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3081  Other / Off-topic / Re: What video games do you play? on: September 27, 2013, 01:36:27 AM
LoZ: OoT

/thread

A couple years back, my son went to comic con in a hand crafted Link costume (he was 10).  It was so realistic (including a working ocarina on which he could play some of the tunes) that when he hung out at their booth playing the new LoZ game to be released that they all wanted promo pictures with him.  good times...
3082  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will The Bitcoin Investment Trust affect the price? on: September 27, 2013, 01:03:01 AM
Bloomberg already uses XBT.
link please.  Where are they pulling pricing data from?

It's a Bloomberg internal ticker. When it was first reported it appeared to be using Gox data.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-10/bitcoin-now-officially-schrodinger-currency

Sure, X is what gets used in front of non government currencies.  Don't have to tell me that.
I even added that to the Wikipedia article on the ISO 4217 myself  Smiley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_4217
XBT  isn't in the standard yet, but as it is in use (as well as XAG for silver and XAU for gold).
Goat was there with the assist by catching it and suggesting the 8 decimal designation.
My understanding is that the Litecoin Foundation is contemplating making use of XLT or LTC for some things.

The question is as user705 succinctly put it, from whence comes the pricing data.
Volume weighted averages are good because so much happens off the exchanges, which for a long time was dominated by Gox, but not so much at the moment.

I am struggling with this issue currently for my http://Http://coldhardca.sh (backing bitcoin with silver and gold) project.
3083  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Opinions on Impact to Bitcoin Securities on: September 27, 2013, 12:47:16 AM
It would be interesting to find citations for either of these, if you have seen them.

We do have guidance from FinCEN on registration fees, but haven't reviewed anything much from them on taxation (which would likely come from IRS instead).



Bitcoins are not transactable until converted to cash with regards to taxation.

That is an interpretation based on the guidelines set forth by the Canada Revenue Agency in April.

I assume a barter transaction is taxable but the conversion to fiat is where the tax is applied not in the bitcoin transaction itself.

Excellent, thank you for this and for the CRA citations.   CRA and FinCEN don't cover the same ground, but they do have a border.  Smiley

I've had some tax advice that runs counter to your barter interpretation, essentially that the unit of account in the transaction for purposes of taxation is going to be the taxed currency value (fiat value) of the bartered good.  And also that you can run into some trouble with having a highly valued account offshore and not reporting it (even if that value is virtual and unrealized).

There are a lot of folks that will say "just don't pay taxes", but when you have a lot to lose and much of that is not highly portable, it is less of a choice.  Paying exactly the right amount of tax and not any more than that is the other way to play, and finding methods along the way to minimize the tax burden by paying close attention to the things that the government wants me to do that I also agree with doing.

For example, buying massive solar power generation effectively reduced by tax burden to almost nothing more than once.  The government likes this because they are spending too much on protecting access to foreign energy (militarily), and it increases the resiliency of the energy infrastructure so if more was made here they might be able to do less fighting overseas and feel safer at home.

Less military, less carbon, lower cost energy for me, AND lower taxes... that was a win for all of us. For any of you miners with high energy bills, the US Federal tax "encouragement" is available until 2016, but there is no cap on the credit and it can be carried forward.
http://www.gosolarcalifornia.ca.gov/consumers/taxcredits.php
3084  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ANNOUNCE] World’s first bitcoin endowment fund nears $100,000 on: September 27, 2013, 12:26:36 AM
I am a member as well.
Some more information about Lifeboat can be found on Quora.

VanityGen looks fun and is a nice improvement, I can imagine some pretty funny payment codes coming soon...
3085  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will The Bitcoin Investment Trust affect the price? on: September 27, 2013, 12:24:23 AM
I dont see any reason why the ETF should not be approved.  The SEC has approved many double and triple leveraged long and short ETFs for indices, precious metals, ect.  These ETFs are almost guaranteed to lose value over long periods of time, especially the inverse ETFs.  Bitcoin should be much safer. 

