... so if you have an idea or contribution (such as the white papers or YT vids) PLEASE PM me and I will make sure important info gets passed on directly to the Devs.
Why the ideas need to be sent to you instead of write directly to this thread? Are the devs so busy that unable to follow this thread? It's obviously not the case here as the devs delivered nothing in the last 9 weeks, they don't work on the coin (at least do nothing that make sense) and should have time to read the input from investors/community members. This guy is so desperate to be something -other than Nosker kiss ass pet- in Vericoin, along with getting some money with his silver coin business on the side, that he has appointed himself as some sort of missing link between the community and the stooges. Even though the stooges, as you point out, have not done anything at all but read these boards and post here and on twitter, 99% unnecessarily -and damaging- stuff for 9 weeks. But, mind you, they are busy: This is an active forum with some long posts by some posters -hint, hint...- and reading all the stuff takes time. And then they have the vacation, the family, those biology papers coming up and the full time job and Mr Softie... It is not that they don't know their faces from their asses, you know? It just lack of time. But there comes the pooch to help with the suggestions... |
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So everybody is talking to move to Veritalk. But it seems nobody is reading the posts there. Reavon put a lot of work in two whitepapers and TJ_VRC offered his help to make a yt-video.
That are just two examples.
The response is poor. If this is what community means I'm scared.
Everybody has at least the ability to motivate those guys with a little "thank you". There are so many good supporters spending their time for free like Xosihc, Reavon, Socal, Kevondo and others and of course the devs.
Even Barabbas is useful for the community because another point of view can help sometimes. For my taste he is a little bit too negative but hey, I can live with that.
What I mean is: if you want to be a part of a community, you should also invest something at least a Little "Thank You" for the supporters!
Regards,
Michael
Well thank you Michael. A bit of good will is always a nice thing... but "a nice thing" is meaningless as far as supporting a project such as Vericoin. Just like those making the "efforts" would do the project a great favor not only if they would volunteer nothing but actually stay away completely... other than supporting it with their investment. Because those "efforts" are, obviously, counter productive. Just like the public appearances of the two devs that cannot stop saying meaningless and, again, counter-productive things. See? if it were for will, and enthusiasm and even dedication, all of us would be Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Albert Einstein, Roger Federer and Brad Pitt -to mention just some examples-, and win gold medals and world cup titles every 4 years on every discipline. Does deserve a "thank you" someone who spends inordinate amounts of time trying to run the 100 meters in under 12 seconds, when his best mark is 32? I believe, other than the benefit of the exercise, which is quite personal, is just an exhibition of complacency, just as eating 60 nuggets per session as KFC would be. And almost equally regrettable both. Definitely, not serving any community purpose of any measurable kind. The reality is that those efforts by those individuals have, so far -Xosihc's will effect after it takes place-, taken us to a loss of over 80% from the highs, so perhaps we would have been much, much better without any effort at all? Just a very objective consideration. So thanking efforts of obvious incompetence? No, thank you. As for veritalk, what can I say? No one but no one ever wants to be in a place where only delusional and mental cheerleaders post. Not even them. Especially them. So if you expect that to take off any day soon, perhaps you should think it again. Every post of you, Barabbas, sounds that you are a very embittered guy. You wrote that enthusiasm and dedication are meaningless, for me it's everything. Without it the Vikings wouldn't have explored Newfoundland and Edison wouldn't had invented the light bulb because he didn't stop trying. If you are enthusiastic and motivated you can reach nearly every goal. Of course there are a lot of mistakes you can make, but we are human beeings so we can learn from. If the community and the devs are motivated, even when the value drops to 100 Sat, we can reach everything, all we have to do is keep on and don`t quit. Like I wrote, your point of view is very often interesting and true, but trying to demotivate people is something you shouldn't do. Regards, Michael No Michael, you are wrong. And it is already very late for you to realize that. Let me put it to you in a way that you can understand: To "reach nearly every goal", you have to start by setting REALISTIC goals, otherwise you would waste all your time, efforts, perseverance and enthusiasm. Get the difference? No matter how much you try to beat Kobe Bryant, you just will never be able to come even remotely close to it. Or much as you may like to sing like Placido Domingo or paint like Dali.... nah. Efforts, enthusiasm, training, the whole shebang... nada. Get it? It is only IF you have the talent, a condition sine qua non, you could get to those leagues. No talent = exercise in futility. I hope you get it. Because, frankly, you really, really need to. I am not bitter at all. Tired of dealing with the most abject mediocrity, yes. But not bitter at all. Mediocrity will always be a stumbling block to progress. The mediocrity here is overwhelming. And that's why this project is destined to oblivion because mediocrity could, with a lot of support, potentially pull a mediocre outcome, but abject mediocrity mixed with arrogance, is a sure-fire failure going to happen. |
