I'm unsure what the hangup was. I finally downloaded a list of updates that I've been putting off for a long time and that fixed the problem.
The drivers finally installed automatically without a hitch. Thank goodness because it was getting annoying.
In about 5 minutes I'll try it again. Is the BTC address still good that's part of your signature?
The address is good, but don't worry about sending me anything. Glad to help. 1.5BTC sent. Thanks again. Please let me know if you do not receive it. |
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I'm unsure what the hangup was. I finally downloaded a list of updates that I've been putting off for a long time and that fixed the problem.
The drivers finally installed automatically without a hitch. Thank goodness because it was getting annoying.
In about 5 minutes I'll try it again. Is the BTC address still good that's part of your signature?
The address is good, but don't worry about sending me anything. Glad to help. Thanks! I tried running them with the following cgminer -o mint.bitminter.com:8332 -u  ??_?? -p ?? It picks up the two video cards and starts mining, but doesn't do a thing with the BITFORCE single. Did I miss anything? To tell cgminer about the Single, you need to add something like '-S COM6' to your command line (change COM6 to whatever COM port your Single is assigned to). Success! Thank you very much. I revealed more than i wanted to in that last post. If you would so kindly update it to remove my information, I would appreciate. Thanks. |
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I'm unsure what the hangup was. I finally downloaded a list of updates that I've been putting off for a long time and that fixed the problem.
The drivers finally installed automatically without a hitch. Thank goodness because it was getting annoying.
In about 5 minutes I'll try it again. Is the BTC address still good that's part of your signature?
The address is good, but don't worry about sending me anything. Glad to help. Thanks! I tried running them with the following cgminer -o mint.bitminter.com:8332 -u m? _bt? ? -p ?0 It picks up the two video cards and starts mining, but doesn't do a thing with the BITFORCE single. Did I miss anything? |
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@Epoch. Thanks for the reply.
After posting, I decided to wait for my Windows 7 64 bit Machine to be repaired.
I got it up and running last night and now there's a new problem. The device drivers
for the bitforce single will not install. It worked fine on my windows xp 32 bit machine.
I disabled the driver signing and even installed a driver the forces any peripheral to act as a USB port, but nothing worked. Anyone else have a similar issue? How was it solved?
Thanks.
What device drivers do you mean? You don't need any special drivers for the Singles; Win7 has all the necessary drivers for it built-in. The Single should automatically be recognized by the Win7/64 machine without the user having to install anything special. Once you plug in the USB cable, Windows will ('should') automatically assign a 'USB Serial Port' for it such as COM6 or COM7 (it should appear in Device Manager under 'Ports (COM & LPT)'. If you take a look at the Properties of that port, it will list the driver provider as 'FTDI' with a driver date of 2011-03-18, version 2.8.14.0. This driver is included as part of the base Win7 installation, which is why no special user action is needed. If you have these ports appearing in Device Manager but the Single still won't work, try removing the 'USB Serial Port' entries in Device Manager, unplugging the Single, rebooting, and plugging in the Single again. Windows should then attempt to re-install the correct drivers. I'm unsure what the hangup was. I finally downloaded a list of updates that I've been putting off for a long time and that fixed the problem. The drivers finally installed automatically without a hitch. Thank goodness because it was getting annoying. In about 5 minutes I'll try it again. Is the BTC address still good that's part of your signature? |
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@Epoch. Thanks for the reply.
After posting, I decided to wait for my Windows 7 64 bit Machine to be repaired.
I got it up and running last night and now there's a new problem. The device drivers
for the bitforce single will not install. It worked fine on my windows xp 32 bit machine.
I disabled the driver signing and even installed a driver the forces any peripheral to act as a USB port, but nothing worked. Anyone else have a similar issue? How was it solved?
Thanks.
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About adult Content on Bitmit.
I wanted to show bitmit to my family the other day, but then I remember some of the adult content on there.
They would find that offensive. I'm sure there are many other potential/future customers that may also find it offensive.