There's no SEC S-1 filing for this.  It is a PRIVATE offering.

It may grow up into an ETF someday, but they get the first mover advantage for all of us accredited investors as we won't have to wait for Winklevoss ETF.
I don't know that it opens the door to the IRA investment yet, still researching that.

This is a good thing.
We who work with bitcoin, and use bitcoin or develop for it are not their market.  Not at all, but this opens a different market that most of us would not be interested in participating in because we do know how to do it ourselves and don't need what they are offering.

Consider your typical accredited investor.  We have tax lawyers keeping us safe and finding ways to do things the legal way, we have different types of investments, diversity is highly valued.  Using Second Market provides a tidy way for the tax lawyers and accountants to deal with the investment.

This helps to legitimize a bitcoin investment.  It puts in in the basket of FaceBook and Twitter.  So it is good for Bitcoin, generally.

They are not filing an S-1 with the SEC, but they are using boilerplate from the standard ETF filing.  The Winklevoss twins are forging ahead with that alone still. 
https://searchwww.sec.gov/EDGARFSClient/jsp/EDGAR_MainAccess.jsp?search_text=Bitcoin&sort=Date&formType=FormS1

There are dangers as well.  For example if this BIT fund ever DOES become the Bloomberg ticker for Bitcoin, if it becomes the default pricing mechanism for determining Bitcoin value, there are significant risks associated with that for Bitcoin generally. 
3086  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: Bitcoin EU Convention 2013 (Amsterdam, Netherlands September 26th~28th) on: September 26, 2013, 05:02:43 PM
Everybody is enjoying them self at the conference and I am just sitting here listening to a lecture about the RIP and OSPF protocol. Embarrassed
At least it's interesting.
Kinda. Not really something I need to know for my further job. I want to/will be a programmer, so why would I care about how the Internet works? Tongue

If you are writing code for a telco it could help.  BGP is for the bigger players, but OSPF and RIP are still abundant.
It still sounds like more fun than sitting in a Heathrow lounge waiting on a connecting flight, which is where I am now.
3087  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Assault weapon bans on: September 25, 2013, 10:47:06 PM
You have a point there.  Most gun use, and all nuclear use, is by government.
We've outsourced our culpability.
3088  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Assault weapon bans on: September 25, 2013, 10:38:00 PM
For the folks that need SSRI, they can probably be a great thing.  What they aren't is perfectly safe (and what is?).  The list of side effects includes things like suicidal thinking.  They are very widely prescribed and probably do good things for some but not all folks.  They are one of the most prescribed drugs. 
There is a lot of common ground between SSRI and weapons.  Most of those folks that use them do so safely.  Both are heavily regulated.  Both require an authority approval to obtain in most cases (SR excepted presumably, I wouldn't know), and when they go wrong it can make the nightly news.

Where they diverge is when there is some blame game to play in the media.  The reason for that divergence would be interesting to understand but all I'd be able to do is speculate.
3089  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: September 25, 2013, 10:07:54 PM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-24/tip-box-fed-made-it-possible-many-people-leak-it

You mean it was public information before 2PM?  Color me shocked.

seriously. i have high hopes for the results of this investigation.  Roll Eyes

If it were "public" it wouldn't be a problem for the trader.  It is a problem for the trader if it is non-public information upon which a trade is made.
Finding a public release of the information would get the traders off the hook, but could still point to malfeasance from the Fed folks that leaked it publicly.
3090  Economy / Collectibles / Re: New Bitcoin COLD HARD CASH by the makers of New Liberty Dollar on: September 25, 2013, 10:01:22 PM
The premium amount should be changeable.

Yes.  That is on the todo list as well.
Great minds think alike.  

These should be done ahead of formal launch at month end.  Maybe by the end of the day.

A little later I am thinking of changing the color of the # of ozt field to RED when the number is close enough to the next higher tier that it would be less expensive to get more...  but we are still doing a few baby steps right now.  No one should be getting 99 pieces...
3091  Economy / Collectibles / Re: New Bitcoin COLD HARD CASH by the makers of New Liberty Dollar on: September 25, 2013, 09:59:12 PM
Thank you!