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i just like making barabbas type long rants it s entertaining as for me to help out I'm just an investor/cheerleader i have about 16000$ invested I don't day trade vericoin i stake them, only coin i don't trade, i also run a large manufacturing business and clothing line that i will be accepting vericoin as payment through my webshop... thats about what I'm good for if thats not enough for you mr.barabbas it doesn't bother me... I have faith in the community and the devs to manage the rest which is why i chose vericoin as my 1 coin i just accumulate and i trade the all the other weekly coins  you like to sound smart but really the way u speak says it all... as a business man ,even if you were a genius i wouldn't want to invest into anything that had a person like you involved... little tip.. learn to speak to ppl and one day someone might take u seriously and let u ride their coat tail Delusional as always. Get it for once: No one wants to be in any group of delusional, deranged cheerleaders like you are. No one. Just stick to veritalk and it will be much more eloquent that I can dream of being. As for you, I wouldn't be in business with you, under any circumstance, even if you were to sell me dollars at 50 cents ... -figuratively speaking, of course-. People like you and the other three deranged cheerleaders and me, don't jell, never will. Now, the rest, the 99.99% rest, will do just fine -in degrees of course- when confronted, however bluntly, with the different facets of the truth. But what do I know? You are an obviously successful individual and not so obviously happy one, so you much be doing something right. So, as long as you are happy... I just cannot bring myself to believe that you are even remotely close to that... and still spend inordinate amount of time posting nonsense here. But hey, it must be just me? As for accepting VRC as payment in your business... you mean accepting payment through an intermediary -such as Moolah- or straight up VRC? I would expect nothing but the latter coming from such a cheerleader. And, actually, caveting -and achieving it as of now- the honor position of being the first one... I'm sure the stooges would be extremely happy putting your name as the first and only in the page marked as "Merchants" in the website. It currently looks quite depressing as it is. I'm not sure one -however "large"- would have a huge impact but certainly it wouldn't look as depressing. And you could write -although I strongly suggest that you dictate instead- it as historic in your memories... |
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So everybody is talking to move to Veritalk. But it seems nobody is reading the posts there. Reavon put a lot of work in two whitepapers and TJ_VRC offered his help to make a yt-video.
That are just two examples.
The response is poor. If this is what community means I'm scared.
Everybody has at least the ability to motivate those guys with a little "thank you". There are so many good supporters spending their time for free like Xosihc, Reavon, Socal, Kevondo and others and of course the devs.
Even Barabbas is useful for the community because another point of view can help sometimes. For my taste he is a little bit too negative but hey, I can live with that.
What I mean is: if you want to be a part of a community, you should also invest something at least a Little "Thank You" for the supporters!
Regards,
Michael
Well thank you Michael. A bit of good will is always a nice thing... but "a nice thing" is meaningless as far as supporting a project such as Vericoin. Just like those making the "efforts" would do the project a great favor not only if they would volunteer nothing but actually stay away completely... other than supporting it with their investment. Because those "efforts" are, obviously, counter productive. Just like the public appearances of the two devs that cannot stop saying meaningless and, again, counter-productive things. See? if it were for will, and enthusiasm and even dedication, all of us would be Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Albert Einstein, Roger Federer and Brad Pitt -to mention just some examples-, and win gold medals and world cup titles every 4 years on every discipline. Does deserve a "thank you" someone who spends inordinate amounts of time trying to run the 100 meters in under 12 seconds, when his best mark is 32? I believe, other than the benefit of the exercise, which is quite personal, is just an exhibition of complacency, just as eating 60 nuggets per session as KFC would be. And almost equally regrettable both. Definitely, not serving any community purpose of any measurable kind. The reality is that those efforts by those individuals have, so far -Xosihc's will effect after it takes place-, taken us to a loss of over 80% from the highs, so perhaps we would have been much, much better without any effort at all? Just a very objective consideration. So thanking efforts of obvious incompetence? No, thank you. As for veritalk, what can I say? No one but no one ever wants to be in a place where only delusional and mental cheerleaders post. Not even them. Especially them. So if you expect that to take off any day soon, perhaps you should think it again. |
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That was a veri good hangout out session. Doug Ty. I learned a lot from it regarding how coins function as to how I thought I previously knew.  A well Deserved Applause at the end to. Still nobody want to realize of the evident? Every time dev # or dev #2 (in this case it is almost a daily occurrence), opens their mouth the price takes a hit. Why do you think that is? Oh I'll tell you why that happens: Because they have absolutely nothing of substance to say. Or worse: What they say is so utterly ridiculous that the effects are, ALWAYS, counter-productive. As I have stated before many time: Keep your mouth totally shut. And open them ONLY when there's something ob substance to be said. That goes for interviews too. And, above all, before you say anything, think, reflect, study, ASK FOR GUIDANCE and finally say just what you should know by then it is appropriate and STICK TO IT and ONLY to it. Once again, like talking to the freaking wall... Jesus Babrabbas...why dont you take your own advice! no ones listening... the way you talk no one wants to bother with you..good ideas or bad ideas doesn't matter, you come across rude and disrespectful..dont u get it by now... you ARE talking to a wall... Simply amazing: Neither you, nor the other three (total) useless cheerleaders that keep on posting inanities day after day, hour after hour here, in spite of insisting that they want to only read what other cheerleaders post, as in veritalk, get that you are four (total) and that the vast majority of people with a deep or passing interest in Vericoin has absolutely no interest whatsoever in listening to your constant and mindless "support" (propaganda, rather). Now, keep on asking for censorship, as you do 10 times a day, but here, where there's none -nor is wanted, of course- instead of going where you rightfully belong. Get this: You are 4 cheerleaders and 3 stooges, ok? Simply amazing... since your prob glued to your screen waiting for a reply ill play with you since you seem lonely, but its always the same usual drunken rant... proving everyone right ... your not wanted in the cheerleader group , get it? why so much effort? aren't you tiered ? lol First of all, a lesson, since you are obviously illiterate: "Your" is an adjective which has nothing to do with the verb temp that is "You are" and it's contraction, "you're". Learn that and you will hide your evident shortcoming. It will serve you well. Second of all, I would never be a cheerleader and, if I were, first order would be to kick the fat one -you, dear child-, to the curve. Finally, not even by accident or any other circumstance I would be entangled with anything remotely connected with you, one of the most useless handles I have ever seen on the internet... and I have seen loads of them. Yes, now please, please, please, get back with yet another illiterate, senseless, stupid as a hammer post because I am indeed waiting in desperation for it. Just like a drug hook... Some levels of idiocy are impossible to even fathom, not even in illiterate individuals, as the case, evidently, is. |
