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3021  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If you don't like something the solution is more regulation on: May 28, 2020, 11:32:09 PM
So he's complaining about Twitter on Twitter? The irony!

Not really, if you think about it. The left control the media. The left control social media.

Those articles and blogs and networks and youtube channels and radio stations that often complain about how the media is unfair to trump and fake news....they're also the media.

fox, breitbart, zerohedge, daily caller, newsmax, NY Post, tim pools youtube channel  <==all media

Where exactly is he supposed to be able to get a neutral platform? Flyers and a bullhorn on Pennsylvania Avenue?
He's the president, so...he could have a rally, a press conference, he could write a book, address the nation from the oval office, State of the Union, he could pick whoever he wanted and give them an exclusive interview, he could write an op-ed, he could just post what he wants on any federal website, he could post on his campaign website, he could make a new website, he could create his own social network, he could make his own cable network (isn't that the plan?)  Should I go on?
3022  Economy / Reputation / Re: More trust abuse by marlboroza on: May 28, 2020, 10:40:44 PM
Hey, what about me allegedly abusing the trust system by excluding users that happen to be included by TECSHARE? Or The Pharmacist allegedly abusing the trust system by excluding TECSHARE?
Added both.
See above.

Threads TECSHARE has started to complain about 'trust abuse' and 'censorship':
3023  Economy / Reputation / Re: More trust abuse by marlboroza on: May 28, 2020, 07:48:34 PM
@TwitchySeal

Do you see the sorts of low-life riff-raff that are floating about in this forum? Even when you stay calm and try to engage with them in a manner which can only be described as polite and courteous, they always fall back on their usual insult laden ways either by posting directly or by using proxies.
Of course.  I think it's kind of fascinating the way they behave.  At first I thought it was just an act and they were just trolling for the sake of trolling, but in many cases I think they honestly believe what they are saying to be true.

For example TECSHARE will never admit he's wrong.  I don't recall him ever changing his mind either.  To him, opinions are a form of weakness - his opinions are actually facts and you can't disagree with facts.
His obsession with trying to convince people he's a trust abuse victim and the mods have been conspiring against him is what makes me think he actually believes what he's saying.  This has been going on for years.  

Some of his greatest hits:
3024  Other / Politics & Society / Re: REEEEE: PussyGate, a Collection of Trump Investigations on: May 28, 2020, 01:52:50 AM

You really need to step back and take a wider view of these events.

This guy was a very short term hire on Trump's team, and that was several years back.

Nobody cares. Nobody SHOULD care.
Ahhh.  Just like Flynn.  We go through all the evidence, you and TEC go into Johnnie Cochran mode and when it's obvious there's really no defense, you decide not to care.

Not me. I'm simply asking you to take a wider view. I really don't care. Why should I?

Why should I care about some guy that was on Trump's team for a month or two years ago?

If you're only interested in pwning the libtards and being blindly loyal to Trump you definitely shouldn't care.  If the chairman of the Trump campaign actually was colluding with Russia (he was)...that would mean the Mueller report was justified (it was) and your whole world would be flipped upside down.
 
Definitely don't go read Pg 66 - 168: https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

And if you do, def skip the Paul Manafort section (129- 144).

No reason for you to care about any of that and risk getting TDS.
3025  Other / Politics & Society / Re: REEEEE: PussyGate, a Collection of Trump Investigations on: May 28, 2020, 12:20:53 AM
Are you trying to draw conclusions about guilt based on charges that did not result in a conviction on that charge by the jury involved?
I'm drawing the conclusion that Paul Manafort, former Trump Campaign Chairman, has a felony conviction for conspiracy to defraud the United States.  
You really need to step back and take a wider view of these events.

This guy was a very short term hire on Trump's team, and that was several years back.

Nobody cares. Nobody SHOULD care.
Ahhh.  Just like Flynn.  We go through all the evidence, you and TEC go into Johnnie Cochran mode and when it's obvious there's really no defense, you decide not to care.
3026  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: May 27, 2020, 08:46:49 PM

Senate would pick the VP -- giving it to Pence.

Presumably, the Senate would know in advance who the House will elect as President, so if Biden is going to be elected by the House, the Senate would probably elect Trump as VP.

Given Biden's mental state, he is likely to be much more than a figurehead President, and will probably not be able to serve his entire term as just a figurehead.

