So what kind of proof do you need if you, in fact, are corroborating "my claims"? What's up is that, in my estimation, 25 million or more of those went to Eugene and his team. That THAT is the source of the permanent and carefully orchestrated dumping. That it was and is a con, a scam, of which you, willingly and now knowingly, are part.

Again, who are you? What have you ever done for BC? What are you going to do, as a member of The Foundation, at the Amsterdam Conference?

These shouldn't be that hard to answer, should it?

If it is a text document, just put it here.

Does it say that 40-50 million coins were NOT mined in the first 3 days? Because if it says that, there's no need to even look at it since that is what I am saying...

I will post a very public link with screen shots of irrefutable evidence that what I just stated, 40-50 million coin s were mined in the first 3 days. Are you contesting that as not being true?

Be as concise or prolific as you deem necessary.

BC: 40-50 million coins mined in first 3 days.

Hi Maarten,

where is the transparency? Is that a virus? if it is a text, put it here, don't send me to no known links because I will not bite.

I ALREADY found the transactions that happened in the first 5000 blocks: 40-50 million coins. I have the proof, as I have stated. Are you disputint that fact?

Again: who are you? what have you done for BC? what are you going to do at the Amsterdam conference?

And what's with the outrage about Wizzfarm now? the guy ALREADY hosted the first Black Cast... It went so well that they are doing it a weekly occurrence by which the usual bullshit will be sold to the fan club and blinded-by-greed sheep.

Wizzfarm is the host-organizer of the black cast...

It seems to me most just don't want to see what is blatantly in front of their eyes...

wow

Hi Maarten, you write very shorts posts and dodge the tough questions.

What do I want from you, and anyone related to BlackCoin?  Total TRANSPARENCY. Short enough?

Who are you again?

Well Maarten, I am disappointed. I was expecting just a guess, a generous one at that, but, as I now have discovered, the uncomfortable questions, you simply avoid them as if they were never possed, hoping the blind by greed sheep will forget. Some, of course, do; others, more discerning, as you can see, not exactly. And, like I told you yesterday, as the volume, price and market cap continues dwindling, as more miners leave and as the discerning ones start going for the exits, it will be even more apparent.

But I, of course, don't forget. And as I promised I'd do yesterday, I am going to come with the REAL numbers, so there's no way to hide. I have to admit that I find quite peculiar the lapses in memory and perceptions of some no doubt well intentioned people that have posted here, at least two or three of them... and yet, even with the best of intentions, their memory of what happened just about two months ago is quite deplorable. In the beginning of the "mining period" it not only wasn't difficult to mine BC, it was extraordinarily easy. I have stated several times than somebody with a decent equipment has posted that in 8 hours he mined 520,000 BC. Somehow that was considered outrageous by even those who were there... amazingly, I repeat. The facts are that in the first three days of mining of BC, 40 to 50 million Blackcoins were mined. Let me repeat that so it will be quite clear for everyone: In the first three days of open mining of Blackcoin, 40-50 MILLION blackcoins were mined. Now, we know that Eugene and his "team" were quite prepared for the launch of the coin and the mining... how doubtful are you now, with this information on hand, that the DOGE had 25 million?

Take a couple minutes to digest the previous paragraph. And since it is so easy to anticipate your -and many other- thoughts and natural rebellion against the evidence and the facts, let me tell you this right now, beforehand: I have the evidence that proves that repeated statement in the previous paragraph. I know it will be demanded and it is at the ready.