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PwP is still a thing in motions. But due to community interest we have switched focus to the Poker platform. Which for the last few days actually got put aside to create the Twitter Bot exchange. Good old Scope creep on multiple projects  It is all starting to tie together on its own as we delve deeper into everything. So having the ability to buy Pinkcoin with Fiat is definitely in our sights.Perhaps someone should clarify what that means, because simply put as it is in that sentence, doesn't reflect the alternatives (only one, really) to achieve this: In what refers to the USA -and many other countries- the ONLY way to do it, without spending a lot of money, is through an intermediary, such as Moolah (there are many others). This is very easy to accomplish and in the wallet it is simply a link to Moolah's site. That's it. But, clearly it is NOT what people want, i.e.: direct conversion from fiat to PINK without the added fees collected by the intermediary of choice. THAT can only be achieved, legally -and legality is a requirement, not an option-, by depositing a very large amount of money to get the licenses needed in the US and in other countries. In other words: It is NOT doable. On a separate note, no one is worried by the fact that PINK has lost more than half the value reached -admittedly, record one-, in the last few weeks and now seems to sit at the lows of that period, for no apparent reason? I would say it is somewhat troublesome considering there are no events -or much lack thereof- for such a steep decline... I am personally starting to load up (my very small boat) around these prices because I cannot understand at all why the coin is being sold and I believe the rebound is very, very near... The current valuation of this coin is, in my opinion, extremely below the level that current assets, especially the community, would seem to deserve, so I'm investing for a quick rebound. |
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That was a veri good hangout out session. Doug Ty. I learned a lot from it regarding how coins function as to how I thought I previously knew. A well Deserved Applause at the end to. Still nobody want to realize of the evident? Every time dev # or dev #2 (in this case it is almost a daily occurrence), opens their mouth the price takes a hit. Why do you think that is? Oh I'll tell you why that happens: Because they have absolutely nothing of substance to say. Or worse: What they say is so utterly ridiculous that the effects are, ALWAYS, counter-productive. As I have stated before many time: Keep your mouth totally shut. And open them ONLY when there's something ob substance to be said. That goes for interviews too. And, above all, before you say anything, think, reflect, study, ASK FOR GUIDANCE and finally say just what you should know by then it is appropriate and STICK TO IT and ONLY to it. Once again, like talking to the freaking wall... Jesus Babrabbas...why dont you take your own advice! no ones listening... the way you talk no one wants to bother with you..good ideas or bad ideas doesn't matter, you come across rude and disrespectful..dont u get it by now... you ARE talking to a wall... Simply amazing: Neither you, nor the other three (total) useless cheerleaders that keep on posting inanities day after day, hour after hour here, in spite of insisting that they want to only read what other cheerleaders post, as in veritalk, get that you are four (total) and that the vast majority of people with a deep or passing interest in Vericoin has absolutely no interest whatsoever in listening to your constant and mindless "support" (propaganda, rather). Now, keep on asking for censorship, as you do 10 times a day, but here, where there's none -nor is wanted, of course- instead of going where you rightfully belong. Get this: You are 4 cheerleaders and 3 stooges, ok? Simply amazing... |
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That was a veri good hangout out session. Doug Ty. I learned a lot from it regarding how coins function as to how I thought I previously knew. A well Deserved Applause at the end to. Still nobody want to realize of the evident? Every time dev # or dev #2 (in this case it is almost a daily occurrence), opens their mouth the price takes a hit. Why do you think that is? Oh I'll tell you why that happens: Because they have absolutely nothing of substance to say. Or worse: What they say is so utterly ridiculous that the effects are, ALWAYS, counter-productive. As I have stated before many time: Keep your mouth totally shut. And open them ONLY when there's something ob substance to be said. That goes for interviews too. And, above all, before you say anything, think, reflect, study, ASK FOR GUIDANCE and finally say just whaty you should know by then it is appropriate and STICK TO IT and ONLY to it. Once again, like talking to the freaking wall... |
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Doug appears to do that. Constantly. Even though he doesn'n have absolutely anything to say... Remarkable. |
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I found it quite reasonable to ask why any Gran, Joe or Janet in the first world would bother using an alt currency when they can use CC or PayPal or OK Pay etc. Thats why cryptos are a fad  Once again, to you and all the others who make comments like this...if you feel this way, then WHY ARE YOU HERE? Do you have so much free time and are such a loser that you use your free time to waste everybody elses? I don't understand. Are you crazy? Is this what crazy people do? Can someone sane please explain this to me? Those of us who are here think Vericoin is a fantastic alternative to FIAT, BTC and other currencies. I'm not going to repost the lists because its been posted many times already. If you disagree, go away. I don't mind constructive comments, but this is neither positive or negative constructive comments. It's just emptiness. Post your empty brain dump somewhere else. Hold on bucko! You just wasted quite a bit of time posting ... absolutely nothing. You are more than probably in the wrong forum. Should i direct you to veritalk instead? The kind of absurd meaninless nonsense that you post and like to read should be over there.. And shinraven insist on people being civil and respectful... yeah, right. Anytime now. |
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Isn't it amazing that the veritalk is fully opened and moderated and yet the chorus line continues to post here non-stop and WITH -like always- ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SAY.
