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Windows binaries have been uploaded. Everything in the OP now has the security fix. I'll upload blockchains soon (check for May 8th date).
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Ah, another coordinated get together. The more the merrier.
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This is not the github or website used by Monero. This github is outdated even with these updates. Only trust binaries from the first post. |
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well.
I for one have depended on input from the community. I do not follow all opinions or statements as fact. I measure it and then act accordingly. however, taco has said that we should update the blockchain. cont to mine with current binaries.
i was wondering if the reason I have not gotten any blocks in the last week is because I have been mining on a corrupted blockchain.
thanks.
The corruption involves substituting early blocks with fake ones (I believe blocks 1 to 1400, which was roughly the first 24 hours of mining). It shouldn't have affected any mining. If it shouldn't affect mining than what has affected? I don't need to choose now (just trying to figure out what coin to mine) and as well as other guys here I have seen a huge changing recently. can't tell whether it is god or not. HR is high but diff is too high and there must be some explanations not only fortune why me and other guys were unlucky to find blocks recently??? The balances connected to those early blocks would be affected. The removal of checkpointing means the problem has been stopped and reversed. There are plenty of nodes with the clean blockchains and you'll sync from them instead of absorbing any fake blocks. |
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well.
I for one have depended on input from the community. I do not follow all opinions or statements as fact. I measure it and then act accordingly. however, taco has said that we should update the blockchain. cont to mine with current binaries.
i was wondering if the reason I have not gotten any blocks in the last week is because I have been mining on a corrupted blockchain.
thanks.
The corruption involves substituting early blocks with fake ones (I believe blocks 1 to 1400, which was roughly the first 24 hours of mining). It shouldn't have affected any mining. |
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Blockchain was deliberately attacked by someone. Checkpointing permitted fast sync by skipping verification of early blocks. Attacker used this to flood the chain with fake blocks and corrupted it.
To be clear: it's not enough to recompile and relaunch. Delete your blockchain.bin first. A clean blockchain will be uploaded when available and it will be dated May 8.
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I've made a research on the commit that the NoodleDoodle has claimed to make publicly available. And you know what, I have found something very weird.
Experiment
Core I5, Windows.
Two attempts
1) Binaries compiled from the source code that NoodleDoodle committed yesterday.
2) Pre-compiled binaries that were spread on this topic.
Results
Hashrate:
1) Compiled binaries: 8.3 - 8.9 hr/s
2) Pre-compiled binaries: 15.1 - 15.5 hr/s
Come on guys, this stinks! Aren't you lying again?
My questions:
1) How exactly can the hash rates differ by the factor of 2 if they are on the same code? (Hint: it is impossible).
2) Why do the "team" claim that they've made the source code publicly available when they actually hide the real optimization?
3) Doesn't this mean that instamine is actually going on?
4) How much more the "team's" miners are optimized?
I guess, explanation is required.
Everyone is welcome to try it out themselves.
With the Bytecoin reference code and original build put out, Windows was roughly 2-3x slower than Linux. Noodle doubled Windows hashrates twice. The first time was with compiler optimization and affected Windows only. The second time was the loop change (now incorporated) and that doubled both Linux and Windows hashrates. From IRC: 14:57 NoodleDoodle: No, the first one is compiler "optimization" and the second one is the commit. 14:58 equipoise: which compiller are you using? I tried with intel 14:59 equipoise: compilling with avx 15:00 NoodleDoodle: You don't need avx. 15:00 NoodleDoodle: Just sse3. |
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The particular trade in question did happen -- seller was talking about it in IRC. I don't think verification is worthwhile or possible. After all, both could just collude to say the trade happened.
By the way, it looks like the bid-ask spread is decreasing. We're getting close to convergence (in the neighborhood of 120?).
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eizh: Will these changes help exchange owners that want to add MRO?
Yes, #1 is mostly for commercial entities so that they can identify payments. #2 is more general and useful for building tools that interface with the Monero software. |
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Is it possible to use daemon and wallet across proxy?
? Nothing within the code provides this yet. You would have to configure your connections on your own. Whats the benefit of these new ones? Previously 32-bit wasn't possible, which is the biggest change. These were the other improvements: 1. Simplwallet can set extra for transfers 2. Improvements in JSON RPC for wallet 3. Minor user experience improvements in simplewallet The top two don't really matter for ordinary users. |
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WTB 0.001000 / 750 / 0.75
Trade completed. lol, who'd you buy from at that cheap price? I'm guessing you're just driving the price down, because I can't find a seller under 0.0013500. You can just put up a buy order and someone looking to sell immediately may take it. Sell orders aren't your only option. |
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Not going to happen. A condition of the pool software bounty is that it is open source.
Yep, that was the entire point of the bounty. |
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Altcoin history shows that except in the case of premine (Tenebrix), the first implementation stays the largest by a wide margin. We're repeating that here by outpacing Bytecoin (thanks to its 80% mine prior to surfacing). No other CN coin has anywhere near the hashrate or trading volume. Go check diff in Fantom for example or the lack of activity in BCN trading.