Have a lot of those coins been already sold? Of course. A lot. But if we take that "the team", "Corleone team", as it were, may have had their hands on 25 million of those, that is a lot of dumping. How much has already been dumped? That I don't know -but it isn't impossible or even hard to find out with some accuracy.... At the risk of being wrong -on the short side- I'd say that the pace of dumping has been established at around 10 million coins a month since the first pump. That would be like 1 and 1/2 month approximately. By that measure, there would be.... uh, still around 7-10 million coins to be dumped. And dumped, they continue being. Orderly, slowly, but incessantly. Is The Black Hand that is dumping these millions also buying on dips? I certainly believe they are, but cannot be sure and, in any case, that would be relatively minimal in this short period of time by comparison with the dumping that has fleeced and continue fleecing investors and "enthusiasts" (sheep blinded by greed). After having successfully dumped next to 20 million coins at an average price of 35-37k satoshis, we find that "Team Corleone" has already cashed out well north of $3 million in fiat money. The Black hand has "operating money" to even conceive the idea that this coin may have a future, after all, if they somehow find a way to keep on milking the community, either via donations, lotteries or the continual fleecing at the exchanges. Still quite a few more millions of coins to dump, plus the ones accumulated on the dips. And, importantly, a future business that could be quite profitable (the never-fixed pool, the key to time the buys for instant profit), in itself -if the bloody miners can ever be lured back, that is- and that, if so, would continue being ideal to time the buys of The Black Hand to extend the fleecing perhaps for months, even for years, until the bombs finally explodes or the authorities intervene, whichever comes first.

Keep on dodging questions, Maarten. They'll also sink in: What are you doing at the Amsterdam conference? what have you done or bring to the table of BC? Mickey, Josh, Rob?

Oh, and just for your reference, Morituri admitted in the original forum to the existence of The Black Hand... of course he called it "group of investors"... you know, the one with contracts drawn and papers signed? That one. No conspiracy theories there, you know?

They DO buy, stool. Before the pool does. So the "admission" is only in your sicko mind.

And yes, they control ALL THE COINS IMAGINABLE because there are still many million to be dumped, although the big money was already made with the millions already dumped from 94 to 22. Get it now sicko boy? Still plenty of millions left that need to be dumped. And dumped they will. And dumping they are. Specifics won't do for sickos like you -or those blinded by greed, like most others- but it'll sink in eventually. Not that it will matter either -until this thing becomes a pathetic sideshow trading for a few hundred satoshis, that is-, so keep on keeping on.

The specifics? after Maarten has given us his wild guess....

Maarten, I know you are smart enough to not pretend ignorance. Of course that in the real world Tim Hortons wouldn't be allowed to do that. And yes, he would go to jail if he would do that. It's called, once again, "inside information" (google it since you don't seem to identify the very common sense scenarios).

Are you seriously asking what "information does this "Black Hand" have that makes them so rich?" Really? have you read my post? Once again, "The Black Hand" has already all the coins imaginable... how many? how many do you think? Make a wild guess (In my next post I'll go into the specific numbers so you will have the opportunity to check your estimates, ok?). Let me just tell you that they have a lot. All those wallets in the top 50-top 100? My guess they are controlled by the 15-20 members of The Black Hand. Ask Morituri if you want to know. But to REALLY know, ask Eugene, the capo de capi, the Master Puppeteer, Don Corleone. He knows EXACTLY how many... and since we are on him, why didn't you say anything about La Mano Nera gifting his (and St.GNU's) Multipool the Titan? How about the exclusivity of the multipool with BC at 2% a pop? how about The Black Hand not only knowing but controlling and designing when the proceeds of the multipool are turned into BC? Enough "inside information"? But this is just the regular pumps and dumps, the continuity, so to speak... if there's any (reminder: tic... tic... tic...). The big money has already been taken and is in the process of being taken (too many millions of coins, you know? hard to dump...) How many you ask? guess, give me your guess, I'll answer with the number on the next post.