I find that amazing myself.
Much more amazing is that socal continues to ram the prairie without a muzzle. That is outright insane.
Shinraven or whatever, shortcomings and deficiencies are what they are. Whether repeated of not. And they are mighty simply to put in evidence.
But you pretend to put nice ribbons on a turd and pretend it's bon-bons. Be my guest.
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@DEVS: The community has been asking for the FORUM button on the wallet to lead to a moderated thread. Is it possible to provide this? Thanks.
We are going to do this so that there can be a non-combative, non-vulgar link in the wallet for the average person. We do intend to keep this thread as well so that there is an unmoderated place to speak freely as well. The thing is we can't convince "Aunt Emma" to use digitalcurrency and then lead her to stumble on massive repetitive and sometimes vulgar fudding at times and is quickly turned off for good. I may even suggest a link to a support section of the VeriTalk Forum. Perhaps call it "Support", "New to VeriCoin" or the generic "Forum" is fine to. Perhaps pull a dropdown menu up off of the forum, and give them a choice on where to go. A place where a moderator can help people in a reasonable amount of time. You have community members who have shown they are more than willing to give time to help others in the past. This small attention to detail across the board would solidify the brand and make sense to people new to virtual currencies. What doesn't make sense to everyday people is looking at roadmaps of what vericoin is, and then looking for all the features that they expect to be out, and polished. Only to find that these big deals at the time turned out to be several rushed, premature projects that, once launched failed to meet every basic objective they set out to have. To this day they are not complete, embarrassingly so. Good suggestion regarding forum link. Now correct me if I'm wrong but the only thing that was released unfinished was the fiat feature. This was a misstep I agree. However VeriSMS, VeriBit, VeriSend and variable interest are done, were well tested and are used in practice. Our current roadmap is on track and reflects the new fiat feature, as well as everything else we are working on. This leads us to the two biggest problems in crypto. Being able to easily buy it and spend it. VeriBit solves the spending problem mostly for within crypto usage. This is key. However getting the regular non crypto person to spend is still a challenge. Therefore we will have an optional service for spending VeriCoin with a visa card. Regarding the cozying up with banking system argument. Let those who do not cash out their crypto into the banking system throw the first stone. This just makes that process easier. This is how it is and we can move forward faster by utilizing it optionally. In this context new people can say I get how to use it, now lets start earning interest. Users and demand is what we need more than anything. Regarding the card there is not too much I can divulge until Coinsis does. However I appreciate the constructive criticisms. I will answer anything I am at liberty to. Though I do not have time to read every single forum post and still be on track with the roadmap. This is simply amazing. Our stooge #2 and new go-to man is openly accused of trying to con Aunt Emma and of committing fraud while doing so and answers with the usual disperse tactics and common places. Amazing, simply amazing. Listen genius, there's no way -nor should be- that Aunt Emma is ever going to invest in digital currencies. Nor should she, ok? The digital currencies are not for the consumption or investment of Aunt Emma or even -save for exceptions- baby boomers. At all. Not even remotely close to safe for them to even step timidly into that territory. What your genius idea proposed was that Aunt Emma would invest let's say $1,000 in a "convenient Vericard" and when she decides to use it, a couple of weeks later, discover that she can barely buy 1/10th of what she was able to buy two weeks earlier with her $1,000. And that is NOT INCLUDING FEES either. Get it now, genius?? When I and others refer to Joe and Jane Sixpack we are referring to active members, middle class 15-50 people that has never heard of digital currencies. Get the demographic now? Aunt Emma is not even a consideration, ok? And of those 15-50 people, you first create awareness and hope for piquing the interest of 2-3%. And you have to hit them in the gut... but with TRUTH (what a concept, ah?). They already KNOW and have painfully experienced and continue experiencing the bad that banks and credit cards have/continue inflicting in them. They WILL LISTEN to anything that claims to baypass those. whether they understand the baypass process or not. But I am shouting in the freaking desert here, so no more. You just don't get it because you are so full of... well, it. Now sinkraven or whatever, lets make it very clear: Not everyone in advertising is a creative person. First. Then, not everyone in advertising, who is also creative, is good, or talented, ok? That should hit home quite straight. One of the main principles in advertising, true and proven, is