Today, a lot of dildos for sale.
It would be nice if all this was buried a layer. Maybe only those posts show up after an account is made and then the user specifically disabled a "filter". Or some other mechanism. I've put a lot of stuff for real cheap to help promote the site and bitcoin, but I now hesitate to refer people to the site.
Please consider.
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So, I got one BFL single and its been two days now that its just sitting on my desk doing nothing. Pretty sad  So, who can write a guide for a layman like myself to get this running on my win XP 32 bit machine? Bounty 1BTC - Will increase bounty daily until its solved. I think I've done everything correctly, but it still complains about not having opencl installed. I thought if I use a tag to disable it that it would go away. My machine has no need for opencl - there's not gaming cards. I know there's a lot of information about this already, but I'm having difficulty sifting through it all to debug my mining issues. Thanks in advance for the help. |
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AFAIK there is a single post in the cgminer thread and that is it. Luke code is available in cgminer github.
Cool, looks like a simple serial port design. Do the other bitcoin FPGA solutions work in a similar fashion, anyone know? Would be a little hard to add support for this without an actual device to test on. But it looks simple enough that I could give it a try if someone has a device to test my beta versions on. Anyone get a BFL single yet? Btw, you can abort work, but then it won't report good nonces found during that round? I've got one. Just got it yesterday and don't have enough know how to get it running. You wait 12 weeks to finally get it to have to wait a few more days. Kind of annoying, but that's simply because i don't know how. What can I do to help getting these little guys running on bitminter? |
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Let me start off by saying this post is not bashing Bitcoin, I love the stuff.
What legitimate purchases are currently being made with Bitcoin? My cynical outlook predicts the huge majority are only being used for purchasing illegal products/services on underground websites such as silkroad.
I am aware there is a huge list of websites which accept Bitcoin, but I am guessing they make up a small fraction of bitcoins being used? I'm also sure a lot of donations made to controversial causes like Wikileaks could be considered.
Thoughts? Again I am not bashing, just want to hear your opinions.
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Let me start off by saying this post is not bashing Bitcoin, I love the stuff.
What legitimate purchases are currently being made with Bitcoin? My cynical outlook predicts the huge majority are only being used for purchasing illegal products/services on underground websites such as silkroad.
I am aware there is a huge list of websites which accept Bitcoin, but I am guessing they make up a small fraction of bitcoins being used? I'm also sure a lot of donations made to controversial causes like Wikileaks could be considered.
Thoughts? Again I am not bashing, just want to hear your opinions.
Bitcoin is not just a currency/economic experiment, it is a social one as well. What Bitcoin is as a currency is a reflection of the Bitcoin community. So criticisms about the currency reflect on all and some may find offensive. I fully understand where you are cumming from. I've been posting my extra stuff around the house for sale on bitmit.net to try and improve things. There's a lot of my stuff for cheap to try and entice new users to join this experiment. Other people have done so much more. It's growing slowly but surely. "Don't ask what Bitcoin can do for you, but ask what you can do for Bitcoin" |
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This thread has been interesting and has been much food for thought.
I hope all the opposition doesn't drive away the owner of the OP from Bitcoin.
Ideas being discussed even though they may have a low probability taking root is healthy and shouldn't be feared.
The idea that changing Bitcoin will kill Bitcoin is a fallacy. Here's why, it takes a pretty significant majority (specifically miners) to
accept a change like this. I would have to say that miners care more about bitcoin than anyone else. If they believe in an idea enough to
help implement it then there's no way it would kill bitcoin because it already has the backing and support of those who make it work.
Here's my thoughts on the proposal:
Bitcoin is too knew to seriously consider implementing a fix for a supposed problem that manifests itself over a very long period of time.
The fact that it is working now is a miracle. Until events transpire that causes all bitcoin user to reflect over something specific, gaining a majority will be extremely difficult unless you have a lot of clout.
I say be patient and who knows how the culture here will change in a decade.
