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3181  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: January 06, 2018, 10:30:37 PM
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Beeep WRONG. Minute 1:00 of the video, starts zooming in much more yet you can't see more of the ship. Try again, you have 2 more tries.

Your dishonesty is showing, I don't even have to watch the clip to know what's going on:

http://www.dummies.com/photography/digital-photography/the-difference-between-optical-zoom-and-digital-zoom-on-your-digital-camera/

Beep wrong again. Thats 2 tries, 1 to go. The camera used in the video is a p900 with a 83x optical zoom. Think hard for the last one.

Excellent camera, my point remains.

The horizon line is formed inside your eye due to the angle light enters at, the eye or camera in this case is an integral part in the process that forms the image you see. Once the image is formed on the CCD via the optics it can be further zoomed in on (digital zoom), but due to obvious physical limitations hidden objects can no longer be projected above the horizon.

Do you have a video of a boat that is brought back into vision then?
3182  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: January 06, 2018, 07:31:00 PM

Well, you see if the first cause of a chain of causes is random, essentially all the causes within the chain are random.

Imagine a random dice that can jump on its own, unpredictable and every time a random number appears. Imagine the dice randomly jumps again but this time falls onto a flower and breaks it. You would consider the cause of the broke plant, the dice however the dice itself has no cause, its random so basically the real cause for the broken plant is random.

The same thing happens with your example. If god ultimately created everything, then all the chain of causes go back to a single point, god, which is a random being, everything he did, he did without a cause.

Evolution is true and you proved it.

Since the first cause in the chain of causes that is our universe, is something (or from something) outside of the universe, we don't really know what it is... random or something else.

"Imagine a random dice that can jump on its own..." This is precisely what evolution is. A big chunk of imagination about all kinds of things. Why? Because there is no proof, and no evidence for it, that doesn't fit creation better. IF evolution happened to be true, we don't know it is, or how it could be true... at least not scientifically speaking. Our evolution theory doesn't match reality.

How do you know anything about God? Do you believe what I have said about Him? Does science show you about Him? Do you just feel that He is the way you describe? LOL.

Evolution is a hoax, and you just proved you understand that it is a hoax.

Cool

I don't understand you. Why do you keep saying ''the way I described him'' You said that god has no cause so I used what you said against you, now you are claiming that I'm the one saying it LOL.
But you DO understand me. And you ARE taking what I said out of context, so it IS what you said, and NOT what I said.


''outside of the universe, we don't really know what it is... random or something else.'' There aren't too many options badecker, either the cause of the universe has a cause or doesn't and you claimed it doesn't because you said it was god and that god itself has no cause, I can quote you on that if you want. Are you saying now that god has a cause?

Those options you talk about are options within the way the universe works. Something that is outside of the universe is completely different, or it would not be outside of the universe. If it were the same as within the universe, then it would be within the universe.

This means that neither C&E nor random necessarily apply outside of the universe, but they both may apply in some way outside the universe.

Can't you get it through your noggin that outside of the universe is something that we can't even comprehend because it is so different? In fact, it is so extremely different that the word "different" doesn't really describe it.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

Well so you admit you don't know what the cause of everything really is. You still claim everything has a cause but you never proved it. Saying ''we haven't found anything without a cause'' doesn't prove that everything has a cause just like saying because we haven't found life on another planet, life on other planets doesn't exist doesn't prove life on other planets doesnt exist.

I already told you quantum processes seem to be random. Maybe they aren't but no one knows, so far no one has even presented a theory nor even a hypothesis for what their cause might be. Can you?
3183  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: January 06, 2018, 05:45:35 PM
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Beeep WRONG. Minute 1:00 of the video, starts zooming in much more yet you can't see more of the ship. Try again, you have 2 more tries.

Your dishonesty is showing, I don't even have to watch the clip to know what's going on:

http://www.dummies.com/photography/digital-photography/the-difference-between-optical-zoom-and-digital-zoom-on-your-digital-camera/

Beep wrong again. Thats 2 tries, 1 to go. The camera used in the video is a p900 with a 83x optical zoom. Think hard for the last one.
3184  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: January 06, 2018, 05:36:57 PM

Top comment (first post was a lampshade):

Quote
Sat, 26 Nov 2016 02:49:24 GMT
The zoom only "pushes" the horizon (convergence line) away beyond the limits of our unaided vision. Even with the zoom there is still a horizon and the distant ship is now just slightly beyond the zoomed horizon. Hence the bottom of the ship obscured. If you had a more powerful zoom or telescope you would see more of the bottom of the ship. In any case, the fact you zoomed in over what appears to be a large distance, proves the flat earth. If the earth truly was a sphere then the zoom would'nt have seen anything.
-- Conscious Pilot