If Biden is President and Trump is VP, you may actually see democrats calling for Biden to either be impeached or to step down so Trump would not be eligible for a 3rd term if he serves less than 2 years as actual President after the 2020 election.

If you think politics were filled with drama today....

It is not constitutional for a president to serve a 3rd term, even by this convoluted route. He would not even be eligible for VP. Very interesting narrative though.

Prime is correct.  If he serves for less than 2 years after replacing Biden,  he could be elected for a second time and serve 4 more years.

Prime is saying the dems would force Biden out so Trump would be forced to serve more than 2 years and therefore ineligible to run in 2024.  (surely Trump would resign 1 day before he hit the 2 year mark though, right?)

Here's the constitution:

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Section 2. This Article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.



In this context the terms "president" and "vice president" are interchangeable, thus it is unconstitutional.

Biden would already be ineligible then.  He's been elected President/Vice President twice.

I might be misunderstanding you though.  What makes you think vice president and president are interchangeable.
3027  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: May 27, 2020, 08:35:31 PM

Senate would pick the VP -- giving it to Pence.

Presumably, the Senate would know in advance who the House will elect as President, so if Biden is going to be elected by the House, the Senate would probably elect Trump as VP.

Given Biden's mental state, he is likely to be much more than a figurehead President, and will probably not be able to serve his entire term as just a figurehead.

If Biden is President and Trump is VP, you may actually see democrats calling for Biden to either be impeached or to step down so Trump would not be eligible for a 3rd term if he serves less than 2 years as actual President after the 2020 election.

If you think politics were filled with drama today....

It is not constitutional for a president to serve a 3rd term, even by this convoluted route. He would not even be eligible for VP. Very interesting narrative though.

Prime is correct.  If he serves for less than 2 years after replacing Biden,  he could be elected for a second time and serve 4 more years.

Prime is saying the dems would force Biden out so Trump would be forced to serve more than 2 years and therefore ineligible to run in 2024.  (surely Trump would resign 1 day before he hit the 2 year mark though, right?)

Here's the constitution:

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Section 2. This Article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.

3028  Economy / Reputation / Re: More trust abuse by marlboroza on: May 27, 2020, 08:10:59 PM
Actually the feedback I left Vod is documented fact. No one disputes Vod doxed OGNasty and claimed to have reported him to the IRS. As far as the comment regarding his mental state, I have repeatedly offered to modify the rating and replace it excluding that part if he feels that would make it a valid rating, but he refuses to respond. Vod avoids a direct response at all costs, because he is well aware his actions are indefensible.



How is what vod will do in the future a documented fact and not an assumption?  Do you have a crystal ball or something?  Does vod have access to everyones doxx?

I understand he doxxed OG, but that's not proof he will doxx anyone else who criticizes him.


He did it. It is a valid reason for a rating, not trust abuse. You enjoy your semantic gymnastics.

You are claiming he will do it again.  Do you think that's a provable fact or an assumption?

Do you have proof he reported OG to government agencies?  Or are you assuming that he did that.
3029  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: May 27, 2020, 07:32:17 PM
Latest Rasmussen Report was pretty ugly.

Trumps favorite polling company sponsored by Trumps favorite TV network.


Quote
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll sponsored by Jack Posobiec of OANN for Wednesday shows that 42% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Fifty-seven percent (57%) disapprove.

The latest figures include 30% who Strongly Approve of the job Trump is doing and 47% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -17. (see trends).



https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_may27
3030  Economy / Reputation / Re: More trust abuse by marlboroza on: May 27, 2020, 04:43:10 PM
Actually the feedback I left Vod is documented fact. No one disputes Vod doxed OGNasty and claimed to have reported him to the IRS. As far as the comment regarding his mental state, I have repeatedly offered to modify the rating and replace it excluding that part if he feels that would make it a valid rating, but he refuses to respond. Vod avoids a direct response at all costs, because he is well aware his actions are indefensible.



How is what vod will do in the future a documented fact and not an assumption?  Do you have a crystal ball or something?  Does vod have access to everyones doxx?

I understand he doxxed OG, but that's not proof he will doxx anyone else who criticizes him.