Oh you are paying for you ticket to Amsterdam? Really? train ticket since it's your backyard. And the hotel? meals? Per diem, ah? And exactly what are you and Rob going to be doing there, walk on BlacCoin T-Shirts picking up fliers in the conference hall or will you giving away some fliers and maybe grab a couple of interviews with the usual channels? What is the business of BC over there? Promotion of what? A forked Peercoin with a gloriously elegant logo that has no practical purpose whatsoever? What is the excuse to be there in a semi-official way? But I don't know you and I can't even remotely fathom what can you do for BC -or have ever done- (and even though I asked, you just obviate the subject, which is quite eloquent in itself). I have no idea if you have direct involvement with "The Black Hand" -meaning being one of them- of you are, like Rob just some enthusiastic home miner happy to go along for the ride and kept completely out of the background activities, while they pick up the modest check. A front, as it were. We do all know who moves the puppets in this show already.

And what does it mean to "believe in cryptocurrency" and in "BlackCoin specifically"? That's why you are around? What does that mean, that you want to be a witness to history? You are not just "around" you are now a full member of The Blackcoin Foundation". That's not being "around", that's being as in as one can be. So since you are "in" and not just "around", what is in it for you? I take you mine the coin, that's a given -correct me if I am wrong, ok?-. You, obviously, have accumulated a decent amount of BC (how much?) but you don't want to just keep them and see the coin grow, you want to witness the process from the inside. You want it badly. Why? What is in it for you? What do you bring to the coin development, if anything? You are a baby, a student, what do you know of anything, really, that can be of any use to Blackcoin in it's future development? Rob? (I know that one: A job that he cannot get otherwise, in the real world) Josh? Mickey?
Truth is you don't bring anything of any substance to it. And you want money, like everyone else, and believe you have a better chance of getting to it from the inside than from the outside. The rest, dear child, is just bullshit. As it is, you will never really be allowed "inside", just a front. a set of puppets expertly handled by the master. And money? you would do much better just mining any other coin with a future without the bomb ticking.

Hello everyone. New to this community. Very interesting and innovative coin but several problems: I downloaded the wallet (for Windows). Simple enough but then not so simple because at one point of another I had to download another seemingly different wallet that took a long time to download the blockchain. Finally, I try to send some coins from Cryptsy and couldn't. After several hours, I gave up. I understand this is probably not a problem of the wallet, but I have never had any problem with Crypsty before so it is strange.

Anyway I have bought quite a sizable amount of coins today and plan on staying for a while, do the "forging" thing and try to understand the complex functioning of the coin and it's practical uses and purpose. At one point or another, I'd like to put some in my wallet if I can.

Meanwhile, it is quite surprising to me that NXT doesn't trade on MintPal being that it is the 6th cryptocurrency in market cap and that has a more than decent trading volume, so it'd be nice to start a campaign to get MintPal to include it. How about it?

Maarten, of course it is NOT an option. You do understand that in the real world that means jail? Do you understand that it is playing poker with a marked deck? Do you understand they are fleecing the community and the investors/traders? I know you do. The law is oblivious for now, but it is not going to always be like that and the time of reckoning will indeed arrive.

IE, on the other hand, and any other investor or group of investors have every right to invest in this coin as much or as little as they want... as long as they do just like everyone else: Without insider information or any other way of favoritism. Without marked cards. And of course he or they can accumulate as much as they choose or dump whenever they choose. BUT NOT THIS MAFIA, get it? Because they have information (and decision) that others, big or small, don't have. Because they can and DO time the purchases of the MultiPool to take advantage of it and dump against it. Because, once again: They are stealing from the rest of investors/traders. More clearly: From outside, you can do whatever you want; from inside, you simply can't: It's stealing. Clear enough Maarten?

There are other conflicts, of course, Eugene's business is the Multipool, he owns it with St.GNU. They only own it 50/50. Why do they have the business of BC at 2%? Why are they better than the rest that could surely vie for that position of exclusivity, guaranteeing 99% up time too, and more than probably for less than 2%? Why? Why La Mano Nera pays for the Titan (if it ever happens)? You sure see the conflicting interests there, don't you?