Currently cannot change the number of Troy ounces on the site.

Logged this.  It should be editable by entering numerals, but the slider control we were using is not good with all browsers so we are swapping it out for an easier way to switch.
3092  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Physical Litecoins by the Litecoin Foundation on: September 25, 2013, 08:22:20 PM
It is very exciting to be sure...  With each new problem, it inspires inventive folks rise to the challenges.
3093  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Assault weapon bans on: September 25, 2013, 08:19:50 PM

The thread was some 100 plus pages long. Those generally against libertarian were arguing that that the knife juggler should be tied up, and people can't keep nuclear weapons. The anti-government crowd were quite adamant that such individuals cannot be violated against unless directly threatening you. I'm being serious.

My political leanings are more or less negligible, though am admittedly fascinated by the discourse.  There isn't a "party" that I can agree with or that represents my views, so I can't claim to be a libertarian, or anarchist, or any of that.  I am probably not even old enough to have enough perspective or energy for political matters being still shy of my 50th birthday by a few years.  My guiding principle is that more love is better, and am motivated to increase that where I can. 

It does seem like you have at lease some reasonable positions, at least about what could constitute "aggression" from your recounting of those proposals, and it looks at least like some NAP advocates that have a loud voice in the discourse would agree with you.

Those proposals don't seem likely to occur though, and I'd be reluctant to tar one person's beliefs onto another, or even on to the same person over time.  People have minds that change.  I'd venture that there are probably scant few "Libertarians" that would stand by and let that knife juggler endanger themselves if they were faced with such an event....

But I have found that there are many that are far too eager to create laws to solve social problems.  It seems to make little sense to take a single event or single bad action by an individual person (especially one who is particularly bad at making high quality decisions), and on that basis advocate increased law (guns) be applied to everyone pre-emptively on the off chance that they may become a knife-juggler.

Bringing this discussion back a bit to guns and assault.  Most all of the folks who are particularly bad decision makers in the US at least tend to make these bad decisions while under the influence of some particularly harsh psychoactive substances... Selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors being the biggest culprit here.  If one were to advocate a ban, SSRIs might be a more likely target than the particular weapon at issue, but I wouldn't even go that far myself.  There is probably some good purpose for them and they are perhaps simply over-prescribed?  It may not be an all out BAN that is needed, and just a bit more judicious use?
3094  Economy / Collectibles / Bitcoin Silver (and soon Gold) COLD HARD CASH by New Liberty Dollar on: September 25, 2013, 05:29:43 PM
Now that we have started shipping (pre-paid pre-orders only so far) and are about to formally launch into production mode for phase 1 of this project.  It is time for some feedback from you all on our QR link.

For those of you with smart phones, please provide comments on http://ColdHardCa.sh
The page is going through some rapid changes so it may disappear for short periods of time as things are being updated.

Again, many thanks to Preev, and Mike, and Edgar, and Reichart who have all been lynch-pins on the wheels that are making this phase a success.

The goal is to have it facilitate transactions.  Currency must flow or it has no purpose...
Any comment is welcome, what do you love, what do you hate?  What currencies do you want added?

3095  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [ANNOUNCE] World’s first bitcoin endowment fund nears $100,000 on: September 25, 2013, 04:02:10 PM
The foundation can be controversial (I doubt anybody completely agrees with everything they've done and supported, and some of their members are quite controversial), but I'm a member because they are doing a great job of building a community of people working on world-bending (and world-saving) ideas.

Also, I'm controversial myself, so who am I to judge Smiley

I've admittedly been called worse things than "controversial" myself from time to time.

The Lifeboat folks seem to have the right mission for the right time.  It may also be a timeless mission as we seem to bounce between existential crisis every few months. 
From Fukashima reactors, to politically motivated violence, to managing our atmospheric protection from the barrage of space radiation and balancing that with the heat retention.
With each advance of human capability we lunge forward into a new uncharted region.