Beeep WRONG. Minute 1:00 of the video, starts zooming in much more yet you can't see more of the ship. Try again, you have 2 more tries.
3185  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: January 06, 2018, 04:56:29 PM
dome-da-dome-dome-domeasses.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8U5aYH1yhk
3186  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: January 06, 2018, 04:55:58 PM
I simply cannot believe this. This is again doubting and denying science. It is a proven fact that we're all related to each other.. Yes.. we're also related to a stupid tree.

all living organism on earth share the basic DNA. Thats a fact. So we did not come from heaven. But whatever, believe what you want if it helps you.

edit:

I'm not bullsh!tting on the bible or any religion. I don't believe in any religion - yes. But the bible, for instance, just describes the things as they knew it. Guys.. thats a long way from writing such books to nowadays understanding of life.

Simply Google "evolution is impossible" to see that there are lots of reasons why evolution is impossible.

All of foundational evolution theory is written like it was something you had to believe in to make it true. There are no concrete facts for evolution found by those who actually do the search for evolution. The evidence fits creation better. The few almost-facts for evolution, are things done in the lab, where scientists are the makers... not in nature where the whole thing comes about by natural means. No facts for evolution are found in nature.

On top of all that, cause and effect operates precisely according to the laws of physics. If there is anything that is pure randomness, we haven't found it for a fact. Yet evolution theory says that evolutionary changes are done by "random" mutations. This is exactly opposite of cause and effect which we see operating in millions or billions of things, or more.

Evolution is a cute idea that doesn't have any backing outside a lot of talk. In fact, it is the loads of talk that keeps evolution alive as a theory. There are no facts behind evolution. It is a story like any science fiction story, except that it is contributed to by multitudes of people. Evolution is a story that doesn't fit reality.

Because many of the proponents of evolution realize that they have no facts to back evolution up, and yet they keep on saying that evolution is true, evolution has become one of the greatest hoaxes around. Lay (non-scientific) people who believe these evolution proponents, are believers in a religion... the evolution religion.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

I already googled that and it didn't show anything:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg27216030#msg27216030

''The evidence fits creation better.'' Literally all dating methods show that creation is false, you know, older than 6-10k thousand years old.
''If there is anything that is pure randomness, we haven't found it'' You claimed god is pure randomness, so you did find it.
Also pretty much all science dismisses the bible (creation) : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors

You can google that as well since you like google so much, ''scientific errors in the bible'' There are plenty.

You fail to properly apply what I said regarding whatever it is that you Googled in that top link of yours.

There aren't any mistakes in the bible. There are only people (kinda like you) who twist the meanings of what is written in the Bible, to mean something that the Bible doesn't say.

Cool

The bible is 6k to 10k years old meaning that earth and the universe are just as old, however that has been proven wrong through dozens of different methods of dating, all showing that earth and the universe are far older.

The proof that the earth is older than the bible says - http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm - is based on the same kinds of "ifs" that evolution is based on. The following example simply shows a form of guessing the age of the earth. It is not meant to show actual ways that ice layers are examined and extrapolated into the past.


We know that the layers of ice that have formed over the last 100 years, have formed because of this or that kind of snowfall... or whatever. We know it because we have been recording it for the last hundred years. This means that "if" snowfall existed the same way for the last million years, then the earth is so many million years old.


The thing is, we don't have a clue that the ice layers were always formed in this way. Yet the "if" has been converted into a factual thing by the scientists, or by the media that publishes what the scientists say.

On top of that, the Bible is eye witness reports throughout a very large portion of it. Some of the reasons why this is way stronger than the "ifs" of evolution and scientific ages of the earth are listed hare https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg27424435#msg27424435.


Consider. When a car engine is made, they don't make something like a piston and a cylinder that gradually turns into a piston or a cylinder, and then gradually forms into a V-8 engine. Rather, they design the engine and build the engine complete. Then they place it into a car, and run the engine. If there is testing of several designs, they do it before they manufacture the car.

In the same way, if God did something like testing of the universe parts before he made the universe, the tests were separate from the universe. God didn't throw out a bunch of "stuff" and let it evolve into something that works. He threw out the universe in working order. But...

