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2301  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 28, 2014, 02:45:59 AM
To be a worker (for me) Uber-Dev4 will have to make his idenity known to the VeriCoin community PRIOR to the Deal being finalized

Because we are in such a power position, right? Perhaps you should think a bit about who needs who in this situation?

Just a thought...
2302  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 27, 2014, 08:35:25 PM
Going into detail with 'dev4' on the technical aspects, it's very intriguing and potentially very VeriExciting stuff.  Discussions ongoing...

If you bring him or a new developer there will be full disclosure of who he is?? He will not be the wizard of Oz??

He would make an announcement himself about his working relationship with us.

Veri Nice...please keep us posted!

See Doug? This is the EXACT type of "communication" that is NOT needed and is counter productive. As a matter of fact, it's pure gossip.

Nobody cares how interesting you think it can be. Nobody cares who you have talked to. Nobody SHOULD care, that is... You are discussing a possible working relationship of whose principles we, stakeholders, are fully aware already, even in details, there's only ONE THING to communicate, when and if done: The hiring -or not- of Dev4 and his ALREADY enacted -or started to enact- contributions. THAT'S IT. The rest is just unnecessary fluff.
2303  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 27, 2014, 06:02:44 AM
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Scott, we both know you are not the sharpest knife it the kitchen but even having the passing thought that anything that I write here -excluding the WVD proposal, that wasn't just one post but a proposed huge action- has even the slightest effect in the price of Vericoin, is, how would I say it? what ribbons should I put to such aberration to keep the appearance of civility? Insane? Nope, perhaps that word, albeit  quite correct, would result offensive and I am aiming for polite and civil here... oh, I got it: Misguided. See how delicate I can be... even when faced with one of the stupidest scenarios any totally deranged individual can concoct?

Sorry, Barabbas, I'm not that easily trolled. Smiley

The thing that I find rather fascinating with your antics is that you truly don't seem to realize how you alienate the very people whom you're trying to "educate". If you could express your views without being so self-righteous and obnoxious and could provide criticism without being rude and condescending, you'd have the support of so many people (and likely the ears of a lot of developers who have shrugged you off). Yet you blow it almost every time and are left with just a dwindling handful of supporters along with a few others who actually use you for their own agendas.

I know that you don't agree with others when they point out that you're being rude and condescending; you've pointed that out numerous times. To you, it's just a case of you pointing out facts; how hard can that be for people to understand, right? I get that. Minus the arrogance, your online persona could be the twin brother of someone I know personally, so I have a pretty good understanding of why most people don't get you.

I get you, tho. Smiley

Wow Scott, you really impressed me this time. How can you possibly know? You must have watched "60 Minutes"... what insight... I feel naked now.

You, indeed, get me. Every time...
2304  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 26, 2014, 10:36:02 PM
@Patrick Nosker:

Once again, I implore you to get off these boards. Get off Twitter. And Reddit. And IRC. As a matter of fact, get a medium-sized hammer and smash all your phones. Use only -and as sparingly as you possibly can- hard line phones. Please.

Every single time that you open your mouth, every single one, bar none, what comes out is inappropriate, unnecessary, arrogant, utterly stupid and detrimental to the price and progress of Vericoin. EVERY SINGLE FUCKING  TIME. Enough! Stop it! You are 100 times more toxic to VRC than your pal socal is.

You want proof? Just track the price's behavior after you make "an appearance"... sHEEEESH!!!

The Bizarre Spectacle that is Barabbas.

Barabbas, it seems to me that almost every time pnosker makes an appearance, you come out of the wood-work not much later and post a rant full of adolescent rage, self righteous indignation, or some other ridiculous behavior. Has it ever occurred to you that the price behavior that you mention above could be related to... YOU?