3031  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Alex Jones Reports: Joe Rogan is at War on: May 27, 2020, 07:53:42 AM
Watch the Alex Jones video at the website. It's wild.
Serious question. Are you making any money off posting all these links to very similar looking sites with similar content.

Why wouldn't you just post the infowars link?
3032  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: May 27, 2020, 07:36:04 AM
Even then, if they hold the state delegations, that guarantees them control of the Executive for another 4 years. If the Dems picked their VP to be Biden, Warren, Sanders, etc --- they're just not going to be able to do anything but go settle some ties in the senate (their only real constitutional mandate). Anyone that isn't Pence / a Republican is just going to be relegated to join the other (MANY) useless VP's who just sit around and wait for their President to die.

The Atlantic has a good piece on this - https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/what-happens-if-2020-election-tie/593608/ - Talks about how close some of the delegations are (on both sides) and how the delegation race could be decided by one congressional district in many states.

Great article.  Kind of terrifying though.




Senate would pick the VP -- giving it to Pence.

Presumably, the Senate would know in advance who the House will elect as President, so if Biden is going to be elected by the House, the Senate would probably elect Trump as VP.

Given Biden's mental state, he is likely to be much more than a figurehead President, and will probably not be able to serve his entire term as just a figurehead.

If Biden is President and Trump is VP, you may actually see democrats calling for Biden to either be impeached or to step down so Trump would not be eligible for a 3rd term if he serves less than 2 years as actual President after the 2020 election.

If you think politics were filled with drama today....

The image of Trump being Bidens VP is a funny one. But if it were to happen he would probably get Spirrow Agnewd*.  We know for sure he's an unindicted co-conspirator in at least one case, I wouldn't be surprised if there are several sealed indictments waiting for him in Manhattan right now and the DOJ would have a green light to look into federal charges the second Trump stepped down to VP.

*Nixons VP was given a get out of jail free card facing multiple fraud and bribery charges in exchange for resigning as VP.  Ford took his spot.  And then he took Nixons 9 months later.
3033  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: May 27, 2020, 05:20:44 AM
Not sure what you're getting at here, but PredictIt is still going to be one of the worst sources for information. Biden is possible the worst candidate to face Trump come November. They literally had a chance here to pick someone that would energize their voters to not only get Trump out of office, but to bring forward Democrat ideals to the forefront of politics (Universal Healthcare, Community College, etc) -- but they picked Biden who is ugh-- Biden.

Would much rather go with 538 here - https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/  - I know this is just aggregate general election polling, but still much better then PredictIt gambling degenerates trying to pick something.

This is also pretty interesting to see as well - 538 aggregate of polls on the race for Congress - Dems have a pretty large lead on that at the moment - https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-generic-ballot-polls/?ex_cid=irpromo





I agree fivethirtyeight is the best when it comes to crunching numbers.  

No matter who's running against Trump, they're going to be pushed at the absolute worst.  Hillary was had great approval ratings as First Lady, Senator, Secretary of State and during 2008 primaries.  Even Republicans loved her.

Same with Biden.  His career was basically scandal free, nobody hated him, and after the 2016 election there was a lot of talk about if only it were Biden instead of Hillary.

Quote
Senate would pick the VP -- giving it to Pence.
Even if the Dems won the senate?  



3034  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: May 27, 2020, 05:15:06 AM
Notice anything off?

Trump looks happier than Biden? There is still some red left on the map? Alaska and Hawaii have been sold to Mexico?

I give up. What is it?

The market for next president has Trump favored 50 - 47.

But you can also bet on who will win each state, those 50 markets have Biden winning 290-248 electoral votes.



290 -248 is pretty strong.  In that scenario Biden could afford to lose WI or MI and still win.  If he were to lose WI and AZ, it would be 269 - 269...not sure how that would play out.
3035  Economy / Reputation / Re: More trust abuse by marlboroza on: May 27, 2020, 02:41:51 AM
Because he has.

Check the reference link for the negative feedback he left you for abusing the trust system.

I get it, you don't agree that with him - but he's already explained why he did it and it's been explained to you countless times.  Continuing to ask won't change anything.

He really hasn't. The reference is nutlduuh making assumptions about why I included people based on nothing whatsoever. As you can see above Nutilduuh freely admitted it was nothing but an assumption. If assumptions are the standard of evidence then I guess we can assume you and Vod both get together to rob children of their milk money. Making baseless assumptions is fun!