Personally, I believe an idea similar to yours will be seriously considered as the block reward is pushed extremely low.
The success of changing from bitcoin rewards to transaction fees is still theoretical. I'm not saying it will not work, but it is theoretical and has been the topic of much discussion.
If it does not work as some envision it then solutions will be seriously sought after. These potentially lost bitcoins may be the source to drive the economic engine of bitcoin for another 100 years after the reward is gone without exceeding the hard coded limit of approximately 21 million bitcoins.
So, be patient. the time for your idea may come.
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I'm Interested.
I've been thinking about doing something similar or wait to join someone who did.
I'm good for a couple of grand.
Hopefully more people will show interest.
Also, interested in more details on exactly how it would work.
Will I own a portion of the mining rig for its life span?
What percentage of its earning will be held back for "operating costs"?
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I wish Vladimir the best; however, I think his passion/greed is getting the better of him (happens to me all the time).
This doesn't appear to be thought through entirely. Could be wrong so I hope Vladimir would be willing to respond.
Right now, the Bitcoin economy is valued at 42 million U.S. Dollars, but this does not mean there is 42 million dollars to be extracted by mining extremely cheap bitcoins and selling them on the market. There's only a few million dollars that are day traded keeping the market liquid (I really don't know the amount, but it sure isn't 42 million; it's much less). So, if you are expecting profits that are near or in excess that amount, you'll crash the market and your business will suffer.
A Bitcoin business that is bad for Bitcoin is bad for business!
I've read multiple comments that have mentioned the time and economic conditions still are not right for ASICs. Now that I've put more thought into it, they may be right. The amount of money/R&D required is near or higher than the amount of cash keeping the market liquid. If someone pursued ASICs at this point with plans to recoup their investments ASAP they may just crash the market and hurt themselves at the same time.
Please Please do not stop pursuing ASICs; just realize that the risk may be much greater than you think and please reconsider a different business model.....you know... Like selling hardware to the rest of us. I'm sure over the long run you'd recoup your costs and Bitcoin would be much better because of it.
Either way, I wouldn't change any plans to increase mining capacity (if anyone had any) over this thread. I really don't think there's anything to fear here, but I do realize that a few millions dollars foolishly invested with unrealistic expectations could kill a business and cause a recession/depression in the bitcoin market.
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you will do Escrow I thought this was a good thing for the buyer. Is there something I should know? BTW, originally I had no plans to sell. Things are just a little hectic right now and yes there is good opportunity to make a profit. I will be getting into bitcoin mining later. |
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It's just because he says: I should receive them early next week (just as the auction ends) Allten, perhaps providing your order date would be beneficial or that you've received a shipping confirmation. No Shipping confirmation yet. Just the word from BFL that I'm very soon to receive it. We are working on shipping this week and next. I have flagged your order to obtain new shipping info before we ship them They flagged my order so it can be shipped by them directly to the winner. I have one more to sell and plan on putting it on bitmit tonight. I put my neck out there on behalf of BFL because I will reimburse a single's daily earnings until it is shipped. |
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So, Here's what I've dug up so far. Appears relevant to "hashing" out a precise coding implementation for the BIP: Remember that a floating-point number can only approximate a decimal number, and that the precision of a floating-point number determines how accurately that number approximates a decimal number. By default, a Double value contains 15 decimal digits of precision, although a maximum of 17 digits is maintained internally. The precision of a floating-point number has several consequences:
Two floating-point numbers that appear equal for a particular precision might not compare equal because their least significant digits are different.
A mathematical or comparison operation that uses a floating-point number might not yield the same result if a decimal number is used because the floating-point number might not exactly approximate the decimal number.
A value might not roundtrip if a floating-point number is involved. A value is said to roundtrip if an operation converts an original floating-point number to another form, an inverse operation transforms the converted form back to a floating-point number, and the final floating-point number is equal to the original floating-point number. The roundtrip might fail because one or more least significant digits are lost or changed in a conversion.
