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2181  Other / Off-topic / Re: Looking to sell my forum account for btc. Is there any interest in this? on: December 24, 2013, 06:34:27 PM
Law is a matter of geography.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Protection_Directive#Implementation_by_the_member_states

Some consider email to be personal data though it is not specifically mentioned in the directive.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2012:0010:FIN:EN:HTML

2182  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitCoins for Edward Snowden. on: December 23, 2013, 06:16:31 PM
Too funny watching the americans raging about the fact that the rest of the world now know about their attempt at global espionage/control/surveillance/ruining encryption/whatelse  Cheesy

A traitor? As an european i have to thank him, for showing us what usa did to europe  Wink

Indeed. If you honestly think he's a traitor your retardedness is beyond words and I sincerely hope you don't reproduce (sadly these are usually the people that aren't smart enough to comprehend the purpose of contraceptives or the need to limit their pollution of the gene pool).

Agreed and enhanced to support meaning.

Does Honeypot hate America and post only to draw others to hate it?  Methinks YHBT
2183  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: announcement: the international "when-bitcoin-reaches 1000,- $ party" on: December 23, 2013, 08:30:25 AM
we will book 400 hostesses.  Wink

Can't tell if serious.

That could be a large chunk of the overall budget, no?

If this was meant as a humorous comment, rather than a factual statement about accommodations, I'd ask you to be a bit more circumspect in your claims.

I realize you're putting in a large amount of work on this thing. However, at some level, you have a duty to not misrepresent what we may expect for our payment.

The winky thing at the end of that line supports the humorous comment theory.
2184  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Welcome to Me, the NewGuy story. on: December 23, 2013, 07:17:38 AM
That is definitely cool...  Smiley

I wonder how much they would pay for it on ebay...lol

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?&_nkw=bitcoin+silver+MSRP
2185  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Interest in "Free World Bitcoin Foundation"? on: December 23, 2013, 06:47:08 AM
all people on the BF board are from the USA. This is insane, you all know it.

This i agree with, wholeheartedly.

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By becoming a centralized point of exposure for government attack, that's how.

Agreed.


That's sort of the point though, yes?  
Defenses grow where the attacks happen.  Such is the nature of antifragility.
If there are regions where attack is expected, through the misappropriation of legal machinations by TPTB or otherwise, foundations will likely sprout.

It ought be no surprise that one formed in the US, where the legal framework is ornate.
http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html
2186  Economy / Economics / Re: Why bitcoin isn't currency. on: December 23, 2013, 06:08:04 AM
Doesn't take hostilities or EMP, just a Carrington Event:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/03/110302-solar-flares-sun-storms-earth-danger-carrington-event-science/

The block chain will survive it, but fragmented, and mostly unusable until connectivity is rebuilt, unless you are sure you are on the biggest chain.
So maybe civil folks can use bitcoin specie and don't have to trade bullets?
2187  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Welcome to Me, the NewGuy story. on: December 23, 2013, 06:00:31 AM

Whassup fellow silver bug... If you ever want to cash out any btc to silver I use:

http://www.amagimetals.com/

I got a lot of half dollars with my last "junk" silver purchase...

I read that http://agoracommodities.com/

is good too... but there many scams out there as I'm sure you know...

Do you do any metal detecting?

Ma'am, I'm going need to check the cable lines, going to need to do a little digging...  Wink

Agora Commodities is awesome.  After all, where else can you get such a great deal on these in the US?
https://agoracommodities.com/product/silver-bitcoin-specie/
2188  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 200,000 people apply to be first to live on Mars on: December 23, 2013, 05:38:20 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stranger_in_a_Strange_Land

To each their own, I wish them well.
2189  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The NEXT generation of Physical Bitcoins... on: December 23, 2013, 05:17:35 AM
Bitcoin has perpetual debasement, it is however, deeply under the investment growth rate.

As you know, it is declining asymptotically to zero, and will be annually <1% by 2032 and <0.2% by 2040.
We agree on this.

So the issue is with the rate of debasement, rather than the absence of it?
2190  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Welcome to Me, the NewGuy story. on: December 23, 2013, 05:13:08 AM
Welcome!
2191  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 22, 2013, 06:44:36 PM
... just give all your fiat to your wife, I'm sure she'll find something to do with it Sad

Just be careful of the denominations, or she could end up getting handcuffed to a pole:
http://www.wnd.com/2005/04/29732/
2192  Economy / Collectibles / Re: Bitcoin Specie Project sponsored by the makers of New Liberty Dollar on: December 22, 2013, 05:21:19 PM
Thank you for the kind words.  Such encouragement is our primary compensation.  
For those fortunate enough to get some of these first year pieces, there is now much more in the works.  

In celebration of the 5th anniversary of the block chain, we will accept orders for the 2014 pieces in January 1-31 with the 5 hands hallmark.  Only available in January 2014.
2193  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [OVER] Riddles - Second edition - Solve them and harvest the loot! on: December 22, 2013, 02:16:04 PM
This is just ridiculous.  I don't know where to start.  Does one have to be a programmer to understand these riddles?

No, but it helps.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/10468112/The-internet-mystery-that-has-the-world-baffled.html
Looking forward to Jan 4th?

My proclivities draw me to solve puzzles and mysteries, but my sense of dire urgency keeps me focused on the ones that have a concrete impact.  There is no shortage of those, and while it would be a delight to meet others of similar mind that, and personal satisfaction of curiosity is a purely selfish motive for me when important work is also calling.
2194  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 21, 2013, 06:29:16 AM
dogecoin is like tulips dipped in shit.


