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3041  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What happens when we hit 21,000,000 bitcoins? on: August 26, 2017, 10:46:04 AM
C'mon. Not again. Use the search function for gods sake. Angry

It just dawned on me. You used to be able to quickly and easily do a forum-wide search by keyword. And that's the most intuitive way to search a site. Now if you try to do that, you get: "Select no more than 5 boards at a time." It's not an excuse, but I'm guessing this drives some noobs to make new threads rather than figuring out how and where to search for their question.
3042  Local / Трейдеры / Re: Update7! 25.08.2017 on: August 25, 2017, 09:55:39 PM
Еще вопросы?

Служба не доступна для жителей США. Как насчет возмещения? Если учетная запись была связана с IP-адресом США, может ли пользователь учетной записи регистрироваться через IP-адрес, отличный от США, для использования услуги или снятия? Извините за Перевод Google ...

Service is not available for US residents. What about refunds? If account was linked to a USA IP address, can account owner sign in through a non-USA IP address to use service or withdraw? Sorry for Google Translate...
3043  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will segwit empty the mempool? on: August 25, 2017, 09:21:21 PM
I will search for reference, but I understood that now we are still in a test case, and segwit benefits will become fully operational only after 2 more weeks after activation.

Everything is mostly being tested on the testnet chain, but the point is that if we are going to make use of Segwit, we have to move our funds away from the current non Segwit addresses (i.e send funds to Segwit address, where after that we can start ulitizing the Segwit update). If people aren't moving their funds, and just remain using Bitcoin as how they have always been using it, nothing will change, and thus they will continue to transact in the old fashion (i.e pre Segwit activation time) way. Look at Litecoin for example - a whole lot of transactions that are being sent are till this day still non Segwit transactions.

Thank you for this explanation. So the segwit public key is different? I thought it was just a matter of how the wallet craft the tx...

Yes, a Segwit-compatible wallet must support P2SH (BIP16) and its address format (BIP13). To receive payments, the wallet must be able to create a P2SH address based on a P2WPKH script (and be able to recognize payment to such addresses).

So, Segwit addresses have a prefix 3, like other P2SH addresses. (As opposed to the the standard prefix of 1)
3044  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do Banks fear cryptocurrency on: August 25, 2017, 07:14:15 AM
I don't think that banks fear cryptocurrency. The real currency of each country is more in demand becausec people uses money to buy stuff for their daily needs. And not all the people doesnt know what cryptocurrency and how they will earn it.

Okay, but what about ten or twenty years out? At the rate that cryptocurrencies are growing, they could be mainstream in most of the world by then. I think central banks fear cryptocurrencies, not necessarily because of what they are, but because people are losing faith in their national currencies. As investment money continues to move into BTC and other cryptos (and away from assets tied to stagnating national economies), this will become more apparent.

I think commercial banks could do fine in this environment, as long as they are adaptive enough to offer cryptocurrency services.
3045  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do Banks fear cryptocurrency on: August 24, 2017, 11:02:42 PM
Well using a currency anti banking system is for them accepting that the traditional banking system is not good as it was supposed to be. Banks have no reason to adopt bitcoin, in fact, the only thing they will adopt is the technology behind bitcoin: Blockchain

There is an important distinction to be made here between commercial banks and central banks. The OP referred to a warning made by a central bank, and we have seen this several times before. Central banks should be very opposed to cryptocurrencies because they have even less avenues to control it than they do other commodities markets like gold and oil.

Commercial banks, on the other hand, will do anything they can to make money as long as it doesn't put them at odds with banking regulators and the like. So they will be happy to interface with BTC, as long as they have the green light, legally, to do so.
3046  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL SegWit Activation Thread on: August 24, 2017, 10:29:56 AM
segwit is activated, so why no >1MB block has been mined until now?

Because SegWit has nothing to do with increasing the block size.

Segwit changes the 1MB block size limit to a 4MB block weight limit, so that's not true. It definitely allows blocks to have more data.


Among others, it's a more efficient way to store data so that it takes up less space in the blocks. In other words, SegWit transactions are leaner (smaller) in size so you can fit more of them in the same 1 MB block.

That's only if you don't account for witness data. Taken altogether, I'm pretty sure Segwit transactions are slightly larger than standard transactions. Future optimizations can make them smaller, though.