... We won't know it for a fact until we can build a real, working time viewer to take a look. we simply have to believe God (or not), that He did it like He said He did it. This means that although we can extrapolate backwards to some extent, it is incorrect extrapolation the further back we go, because God set the whole thing in place, in 6 days, with appearances that can be interpreted as billions of years, yet with the words of the Bible that tell us what He really did.

Why would God show us a nature that might trick us into believing something the wrong way? Probably several reasons, two of which  are:
1. He wants to find out who will trust what He says so that He knows who to get rid of;
2. He is giving us what we are asking for, independence from God in our thinking, all the while holding us dependent on Him through cause and effect.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

Cool

Just like we don't have a clue if cause and effect was always present, thanks for debunking your own argument Cool

Why would we want a clue when we have proof? The proof is the fact that God caused it all through creation, and the fact that scientific proof says that, since we haven't found anything else (like pure random) in multitudes of cause and effect operations, nothing but cause and effect exists.

Cool

Yes we have, you said it yourself, it's god. You already debunked your own argument several times.

God uses random. The universe doesn't. When God uses random on the universe, it's a miracle. When He doesn't, it's cause and effect.

Cool

So then you admit that he is random, therefore evolution is real since he is the cause of everything and he doesn't have a cause, ultimately everything is indeed random. Well that was easy, thanks for admitting it badecker.

I already told you, and it is common sense, that something that is outside of this universe is so extremely different than anything within, that we can't understand it at all. If it was the same as something within the universe, it would be part of the universe.

If God is something like the randomness that we are thinking of/talking about, there is no way to know. Yet God uses random, because He uses anything that He wants... at least as far as our puny intellects are concerned. Or do you have a less puny intellect because you understand multitudes of mysteries of the universe that are hidden from everybody else?

If you want to call the First Cause random, and thus evolution exists because there is that random, evolution theory still is wrong, because the theory considers randomness at multitudes of points in the universe timeline. There is no evidence whatsoever for that randomness, and certainly no proof.

Get off it. Evolution is a big fat hoax, and you know it. Wake up and be honest for once in your life. Or are you Satan, himself?

Cool

Well, you see if the first cause of a chain of causes is random, essentially all the causes within the chain are random.

Imagine a random dice that can jump on its own, unpredictable and every time a random number appears. Imagine the dice randomly jumps again but this time falls onto a flower and breaks it. You would consider the cause of the broke plant, the dice however the dice itself has no cause, its random so basically the real cause for the broken plant is random.

The same thing happens with your example. If god ultimately created everything, then all the chain of causes go back to a single point, god, which is a random being, everything he did, he did without a cause.

Evolution is true and you proved it.

Since the first cause in the chain of causes that is our universe, is something (or from something) outside of the universe, we don't really know what it is... random or something else.

"Imagine a random dice that can jump on its own..." This is precisely what evolution is. A big chunk of imagination about all kinds of things. Why? Because there is no proof, and no evidence for it, that doesn't fit creation better. IF evolution happened to be true, we don't know it is, or how it could be true... at least not scientifically speaking. Our evolution theory doesn't match reality.

How do you know anything about God? Do you believe what I have said about Him? Does science show you about Him? Do you just feel that He is the way you describe? LOL.

Evolution is a hoax, and you just proved you understand that it is a hoax.

Cool

I don't understand you. Why do you keep saying ''the way I described him'' You said that god has no cause so I used what you said against you, now you are claiming that I'm the one saying it LOL.
''outside of the universe, we don't really know what it is... random or something else.'' There aren't too many options badecker, either the cause of the universe has a cause or doesn't and you claimed it doesn't because you said it was god and that god itself has no cause, I can quote you on that if you want. Are you saying now that god has a cause?
3187  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: January 06, 2018, 01:46:07 PM
^^^ that hissing sound is normal, don't let the door hit your ass on the way in!

This tactic of evading the truth is normal, notbatman does it all the time. His brain works in such way that every time there is something he cannot argument against he will just ignore to keep believing in nonsense.
3188  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: January 06, 2018, 12:26:18 PM
^^^ The ancient Egyptians knew the Earth was flat GTFO.

Amazing. Almost all ancient civilizations did and you can't blame them. However that theory was proven wrong in 300-250BC. From that point on, more and more science people understood that the earth was round, they even calculated and measured it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8U5aYH1yhk
3189  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: January 06, 2018, 10:57:44 AM
I simply cannot believe this. This is again doubting and denying science. It is a proven fact that we're all related to each other.. Yes.. we're also related to a stupid tree.

all living organism on earth share the basic DNA. Thats a fact. So we did not come from heaven. But whatever, believe what you want if it helps you.

edit:

I'm not bullsh!tting on the bible or any religion. I don't believe in any religion - yes. But the bible, for instance, just describes the things as they knew it. Guys.. thats a long way from writing such books to nowadays understanding of life.

