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321  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 23, 2014, 10:07:57 AM
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I kept my coins because I figured I can mitigate the possible losses by some conservative margin trading (ride the big waves only but do ride those) and I can easily take the remaining risk because the potential is very high. But it's have the potential to get too hectic.



Fun activities, everyone!

I tried my best but I give up.

322  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 23, 2014, 09:56:05 AM

And, Yes, I was one of those that by the time prices reached the mid-to-upper $600s in June,  I thought that prices were never returning to the $300s, and once prices got into the lower $400s, I thought NO way they were going to go below about $360, and as we know the price went lower than both of those points.  

I sold my friend's and my sister's coins (all of it) during those 650-ish days, cashed out their fiat and gave them an advise to buy gold instead (which they fully ignored).

I kept my coins because I figured I can mitigate the possible losses by some conservative margin trading (ride the big waves only but do ride those) and I can easily take the remaining risk because the potential is very high. But it's have the potential to get too hectic.
323  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 23, 2014, 09:44:54 AM
I have a few indicators that are making new records today. Woodies CCI below -400 on the hourly chart... I chose to take it as a strong buy signal  Smiley

Those hidden buy orders on Bitfinex could be shorts closing their positions + buying back.

How do you see hidden buy orders ?

You can see it by comparing the individual trades (below the order book) and what orders are actually visible on the order book (I am looking at Bitcoinwisdom). Because of these hidden orders bid support might actually be strong even though it appears weak. Right now 3k coins were sold, but price "only" dropped $4-$5... This also indicates that there was pretty strong support between $368 and $364. Everyone can create hidden orders on Bitfinex, but I think they cost more. They give whales unfair advantage in my opinion.

Thanks a lot for these explanations. I don't use bitfinex, but on kraken, hidden orders don't cost more. Simply create an order of the type stop loss or make profit and the order will be triggered when price hits the target price.

https://www.kraken.com/help/trading-guide#take-profit-orders

I like Kraken a lot. I guess these order types can be used in the same way as hidden bit orders because you can use them for both sell and buy orders?

Exactly. You could even make an order with a stop loss and make profit targets. Kraken is very good for trading, this is sad they raised fees from 0.20% to 0.35%.

They do have a nice system but it's incomplete. There is no leverage tragind because there is no volume and ... well, I guess ... there is no volume because there is no leverage trading. Grin

Sometime during this summer I did some neutral trades solely for reaching lower fees. I hit something like 0.1% (the price barely moved then, so the risk of losing on the trades was low and there was no way to reach high profits anyway). Later I found out that it's only temporary and now my account has an even higher fee than early on. LOL
324  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 23, 2014, 09:27:59 AM
Bitcoin is over. Time to face the truth.

I will agree as soon as price hits 275$ again.

Even if Bitcoin prices hit $275 again, it is NOT over...   but it may cause a lot of loss of confidence... especially if it were to go into the $100s or even double digits....

Those kinds of numbers would really cause me to be suspicious about if there is some fractional reserve banking going on.

I assume a lot of people thought it can't fall below 300$.
When it did, some players stormed in to save the day. They even gave us the false hope of a trend reversal to keep it from repeating too soon.
But I guess they keep limited amount of fiat on the exchanges and have their threshold what they are ready to absorb.
And I guess many people are keeping a much closer eye on the charts and they are still significantly more nervous about the downward price movements after that manbearwall incident.

So, practically everything is set up for an exponentially accelerating freefall.

Meanwhile, the long term trend is still negative (just take a look at the daily chart).


To sum it up, it's practically just a matter of time to reach 0.01$ unless something dramatically changes. And it can happen much faster than we would assume it's possible.


Of course, anything can happen anytime, the trend can revers and we can see a new ATH by the end of this month. But it's not granted. Nothing is.
325  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 23, 2014, 08:33:42 AM
There are actually a lot of bitcoins trading hands. Good volume so there is resistance/buyers at this lever. But where are the damn dumped coins are coming from  Undecided and how many are there left

Well, Mt.Gox managed to make some 500k BTC disappear without a trace and some others also ran on that race, scoring 10k-50k here and there... Roll Eyes

bitcoin will not go that low. At the most it will drop to $360 and then spike back up.

You forgot to go all-in with a short during the freefall from 380$, I see. Cheesy
326  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 23, 2014, 08:26:55 AM
Bitcoin is over. Time to face the truth.