Looking at blockchain explorer now but can't quite see this happening yet. Give it some time, pretty sure most of the txs are not yet SW.

Block explorers are a mess right now if you try to look at a Segwit transaction.
3047  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are the forkers purposely trying to kill BTC? on: August 24, 2017, 06:59:21 AM
The micropayment markets have been gone for awhile.  Now the markets in the moderate ranges are being effected....many (almost all) of the early adopters were the moderate ranged markets ---> e-stuff, coffee shops, vape clubs....this is going to have a longer lasting effect I believe....confidence in the platform is waning.  Who's going to invest in a merchant gateway that's unpredictably fickle and subject to becoming obsolete?  I don't know, I'm beginning to think the bitcoin cash syndicate was right all along.

Maybe Bitcoin was never ideal for micropayments from a design perspective. They worked initially because there wasn't much demand for transaction confirmations (not many people used the network). Now that there is so much demand, we need off-chain solutions like the Lightning Network, which don't compromise the trustless model. LN's model may be different and off-chain, but it is trustless and fully compatible with Bitcoin. That's good enough for me.
3048  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are the forkers purposely trying to kill BTC? on: August 23, 2017, 11:56:31 PM
This is the kind of thing that happens when people wake up and realize they have been letting a central authority tell them what to do and how to manage their assets.  It's called 'rebellion.' 

As the supposed shepherds of bitcoin (because they control access to the primary bitcoin repository and get to decide which changes to allow), Bitcoin Core overstepped the bounds of authority for a decentralized system by kicking out one of the primary core developers (who tried to fix a problem) and then sitting on their hands and refusing to fix the scale-ability issue for which the masses were pleading.  (I suspect that someone with deep pockets and a strong interest in maintaining the status quo was influencing them.)

I think that's a misrepresentation of what happened. If you kept up with the mailing lists and discussion on Github, the vast majority of developers were opposed to Gavin's scaling recommendations. Yes, there was a lot of debating for years, but it was nearly two years ago that Core (a collection of many dozen or even hundreds of developers) agreed on Segwit -- particularly because they wanted to address scalability (including fixing transaction malleability for the Lightning Network) without the messy consensus issues associated with a hard fork.

The obstacle was the miners, who refused to activate Segwit for the better part of a year, until BIP148 forced the issue.
3049  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Craig W. only claims to be Satoshi, because he knows the real Satoshi is dead? on: August 23, 2017, 08:25:42 AM
Just an idea. If Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto, he would definitely risk the real Satoshi come up with a proof, that Craig is not SN.

What proof could he have? I guess he could sign a message using a key from the genesis block, stating that Craig Wright is not Satoshi. Even then, this is not definitive. Control of a private key does not prove your identity. For example, it's possible for "Satoshi" to sign such a message from the genesis block coinbase address key, and for Craig Wright also to sign a message using the same key.

What would that prove? Smiley
3050  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are the forkers purposely trying to kill BTC? on: August 22, 2017, 11:57:57 PM
The forks are shaking the very foundation of BTC's attraction ... that is away from the whims and motive of a controlling cabal. One could have been dismissed, but now a 2nd one starts establishing a pattern.

Bitcoin is killing itself!  Have you tried purchasing a cup of coffee, lately, with bitcoin?  Fees: https://bitcoinfees.21.co/  <---This is ridiculous ---> it costs more for the transaction than it does for the product itself.  This cannot hold....the forkers are trying to fix the broken platform, not kill it.

Give it time. Segwit is locked in and will be activated soon. Much testing has been done on the Lightning Network, and conceivably, transacting on LN could be much cheaper than transacting fully on-chain. And without any trust involved! But without Segwit, it will be much harder to implement. Even Segwit itself will provide a capacity increase, lowering fees in the interim. I'm not too worried.
3051  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What happen to bitcoin fees continues increased.? on: August 22, 2017, 11:41:12 PM
Significant numbers of miners are seriously moving their hashing power to BCC?  Is the difficulty so low that it covers the $3400 difference in price?