Simply Google "evolution is impossible" to see that there are lots of reasons why evolution is impossible.

All of foundational evolution theory is written like it was something you had to believe in to make it true. There are no concrete facts for evolution found by those who actually do the search for evolution. The evidence fits creation better. The few almost-facts for evolution, are things done in the lab, where scientists are the makers... not in nature where the whole thing comes about by natural means. No facts for evolution are found in nature.

On top of all that, cause and effect operates precisely according to the laws of physics. If there is anything that is pure randomness, we haven't found it for a fact. Yet evolution theory says that evolutionary changes are done by "random" mutations. This is exactly opposite of cause and effect which we see operating in millions or billions of things, or more.

Evolution is a cute idea that doesn't have any backing outside a lot of talk. In fact, it is the loads of talk that keeps evolution alive as a theory. There are no facts behind evolution. It is a story like any science fiction story, except that it is contributed to by multitudes of people. Evolution is a story that doesn't fit reality.

Because many of the proponents of evolution realize that they have no facts to back evolution up, and yet they keep on saying that evolution is true, evolution has become one of the greatest hoaxes around. Lay (non-scientific) people who believe these evolution proponents, are believers in a religion... the evolution religion.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

I already googled that and it didn't show anything:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg27216030#msg27216030

''The evidence fits creation better.'' Literally all dating methods show that creation is false, you know, older than 6-10k thousand years old.
''If there is anything that is pure randomness, we haven't found it'' You claimed god is pure randomness, so you did find it.
Also pretty much all science dismisses the bible (creation) : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors

You can google that as well since you like google so much, ''scientific errors in the bible'' There are plenty.

You fail to properly apply what I said regarding whatever it is that you Googled in that top link of yours.

There aren't any mistakes in the bible. There are only people (kinda like you) who twist the meanings of what is written in the Bible, to mean something that the Bible doesn't say.

Cool

The bible is 6k to 10k years old meaning that earth and the universe are just as old, however that has been proven wrong through dozens of different methods of dating, all showing that earth and the universe are far older.

The proof that the earth is older than the bible says - http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm - is based on the same kinds of "ifs" that evolution is based on. The following example simply shows a form of guessing the age of the earth. It is not meant to show actual ways that ice layers are examined and extrapolated into the past.


We know that the layers of ice that have formed over the last 100 years, have formed because of this or that kind of snowfall... or whatever. We know it because we have been recording it for the last hundred years. This means that "if" snowfall existed the same way for the last million years, then the earth is so many million years old.


The thing is, we don't have a clue that the ice layers were always formed in this way. Yet the "if" has been converted into a factual thing by the scientists, or by the media that publishes what the scientists say.

On top of that, the Bible is eye witness reports throughout a very large portion of it. Some of the reasons why this is way stronger than the "ifs" of evolution and scientific ages of the earth are listed hare https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg27424435#msg27424435.


Consider. When a car engine is made, they don't make something like a piston and a cylinder that gradually turns into a piston or a cylinder, and then gradually forms into a V-8 engine. Rather, they design the engine and build the engine complete. Then they place it into a car, and run the engine. If there is testing of several designs, they do it before they manufacture the car.

In the same way, if God did something like testing of the universe parts before he made the universe, the tests were separate from the universe. God didn't throw out a bunch of "stuff" and let it evolve into something that works. He threw out the universe in working order. But...

... We won't know it for a fact until we can build a real, working time viewer to take a look. we simply have to believe God (or not), that He did it like He said He did it. This means that although we can extrapolate backwards to some extent, it is incorrect extrapolation the further back we go, because God set the whole thing in place, in 6 days, with appearances that can be interpreted as billions of years, yet with the words of the Bible that tell us what He really did.

Why would God show us a nature that might trick us into believing something the wrong way? Probably several reasons, two of which  are:
1. He wants to find out who will trust what He says so that He knows who to get rid of;
2. He is giving us what we are asking for, independence from God in our thinking, all the while holding us dependent on Him through cause and effect.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

Cool

Just like we don't have a clue if cause and effect was always present, thanks for debunking your own argument Cool

Why would we want a clue when we have proof? The proof is the fact that God caused it all through creation, and the fact that scientific proof says that, since we haven't found anything else (like pure random) in multitudes of cause and effect operations, nothing but cause and effect exists.