And since they are your pals at The Foundation, what does exactly Josh do in Cambodia that is of any remote interest for BC's progress? Nothing in Cambodia, I don't care what it may be, is of any interest or relevance to anything, anywhere in the rest of the world, what is exactly what he does over there -including if he ever gets some atms in one town or two-, that is of any interest or relevance to BC?  What does Mickey do? I mean he says he has just about 30k coins left after giving so much to so many projects but, other than those donations, what is it that he actually does that merits to be in the board of the Foundation? What do YOU do? We all know that Eugene is the capo di tuti capi, the puppet master, Don Corleone. And we all know Rob is the guy that couldn't get arrested (or a job) and now "works" for the 'per diems' and sells what he mines and a bit of his just over 100k stack to pay the rent. What exactly do you three geniuses do to "represent BC officially"? And who pays for Amsterdam? No need to answer that: The Black Hand, of course.

Everyone has already a very clear picture of who is who and what is what. No matter. As long as the price stays over 20, ra-ra. Will it? They are going to have to slow down the dumping big time if they want to artificially keep it above that. The volume? Gone. The market cap? thinning.  Go to Amsterdam and say hi to Brock Pierce -you guys are buying his Titan after all-. Remind him that he may have some pending court cases in the US, on account of charges of pedophilia and male rape...

Meanwhile, remember: Tic... tic... tic...

This is not just funny, this is hilarious... what "tens of thousands of dollars promoting BC" have "we" put. And who is "we" (oh, I do know, La Mano Nera, but for the rest: Who is "we", the ones that one of you, one of the "we" along with you, have already admitted to having a contract drawn and papers signed.
Can we know who the fuck you are, which are your wallets, is one of the wallets that has dumped over 600k coins yours... tell us. who the fuck are "we"?
and what the fuck have the "tens of thousands of dollars promoting BC"  bought. Where are the receipts for those "tens of thousands of dollars". Where are them. You, sir, are full of shit. You are a shark, stealing from the people that invest and trade in this coin. You ("we"), sir, are crooks, by any denomination, even if the law still (that will eventually change, you know?) cannot put you and your gangsters were you belong, behind bars. That's who "we" are. Lets see all of us, since you have blatantly taken our money dumping millions of coins -many millions- let us see your "contracts drawn, however formal they might be, and your papers signed" and let us decide if your "tens of thousands of dollars (with receipts to prove it, because that is a fallacy" spent on promoting BC", are first real and second something that the community want in exchange form letting you fleece us. Nothing outrageous, is it? We (the other we) want to know who you are, and what you have done (no, I know you wont admit to the robbery but just think that not all of "we" are fully convinced and one has already snitched; more will sure come out with time, when the coup from 90 to 30 is simply impossible to repeat. They will come forward and talk. And, if/when the law takes this ludicrous crooksville and puts it to task, those will be granted freedom in exchange for information, so be sure we are going to find out in due time and not in too long a time), but you can tell us who is "we" and what the contracts and papers say. I take that if you come forward like this, not only nothing will happen but also you will be allowed to brag about it... such is the reality in crookville, so you don't have anything to fear in the near term...

As long as you even hint that your overall motive and determination is "to take BC to the next level". I can assure you that 99% of the blinded sheep will believe you. Guaranteed.

Slinger, no I don't, of course. It is just another shitcoin with a glorious logo and a bunch of crooks sucking the blood of an absurdly blinded by greed community.

There's no chance at all, none whatsoever, that this one will ever get to even a very small niche of success. In 6 months it will be a terrible memory for all the sheep involved and sacrificed.

Ideas? what ideas? Ideas like IE's, to bring more innocent people to be scalped by the crooks? Bo thanks, that's for you and all the incredibly hypocritical sheep that want to "take the coin to the next level" -next level being 20 cents instead of 13 and no matter how many innocents are separated from their money-. I already have cashed out most of my chips and moved to other endeavors that I don't know if they are or not controlled by crooks, like this one. And that, at least, bring innovation and technical advances to the table, such as Next and Dark.

I will keep a bit of BC just to keep the gloriously beautiful wallet on my desktop and for hilarious entertainment purposes.