In addition, the result of arithmetic and assignment operations with Double values may differ slightly by platform because of the loss of precision of the Double type. For example, the result of assigning a literal Double value may differ in the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of the .NET Framework. The following example illustrates this difference when the literal value -4.42330604244772E-305 and a variable whose value is -4.42330604244772E-305 are assigned to a Double variable. Note that the result of the Parse(String) method in this case does not suffer from a loss of precision. http://www.gavaghan.org/blog/2007/11/06/c-decimal-and-java-bigdecimal-solve-roundoff-problems I remember a class call "BigFloat" in Java. I believe to make the implementation successful, it will require floating point data types such as "decimal" (in MSDN" or "BigFloat" (in Java). I'm not sure how this is taken care of in other coding languages. This will be critical IMO to make sure everyone gets an exact block rewards every time. As for rounding, it makes the most sense to round to the nearest satoshi (8 decimal places). As I see it, there's two paths that we could go. 1) Each block reward is calculated as a percentage decrease from the previous block. 2) There could be a function that would return the block reward depending on the block number. |
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Bitcoin uses a scaled integer representation. The subsidy is 5,000,000,000 satoshis, or 1001010100000010111110010000000000 in binary. We scale that by 100,000,000 when we show things to the user, and we call 100 million units to be 1 bitcoin.
Thanks for the explanation. It was quoted earlier what the exact maximum amount would be and I had wondered how they calculated it. Every binary machine will always get this subsidy calculation right, because right-shift-without-carry is one of the simplest operations in the binary world. Every other scheme will have to figure out how to deal with inexact operations and rounding one way or another.
You are absolutely right. Whatever "scheme" is chosen will need to be well defined so everyone gets the calculation right every time. This is where computer technology shines and shouldn't be an issue at all. Well, it can't be implemented at all, as written. To implement it, someone would have to answer the questions that I asked back in post 38 [I Posted your question below]. If you don't care how the rounding gets handled, then yeah, I should think a couple of days should suffice, if even that long. By the way, how would this proposal deal with the integer representation? The first step in the new system would be from 2500000000 to 2499992063.50. Would this round up, or down? When it gets down around 0.00315 BTC, the delta will be less than one unit. How will this be handled?
As I stated earlier, I purposely left the details of implementation out of the BIP. First reason, was it would just give more things to argue over when the main part of the BIP was still under development. Second, the implementation I could devise may not be the "correct" one. I need experts to lend me a hand. If you are willing to entertain a coding implementation, we could start coming up with something. Doesn't mean you have to agree with the BIP, but it would help me with the initial mile stone of having it very well defined. |
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I wonder how much thought Satoshi gave this and what his main reason was. I think it was kind of a fairness thing. Whatever it was I think this decision more than most involved his guessing about how (time line etc) Bitcoin would be adopted.
Satoshi's choice of integer representation is obvious enough, but I think that the choice of right shift for the subsidy was deliberate too. It is exact and unambiguous right down to the final unit. Thanks for pointing this out. It may not be obvious to those with no experience in binary numbers. In fact, I haven't even thought about it that way. Is there any links available to how that code was "hashed" out among the developers? It would sure be interesting to see what their discussions were when they finalized it. There choice definitely makes for a very small piece of slick code to handle block rewards. A right shift in the binary representation of the number 50 every 210000 blocks. Presto! That tells me their decision was based almost entirely on getting it coded quick and keeping it simple - there were bigger fish to fry at the time. And it was just an experiment... I don't think they really envisioned it would be where it is today. Kudos to them for their achievements. This BIP does call for more complex code (but not impossible) for the rewards to be handled as proposed. I've tried to stay away from the details of code implementation in the BIP because it just opens another can of worms for everyone to argue over which seems pointless until it reaches mass consensus. However, since you bring it up... do you have an idea how hard it would be for the average developer to come up with an implementation like this? Just curious. My opinion, is it would only take a few days, but could get take longer if there's a difference of opinion between developers (i.e. BIP16 vs. BIP 17). |
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