to cash out via SEPA, or local cash methods can do so.

Example:

GoxUSD to SEPA
GoxUSD to Local cash
GoxUSD to LR/WMZ/PM/anything
GoxUSD to Ukash/PSC
GoxUSD to ? whatever people want.

So if I'm a German and want to buy 3,000EUR worth of trading into MtGox I just go on this site, find somebody with it, and initiate transfer. System tells me they have received the Pin codes in escrow and it's safe to send this unknown guy money. (Your system takes their MtGox pin code, then changes it so they can't run away with it)

I send him 3k SEPA. He receives, then releases the codes to me through the system.
I then can instantly trade on Gox no waiting days for them to verify a transfer.

IRL you could be a cash exchanger, and then walk around with your phone and take cash payments, then in front of the buyer release them the MtGox pin code to their account.

Win/win? Liberty Reserve created exchangezone.com (free escrow) so they can expand trading into their system. Don't see how this wouldn't work for mtgoxUSD (or TradehillUSD..CryptoXchangeUSD..ect) Would only work if MtGox ran the site themselves for safe escrow, at zero fees just like exchangezone. Then traders can both negotiate fees between each other, significantly less than paying directly into MtGox itself. Yes, people can trade MtGox here but there's endless threads to go through. This is one easy point and click system.

In addition to chargebacks/reverses, some of those methods are easy to fraud

ACH - simple to fraud. Buy bank logins on any carding forum, send somebody here an ACH and get bitcoins. Run away with money, 24-48hrs later the bank reverses transaction

Intl wires - harder to fraud, if somebody does buy a stolen EU bank account and wire you money odds are it will be caught before you receive it, but could happen. Intermediate banks fleece your wire for bullshit middleman funds. Your bank probably charges $50 to receive it, avoid.

Online bill payments and other EFTs - easy to fraud/basically worthless.

Dwolla - simple to fraud. They are starting to sell stolen Dwolla accounts now

Paxum - same as the above

LR - no chance of fraud. LR basically tells you to go fuck yourself if you complain to them money is missing from somebody else using your account. Lol. Just don't activate the API

OKpay - doesn't allow chargebacks. Haven't seen anybody selling stolen Okpay accounts

Paypal - hot garbage. unless you use disposable ATM cards to cashout

Liqpay - worthless unless you live in CIS/Russia they will seize your trading account

Accepting cash deposit - fraud risk. LR exchangers demand you keep a receipt and write on it 'NOT FOR AUCTIONS' then scan it and send it to them before they release you funds. Prevents Nigerians stealing ebay accounts, and conning old people into cash depositing 1,000 dollars which they then run away with in untraceable currency. Grandma complains to the bank, they reverse the transaction.

Signing up to trustcash.com and selling through cash deposits in 10,000 different US locations - no chargebacks, no fraud risk.

Signing up to eCoin.cc and transfering money to each other (free) no chargebacks. Withdraw to ATM card. To load an ecoin.cc account you just buy in through an exchanger like technocashier.com to avoid minimum deposit fees

Accepting a prepaid WMZ pin code card (from www.buywmz.com somebody can buy with Visa/MC) no chargebacks. Can exchange these to anything with any Russian exchanger, or wmbroker.ca just don't sit on them, exchange them within 48hrs.

Buying a technocash gfx account and trading with each other for $0 fees - no chargebacks unless fraud. Can sell bitcoins and cash out with technocash for free, then trade it with somebody else for 1% fee into anything

Global Digital pay - scam, don't ever use

Euro Gold Cash - scam

Webmoney WMZ - don't use unless you're Russian/CIS country or just deal in PPD card codes.

CosmicPay - no chargebacks/fraud

SolidTrust pay - will do a chargeback if you use their Visa/MC merchant service to get funds otherwise no

Moneypak - you must have scanned copies of the receipts used to buy the moneypaks because they will eventually seize your account and demand them. Don't ever use, they rat to IRS/feds

Western Union - they rat to feds if continually receiving transfers. Anybody receiving over a certain amount or a total number of transactions before being flagged will get turned over to feds for review

Moneygram - even worse than WU

Interac EFT/email transfer (canada) - unreliable payment method, most online merchants stopped taking it because of fraud

Ukash/PaySafeCards - depends on the pin #'er you get (first couple of pin digits denotes currency, geographical location it was purchased, ect). USD paysafecards can't be used for gambling so are worth less on the trading market. You could spend 50% fees trying to cash it out. Ukash and PSC codes often expire quickly, cash immediately. Often online exchangers look for a specific pin# and then advertise that cheap rate, you go to exchange with them and they don't want your restricted GBP Ukash voucher.

Paynearme voucher bought in 711 - too expensive for anybody but huge corporate merchants to accept.

Accepting a debit/ATM card in the mail and having the buyer of bitcoins load it for you - great success, tho you don't want to stand in front of an ATM loading in multiple cards and withdrawing. Instant fraud flag. If cops are around they might arrest you thinking they're stolen cards, or a bank may flag the cards and review you on camera and cancel them. Switch up ATMs

Perfect Money - no chargebacks, but they are floated by HYIP scams and could disappear one day

C-Gold - does every transaction manually to eliminate fraud. Good system but fees

Pecunix - probably most anonymous system next to cryptocoins, and oldest.

Pay cloudflare.com $20/mth to scrub your traffic and never have another DDOS attack again. Even just using their free service mitigates almost everything people can throw at you

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/jun/20/icann-domains-expansion-annnounced

However fee is 185k to create your own domain, and application is 360 pages long.
Wonder how much we can raise for .bitcoin lol

Somebody will definitely buy gambling related gTLDs then sell off domains for it, so by end of 2012 can buy through registrars bitcoin.poker or bitcoin.casino ect.

Can't domains be anything starting 2012?
Like Bitcoin.poker or whatever you want

May want to hold off

http://blockexplorer.com/address/13K6ukroqbAcajtNezR4G8w94DyX96kVMK

Just withdrew 8 BTC on Cavirtex to make up for lost time, thanks

The voucher scheme I have would work for you, if you wanted to create StrikeSapphireUSD and have resellers sell it around the world, then take no risk funds from them for free instantly and trade it with MtGox/Tradehill/CryptoXchange into bitcoins for no send fees but minus their usual trade fees. I'm just seeing if I can automate the entire process. Will PM details sometime this week. If your software can be notified by bitcoind that a payment has been made then you can implement this already through technocash API

Startup costs: $200 to buy a technocash gfx account
http://www.technocash.com/pages/pds_GFXaccount.cfm
Ongoing costs: Nothing

Best part is you can offer your players to cash out via any digital currency, or direct method not just bitcoins and still pay nothing in fees.