that repetition is the most efficient of tactics, bar none. So there. Your advocacy or good will, team spirit and all is great... for going straight to doomdom. Just being enthusiastic, an idiotic cheerleader, doesnt give you any skills, let alone talent, ok? It doesn't matter how enthusiastic anyone is, if you send all the cheerleaders here to the US Open to compete, none will be selected even to serve as ball boys, ok? So what we have here? Devs that have no talent/skills to technically -financially much less, marketing-wise even less- do anything for Vericoin. exhibit A. Exhibit B a graphics designer that can't get any work in the real world, exhibit B. A dev, stooge #1 that believes he's so fucking bright he can easily moderate a Google hang out, exhibit C. A guy somewhere that fancies himself as a radio host that puts up a "show" that even in this nest of delusional, demented cheerleaders gets a top audience of ...4. Exhibit D. Another "leader" that purports to publish Vericoin news that only posts exercises in nothingness that clear nothing and confuse people even more... never providing any news. Exhibit E. Stooges #1 and 2# that even after all these weeks and numerous posts still hadn't learn to reflect, restrain and only open their mouth publicly when they have something informative to communicate and do it so in a manner that resembles some intelligence and a hint of professionalism. Exhibit F... I could go on. Is this the "team" you want to assemble? It is already assembled (and I haven't even mentioned toxic boy). And already firmly on the train to Palookaville, ok? Listen, first attempt at any, ANY solution, when you have problems, the very first step, is to recognize that you have problems. Without that, any progression is impossible because, well, you are convinced you are doing things like gangbusters. Which is the case, amazingly, in spite of the overwhelming evidence. Stooges, all over the place, running amok. |
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@DEVS: The community has been asking for the FORUM button on the wallet to lead to a moderated thread. Is it possible to provide this? Thanks.
We are going to do this so that there can be a non-combative, non-vulgar link in the wallet for the average person. We do intend to keep this thread as well so that there is an unmoderated place to speak freely as well. The thing is we can't convince "Aunt Emma" to use digitalcurrency and then lead her to stumble on massive repetitive and sometimes vulgar fudding at times and is quickly turned off for good. You are trying to con "aunt Emma" to pay to banks abd conventional credit cards , plus other intermediaries more fees than she would pay using her regular credit card. Shameful. You should be ashamed of yourself. Thst's not only grossly vulgar, it is actually fraudulent -since it is not disclosed- and will be illegal too when regulation arrives. It is also quite pathetic. You guys should learn that most often than not when you open your mouth you shoot yourself in the foot and hurt the project but intead keep doing it over and over again. Aunt Emma knows, by the way, even though she doesnt read forums or has a tweeter account. Just like everyone else. |
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Hi barabbas. Not the same without you.
Much funnier on Pay-per-View, but not enough people want to see the show. Even though I accept Vericoin (without card)... go figure... |
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This request for a "moderated forum" is as absurd as the demential cheerleading ... and, peculiarly enough, by the same usual suspects... They have had Veritalk for a long time, fully available. They have reddit. They have the orgiastically cheerleading (and fully censored) IRC channel but, hey, they still want yet another thread. In actuality what they want is a censored place, one more, where no voices of dissension are ever heard. I'd say go for it: It is very, veri easy: Just create the damned thread, moderate is as much as you want and get done with it. I mean you are quite pathetic already but if you want to be even more... Get it through your thick and idiotic skull: No one, but a half dozen altogether, will ever go to those stupid places, ok? You want you coin dead? Just close this thread... or, to be more precise, follow in the footsteps -as in so many thin gs- the Blackcoin example: They have "flourished" indeed, since they opted to close the non moderated thread. But hey, you are dying to commit harakiri anyway so be my guests...
THE VERICARD POOF...
As I had anticipated since the get go, the "secret weapon" (still nothing about the plural announced by Stooge #1), has turned to be a "poof", a queer fart of no relevance whatsoever.
OK, it is following in the tracks of Blackcoin, again and, like BC, condemned to be a huge failure.
Some here have pointed out that it is a step towards mass adoption... No it isn't. Mass adoption, as clearly pointed out in my raw flyer for WVD, passes by presenting any and ALL forms of credit cards, as the bad guys along with the banks. Jane and Joe Sixpacks would be piqued by Vericoin PRECISELY, because it is the OPPOSITE, direct OPPOSITE of banks and credit cards, not an enabler.
