Maybe he ran off with a mistress? I doubt we will ever find out the truth...
truth is... FC is loaded.. and you're not. I am not? |
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Maybe he ran off with a mistress? I doubt we will ever find out the truth...
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Because ponzi is the definition of scam, you can just search on wikipedia, it will tell you its a scam, if you search roulette or dice it doesnt say its a scam.
Scams are usually where a person gets duped into something without their knowledge and Ponzis are scams because in the real world their nature is hidden, but the ones in the gambling section here aren't so people know what they're doing when they send them money. Provably fair and odds, what are your odds on ponzies? Uncertain, no one knows, the owner could run any minute with your money.
Its like smoking, its bad and everyone knows it, yet people chose to do it, but that doesnt make it a good thing, it only makes them stupid Just because the odds are uncertain doesn't mean anything especially when people are willingly taking the uncertain odds, and like whether someone chooses to smoke or not that is their choice and you have absolutely no say on that. I agree if something is clearly labeled as a HIYP/Ponzi then it is not a scam at all. If the creator tries to hide that fact then yes it is bad/scam. |
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FYI: Quickseller has been removed from BadBear's trust list, hence, default trust list.
That list keeps getting smaller and smaller. I just had to double check my personal list and noticed it was gone  Not sure how I keep deleting my peeps...... |
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I want invest in new altcoin so I need fast transaction. Tomorrow offer will be expired. Shipping from Germany in 24h after payment.
Pretty much sums this up...just move along people nothing to see here. |
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Is friedcat still "missing"?
He can not get "not missing" after what he has done. He will be forever missing and laugh at his victims having some beer with his pals on some beach  Or rotting away on the bottom of some lake with some stones on its feets. And some random dragon head (bosses of triads, the chinese mafia) will laugh instead. I mean thats likely if you think about that bitcoins are interesting for the organized crime. If they came to that point and found out that there is a chinese company that is very rich and has no protection at all... then its not far fetched to take the possibility that he was taken by force. I mean nowadays a bank robbery will give you some measly K USD, though friedcat was a million USD target with no protection. If you think about it then its a wonder that something like that didnt happen before.  Though i really would like to know the truth. Organized crime could have gone in way before too. Or abducted by aliens and is being probed right now I think it is pretty obvious he ran off after this last gen was a bust. I do not think that was his plan from the start, but after multiple failed gens of miners he bailed. |
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Well played sir...that was nice |
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I appreciate the feedback and the research. I will be passing this along and see what they say about it. I have to agree with you that the reverse font does need some improvement.
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You do not multiply the markup times the face value. There is a 1BTC + premium for these coins. All Casascius silver coins command at a minimum of 1BTC+ of a premium. Take a look through previous sales and you will see the pricing trends.
Blazed, First, the multiple I reference is merely a way to compare prices across different coins - 1x face, 3x face, etc. Second, it's arrogant (and a bit naive) of you to say that all silver coins command this exact amount of premium. What makes you the authority over pricing? Why should any of us make buying decisions on what you randomly declare on some thread? The premium is what amount over face one wants to pay (or receive). The multiple is a way to compare that premium across different coins. And finally, it's only MY opinion when I say that X over face value is too much. The market price is whatever anyone will pay for a coin at any given period in time. I respect the good discussion and all of you (don't let my sometimes-sharp-tongue make you believe otherwise!) Quickseller, As for my purchase of the tenth for BTC0.71, i can share proof - how do I insert or paste an image to a post? My purchase wasn't made on the forum, but I can verify date, purchase price, and the fact that it's mine. I was speaking from my limited experience with these coins and not for everyone. From what I have seen silver Casascius coins command those premiums...I could be wrong. |
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Will the holograms have a window like Casascius used? Any chance of a plastic case for these also?
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Well my bid still stands since you are willing to ship first |
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Nice coins. I struggle with your valuations.
You're pricing the error coin at 6x face value?!? You realize that it's the most second common coin issued by Mike, right? Over 5,000 of these error coins remain funded (of a 6,000 mintage).
And the "tenth" coin is going for 15x face value? I guess I see your rationale for the higher valuation, because only 800 where minted, but 15x is way too much.