The only CN coin out there doing something valuable is HoneyPenny, and they're open source too. If HP develops something useful, MRO can incorporate it as well. Open source gives confidence. No need for any further edge.
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Thus on balance I prefer CN, but I like to see it altered to use a quantum computer resistance algorithm. And then we need to add IP address obfuscation as well that is superior to Tor and I2P.
Darkcoin (CoinJoin innovation) is really not at the level of the two above. You can review my comments in the Darkcoin thread to see why.
Thanks for the overview. What do you recommend that's superior to Tor? |
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Main post now updated to the latest builds. Changes put in today:
- Source code change in slow_hash.c that doubles hashrate in both Linux and Windows.
- Windows from the same source + compiler optimization that puts Windows on par with Linux.
- 32-bit Windows binaries released. Please test these and report back.
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2. if you were a botnet owner and spent money (a lot I assume), would you direct your botnet to a month old cryptocurrency. Or would you direct it at coins already proven to be valuable with exchanges. Botnet owners I think are more like banks, they care more about short term profits than long term value. such a resource would not be chanced on an extremely speculative coin (more so than the rest). how many new coins come out, and how many are successful. I am sure botnet owners measure and weigh risk and profit differently than small players. It would in my mind an asic developer investing resources now for this coin when it has just come out of the gates.
This point is very often underestimated. Botnets are a limited and valuable resource to their owners and there are far, far more profitable things you can do with them than mine a 3-week-old CPU coin. Since they're eventually detected and destroyed, it makes sense to maximize their utility during their limited lifetime. By the way, diff is actually falling right now. The farm or whatever it was likely changed its mind. |
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Good, I'm sorry if it was disproportional.
My main questions were about skyrocket difficulty, a potentially unfair optimized miners, and an unfair take-over-control procedure.
As the miner is open-source now, and the difficulty chart can't be explained anyhow, the only one to ask you is how did it happen with the renaming and cloning the git.
We honestly have no idea where the hash power increase of the last 24 hours came from. No, it's not Noodle, since he was as surprised as anyone else. There are a lot of people with large amounts of computing power (even legally) and the increase 'only' corresponded to a few thousand CPUs. This community is not very big yet so large percent increases can still happen. As far as 'take-over' goes, that does happen in altcoins occasionally. >50% of the hashpower was represented in the meetings, which is the closest there is to "shareholders". TFT recently sent myself and a few others a PM saying he regrets not listening to the community more. I don't know how honest that is or isn't but it doesn't matter. There were good reasons for what happened with the way things were going with Bitmonero. The dev disappeared for days at a time, did not even acknowledge feedback, and the OP still looks like a pre-ANN so newbies have no idea what to do or how to mine. This is much more decentralized and transparent, with bounties raised for the shortcomings of CN coin that affect MRO and BCN alike (GUI, open-source pool). This is what progress looks like to me. And I think that's acknowledged by the fact that even discounting the last 24 hr increase in hashpower, Monero still has the highest number of miners in CryptoNote. |
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I don't mind the 'relaunch' or the merge-mining fork or any other new coin at all. It's inevitable that the CryptoNote progresses like scrypt into a giant mess of coins. It's not undesirable or 'wrong'. Clones fighting out among themselves is actually beneficial for Monero. Although one of them is clearly unserious and trolling by choosing the same name. Anyway, this sudden solidarity with BCN or TFT sure is strange when none of these accounts were around for the discussions that took place 3 weeks ago. Such vested interests with no prior indications. Hmm...?  |
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From forum.cryptonote.org: We really appreciate your interest in CryptoNote and your urge to create something worthwhile.
However, we've been following Bitcointalk discussion of Bitmonero/Monero and we're still undecided whether adding this coin as a CryptoNote implementation would be a proper decision at this time. It took us almost a weak to reach a consensus among the team, so we apologize for the delay. We do believe that the time will come for you to be added, but at the moment there is a couple of questions for you to think about:
1) If CryptoNote supports new technologies and the advent of new technological era, what is the contribution of this coin? How does it make CryptoNote technology prosper? What is that you have created?
2) Why does this coin have 2 websites, 2 official threads, 2 announcements, 2 reps? Was it worthwhile after all to use someone else's work and try to take over the control afterwards and split the community?
As you can see, for example, HoneyPenny coin in another thread on this forum proposes new ideas for the technology. Moreover, they were contacting us before the launch.
We do wish to see more CryptoNote-based coins, but hope that their creators would be more in line with our vision and keep their personal ambitions and greed low.
Please, correct me if we've got anything wrong. That bolded statement is rich. They're clearly unhappy but I think in general we should aim to be neutral (or reconcile) with CryptoNote devs as they're very important -- I'm pretty sure at least one of them contributes to BCN and its updates, which we need for continued development. With first mover advantage MRO will probably maintain more hashpower than any other CN coin, if not all of them combined. CryptoNote won't be able to ignore MRO. |
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I followed beautiful updates in Russian thread. It is good decision to cut-off Mining guide into other post from main topic. Smart move! Excellent upkeep. I can only hope the other translators will be as good as you. |
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