Bitcoin is a part of this ecosystem as it reduces friction for our motion and lunges, it increases productivity and personal empowerment.  We desperately need an effective backstop management which is not itself tethered to the things that are sinking the ship, hence a lifeboat, I like the notion.  That they have recognized cryptography as one of the catalysts puts them close to my heart, and I have great affinity for many of their areas of focus.

That they are non-profit, non-regional, non-government seems like the right structure and I've seen nothing bad come out of these folks so they have my support as well.  I wish them every success.
3096  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Opinions on Impact to Bitcoin Securities on: September 25, 2013, 10:28:49 AM

Bitcoins are not transactable until converted to cash with regards to taxation.


From Fincen we know that MSB's need to pay taxes but not individuals,

It would be interesting to find citations for either of these, if you have seen them.

We do have guidance from FinCEN on registration fees, but haven't reviewed anything much from them on taxation (which would likely come from IRS instead).

3097  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: Bitcoin EU Convention 2013 (Amsterdam, Netherlands September 26th~28th) on: September 25, 2013, 09:58:49 AM
My deep apologies to those anticipating my session on Thursday morning at 10:10am in Amsterdam.  As it turns, out I will need to miss the flight that would have brought me there on time and will be making a later one and so, not arriving until Thursday evening. 
It can't be helped, and I wish it were otherwise...

I don't know yet if the conference scheduling will accommodate a different session at this late hour, but I've asked. In any case I look forward to discovering that, and meeting as many of you as possible after I arrive Thursday evening.

Luckily we managed to procure Esteban van Goor from PriceWaterhouseCooper to speak about tax laws in Europe, capital gains, and eGambling at 10:10.

Looking forward!

Well done!
3098  Economy / Collectibles / Re: New Bitcoin COLD HARD CASH by the makers of New Liberty Dollar on: September 25, 2013, 09:41:24 AM
We had some fun working out the possibilities and experimenting with the specular vs diffuse reflective properties of silver at different wavelengths to create enough contrasting difference for a QR code reading with enough reliability to be workable (but you still have to consider your lighting and smartphone focal points a bit when the pieces are new and shiny)
Gold has some slightly different characteristics, but we are pretty sure we can make it work without having to resort to enameling or inlay or such like that.  And the experimenting will be fun.

We like the look, and the feel, of gold on its own.
3099  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Assault weapon bans on: September 25, 2013, 09:15:05 AM
Rassah, haven't you figured out yet that these two have no idea what NAP means? I think they think we're taking a sleep break Smiley

For those who don't know, the wiki link is pretty decent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle

We've been discussing NAP here for a long time. Right back to the days over two years ago when the NAP proponents were going on about the injustice of violating the rights of a knife juggler practicing his art of juggling on an inflatable raft with five other passengers in the middle of the ocean with sharks circling.

Don't even make assumptions about our awareness of NAP.

We were discussing it back in the days when the NAP proponents were saying how wrong it would be to violate the rights of people who wished to walk about with rain drop triggered nuclear weapons on cloudy days.

Did you claim these extreme examples of passive aggression were not aggression, or did they?
If it was they, then it looks like you are right and they were wrong about what is non-aggression, at least according to this guy:
http://andrewglidden.com/refining-the-nap-with-passive-aggression/
But again, I am in no way an expert on NAP and the definition of "aggression" may be a moving target for the principle, for all I know.
3100  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: September 25, 2013, 04:43:11 AM
Now this is different, and its news, thanks to some anon whistle-blowing?  We may be starting to get evidence of what people knew and when, even if as yet uncorroborated.  
That + trading by any of those entities is SEC bait, and they did trade.  It would also be malfeasance on the part of the Fed. 

Next, we get to discover if the SEC have gained competence since Madoff.

They seem to have shut down one of the BTC stock exchanges. Priorities?

LOL, good point.  They may be too busy researching the manipulation of the Auction Market in World of Warcraft, now that virtual currency is money, to get around to looking into the largest banks in the world scooping money off the table.
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