Cool

Yes we have, you said it yourself, it's god. You already debunked your own argument several times.

God uses random. The universe doesn't. When God uses random on the universe, it's a miracle. When He doesn't, it's cause and effect.

Cool

So then you admit that he is random, therefore evolution is real since he is the cause of everything and he doesn't have a cause, ultimately everything is indeed random. Well that was easy, thanks for admitting it badecker.

I already told you, and it is common sense, that something that is outside of this universe is so extremely different than anything within, that we can't understand it at all. If it was the same as something within the universe, it would be part of the universe.

If God is something like the randomness that we are thinking of/talking about, there is no way to know. Yet God uses random, because He uses anything that He wants... at least as far as our puny intellects are concerned. Or do you have a less puny intellect because you understand multitudes of mysteries of the universe that are hidden from everybody else?

If you want to call the First Cause random, and thus evolution exists because there is that random, evolution theory still is wrong, because the theory considers randomness at multitudes of points in the universe timeline. There is no evidence whatsoever for that randomness, and certainly no proof.

Get off it. Evolution is a big fat hoax, and you know it. Wake up and be honest for once in your life. Or are you Satan, himself?

Cool

Well, you see if the first cause of a chain of causes is random, essentially all the causes within the chain are random.

Imagine a random dice that can jump on its own, unpredictable and every time a random number appears. Imagine the dice randomly jumps again but this time falls onto a flower and breaks it. You would consider the cause of the broke plant, the dice however the dice itself has no cause, its random so basically the real cause for the broken plant is random.

The same thing happens with your example. If god ultimately created everything, then all the chain of causes go back to a single point, god, which is a random being, everything he did, he did without a cause.

Evolution is true and you proved it.
3190  Other / Meta / Re: Prohibiting Newbies from creating threads in Off Topic and Politics & Society on: January 06, 2018, 10:54:31 AM
How about not having a politics and society board at all? Only a few users find it useful, others just spam there. Adding to off-topic, politics and society, gambling, I'd like to add the alternative currencies section - > especially the giveaway and bounty along with the Announcements boards respectively to be the boards which do not add to the activity . Bring back the newbie jail for even better cause, I read what saltyspoon had to say on this, but with differentiated rules which someone suggested in a different thread, a huge amount of spam can be reduced. Have a test for campaign managers if they pass, they can manage, if not, tell them to fuck off.

Well personally I find it very interesting since I mostly post there but as I said, I do agree that there is a ton of spam. I just feel like the best solution to kill spammers for good without worrying about a specific section or specific threads is to enforce strict signature campaign rules. That's the easiest and fastest solution. No one would spam the off-topic section with crap if they knew they wont get accepted in any signature campaign because of their post quality.
3191  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: January 06, 2018, 01:24:42 AM
I simply cannot believe this. This is again doubting and denying science. It is a proven fact that we're all related to each other.. Yes.. we're also related to a stupid tree.

all living organism on earth share the basic DNA. Thats a fact. So we did not come from heaven. But whatever, believe what you want if it helps you.

edit:

I'm not bullsh!tting on the bible or any religion. I don't believe in any religion - yes. But the bible, for instance, just describes the things as they knew it. Guys.. thats a long way from writing such books to nowadays understanding of life.

Simply Google "evolution is impossible" to see that there are lots of reasons why evolution is impossible.

All of foundational evolution theory is written like it was something you had to believe in to make it true. There are no concrete facts for evolution found by those who actually do the search for evolution. The evidence fits creation better. The few almost-facts for evolution, are things done in the lab, where scientists are the makers... not in nature where the whole thing comes about by natural means. No facts for evolution are found in nature.

On top of all that, cause and effect operates precisely according to the laws of physics. If there is anything that is pure randomness, we haven't found it for a fact. Yet evolution theory says that evolutionary changes are done by "random" mutations. This is exactly opposite of cause and effect which we see operating in millions or billions of things, or more.

Evolution is a cute idea that doesn't have any backing outside a lot of talk. In fact, it is the loads of talk that keeps evolution alive as a theory. There are no facts behind evolution. It is a story like any science fiction story, except that it is contributed to by multitudes of people. Evolution is a story that doesn't fit reality.

Because many of the proponents of evolution realize that they have no facts to back evolution up, and yet they keep on saying that evolution is true, evolution has become one of the greatest hoaxes around. Lay (non-scientific) people who believe these evolution proponents, are believers in a religion... the evolution religion.