I look forward to seeing what these coins go for. My opinion is only my own but I believe the rationale on some of the offer prices for these coins are just insane and, worse, without logic. I think it's an important discussion for us all to have.
Cant speak for the error coin but if you find a casas tenth below 1 BTC please let me know. Would buy em at that price point all day. 1.55 btc is not too far fetch. They have been selling in and around there for awhile now. Why should the tenth be 15 times more expensive than other coins with similar mintage? Just because people want that much doesn't mean people should be paying it. I bought my tenth for BTC0.71. If we want fair prices we have to agree to only give fair bids and only accept fair offers. You do not multiply the markup times the face value. There is a 1 BTC + premium for these coins. All Casascius silver coins command at a minimum of 1 BTC+ of a premium. Take a look through previous sales and you will see the pricing trends. |
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Jesus 75btc for a 25btc coin that's unreal . Actually, given that BTC1 casascius coins go for 2-3 times the value of the bitcoin loaded on the coin, the BTC75 price tag isn't that far off for a BTC25 coin. I wish we had more information on what these coins have sold for in the past. Quickseller stated it above. Loaded 1 BTC casascius coins that sell for 3 BTC are receiving a premium of 2 BTC for the coin. The premium is the amount over the face value loaded and not a multiple of the face value. This coin has to be exceptionally rare, especially in the buyers eye to gain a price of 75 BTC with a premium of 50 BTC. I was just reading the casascius threads where the 1BTC coins were sold at 1.25BTC + 1BTC for shipping and 25BTC coins were sold at 28BTC + 1BTC for shipping. I'm not saying such a premium isn't warranted for this coin as I don't know the specifics of the backstory and previous ownership, but I'm guessing a 3 BTC premium back in the day was probably like $30-40? Right now a 2 BTC premium is around $475 which means there is quite a difference and we can just imagine what happens to a 50 BTC premium, eh? (approx. $12,000)How many of these coins were produced that make them this rare? I disagree. A valuation multiple is how one arrives at the premium. You or Quicksilver or anyone can say - all casascius coins should be sold for the same nominal amount over face value - it could be BTC1, BTC2, BTC10, whatever. The relationship between that amount and face value is the valuation multiple. You're right that the premium isn't a valuation multiple (they're different things). But I disagree with how you guys are approaching this. I believe the premium paid over face shouldn't be the same. E.g., by your rationale every Casascius coin should be sold for BTC2 over face value, so a BTC1 coin should sell for BTC3 and a BTC0.10 coin should sell for BTC2.10. That doesn't make any sense! One thing I do agree on is getting the conversation and debate out there. Here's a link to the mintage -> http://www.spotcoins.com/bitcoin/casasciusIt depends on the coin 100% 2013 Brass command hardly any premium due to supply and desirability. Some coins command huge premiums while others do not regardless of how many were minted. Take a look at the 2011 brass singles for example. The 2011 Series 1 (error hologram) has one of the largest premiums while the 2011 Series 2 (much less minted) command no where near the same. |
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Trying to take a picture of it next to other brass coins. It is one of the cleaner coins of the 2011 - 2013's I have, but pictures are so hard to get with multiple coins  |
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I will bid 1BTC if you will send first to me. Feel free to check my feedback and either agree or disagree with my bid.
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Quickseller and Vod will die soon enough.
Thank you blazed out for providing me with the drop address u sent quickseller's coin to.
Here I will state it publicly to keep it fair... Barack Obama 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Northwest, Washington, DC 20500 Deliver notes: Oval Office - Leave on desk |
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Very nice Blazed, You have quite the collection Best of luck on the sale! Thanks! It is amazing the difference with this MS-66 compared to others I am surprised it is not an MS-67. I should toss up a picture of it next to a 65 to show the amazing diff between the 2.. |
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Well for what it is worth...
TomatoCage and OgNasty are in my opinion the most trusted escrow guys here. I have personally trusted both of them with good amounts of coin. I think the "big 5" are all pretty legit and I would trust any of them with some of my coins...some with more than others. I would also trust some of the guys not in the big 5.
Overall I think this list is pretty good and I am glad it is being maintained! I have been doing some escrows lately (never asked/wanted to) and it can be sort of a hassle, so their fees/tips are warranted imo.
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