Scott, we both know you are not the sharpest knife it the kitchen but even having the passing thought that anything that I write here -excluding the WVD proposal, that wasn't just one post but a proposed huge action- has even the slightest effect in the price of Vericoin, is, how would I say it? what ribbons should I put to such aberration to keep the appearance of civility? Insane? Nope, perhaps that word, albeit  quite correct, would result offensive and I am aiming for polite and civil here... oh, I got it: Misguided. See how delicate I can be... even when faced with one of the stupidest scenarios any totally deranged individual can concoct?
2305  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 26, 2014, 10:29:05 PM
This has become too much fun to just watch. The stooges and the cheerleaders. You cannot put a price on it.

A microcosm that shows why, in spite of the internet, this is by far the age of less achievement in history on... well, on anything.

We have morons in the house, plenty of them.
2306  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 26, 2014, 08:55:30 PM
hiring someone to pump a coin is the stupidest think ive ever fucking seen.

1DOGE=1DOGE

If the devs are actually considering someone to pump the coin that implies in my mind that they are looking for an exit. If they keep developing and making the coin better we will see 100k sats no problem. Good news makes whales wanna pump, so just keep doin what ur doin VRC devs. Dont worry what the price is, its out of your hands.

That phrase is absolutely correct. The rest of the post is total, 100% stupidity.
2307  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 26, 2014, 08:49:40 PM
@Patrick Nosker:

Once again, I implore you to get off these boards. Get off Twitter. And Reddit. And IRC. As a matter of fact, get a medium-sized hammer and smash all your phones. Use only -and as sparingly as you possibly can- hard line phones. Please.

Every single time that you open your mouth, every single one, bar none, what comes out is inappropriate, unnecessary, arrogant, utterly stupid and detrimental to the price and progress of Vericoin. EVERY SINGLE FUCKING  TIME. Enough! Stop it! You are 100 times more toxic to VRC than your pal socal is.

You want proof? Just track the price's behavior after you make "an appearance"... sHEEEESH!!!
2308  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 26, 2014, 08:41:55 PM
ur right its a hell of a deal for the spectacular dev.4 ... pay 41 BTC or 20,000 USD (500k @ current market price) to make 459 BTC/ 250,000 USD ( 500k @ 100k sat.) get coins and push price a little more to say 150k then dump all over market.


i dont know a single PnD group that wouldnt take that offer...


instead of letting him go all dr evil putting his pinkie up and demanding an insane amount of coins... if dev 4 wants 500k coins make him buy them from open market... then he would really have to care about the coin and implementing his code and then he wins all the same...


also why didnt dev 4 come out and state this offer himself...?

sounds to me like drkman is pushing this juggernaut so hard b/c perhaps he might get a cut for hyping this dev up...

You sir, are a total, 100% unadulterated idiot. Sorry to be this blunt, but reality is what it is.

Hey Barabbas, just curious, how does name calling and temper tantrums work in normal life for you...when you're not an anonymous person on the web?  Do you get beat up a lot?  You remind me of Worm from Rounders. You need to chill.  Patrick is looking into it. 

It's not as simple as insert code, collect money.  I'm a programmer and I know that the code has to be vetted before being integrated into the codebase.  Crazy as this sounds, but what if the dev is trying to pull a fast one and puts in back doors or malicious code?

From the business side, you still have to make sure the new dev is a good fit for now and going forward.  Once his code is integrated, he'll know it best and we'll want to make sure he'll continue contributing and be available for maintenance etc.  These guys are in it for the long haul, not just a quick pump and dump.

Please, just relax.  Pretend your a real person talking with other people in a bar and not just lobbing grenades from a bunker.

You look to me like the towns idiot, but that's just a personal perception only brought here as a preamble because you feel so compelled to make those so you would understand, I'm quite sure, that people would respond to you in kind.

We have "chilled" so much tyhat after 5 full weeks of absolutely NOTHING, we are frozen on the train to Palookaville. There's no "looking into it". The offer can and should have been already taken off the table since our devs are so utterly stupid that they hadn't supported it enthusiastically (does that theme begin to sound familiar?). Yes you can put  all kinds of ribbons around it but stupid is as stu[pid does or doesn't do, somewhat paraphrasing dear old Forrest Gump.