Evolution is a hoax.

Cool

I already googled that and it didn't show anything:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg27216030#msg27216030

''The evidence fits creation better.'' Literally all dating methods show that creation is false, you know, older than 6-10k thousand years old.
''If there is anything that is pure randomness, we haven't found it'' You claimed god is pure randomness, so you did find it.
Also pretty much all science dismisses the bible (creation) : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_scientific_errors

You can google that as well since you like google so much, ''scientific errors in the bible'' There are plenty.

You fail to properly apply what I said regarding whatever it is that you Googled in that top link of yours.

There aren't any mistakes in the bible. There are only people (kinda like you) who twist the meanings of what is written in the Bible, to mean something that the Bible doesn't say.

Cool

The bible is 6k to 10k years old meaning that earth and the universe are just as old, however that has been proven wrong through dozens of different methods of dating, all showing that earth and the universe are far older.

The proof that the earth is older than the bible says - http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm - is based on the same kinds of "ifs" that evolution is based on. The following example simply shows a form of guessing the age of the earth. It is not meant to show actual ways that ice layers are examined and extrapolated into the past.


We know that the layers of ice that have formed over the last 100 years, have formed because of this or that kind of snowfall... or whatever. We know it because we have been recording it for the last hundred years. This means that "if" snowfall existed the same way for the last million years, then the earth is so many million years old.


The thing is, we don't have a clue that the ice layers were always formed in this way. Yet the "if" has been converted into a factual thing by the scientists, or by the media that publishes what the scientists say.

On top of that, the Bible is eye witness reports throughout a very large portion of it. Some of the reasons why this is way stronger than the "ifs" of evolution and scientific ages of the earth are listed hare https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg27424435#msg27424435.


Consider. When a car engine is made, they don't make something like a piston and a cylinder that gradually turns into a piston or a cylinder, and then gradually forms into a V-8 engine. Rather, they design the engine and build the engine complete. Then they place it into a car, and run the engine. If there is testing of several designs, they do it before they manufacture the car.

In the same way, if God did something like testing of the universe parts before he made the universe, the tests were separate from the universe. God didn't throw out a bunch of "stuff" and let it evolve into something that works. He threw out the universe in working order. But...

... We won't know it for a fact until we can build a real, working time viewer to take a look. we simply have to believe God (or not), that He did it like He said He did it. This means that although we can extrapolate backwards to some extent, it is incorrect extrapolation the further back we go, because God set the whole thing in place, in 6 days, with appearances that can be interpreted as billions of years, yet with the words of the Bible that tell us what He really did.

Why would God show us a nature that might trick us into believing something the wrong way? Probably several reasons, two of which  are:
1. He wants to find out who will trust what He says so that He knows who to get rid of;
2. He is giving us what we are asking for, independence from God in our thinking, all the while holding us dependent on Him through cause and effect.

Evolution is a complete hoax.

Cool

Just like we don't have a clue if cause and effect was always present, thanks for debunking your own argument Cool

Why would we want a clue when we have proof? The proof is the fact that God caused it all through creation, and the fact that scientific proof says that, since we haven't found anything else (like pure random) in multitudes of cause and effect operations, nothing but cause and effect exists.

Cool

Yes we have, you said it yourself, it's god. You already debunked your own argument several times.

God uses random. The universe doesn't. When God uses random on the universe, it's a miracle. When He doesn't, it's cause and effect.

Cool

So then you admit that he is random, therefore evolution is real since he is the cause of everything and he doesn't have a cause, ultimately everything is indeed random. Well that was easy, thanks for admitting it badecker.
3192  Other / Meta / Re: Prohibiting Newbies from creating threads in Off Topic and Politics & Society on: January 05, 2018, 05:42:30 PM
+1
I even suggested a more radical (and painful Tongue) measure (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2467866.0)

Meh, wouldn't solve much. Sure it's not bad to have it but they will just spam existing threads like they already do and there are so many high rank accounts already that new topics will just keep coming. I still feel like the best way to stop it is having strict campaign managers. Also the new bounty section has a ton of signature campaigns that are basically un-moderated.
3193  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: January 05, 2018, 05:33:14 PM
^^^ I'm not the dishonest liar here you total fucking faggot.

You realize that you always evade the questions, right? I asked you why would you think those photos are real and the others aren't. You never answered. I provided proof that YOU asked for and yet here we are. What do you want, really? You don't want to be convinced that the earth is not flat, that or you are a troll.