I dont give a flying fuck if someone has sold the Stooges on the idea that it will "make it easier" for average people to use crypto currency. Average people will never use crypto currency because it is easy to use -which is not to say it has to be complicated, mind you-, they will use it, paraphrasing Anthony Quinn in Lawrence of Arabia, "because it is their pleasure" and will to do so. Because they want to circumvent the banks and their credit cards, NEVER, EVER, because they want to make them fatter... as well as Coinsis or whatever the name of that intermediary is. The WHOLE purpose, the whole selling point is to eliminate, precisely, those parasites, the intermediaries. Jane and Joe Sixpacks understand VERY CLEARLY, that if they don't use intermediaries they don't have to pay for their offices and the multi millions in salaries their executives get. Both Jane and Joe get that immediately. From their wallet straight to the merchant or the friend or family member they want to gift across the planet. THAT is EASY. This is BULL SHIT. Again. No one will ever use it, no one. Just like no one uses Coinkite or will ever use Moolah. The whole PURPOSE of crypto is absurdly diluted here. The whole thing couldn't be simpler: From my wallet to whoever I want, merchant or partner, direct, immediate and without any (or almost) cost. Period. Nothing more, nothing less. Joe and Jane will GET IT, no question about it. Just like they smell bull shit in ratios of miles, like this "deal" is.
Now, UK doesn't "get it" either when we talk about "mass adoption". He's quite right when he states that mass adoption is a pipe dream. It is. It will continue being, even for BTC, as long as the volatility is so brutal. Makes perfect sense: Businesses, of practically ANY size, but obviously the smaller the less, cannot afford such volatility. So ANY adoption will necessarily pass through the cryptocurrency of choice being converted to fiat IMMEDIATELY. That's not adoption! That's another form of using intermediaries (and paying for them) regardless how you want to call them. So the barrier is not just BTC, the barrier is the PRICE of the coin. And as long as that price is not reasonable stable, no merchant will ever operate in crypto. They may accept it as payment, just like they accept VISA or Amex, but charging for it what those companies charge them (3-3.5% or more). In crypto they will charge whatever they are charged for the immediate conversion to fiat. What are they after -Coinsis and the merchants that accept crypto, along with the dozens of other intermediaries? they just want to tap, as paying customers, the community of dickheads in crypto, those idiots bent on using their coins to buy stuff believing they are opposing the system when, in reality, they are making it fatter, paying even bigger fees to a new horde of centralized intermediaries who, like the established ones, just want to suck them dry.
Mass adoption, passes through, first, MASS AWARENESS. And then, price stabilization. That is coming very soon when people will be able to short BTC (and others, eventually) through derivatives, just like in the rest of the markets. It is coming VERY SOON. Along with regulation. Those coins positioning themselves as the good guys, will survive. Those playing for the bad guys, probably too, I don't know but if their tech continue advancing like until now, they stand a chance to be ahead of the feds. But the good guys will eventually cross over when their gains -and losses- will be no more than 5-10% at a time (cycle), not before.
And guess what? Those surviving -and thriving-, will be the ones that GET IT, not the ones that cater to the credit card lobby.
So the Vericard, pretty much like the rest of the "features" is an exercise in nothingness. Nothing bad but certainly nothing that's any good. Vericoin was much better without it... except that it was, and remains, a helmless ship, totally at the mercy of capricious winds and without path or purpose.
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I see many people, including the DEVs, talking about mass adoption and mainstream. But here goes a challenge to all of you:
Does anyone here have even the slightest idea of what it takes and how to get there?
I see people talking about new features and easiness to use. Some claim that marketing and promotion will do the job, bringing "normal" people as new investors. Others want to see new merchants accepting VRC as a way to bring it to mainstream.
So, why doesn't the community focus on developing the vision of what is required to take VRC to the masses and represent this vision in a single roadmap? Don't we have what it takes?
Long term goals yes that is the plan to elevate this coin above others. For that to happen some fundamentals things must be achieved. - Solid marketing plan to push the brand beyond what it currently is. part of it could start with a video showing the benefits of this coin done in a professional manner. -- Keyword being "solid plan". Exactly what would you consider a "solid plan"? What would the devs? As for the video, I can think of at least 10 coins, all below VRC -or disappeared- that had the video. I am not against it but it does no good whatsoever in and of itself. The "solid plan", specifics.- Public awareness (hence my initial positive response to the global day) * still a great idea but that needs some serious planning execution. -- Again, specifically what is a "serious planning execution", that the people actually carrying it out will not smile? Lets be serious, please. Pun absolutely intended. - Setting realistic goals / milestones with expected time frame. Ie In Q3 we will deliver xxx and we will start to promote it by this date. -- I'll give you a realistic goal: Nothing . The three developers are able to produce absolutely nothing, as clearly demonstrated through the non-events of the last 8 weeks. So exactly what "realistic goals" are you proposing? It's like sending dwarfs to compete in the NBA, what would be a realistic goal?- Realistic roadmaps. Deadlines must be met. Set and manage expectations. -- See above.- More public interaction (yes I know the devs are busy, but setting time for public hang outs is a great tool to keep the information flowing) Twitter updates, social media all help too. -- Oh you want more of those brilliant hang outs, don't you? I'll tell you what, we can start a "solid campaign" to sell them as soporific images guaranteed to put anyone to sleep no matter what circumstances. They could sell a few.. Wow, just wow. And you claim to have anything to do with professional campaigns? Really? Really, really?- Blog with updated content / news * already in progress, however it needs even more push. --See? when you make sense, you make sense... just what the crypto world in general and Vericoin in particular needs: Another kiss-ass blog with a VRC address at the bottom asking for crumbs for the services rendered. You must be some king of genius indeed.