And no, you don't have to do anything, anything at all. That's all bullshit. Raw, smoking turds, in fact. It DOESN'T MATTER that Dev 4 fits or not (in what? there's no strategy of any kind?). And there's definitely no "going forward" at all. This is IT.

And the best offer -again, after another one was put on the table 2 weeks ago- this coin will ever have, can be taken off the table, should in fact be taken of the table, any second. That's why there's no time -or need- to take time, talking, seeing... none of that shit.

Except that, as I pointed out, there's ARROGANCE, stupid, baseless kind, and monumental EGOS. Which have been the undoing of Vericoin and will be to the end.
2309  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 26, 2014, 08:21:35 PM
ur right its a hell of a deal for the spectacular dev.4 ... pay 41 BTC or 20,000 USD (500k @ current market price) to make 459 BTC/ 250,000 USD ( 500k @ 100k sat.) get coins and push price a little more to say 150k then dump all over market.


i dont know a single PnD group that wouldnt take that offer...


instead of letting him go all dr evil putting his pinkie up and demanding an insane amount of coins... if dev 4 wants 500k coins make him buy them from open market... then he would really have to care about the coin and implementing his code and then he wins all the same...


also why didnt dev 4 come out and state this offer himself...?

sounds to me like drkman is pushing this juggernaut so hard b/c perhaps he might get a cut for hyping this dev up...

You sir, are a total, 100% unadulterated idiot. Sorry to be this blunt, but reality is what it is.
2310  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 26, 2014, 08:18:05 PM
Patrick, just edited my post for content. As for USELESS, your ARROGANT, STUPID, USELESS attitude is what has brought Vericoin to its knees, nothing else, beyond your already admitted inability of doing absolutely anything. That second part goes for the other two stooges too.

Did I say that you are, have been and will be totally USELESS to Vericoin? Just in case I did not...
2311  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 26, 2014, 08:12:12 PM
Drkman, I understand your frustration only too well. And, before any other consideration and even though you are trying to do this for your own benefit, since it would benefit us all, I want to thank you for trying and trying really hard.

But perhaps it will give you some solace to know why this has not been done already. It's just an ego thing. Just that. Dev4, if he's to come on board, is going to make the current trio of devs looking very, very bad. Even if he's only partially successful -I'd say even before he actually does anything at all-, the coin will probably triple in value overnight from these absolutely depressed levels. Now, put yourself in  the shoes of the three stooges: They don't need the money. For them the current $15k they have in VRC has the same effect than 4 or more times that much: Not a significant change in their lives at all. And, from their standpoint, VRC is still a success... heck they created it and it is worth, even at these levels, over 1 million dollars. Now someone is going to come and overnight expose in a manner that doesn't admit discussion, their absolute mediocrity and take all the thunder? Fuck that. What will they get, that their stake will be worth maybe $60k instead of $15k? Again, fuck that. They would have PAID much more themselves for being where they are now.

Just arrogance. Ego. That's why they need "vias of communication", "solid plans" and all the rest of the bullshit they spew. They lie, blatantly, when they say Vericoin is a community project; it is THEIR project and they are not going to relinquish that condition, under no circumstances, to the veri end.

Once again thank you for really, really trying. Hope this helps with the frustration while understanding what you are dealing with here.



There's no ego thing going on here... just swamped with various things to do/busy. I have contacted this developer so let's see where it goes. We are more than happy to welcome someone who can help VeriCoin succeed, especially if the code is already built and tested on another platform and could instantly propel VeriCoin to the top in terms of features and use cases. I'm not sure if you realize this or not, but we're tackling a lot right now and get hundreds of emails a day for support, suggestions, complaints, etc. and it's easy for things to take a few days to filter and reply.