I don't know the details about difficulty, but it is has dropped a lot for BCH vs. BTC. There are sites that track the difference in profitability, and Antpool is now implementing an automatic pool switcher depending on profitability. This is the biggest drop in the BTC hash rate I've seen in a very long time. It's bigger than any drop I can see in the 9-month chart. No matter how profitable it is to mine BCH, Bitmain is likely behind the majority of this drop.
3052  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Hard Fork Part 2 on: August 22, 2017, 09:41:55 PM
Last time I sold the BCH too cheap because of all the FUD around it.
I thought BCH would crash right away, but it rose to allmost 0.5 BTC.

Woah! That escalated quickly. As far as I know BCH never reached 0.5 BTC. Do you have source for this? If what you say is true, i may be interested in BCH.

The peaks on Bitfinex were .26 BCH/BTC and .244 BCH/BTC. The recent highs were about the same on HITBTC. It may have spiked higher on some of the Asian exchanges, but I don't have a feed for them, nor can I trade on them.

Remember, it's a pretty illiquid market, so it could just be pump-and-dumped like other altcoins. It would take a bit more money considering the value and market cap, but it could be done. Buyer beware...
3053  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What happen to bitcoin fees continues increased.? on: August 22, 2017, 09:21:41 PM
Hi guys just want to ask why the bitcoin fees are increasing i just notice the fees here https://bitcoinfees.21.co/
where 450sat/byte I thought this issue is already been solve what happen to bitcoin Or we should need to go switch to bitcoin cash instead?
But the problem switching to bitcoin cash still not worth it  because there are still no merchant are accepting bitcoin cash here in my country.. unlike bitcoin..

Bitmain is going full speed ahead promoting Bitcoin Cash. First, the pump. Then the "automatic BTC-BCC pool switcher" from Antpool. Hash rate is falling for BTC -- 1 block is being generated every 10.7 minutes. And now they are back to spamming the network: https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions Blockchain.info is showing nearly 100k unconfirmed transactions (almost 100 BTC in fees).
3054  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BCH threat to BTC? on: August 22, 2017, 07:58:35 AM
I don't think so bitcoin cash is a threat to bitcoin or bitcoin market, though it has potential to increase their price but still there is no replacement available for bitcoin yet. Because bitcoin getting stronger day by day as world known countries start supporting bitcoin.
I agree with you, even though it looks like there is a similarity in the name, it does not mean it's the same as the different goals that make bitcoin strong for now, and see bitcoin continues to go crazy day by day to show the world that the bitcoin potential is good to replace Rail currencies in each of their respective countries.
After today, Bitcoin Cash will have the longer chain and more hash rate.

It won't have the most cumulative proof of work. And for now, the BTC hash rate has only fallen to the level it was at 2 weeks ago. Blocks are being found every 10.2 minutes (a tad longer than usual). So no major changes yet. https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty

It's true that things will get pretty interesting -- and fast -- if some real hash power starts defecting to BCH. And unfortunately, Bitmain probably has enough hash power to tip the scales in favor of BCH.
3055  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Another Flippening. The longest chain on: August 22, 2017, 07:54:15 AM
The longest chain is 'Bitcoin'.  Very soon, Bitcoin Cash will have the longest chain.  They are making blocks about every two minutes now.  Difficulty doesn't reset for some time.  This means, they will make far more blocks than Bitcoin Core in the coming days and catch up.  Even take over as 'the longest chain'.  Does this make them the 'true' bitcoin as it clearly says in the white paper?  

Uh Oh.  

What do you think about that one?

Just look at all those blocks!  They have some serious hash rate now.
http://blockdozer.com/insight/

Since the difficulty is much lower for Bitcoin Cash, it can't be the "longest chain" simply by mining a shitload of easy-to-find blocks. It needs the most cumulative proof of work (that's how Bitcoin works). Technically, they aren't in competition because BCH is not "valid" per the whitepaper.

Anyway, for BCH to have the most cumulative proof of work vs. Bitcoin, it will take quite a bit longer (given that we are already a few weeks out, and BTC still has a very significant majority hash rate).
3056  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Whoever came up with bcash was a genius! on: August 22, 2017, 05:50:13 AM
it has always been about the money with everyone. some more than others. they want to maximize their profit. some by taking over the (bitcoin) project and be the center of it, some by creating a new altcoin (like the 100s of others) to make money, some by doing something so they can sell their products (that is right, companies like bitmain are going to sell so much more mining equipment now that there is an additional low difficulty thing to mine), ....

we can just hope that this greed and childishness doesn't cause any long term irreparable damage.

