[02:22:57] <phantomcircuit> and finally and i suspect most significantly they dont answer the question of what happens when two selfish pools are operating at roughly equivalent hashing rates
[02:22:59] <HaltingState> its ripple's security model
[02:23:02] <sipa> but we should aim for a system that doesn't need such assumptions to be secure
[02:23:07] <phantomcircuit> i suspect that they both lose out in the end
[02:23:09] <HaltingState> "nobody will ever try attacking the system as it decreases the long term value" <-- ripple ahaha
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[02:24:18] <phantomcircuit> sipa, it's the combination of all of them that has the largest impact
[02:24:27] <phantomcircuit> by itself that's not a significant consideration
[02:24:42] <phantomcircuit> but if they tried and only were able to increase their revenues 25%
[02:24:46] <phantomcircuit> well that's just pointless
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[02:25:17] <HaltingState> if one mining pool increases revenue against another; does not affect bitcoin; mining is just unfair now, but security is same and does not affect anyone except miners
[02:26:26] <@gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: not just a little more variance, a LOT, this was elu's almost instant comment on the subject.
[02:29:57] <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, yeah i assumed as much but wasn't sure
[02:30:18] <phantomcircuit> either way it's pretty clear to me that their conclusion is wrong
[02:31:52] <@gmaxwell>
phantomcircuit: when successful it makes you get more blocks by orphaning the other guys more, but you get less blocks (because you get orphaned more too) so you don't really enjoy _gains_ until the difficulty drops.[02:33:09] oPen_syLar [~newos@unaffiliated/open-sylar/x-7698563] has quit IRC: Quit: Lost terminal
[02:34:41] <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, ah i hadn't thought of that
[02:34:50] <phantomcircuit> im sure it's much easier to just ddos everybody :/