It's called prioritizing Patrick. Very, very simple. There are things that can wait and they go to the bottom of the pile and there are things that are urgent and matters are resolved and implemented in MINUTES, ok? The way this has been worded, by you, so there's no reason to believe it is not true, this guy is offering you the deal of the century. And, us, investors. There's no second thoughts about it. There's telling the community we have 100k between Drkman and me, the other devs are going to pony up another 100k and we still need 300k to deposit in escrow. End of the story. As soon as the figure is reached, the guy implements and end of story. What the heck has anything else to do to hold this for further conversations? If it is shit what he has, the money is returned to the donors and end of it. We haven't lost anything. There are no discussions, no thinking about it, no shit of any kind.

As for this Arsene Lupin, laughable, simply laughable. I take you Patrick know who he is... is he doing anything other than investing in VRC? You do know that you guys have to enact FULL DISCLOSURE, right? In any event, whatever it is Lupin represents, it is BAD NEWS, the WORSE kind of news possible for Vericoin.

If you'd like to be my secretary, just let me know.

Would you mind to answer the freaking questions? Again with the stupid arrogance...

But I will be your executive virtual secretary for a decisive moment: Everything, all email, calls, notes, everything has just disappeared. I shredded it. EVERYTHING. The only thing on the table, the only thing that needs solving and solving within minutes, is Dev4 offer.

GET ON WITH IT. Have it set, solved, seal, signed, delivered within the hour! You have 45 long minutes still. The clock is ticking and there's absolutely NOTHING ELSE that keeps you even distracted. And you have lost your phone too, so no calls, no texts. Just Dev4. Go!
2312  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 26, 2014, 08:11:08 PM

  Cannot believe ppl actually agree with this drkman that its a good idea to just hand over a million coins to someone they dont even know just to pump price.

Me and my team have no problem with the addition of a new developer but if a deal is made that pays him anywhere close to 500k to 1million coins we walk away... for good.




i agree .. a proper price has to be negotiated... pnosker just said he wants to contact him and discuss yet ppl still are on his ass... i can imagine the 100s of emails these guys must get ... another dev is a good idea if he has what u say he has to offer..but 500-1mill vrc is robbery, if he's so sure of himself why not settle for a more reasonable price and invest a little at this bottom...if he delivers what u say he can hell make tons of btc...

also arsene lupin... what does you and your team do for vrc? never heard of you guys, obviously your investors but threatening to walk away like u and your team are valuable without even knowing you or seeing you post anything ever, gets me all curious...

 

You should first learn to read man, it's getting ridiculous. @What Patrick just posted that he is offering, is to work entirely FOR FREE, simply reserving the right to buy, at current prices, 500,000 vrc. If and when VRC reaches 0.00100000. Do you get it now? Your stash has to be worth over 12 times current value for him to be able to buy those 500,000 VRC donated at 8200 sat each. No one, but no one will offer such a deal, even if he doesn't have anything to bring in. He will made all of us a ton, literally a ton of money before he can benefit by even a single penny. And when he does, he will give you back what you donated -the cost of your coins, not the coins themselves, of course-, so he will have made you a ton of money  at no cost whatsoever to donors. Or he gets nothing. For instance, if the coin never reaches 0.00100k but reaches 0.00090k, he gets absolutely NOTHING. Either way, this is simply ridiculously, absurdly one sided IN OUR FAVOR. And we are wasting time and not jumping on it immediately, as of two days ago?Huh? What are we nuts?Huh!!!!!
2313  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 26, 2014, 08:02:16 PM
Drkman, I understand your frustration only too well. And, before any other consideration and even though you are trying to do this for your own benefit, since it would benefit us all, I want to thank you for trying and trying really hard.

But perhaps it will give you some solace to know why this has not been done already. It's just an ego thing. Just that. Dev4, if he's to come on board, is going to make the current trio of devs looking very, very bad. Even if he's only partially successful -I'd say even before he actually does anything at all-, the coin will probably triple in value overnight from these absolutely depressed levels. Now, put yourself in  the shoes of the three stooges: They don't need the money. For them the current $15k they have in VRC has the same effect than 4 or more times that much: Not a significant change in their lives at all. And, from their standpoint, VRC is still a success... heck they created it and it is worth, even at these levels, over 1 million dollars. Now someone is going to come and overnight expose in a manner that doesn't admit discussion, their absolute mediocrity and take all the thunder? Fuck that. What will they get, that their stake will be worth maybe $60k instead of $15k? Again, fuck that. They would have PAID much more themselves for being where they are now.