1. I'm fucking nobody, what I think is irreverent.

2. You provided a photo from Hadfield without a digital signature, never mind that all the encryption in all cameras are compromised. You're so fucking dishonest with your arguments like all homosexuals, it's a mental disorder you know.

3. I believed the Earth was a rotating sphere traveling a gazillion miles an hour in a vacuum up until 2014, I can't believe I was so fucking stupid.

4. Take a look in the mirror you absolutely vile creature, the troll awaits your gaze Jew.

You still haven't answered any of the questions. Now you are saying that no photographic evidence would convince you yet you still post photographic evidence yourself to ''prove'' the earth is flat.

It's true you are a fucking nobody so why don't you listen to the brightest minds in the world which all know that the earth is not flat?

3. And now you believe somehow gravity doesn't exist, all the hundreds of thousands of photos/videos and livestreams of earth from space are fake, there is a dome that no one has seen, basically half of the population have to be aware of the conspiracy to make it work.

What would you consider as proof that the earth is not flat, for the third time, and don't come up with more excuses when I provide it.
3194  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: January 05, 2018, 03:01:45 PM
^^^ I'm not the dishonest liar here you total fucking faggot.

You realize that you always evade the questions, right? I asked you why would you think those photos are real and the others aren't. You never answered. I provided proof that YOU asked for and yet here we are. What do you want, really? You don't want to be convinced that the earth is not flat, that or you are a troll.
3195  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: January 05, 2018, 02:14:12 PM





This is Earth, this is what a real photo looks like; it's a flat and motionless plane.

And why is that picture real and all the other hundreds and thousands not? That one doesn't show earth in it's totality. You are just a dishonest liar, I gave you what you asked for and you still refuse it.
3196  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: January 05, 2018, 01:16:21 PM
This is a real photo, this is what Earth looks like from a distance:



Do you realize that if the earth was a flat circle that line wouldn't be straight, right?
3197  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: January 05, 2018, 01:14:38 PM
^^^ Show me the ocean curving, proof or GTFO.

You just gonna say it's CGI like you do with everything. I already asked you what would constitute a genuine photo or video of earth and you never replied. Last time you said it was with a specific camera and then changed your story, so what is it?

Go fuck yourself, you keep working the fact I believed encrypted digital signatures were secure and made claims I could prove shit with them when they got hacked. If I fucking knew they got hacked I wouldn't have fucking made that claim eh.

You can't even come up with any photos at all of the sea curving that don't come from NASA, you're so fucking retarded to believe their absolute bullshit you know that right?

Inb4 GoPro fisheye lens image...

So how do you know you are not wrong about other things like the flat earth? Is not like you can come up with 1 single photo of the flat earth/dome anyways.



This image was not taken by NASA or the European Space Agency. It's been taken by Russia's latest weather satellite, the Electro-L. It's also a single shot, not a composition like NASA images.

So I guess I convinced you now, right?

Nah, let's see the next excuse Cool




So tell us what criteria did you use in determining that the Russian image is the real Earth? It looks even faker than the garbage NASA produces.

aaaaaand here we go, more excuses.

1st he asks me for photos with a specific camera, he said that would convince him, I provided the photos and then he changed the story
2nd he asks me for photos that are not from nasa, I provide them and he asks me how do I know they are real.

Well I don't have any reason to believe that Russia would fake a photo of space just like NASA or the European Space Agency. It seems far more logical to believe they are real than to believe all these agencies, which also hate each other would cooperate to fake photos in order to ''fool'' us.

Now you never seem convinced although I'm giving you what you are asking for, you keep making excuses because you are a dishonest liar. Get out of here troll.
3198  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: January 05, 2018, 11:36:05 AM
^^^ Show me the ocean curving, proof or GTFO.

You just gonna say it's CGI like you do with everything. I already asked you what would constitute a genuine photo or video of earth and you never replied. Last time you said it was with a specific camera and then changed your story, so what is it?

Go fuck yourself, you keep working the fact I believed encrypted digital signatures were secure and made claims I could prove shit with them when they got hacked. If I fucking knew they got hacked I wouldn't have fucking made that claim eh.

You can't even come up with any photos at all of the sea curving that don't come from NASA, you're so fucking retarded to believe their absolute bullshit you know that right?

Inb4 GoPro fisheye lens image...

So how do you know you are not wrong about other things like the flat earth? Is not like you can come up with 1 single photo of the flat earth/dome anyways.