But see, this is not about me. Or about IE. It is about you, the sheep blinded by greed, and the crooks that are taking your money from you. You don't want to see it because it doesn't fit in the picture that you have contributed to create and you believe that not only it will get back to triple current levels, but it will actually go much higher than that. Because the people "with ideas" will "take it to the next level". THAT level. Sadly, you are going to be quite disappointed, quite soon.

Until then, tic... tic... tic...

This is so, so funny... Amazing, in fact. Human nature, I guess. The kind od "Lord of the Flies", human nature... woe.

You are playing poker and the cards are marked and you are the only players that don't know which cards are which. So yes, they will all fold on occasion, so you get in all the way and then take it all away. You see, they not only know -and actually direct- everything that is going on and WHEN it is going on, so they will position themselves accordingly.

Remember that blatant rip-off machine they have invented, called Black Shield? think about it for a sec, ok? when some "whale" decides to dump (and you know by now who the real whale is, don't you?), you will be called... not to get out and escape the onslaught but just to pony up even more food for the whale... beautiful, isn't it? They want ALL your money, all of it. Not just what you have already contributed to Black Shield but whatever you volunteer so.... well, the whale will sell at the prices they want, rather than having to follow the market rules and be victim of their own dumping, they want you to actually minimize the effect, to actually FEED the whale. Master strike Eugenio and The Black Hand (te saluto, Don Corleone). Meanwhile, they would have slowly bought while the coins from the pool "wait for a dip" and since La Mano Nera knows when the pool is going to buy, they will exactly sell against that and whatever pump that buy may cause because, well, the know what are the cards, when and exactly how those buys are going to happen, so they'll simple sell against YOUR buys. They simply cannot lose because, you know, they know what the cards are.

Now, the faith, your faith. In BlackCoin. Another clone, with absolutely not even a small innovation, just another clone of Litecoin, not even close to the most advanced of them. A gorgeous logo and a community blinded by greed. The miners have already left not to come back again, Titan or no Titan; the traders are finding out that they are playing with sharks, so the volume has come down way faster than the market cap. The announcements of the PR, the forever coming "soon" V2... all to no effect while the market cap keeps diminishing and the volume disappearing.

The beginning of the end.

Tic.... tic... tic...

We all know, by now, who are the people behind those -and other- addresses. We ALL know. I call the The Black Hand. You call the "group of investors" (you know, the one that morituri admitted has been operating in BC for a long time and that is close to and financing the business of some of the dev's team. Oh they are doing quite well, believe me, so you should be proud of them in that regard. Have they the "right"? to do it? well, not in the real world (they'd be in jail in the real world). Here, in this particular twilight zone, even bragging rights...

But don't for a second pretend that just because most are idiots all are, ok? We all know by now who is who here and who is fleecing who.

Enjoy the fleecing for more is still coming while this inevitably tic... tic... tics...

last processed block: 121842 (may 9, 2014, 23:33 utc)
address: B9eow5hGJrGxzzEtpTX9QDiHnechddoDsp
total received: 1115530.79432963 bc
total send: 1114530.79432963 bc
final balance: 1000.00000000 bc


From 603,696.0000000 on April 27th, to exactly 1,000 today (having dumped even today)

last processed block: 121851 (may 9, 2014, 23:37 utc)
address: BFxNbZV7yPL8k9SJHVz2nYsK7eHECK1BL6
total received: 609000.00000000 bc
total send: 609000.00000000 bc
final balance: 0.00000000 bc

From 609,000 on April 27th to 0.00000000 today

last processed block: 121856 (may 9, 2014, 23:37 utc)
address: BE5YLHVDUZF8FLfMwyFzEqQ8J2uxqSQX8D
total received: 6938289.03756800 bc
total send: 6938289.03756800 bc
final balance: 0.00000000 bc

Those are the other 3 wallets mentioned among the 5 in the top 20. Oh there are many more wallets, I can assure you, in the top 50 and the top 100.