- Community must get involved more. Fine example is the MN fair which the community positively rallied behind should bring some awareness. - Yep. Community must do EVERYTHING since no one else is capable of actually doing anything... other than sell collectible silver coins, that is (what an initiative man, that will do wonders, indeed, for Vericoin). X is doing SOMETHING which in itself is 110% better than anyone else, devs especially included, all on his own and with a few coins donated. He GETS it. Vericoin needs that, improvised as it may be, worldwide. Yes it will bring some awareness... about 0.00001% of what a worldwide event would have brought. Still, no question about it, much, much better than the nothing that everyone else is "doing".- Follow design guidelines: I recently created a brand book which should help a ton. Ie if anyone wants to create a promotion, these are the guidelines to follow, ( brand, colors, typography, do's and don'ts) and you should have a more unified, professional look to anything we publish. Image is everything, we can't publish something that looks cheap and off brand. -- Oh this is the kicker. Yes, we must follow the worst design graphics in crypto, bar none. Sorry Raevon or Amsterdamer whoever is responsible but this is just veri, veri bad. Vericoin's logo is laughable from a designing point of view and about 15 years OLD. No one does anything remotely like that any more. Everyone, on the other hand, has much more aesthetically pleasing designs (Blackcoin being by leaps and bounds the best) and 100% more modern ideas. Have you checked the graphics for Superman vs Batman? That woulkd give you a couple of ideas of just how behind Vericoin is also in that department.- Perception: View above on image. We also need to work as a community. We need to respect each other. Sure there are people who come here and create fud etc, we can do our best to stay civil. However if you are a leader, respected member.. one should act accordingly in a professional manner. We should be open to criticism as long as it is positive and the person offers solution and ideas. -- Yep, that might be a tad unrealistic but it would be nice. How about a leit motiv such as "If you don't bring anything to the table, just don't post". You know, you can always use Facebook to post even pictures of your lunch or how the fuck you are feeling, but here, if you don't have anything specific to say, critical (of the coin, the devs, other posters' ideas or suggestions...) or otherwise, just don't post. The community and the devs would assume that you agree with their leadership if you just say nothing, post nothing. No +s, no Amens, no "Well said" no "to the Moon" and the like... how about that. 98% of the conflict, the personal drivel, would be magically eliminated. How about that? Nobody gives a flying fuck if you don't like me, or whomever, so npo need to waste your time in investigating if I shit daily of three times a week (it depends on the diet, by the way). Stay on topic. If you have any idea at all, articulate it at best you can and post it. If, on the other hand, you have NOTHING at all to bring to the table, shut the fuck up, ok?- Technological advancements - the ultimate one. We need to share ideas, the stuff in progress (Wallet ui, Blockchain 2.0 and other goodies cooking all will give us an edge. tie that to when we can expect them and they must be delivered. -- You mean that ... with new devs, right? because these guys, sorry cant do. Any of it. More importantly: Is it needed? NOPE. Not at all. X, once again, GETS it. You don't.The devs have stated this before too, they created the coin and we must do our part too. If you guys want to share ideas and thoughts on what to improve, let's hear them. There are actually too many ideas already brought in, but if people don't GET it -and, again, neither the devs nor you do- it is like shouting in the desert. So back to square one. The problem is not the community, the community is nothing short of AMAZING. For the real problem, you, and the dev trio, take a good look straight in the mirror.Respectfully. Edit to add: By the way, when you speak of a "video... done in a professional manner", are you perhaps referring to something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl6DizyZgFY (last freeze frame excluded, of course). |
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Isn't it telling that the people "complaining" about "written dissertations" is, precisely, people incapable of writing anything, let alone anything of ANY substance, ever?
There's a very clear and simple (and brief) explanation for that: Those guys can't write and don't like to read either. Sometimes not even the "dissertations" of Nosker -but they perceive those as pumping VRC so they don't mind and applaud them, whether after reading them or not. This is what they think: "Those fuckers should just be pumping VRC so I can sell the coins in which I am down 50% for some profit, or at no loss, to some idiot that would buy my coins".
They don't want to read, let alone understand anything. They just want to con someone into buying their coins for equal or more than they paid for.
So they complain. Because, you know, they can.