Just arrogance. Ego. That's why they need "vias of communication", "solid plans" and all the rest of the bullshit they spew. They lie, blatantly, when they say Vericoin is a community project; it is THEIR project and they are not going to relinquish that condition, under no circumstances, to the veri end.

Once again thank you for really, really trying. Hope this helps with the frustration while understanding what you are dealing with here.



There's no ego thing going on here... just swamped with various things to do/busy. I have contacted this developer so let's see where it goes. We are more than happy to welcome someone who can help VeriCoin succeed, especially if the code is already built and tested on another platform and could instantly propel VeriCoin to the top in terms of features and use cases. I'm not sure if you realize this or not, but we're tackling a lot right now and get hundreds of emails a day for support, suggestions, complaints, etc. and it's easy for things to take a few days to filter and reply.

It's called prioritizing Patrick. Very, very simple. There are things that can wait and they go to the bottom of the pile and there are things that are urgent and matters are resolved and implemented in MINUTES, ok? The way this has been worded, by you, so there's no reason to believe it is not true, this guy is offering you the deal of the century. And, us, investors. There's no second thoughts about it. There's telling the community we have 100k between Drkman and me, the other devs are going to pony up another 100k and we still need 300k to deposit in escrow. End of the story. As soon as the figure is reached, the guy implements and end of story. What the heck has anything else to do to hold this for further conversations? If it is shit what he has, the money is returned to the donors and end of it. We haven't lost anything. There are no discussions, no thinking about it, no shit of any kind.

As for this Arsene Lupin, laughable, simply laughable. I take you Patrick know who he is... is he doing anything other than investing in VRC? You do know that you guys have to enact FULL DISCLOSURE, right? In any event, whatever it is Lupin represents, it is BAD NEWS, the WORSE kind of news possible for Vericoin.
2314  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 26, 2014, 07:21:54 PM

There are reasons why the market price is what it is. REAL reasons.

One of the reasons must be the lack of work from the vericoin devs. No real work has been delivering for long. CLOAK is the best example that the hard or even little work pay off. It was just a rather simple CLOAK white paper released and the market response is very positive. I am happy for that and I could sell the CLOAK at 40k which I bought at 22k, but why there is no such work from the vericoin devs? Are they just incapable to deliver, not enough time for work or are they just lazy? It would be nice to see vercioin progress as other coins do and the easiest way to achieve that via working on the software.

So your comparing a white paper to solid development releases?

Edit - last time I checked Cloak was dumped with every other coin over the last 2 weeks, was down %80. Just sounds like you want to day trade, I guess we are looking for two different things here. I'm looking for a longterm profit in Vericoin, not a quick flip for profit. I'm looking for the next Bitcoin!
Not every coin.  The coin that Dev4 runs is up 300% alone since I first proposed his addition to this community and up over 1,000% since he joined that coin, but I was attacked or laughed at when I told the community how to land the best Dev in all of crypto.  He could do the same for our coin and our Devs have known about him for weeks now and have not even tried to contact him once.  I guess that's my answer.
Show some proof
Ask your Devs!!  Sick and tired of hand holding idiots.

Dev4 doesn't want his identity know...so how do we do that?
INCORRECT.  I have been clear on this from the beginning.  "Dev4 did not want his name mentioned unless it is "official""  That means Official from the Vericoin Devs!  That Means The Vericoin Devs have secured the option funds for him and vouched for the funds by them.  The Vericoin devs need to take the initiative here.

I told DEV4 that the delay was because one of the devs was on vacation and they would discuss it on Sunday the 17th when Doug came back.......but over a week goes by after that Sunday and still no answer from the Vericoin devs, or even an attempt to reach out to Dev4?   Kind of an insult to him.  Especially when we need his help, and tremendous talents........not the other way around.  