I will agree as soon as price hits 275$ again.
327  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 23, 2014, 08:13:30 AM
Diarrheal dumping resumed? This could turn into an ugly bloodbath if allowed to continue for too long.
I do have a short position opened but it would still make me sad to see <300$ again.

Am I the only one noticing substantial hidden buy orders on Bitfinex being sold into? More than 1k bought that way as of now.

Yeah, Bitfinex is interesting. There is almost zero activity during the boring hours and then relatively huge volume spikes appear along with tall price candles. There is probably some legit activity generated by stop orders and some margin calls (which is perfectly normal to fall outside of the public orderbook and happen almost instantly) but it could be easily mixed with some high frequency bot activity (something must jumpstart and stimulate the legit internal frenzy).
328  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 22, 2014, 09:22:53 AM
Bid support on Stamp looks solid.

2000[btc]2000000000  2e9 bits to 380$
5000BTC 5000000000 5e9 bits to 370$

Huobi

14000BTC 14000000000 1.4e10 bits to 2300CNY
lol

Conclusion:

Breakout imminent!

 Cool

corrected that for you

Nope... but now I did. Grin Tongue


Where does chartbuddy gets his data from? The explanation link is dead.
329  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 22, 2014, 05:22:01 AM
Bid support on Stamp looks solid.

2000BTC to 380$
5000BTC to 370$

Huobi

14000BTC to 2300CNY
lol

Conclusion:

Breakout imminent!


Buy orders are definitely solid. We should be going over 400 soon.

We could be sliding sideways for a while, too.


Or down.

Well, if it doesn't jump then it probably will slowly but constantly go down. Constant slow growth just isn't possible here.
330  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 22, 2014, 04:30:48 AM
I am going to start using the term "bits" from now on when quoting prices.  I agree with Gavin.

Price is currently about $0.000387 per bit.  Let's go for bit-dollar parity!  Wink


To be honest, I think this whole 21M thing and even more so the utilization of the decimal fractions make absolutely no f¤ked sense for something like Bitcoin. This is just retarded in my opinion. A stupid mind trick fling and/or superstition service which sacrifices logic and ease of use. Not an optimal, not logical, not convenient, not nice.

If I were the one to set up a maximum number for the coin supply, my first candidate would have been the highest possible number granted by the size of the underlaying integer or floating point variable but I would have revised it to an y=10^x (where x is a convenient whole number, something close to 20).

Even if I make myself not caring about the 21 thing, but... decimal fractions?
DECIMAL FRACTIONS?

REALLY???
REALLY?HuhHuh Huh Huh

Makes no f¤cked sense. No no no... It's just wrong. Illogic and inconvenient = suboptimal ~ stupid.
331  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 22, 2014, 02:05:01 AM
Stamp seems quite solid at 382$ at the moment. Maybe we are now laying on the bottom for awhile and then head up? Most of the indicators look quite hopeful, macds lining up quite nicely in all timescales and so on.
pretty sure we are setting up to break 390 again, maybe for good this time. things look good, feels like only a matter of time till we see some violent movement and in the right direction  Grin

i plan to sell at 460-480,  and cover that short at 420ish

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The market has been way too boring in the last few days indeed. The volume is drying up and every charts including the magic indicators are getting really close to flat / neutral.
So, I agree it must break out into one direction or the other soon. However, I am far from certain of that direction. It should go up for several reasons but that means it probably won't. Tongue
332  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 21, 2014, 03:57:23 AM
Manipulator on Bitstamp is trying to suppress the price   Angry
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why some green dildos more or less the same size of the red ones are missing the highlight?

Because those are more rare and add up for significantly less volume over time than the reds?



The 3day MACD indicator could be something to watch. 

Hopefully it is a sign of good things to come. . .


Yesterday I changed from short to long position because of that (various indicators, not just 3d macd) and then the heavy dumping started. I lost a little more than what I gained during the last two weeks by making some very conservative trades (I held onto the position during the first mini-flashrash but I got out after the second dump, I didn't felt like waiting for the third, even though it didn't prove to be that big of a hit yet). Tongue
333  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 20, 2014, 04:20:37 PM
Bitcoin CEO Spotted  Shocked
...

In b4 he pulls some kind of scam, ends up in jail, and people think bitcoin is finished because the CEO of bitcoin is in jail.