I don't write paragraphs of total drivel because it's unnecessary, not because I can't. The last thing I want is VRC to be 'pumped', it's not good for any coin, what we need is real investors, not some pump and dump bullshit. Maybe WVD will help? Hmm, maybe not. I bought most of my coins at the lowest prices, so the price isn't a problem for me. Don't be angry because your time isn't valuable so you spend many hours on here daily writing crap that nobody cares about, as said before, take a rest and chill the fuck out. Also, who's complaining? You seem to be complaining more than anyone. You just dropped quite a turd of raw drivel with no substance whatsoever, as if to prove my point. But since you mention the pump as something bad and not needed, I am going to fully disagree on that and state that pumping brings momentum, momentum brings volume and volume brings investors. But obviously we are not going to agree on this or on anything else, for that matter. Not even on the sea level. Unlike you though, I can contain my 'drivel' with a few sentences. I agree it brings momentum, but the last thing any coin needs is to be pumped just for the sake of being pumped (which is what you were implying), I'd prefer real, long term value. I'll agree on any facts, there's a big difference between facts and your opinions. Except that you don't relate to anything remotely factual. You are a choir boy who convinces himself there's actual value in VeriCoin while there's absolutely none -as in all cryptocurrencies, of course-. The only value that passes for real is whatever the community may be willing to give it at any given moment. That is FACT, for you, although of course, you will dispute it. Oh and yes I have quite a few opinions, based on knowledge, experience and wherewithal. You, on the other hand, have to invent "facts" to justify inclinations. Grow up. |
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Isn't it telling that the people "complaining" about "written dissertations" is, precisely, people incapable of writing anything, let alone anything of ANY substance, ever?
There's a very clear and simple (and brief) explanation for that: Those guys can't write and don't like to read either. Sometimes not even the "dissertations" of Nosker -but they perceive those as pumping VRC so they don't mind and applaud them, whether after reading them or not. This is what they think: "Those fuckers should just be pumping VRC so I can sell the coins in which I am down 50% for some profit, or at no loss, to some idiot that would buy my coins".
They don't want to read, let alone understand anything. They just want to con someone into buying their coins for equal or more than they paid for.
So they complain. Because, you know, they can.
I don't write paragraphs of total drivel because it's unnecessary, not because I can't. The last thing I want is VRC to be 'pumped', it's not good for any coin, what we need is real investors, not some pump and dump bullshit. Maybe WVD will help? Hmm, maybe not. I bought most of my coins at the lowest prices, so the price isn't a problem for me. Don't be angry because your time isn't valuable so you spend many hours on here daily writing crap that nobody cares about, as said before, take a rest and chill the fuck out. Also, who's complaining? You seem to be complaining more than anyone. You just dropped quite a turd of raw drivel with no substance whatsoever, as if to prove my point. But since you mention the pump as something bad and not needed, I am going to fully disagree on that and state that pumping brings momentum, momentum brings volume and volume brings investors. But obviously we are not going to agree on this or on anything else, for that matter. Not even on the sea level. |
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if you leave out the MP hack followed by the rollback, VRC is still one of the best coins out there.
I mean our community is really big and on top active. There many people constantly submitting new ideas. Beside DRK I don't know any coin community which is so active. Even Litecoin is quiet compared to VRC.
We will see. The potential is still big, but it will take a lot of patience to get big.
I'm down 75% - not wise enough to put stop loss.. but IMHO, this lower price makes it easier to convince new investors to buy in..and I have not lost faith price will rebound.. been in bitcoin for 2 years and have tried to convince friends and families and acquaintances but they still find it hard to use, and they still don't have the patience to learn it. I agree with the devs' goal to have this mass adopted and used first..and it is important not to lose sight of that. Instead of bitching here which some do, i respectfully would suggest that you sell your vericoins and trade other cartel pump and dump coins.. you might achieve more happiness EDIT: i put in 32 btc all in all and its down to 75% now So you have now what's worth 8 BTC or you have what's worth 24 BTC? Either way yoshi, common sense, a very, very elemental one, would dictate that you are not equipped to give advice to anyone... on anything? I bet those friends and family would pay much more attention to what you say and make much bigger efforts is instead of losing 75% of what you put in, you would have doubled your initial investment a couple times. Makes sense, doesn't it? you are correct on the 2nd part, i did not plan for the coin to be hacked and allowed myself to love a coin which i should not do. what you are not aware of is that i bought $5000 bitcoin when it was $50-$70, sold half at the peak. i guess that earns me a bit of credibility. vericoin, like bitcoin has gone thru a lot of ups and down on the way to where it is now Then you are doing great and shouldn't even be concerned with anything that happens here. By my rough estimation you have $30,000 -of which $25,000 is pure profit- locked away and the rest invested in VRC, still 8 BTC left. And all is gravy. That's not most people situation. I don't know but if I were you, considering the recent drop in BTC, I would have reinvested quite a bit of those $25k pure profit, either to trade them for a huge very quick profit in BTC or to buy a shitload of VRC if, as you apparently do, still believe in it. It seems to me you could have made a hell of an average down and actually propell the price upside quite a bit all on your own while doing so... |
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Isn't it telling that the people "complaining" about "written dissertations" is, precisely, people incapable of writing anything, let alone anything of ANY substance, ever?
There's a very clear and simple (and brief) explanation for that: Those guys can't write and don't like to read either. Sometimes not even the "dissertations" of Nosker -but they perceive those as pumping VRC so they don't mind and applaud them, whether after reading them or not. This is what they think: "Those fuckers should just be pumping VRC so I can sell the coins in which I am down 50% for some profit, or at no loss, to some idiot that would buy my coins".
They don't want to read, let alone understand anything. They just want to con someone into buying their coins for equal or more than they paid for.
So they complain. Because, you know, they can.
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