This image was not taken by NASA or the European Space Agency. It's been taken by Russia's latest weather satellite, the Electro-L. It's also a single shot, not a composition like NASA images.

So I guess I convinced you now, right?

Nah, let's see the next excuse Cool
3199  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: January 05, 2018, 11:21:37 AM
This is as plausible as having a monkey sitting in front of a typewriter and ending up producing something useful.

Do you understand bitcoin blockchain technology sir?

Our entire commodity is based on our graphic cards hashing until they produce something useful...

How long do you want the string to be?  Even two or three "useful" short sentences could be created by the bitcoin network in under an hour.  It's all about math.

Produce trillions of generations, and you have Evolution.  Smiley

I'm married to Jennifer Lawrence.

Cool

I do understand blockchain technology, I am a software developer and I am about to start working on a blockchain technology project. I get your point, but keep in mind that the number of computations needed to compute a hash value that is "nice" enough to be considered canonical is incredibly large. Waiting for such a kind of brute force to pay off in nature would probably exceed the expected life span of the universe. And then there is not just one kind of animal out there but many, many of them. The whole thing looks a lot like someone hitting the lottery on a daily basis. Sure, this can happen but how likely is it?

Or even simpler: If nature was able to create an elephant out of dead matter via many steps of evolution, then why can't scientists reproduce these steps in a lab? A whole bunch of people with college degrees should be able to accomplish this, right?

If nature can create black holes why can't a bunch of scientists do it too? Do you realize how stupid your argument is right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis

It's not easy, that's why, not to mention that it took millions of years, why would you think science has advanced so far as to create living beings in just a few years?

But scientists sure know exactly how black holes come into existence. And this Abiogenesis stuff doesn't explain anything, if you ask me. It's pretty much like homeopathy, nothing but a whole bunch of unprovable nonsense. Evolution is basically the first attempt to explain why all that many creatures exist. It fails miserably, but at least Darwin tried. I got a feeling it might take a long time before someone comes up with a theory that can be taken seriously. It may take a major breakthrough, pretty much in the neighborhood of quantum physics. Right now we are stuck with about as lame an explanation as there could possibly be.

That's absolutely not true, scientists do not know exactly how black holes work, stop spreading bullshit. Why do you keep talking out of your ass? There are several ongoing experiments for abiogenesis, not ''unprovable nonsense'' https://newatlas.com/recreating-evolution-test-tube/48856/

And evolution is not about explaining how life started from non living matter but how it evolved and it doesn't fail whatsoever. Unless you have an argument for it.
3200  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: January 05, 2018, 10:30:42 AM
The theory of evolution is just a crazy attempt to explain what can hardly be explained. I am not religious at all, so I don't believe in a maker / creator or anything quite like that. But it is very hard to explain how all of the creatures on earth have happened to come about just by virtue of sun, rain, temperature, pressure or whatever else. Why has nobody ever witnessed the evolution at work? With that many creatures out there some of them should be turning into something else on a daily basis. The only aspect evolution explains nicely is the survival of the fittest. Everything else remains a big mystery to me. Even worse, nobody can explain how dead matter can be turned into something that is alive. I doubt anyone will ever succeed with this sort of experiment.

Talking out of your ass I see. If you truly know about the theory of evolution you would know that evolution takes a lot of time, hence why no one has observed evolution, although we have. The peppered moth and Live Birth in Three-toed Skinks are classic examples.

It is indeed hard to explain all of this, that's why evolution theory is still updating. There is abiogenesis which tries to explain non living matter to matter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment

Sure it is supposed to happen slowly, but this is easily offset by the very large number of different animals out there. I also checked out the "evidence". Doesn't convince me at all. I want to hear someone explain how an one-cell organism eventually turns into an elephant. This is as plausible as having a monkey sitting in front of a typewriter and ending up producing something useful.

That's a hard question just like non living matter to living matter. Science is still working on it, there are several proposed explanations for it but we can never know for sure what happened at every exact moment, obviously. I don't think you or badecker understand what evolution is about or what tries to do. It tries to explain the best it can how we got here and yes there are still gaps that need to be filled, we still don't know how many things happened exactly but we do have the proof to show that they happened.

You check the fossils of a horse and then you find other fossils like a horse but with something slightly different and you keep finding older fossils that are slightly different, now from one fossil to another the difference might not be huge but from 10 fossils the difference is huge. This obviously indicates that they evolved, what evolution theory tries to do is explain how they evolved.

And this is not the only evidence for evolution, not even close but if you want to know more, use google.
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