Well gavin seems to believe he's the CEO as well so the more the merrier I guess

It's Karpeles's cat, sssh...
334  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 20, 2014, 02:18:00 AM
I am beginning to think the Bitcoin market in its current shape would be much better off without these relatively high volume zero-fee Chinase exchanges and their washtrades.
They are either clinically insane or do nothing else but bare manipulations in a way which forces the average price into a monotone downward trend (let alone that it might would be in a similar shape on it's own anyway, so it really doesn't need this).
335  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 19, 2014, 10:53:36 PM
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save the cheerleader, save the world, #bitcoin upcoming insane rally on 3day 8/41 cross and 3day MACD crossing green  Cool

Sorry to tell you this but drawning lines on a chart doesn't work. It predicts absolutely nothing. It's as acurate as throwing dice. Why people still dont't get that after 1000's of examples that failed is beyond me.

Mainly because "chartists gonna chart", i agree trendlines are not really "that" reliable, still its usefull, specially on this resistance trendline and 8/41 EMA, as you seen 3day MACD crossing green. If not how do you trade with? you just blindly gamble?

I like to keep around a small screen and watch the raw(ish) data in my idle time to get an idea about the attitude while doing something else on the big screen. But I do take a look at the indicators as well (mostly MACD and StochRSI).

There are two ways to make those lines cross: a real trend reversal or a huge spike with big weight into the old direction, followed by a nice enough hot-correction with big enough weight. I guess this time it's the latter. I think the price should have bounced back to >=450$ by now if the attitude really changed. I don't think there was any good reason for a trend reversal anyway (other than the good old reason that BTC should be >>1000$ by now, so <1000$ is really cheap...).
336  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 19, 2014, 04:09:46 PM


I will be happy if it consolidates around 390 instead of falling to 320.

320 won't happen again anytime soon, unless there is some major bad news.


I think it would suffice if the Huobi wall sat back for a while and someone started to panic about the recent exchange collapses (Mintpal, Bitcoin Trader -> this show is on again after Mt.Gox and it's followers ; or even start to dump the freshly stolen coins, in case there is any - left).
337  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 19, 2014, 03:32:02 PM
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not long to wait now, then upto $490 before consolidation to about $430, and then slow growth picking up pace over the next few months towards the next megabubble.


I will be happy if it consolidates around 390 instead of falling to 320.
338  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 19, 2014, 04:58:57 AM
I just had an epiphany. If bitcoin would just keep going up and stop going down we would have nothing to argue about. Is this a flaw in the code or something?

We could always argue about the date it will stop, why it haven't stopped already, etc.
Those next 24 hours would always be about bubble speeches and manipulation theories.
Oh wait... Cheesy
339  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] Darkcoin | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW and Darksend | Instant TX on: October 18, 2014, 04:27:49 PM

My CLOAK and Blackcoin has arrived on Bittrex from Mintpal but my DRK hasn't.


Wouldn't it be wiser to use your own wallet for this kind of withdrawal? Sad
It's not the right time to trust in both exchanges that they do as they were told or can be questioned if they don't seem to. Mintpal can now easily direct his lying finger to Bittrex. And you must relay on what Bittrex says (you can probably trust them but you won't have direct proof).
340  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 18, 2014, 05:50:02 AM
My single problem with people like Mike Maloney and Schiff is that they are backed/paid by gold/silver sellers and thus their paychecks DEPEND on being against bitcoin and 100% in favor of gold/silver.

Not necessarily. Schiff could theoretically do a full Bitcoin integration if he wanted.
He could offer a multipurpose BTC deposit wallet (limited in certain ways by user request, if any). We could deposit Bitcoin and spend it on-the-fly as fiat by debit card (like he makes this work with gold), swap it for physical gold (or sell it for fiat), may be even use it as leverage in a brokerage account...
But he doesn't want to because he really doesn't like the idea (at least not now).

He works for like europac gold right? He can only support bitcoin AFTER his company has decided to create such a system, otherwise bitcoin is a direct competitor for him until he makes such a move.

I am not sure but I remember him saying something like he is the sole shareholder in his own company, so its up to him if he wants to do anything with Bitcoin.
Also note the possible positive effects of a true bidirectional BTC<->gold exchange (with option to get the gold physically delivered + also yet another fiat/BTC exchange but with some background...).

I think he has virtually everything to make a notable impact on Bitcoin and cut some nice profit on the run. Everything except the will (and the software implementation with it's extra staff).
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