Tulip fertilizer?
What's a dogecoin?  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361813.0

it was a parody hatched on 4chan and the nether regions of reddit, it now has market cap of over $10M and is the fastest growing alt network

it reminds us not to take ourselves too seriously

Very coin.
Muchly thanking you.
woof
I still don't know what it is, but I think I know enough.
2195  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 21, 2013, 05:26:29 AM
dogecoin is like tulips dipped in shit.


Tulip fertilizer?
What's a dogecoin? 
2196  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Interest in "Free World Bitcoin Foundation"? on: December 21, 2013, 05:02:22 AM
Why support one that starts by presuming to speak for those who have not lent their voice to them?
Why support one that based part of their agenda tearing apart another.  The community is still too small and too fragile for such infighting nonsense?
Build something.
OMG, English is not my first language. Why do you care about my wording?
The idea obvious is good and needed.

OK, just keep it positive please?  Build rather than destroy.
If the idea is to attack others who are working to support bitcoin in their own ways, and to presume that you speak for everyone (including Satoshi) in doing so, it is neither good nor needed.

Come up with a mission statement of what you plan to do.  Use any language you prefer.
What you wrote instead sounds just like every USA politician:  "That other guy is worse than I will be, but I won't say what I will do better, just how bad he is."
2197  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The NEXT generation of Physical Bitcoins... on: December 21, 2013, 04:19:59 AM

I wish someone would get serious about my suggestion.

Note no need to embed a battery, supply power to the embedded circuit via radio.

Not everyone needs to verify each coin, because the private key is unspendable.

We've been "serious about your suggestion" long before you posted it.  Smiley
The engineering and social challenges are not insignificant.

There are finite bitcoin.
To accomplish this you either need perfect durability (unfeasible) or the ability to duplicate while maintaining uniqueness (so that a worn/destroyed piece can be recreated).  Otherwise there is loss resulting in unnecessary deflation.
There are also social consequences to accomplishing that with various solutions in consideration.

Some ideas floated among the bitcoin specie team:
Unspendable private keys could expire (and need to be recreated prior to expiry), for a functional perfect durability.  
Un-recreated private keys could be added to extend block rewards (in an alt-coin).
The mechanism for this could be a block chain registry of physical-bitcoin unspendable private keys (think namecoin).

Yes the key should expire and the person holding the coin at that time should be able to prove it by having the coin sign a transaction to transfer it to a new private key, which would be a new manufactured coin. This could be done any time after expiration on the public ledger block chain (the signing circuitry in the coin wouldn't stop functioning at expiry).

Physically it is going to be possible for someone to recover that private key I presume with considerable effort, so the denominations should be low enough that it is not worth the effort to do so. Maybe not an easy problem to solve.

P.S. Bitcoin won't survive without adding perpetual debasement. And an altcoin will overtake it if it doesn't. The reasons are explained in my November and December posts. I don't have time to re-summarize.

Bitcoin has perpetual debasement, it is however, deeply under the investment growth rate.
2198  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 21, 2013, 04:16:35 AM
On that initial drop today, BTCChina dropped like 8-8.5%. Gox dropped like 17%. 5x the volume on Gox. (just ballparking looking at charts)

WTF....

exactly. house. of. cards.

The ONLY thing I can see saving this market is a lot of offline purchases like the one Loaded did and new money coming from the exchange from big hands waiting for an entry point.

But those are freaking loooooong odds.  If this wasn't going into Christmas week, I'd have more faith.

I mean, right now it only take ONE large hand to liquidate in China and the market will crash. I bet 2000 coins would do it.

yeah if btc china is really toast ....it will sink in a day or two after jan 1st 2014.....then if we can stabilize at 500 usd coin I'd be thrilled

that is a lot of folk to yank out of bitcoin at one time (unless there are alternate reasons or ways for them to use/move btc I'm not aware of ...noob that I am)

Searing


Do not underestimate the great walls of BTCchina.
I think they will still be around and doing nicely this time next year.
2199  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: December 21, 2013, 03:15:35 AM
Not gold related but a renewed angle from a silicon valley position pushing fiat.

An interesting rant from Alex Payne a key engineer of Simple the new banking product.

 
Bitcoin, Magical Thinking, and Political Ideology


I've heard a saying about when someone starts believing his company's marketing.  "Smoking your own exhaust"

I'd set up a an account with Simple because I heard they are bitcoin friendly.

I've had accounts mysteriously close at very large bank just because I linked them to Coinbase via ACH.  Banks are allowed to close an account for any reason and don't need to tell you why, just like you don't have to tell them why you close your account.
I have accounts at a number of banks, but I won't use them with Coinbase anymore.  I will use Simple for that.

When your money is in a bank, it isn't your money.  It's the banks.  So when they decide to arbitrarily close your account, you can expect to wait quite a while for them to mail you a check.
And if the word gets out, you may not be able to deposit that check elsewhere...  Banks can boycott you, and they don't need a reason.
Of course if you take them to court, you might win, but in the mean time it can make things difficult.

I'm looking forward to a more broad acceptance of bitcoin.  Spend it with those that accept it, and keep this project going.
2200  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2013, 11:26:54 PM
Hloy siht. Is taht wall real? (on stamp)
damn 4.5k wall
ni hao
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