Honestly, I'm worried, and all the more because of the November fork. If BCH continues to be more profitable to mine, and Antpool (and presumably other Bitmain pools) point more and more of their hash rate at it, that's going to disrupt the BTC network. Longer confirmation times, stuck transactions. More importantly, the network will be secured by increasingly less hash power.

And what are new investors going to think of all this? In a way, if you don't understand the intricacies of blockchains, it looks like Bitcoin can just be printed by forking the chain.
3057  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Whoever came up with bcash was a genius! on: August 22, 2017, 02:21:07 AM
OP, not only that. By creating BitcoinCash, Bitmain has protected their interests in the manufacture of ASIC chips because there is a Bitcoin developer who was been proposing a POW upgrade.

It also has increased the demand for their hardware since there are now 2 SHA256 chains.

After finding its own network stability BitcoinCash will then start their fight for merchant adoption.

Great point. Wow, this hadn't occurred to me. The BIP148 + POW algorithm change threat from small blockers and Segwit supporters definitely could have played into this. If a stable network and market with decent liquidity can be created around Bitcoin Cash, then Bitmain has indeed shielded themselves from the Luke Dash Jr. contingent of bitcoiners who have been pushing for a POW change.

When you add this to the matter of Asic-Boost and the interests of companies like Bitpay, all of this makes sense.
3058  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Satoshi: Bitcoin foreseen as major currency. on: August 22, 2017, 01:57:22 AM
Since Bitcoin has become a dominant cryptocurrency online, would you say that Satoshi had foreseen Bitcoin becoming a major currency today? Any speculations as to what or who were his/her influences in creating Bitcoin?

I recall hearing that Satoshi said that if Bitcoin caught on, that it would be worth millions of dollars a piece someday. So he definitely considered the network effects if BTC managed to catch on and go mainstream.

As for his influences, he published the whitepaper and code on a cypherpunk mailing list, so there's a starting point. He also referenced the 2008 bank bailouts in the genesis block.
3059  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Whoever came up with bcash was a genius! on: August 22, 2017, 01:41:51 AM
There is one major downside I can think of it know - Bitcoin Cash was created out of thin air, it is nothing more than a copy of Bitcoin blockchain.
Apart from obvious confusion it created, this move also brings an interesting question.
If split happened once - then what will prevent bitcoin network to split again in the future, for example during another scaling upgrade?

Nothing. A hard fork guarantees that the network will split -- to what extent is unknown and can only be determined after the fact. A soft fork is miner-enforced, so a network split can be prevented as long as a majority of miners support the upgrade. No amount of hash power nor user support can prevent a split from occurring in a hard fork, though.

This experience is sure making the November hard fork look a bit more complicated now...
3060  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Does Bitcoin Cash have a chance at overtaking Bitcoin? on: August 21, 2017, 09:43:49 PM
Anybody else getting worried that this may be a possibility?  Huh

Long term, no. But we could be travelling a pretty rocky road for the coming weeks and months. Rolling out BCH as an opt-in airdrop was much smarter than the Bitcoin Unlimited route. Now instead of trying to manipulate public opinion, BCH's backers (like Bitmain) can manipulate the markets by pumping the price (and/or dumping BTC's price). And they can manipulate the hash rate, too. It's gonna be a fun few months. Then we have the November fork, too! Tongue
Short and Long term BCH will have zero impact because it's just Roger Ver bleeeding his money faking volume but he cannot fake 8 megabyte blocks. BCH is game over in ~8 weeks as the scam becomes plain as day...

I'm guessing that Bitmain can. Someone paid dearly for years spamming the BTC network, to promote the cause of larger blocks I'm sure. I think that's why, during the BIP91 drama, the spam stopped and mempools were empty. At that point, it was better for Bitmain to support the status quo and give the appearance that Segwit wasn't necessary.

Roger Ver is just a sideshow here. His and Bitpay's interests pale in comparison to Bitmain's, in regards to AsicBoost. I think Bitmain's investors put in obscene amounts of money, and AsicBoost is world-changing for them.
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