Anybody know what wifey material means......that's him.

Drkman, I understand your frustration only too well. And, before any other consideration and even though you are trying to do this for your own benefit, since it would benefit us all, I want to thank you for trying and trying really hard.

But perhaps it will give you some solace to know why this has not been done already. It's just an ego thing. Just that. Dev4, if he's to come on board, is going to make the current trio of devs looking very, very bad. Even if he's only partially successful -I'd say even before he actually does anything at all-, the coin will probably triple in value overnight from these absolutely depressed levels. Now, put yourself in  the shoes of the three stooges: They don't need the money. For them the current $15k they have in VRC has the same effect than 4 or more times that much: Not a significant change in their lives at all. And, from their standpoint, VRC is still a success... heck they created it and it is worth, even at these levels, over 1 million dollars. Now someone is going to come and overnight expose in a manner that doesn't admit discussion, their absolute mediocrity and take all the thunder? Fuck that. What will they get, that their stake will be worth maybe $60k instead of $15k? Again, fuck that. They would have PAID much more themselves for being where they are now.

Just arrogance. Ego. That's why they need "vias of communication", "solid plans" and all the rest of the bullshit they spew. They lie, blatantly, when they say Vericoin is a community project; it is THEIR project and they are not going to relinquish that condition, under no circumstances, to the veri end.

Once again thank you for really, really trying. Hope this helps with the frustration while understanding what you are dealing with here.

2315  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 26, 2014, 07:48:04 AM

Quick question for you...when do you think Crypto Currency will become mainstream?

He answered your questions perfectly...let me clarify it for you!

1. No bailouts...as in no big banks being bailed out for breaking the law, No Hyper-inflation...20% decrease in buying power a year with USD, No Fees or Much less and No Conterfeiting...as in fraud.

So you prefer 80% decrease in buying power a month?? Please explain because I can´t believe you´re so retarded

USD has been decreasing for over +50 years...this currency has only been around for 3.5 months my friend, I'm not worried! This market is volatile, bitcoin is a prime example of what can happen.

Your $100 USD dollars today would be worth $10 in 1950

Now this is A VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM, here, when people as smart as a hammer pretend to offer "lessons".

No, the US dollar hasn't been "decreasing for over +50 (sic) years..." the US dollar's VALUE has been decreasing for over 120 years. In my raw paper I briefly (and accurately), I explained this in layman's terms with three separate period/examples. Still, this idiot manages to confuse the issue enough to make it meaningless.

And then, the kicker: "Your US 100 dollars today would be worth $10 in 1950" which not only is an illiterate way to write but also confuses even more the subject not only because what's written is absurd but because, even when ordered grammatically in a correct manner (as in "$10 in 1950 would have bought what today costs $100"), it is a fallacy. Not true at all. The internet is full of detailed research into the matter and no, in the last 65 years the dollars has NOT lost 90% of it's value as this individual implies, not even close to that.

Therefore, an argument otherwise significant and valid -again, as posted in the WVD pamphlet-, gets idiotically diluted when presented in such clumsy and lying manner.
2316  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 26, 2014, 07:03:51 AM
Like I have said before a million times. I have been saying the same things for months, to no avail.

Thankfully, Buy4Crypto -now- GETS it. Better late then never.
see the positive response he got? you should take example from how he worded himself..

The devs needed a few more punches to be almost KO. They got them, hence the response.

Meaningless, you'll see.


it was a great post , summed it all up pretty nicely and had good input, hope it wasn't meaningless...

The post wasn't. The repercussions will be.
2317  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 26, 2014, 05:07:41 AM
Like I have said before a million times. I have been saying the same things for months, to no avail.

Thankfully, Buy4Crypto -now- GETS it. Better late then never.
see the positive response he got? you should take example from how he worded himself..

The devs needed a few more punches to be almost KO. They got them, hence the response.

Meaningless, you'll see.