And yes, as of now, there's no way to prove to who they belong or, for that matter, who controls them. But since we all know The Black Hand is at work and has been here from the very early stages, we all know who are the individuals involved, don't we Rat4? Don't we Eugene?

Mind you, this is, and for now remains, unregulated territory... for now. Maybe not for too long, so it is conceivable that one day we could see the owners and controllers of these and the other wallets.

They surely will be attached to their arrest mugs.

"Answered the point"? You are kidding, aren't you? A total imbecile trying to not sink in his own bullshit "answering" anything? Oh, you just don't want ho hear the truth... no matter, it'll sink in in due time.

"that amount of coins" is just the tip of the iceberg. If you bother to corroborate you will see that there are, in fact, significant amounts more tahn  have been dumped. This is carefully orchestrated and although the figures are big, they are nothing compared with what has been dumped, by the same individuals The Black Hand, earlier on. On April 27 the price was already at 35k. But It had seen major, major dumping BY THESE SAME INDIVIDUALS, from just below 50 a few days earlier and from just below 95k still a few days more earlier than that. The total figures are staggering and YOU can find them, almost exactly, if you widen your search to the top 100 wallets.

And no, very little -if any- has been bought. This is a different conspiracy. I'm sure these individuals have bought some coins along the way, but I doubt very much that any significant buying on their part has taken place above the low 20s... other than, of course, the pool's output. IE's conspiracy is only true in one part, scarcely so in the other (but true on both). The objective here was -and still remains, but much less so- to dump the tens of millions of coins the group came to control during the early days. Let me repeat it to you: TENS (plural) of millions of coins. Most of it -but not all- already dumped.

Hey, you have the evidence in front of you. Do with it as you please.

In clear, irrefutable clack and white, everything is there. MUCH more specifics can be collected if the examination goes, for instance, to the top 50 -or even 100- wallets, instead of just the top 20, but I don't want to waste my time with the "small" details.

It will be even much more clear if someone bothers to follow the trail from the days of the big pump and, when the coin reached 90k sat, the trail of the dumps. It will be even more blatant and, of course, the figures, more staggering. Homework for those interested.

Anyone that is not 100% imbecile, will see it for what it obviously is. For the rest, I would refer you to Einsteins word's about infinity.

Very interesting to follow the trail… it takes you to some places that you had anticipated, of course. Still the corroboration is so blatant that it shocks you a bit.

If you check the 20 richest BC wallets as 9:57AM April 27th, 2014. You find that the one in position number 13, has a balance of 703 338.99372117, number 15 has a balance of 609 000.00000000, number 16 has a balance of 603 696.00000000, number 18 has a balance of 550 680.70344934 and number 20 has a balance of 517 042.17227691. A rough total of 3 MILLION BC distributed in 5 wallets.

Now fast forward to may 9, 2014, 21:57 utc, just 12 days after, and, of all those millions and all those wallets,  you can only find the ones in number 18 and the one on number 20, now located at numbers 123 and 115, respectively and where both together had over one million coins, now they have less than 100k each. The other 3 wallets are nowhere to be seen among the 527 top wallets so they will have less than 14k each if they have anything at all.

In clear black and white, those controlling those 5 wallets have dumped, in 12 days, just under 3 million coins or aproximately 900 BTC, north of $400,000. In 12 days.

Te saluto don Corleone...

On a separate subject, it seems that La Mano Nera will not officially have presence in The Foundation (we all know they are in cahoots of course): So far 5 members of The Foundation have a total of less than 250,000 coins in their wallets... since Soepkip is a member of it and we all know he has "a bit over 100,000 (minus sales to pay the rent)" -quoted his own words-, the other four members have really not that great amounts  and Mickey professes to have just about 32K (after so many recent donations), that leaves a total of under 120k between Josh, Maarten and Eugene. I am sure they have wallets at the ready to show this to be true.

And as truth goes, it is simply hilarious... : http://www.blkfoundation.org/team.php