Yes it's an assumption.  But it's not baseless.

The feedback you've left him is also an assumption.  And also not baseless.

We all make assumptions all the time, including you.  There's no need to point it out every time.
3036  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon on: May 27, 2020, 02:00:31 AM
Can we please try to stay on topic without moderator's involvement. There are many other threads to discuss the grave oppression of masks and six feet of air.

This thread is for ridiculing Biden, Trump, and idiots betting on them.

Local rules: this particular bet, as well as betting on 2020 presidential election in general, and discussing the election itself is on topic. Everything else, including the usual P&S bullshit (you know who you are) is not.

Sorry, that was my fault.

Check out front page of predictit:


https://www.predictit.org/

Notice anything off?

3037  Economy / Reputation / Re: More trust abuse by marlboroza on: May 27, 2020, 01:07:40 AM
So Vod, clearly I abuse the trust system according to you... why is it whenever anyone asks you to substantiate your claims you can never do it and always default to just claiming you already have?

Because he has.

Check the reference link for the negative feedback he left you for abusing the trust system.

I get it, you don't agree that with him - but he's already explained why he did it and it's been explained to you countless times.  Continuing to ask won't change anything.
3038  Economy / Reputation / Re: More trust abuse by marlboroza on: May 27, 2020, 12:06:18 AM
What trust abuse Vod? Be specific.

The negative trust you have left for people you do not like.

Or the refusal of the same type of explanations you demand from others. 


Don't forget this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5182530.msg52385837#msg52385837
3039  Other / Politics & Society / Re: REEEEE: PussyGate, a Collection of Trump Investigations on: May 26, 2020, 10:53:22 PM
From "Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election" P. 66

So far I see a failed real estate licensing deal with no direct ties to the Kremlin or Putin, and Manafort previously doing some lobbying for USA allies, Ukraine. I don't see this claim supported anywhere:


his campaign manager was working with russia to help get trump elected.  he told them if trump won, they would have support from america on their invasion of ukraine.

You're only on the first page of chapter IV "RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT LINKS TO AND CONTACTS WITH THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN".  I recommend reading the whole chapter, but if you want to skip ahead Section 8 is all about Manafort. If you if you see a name you don't recognize, make sure you ctrl+f the name to find an explanation of what that persons role is.  The Russian names are confusing to keep track of - at least for me.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

The section titled 'Paul Manafort'
Chapter IV, A), part 8.

Pro tip: The table of contents is clickable.


Are you trying to draw conclusions about guilt based on charges that did not result in a conviction on that charge by the jury involved?


I'm drawing the conclusion that Paul Manafort, former Trump Campaign Chairman, has a felony conviction for conspiracy to defraud the United States.  

3040  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Vid of Biden admit bribe of Ukrainian Pres. to fire prosecutor investigating son on: May 26, 2020, 10:45:24 PM
So do you.

When you plead guilty to a felony in federal court you become a convicted felon.  A felony goes on your record.  You know that though.  Why don't you stop arguing in bad faith and just come out and say the only thing you care about is if they are loyal to Trump or not.  


Biden, Clinton, Comey....all criminal who haven't even been indicted.
Flynn, Stone, Manafort... all convicted felons - but the felonies they were found guilty of by a jury don't matter and the felonies they plead guilty to don't matter because a jury didn't find them guilty.  Oh, and you aren't going to bother even looking into the actual crimes yourself.  Much easier to just google "Michael Flynn is innocent" or which and paste the first 10 results to defend him.

"So do you."

What? What the fuck does that even mean? That doesn't even make any sense linguistically let along logically.

It doesn't make sense because you removed the statement I was responding to.




No one found Trump guilty of anything, but that doesn't stop you from claiming he is guilty of some undocumented unnamed crimes for years now does it? There is plenty of documentation and evidence supporting the guilt of Biden, Clinton, and Comey.
Now you're getting it.  Just because someone isn't found guilty of a crime doesn't mean they didn't commit any crimes.

You don't need to keep repeating the fact that Trump hasn't been found guilty or charged with any crimes.  I agree with you and that.  You're right. I'll say it again to be clear - Trump hasn't been found guilty of anything. 

I have looked in to the "crimes", probably more than you have.

All of your sources are from the media.  Just read the report.  The whole thing.
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