2318  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][PES] Pesa - Anonymous Coin - No Premine - Dynamic Interest - PoStr on: August 26, 2014, 04:18:39 AM
Really, you are angry? You all deserve this. ALL. No exceptions. You werd told. Moons ago.

You deserved it.

Please let us die in peace.

You are already dead. RIP.
2319  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Revamped PinkCoin (PC / PINK) PoS | Multipool | Fundraiser | Anonymous on: August 26, 2014, 04:14:13 AM
PwP is still a thing in motions. But due to community interest we have switched focus to the Poker platform. Which for the last few days actually got put aside to create the Twitter Bot exchange. Good old Scope creep on multiple projects Smiley

It is all starting to tie together on its own as we delve deeper into everything. So having the ability to buy Pinkcoin with Fiat is definitely in our sights.

Perhaps someone should clarify what that means, because simply put as it is in that sentence, doesn't reflect the alternatives (only one, really) to achieve this: In what refers to the USA -and many other countries- the ONLY way to do it, without spending a lot of money, is through an intermediary, such as Moolah (there are many others). This is very easy to accomplish and in the wallet it is simply a link to Moolah's site. That's it. But, clearly it is NOT what people want, i.e.: direct conversion from fiat to PINK without the added fees collected by the intermediary of choice.

THAT can only be achieved, legally -and legality is a requirement, not an option-, by depositing a very large amount of money to get the licenses needed in the US and in other countries. In other words: It is NOT doable.

Fair enough. Let me translate.

"...having the ability to buy Pinkcoin with Fiat is definitely in our sights."

Translation:

"We're looking into the possibility of offering Pinkcoin for fiat."

How? Easy. With all the fud plaguing Crypto, we plan on 'looking into it' by discussing the idea in detail with a lawyer.



I just saved you the hassle. It is a requirement of the US government. Big Vern -who has ponied up the dough already- can give you as many details as you want.

This is something of very doubtful utility that doesn't require further action since it would be a waste of time/effort. So I'd recommend to get moving on what is achievable and forget impenetrable walls.

With the US laws, it may be easier to get a exchange to list this as a FIAT/USD. This exchange is very easy to build but the problem I have is that I am double screwed being in the US and also NY.

I did have a way to do this setup but would still require someone to sign up with an account and wait a few days to process a bank transfer as buying with credit/debt and charge backs make this really ugly.

NY will be quickly -or not so quickly but definitely in the end- followed by most if not all States (and Nations outside the US). Regulation, full fledged, is definitely coming. PINK should WELCOME it and advocate for it to arrive sooner better. And achieve doable things.

I disagree. NY fails to believe in innovation. The government is heavily influenced by the major financial sectors here and therefore limiting it and "protecting" people. States like California who are accepting it and adopting it will thrive and the same thing that happened to NY with businesses in general that moved due to the regulation and paper work to operate here. They will be begging for crypto companies to come back in the future.

We are bound to disagree, you and me. In most things. But in this case it isn't a matter of agreement or opinion, it is a matter of facts. Markets are coming to crypto, are already in progress and they will trade in New York, the center of the financial universe, of course. Regulation is also coming, full, international regulation -although USA will be probably first-, simultaneously or, probably, earlier. The handsome twins have already announced their ETF. There are other platforms with lots of money already invested, that will allow trading in derivatives.. Regulation will be at the federal level and, like I said, internationally also. Stability is also coming along with widespread (relatively speaking) adoption, as a consequence. The coins that play by the rules, will potentially survive and the ones that don'y.... well they'll try to survive in the dark side ... of the law. I believe PINK belongs with the lawful side all the way, I'm betting on it, in fact. In any case, in less than a year we all have the environment much, much clearer.

And crypto, of course, will be mainly based and traded in New York, the financial capital of the world. For that, it will have to be something much more solid than a simple anecdote. And by then it will indeed be.
2320  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 26, 2014, 04:00:44 AM
Like I have said before a million times. I have been saying the same things for months, to no avail.

Thankfully, Buy4Crypto -now- GETS it. Better late then never.
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