Really, you are angry? You all deserve this. ALL. No exceptions. You werd told. Moons ago.

You deserved it.

It doesn't "seem", it indeed IS. And no, "everyone" did not think that it couldn't happen on the 30th, YOU did. And Mr solid plan. Your perception of "entire community" is quite loose, also.  And yes it is quite frustrating because instead of being hitting new lows, we would be above 3 million capitalization at this point and with THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY rallying enthusiastically behind WVD in 5 days with constant photo/video updates of progress and ideas taking place in the 'round 20 biggest cities of the world.

Instead, we have quite a grim reality, don't you think?

But hey, it was going to be a "failure", right? And we need to avoid those... OK, enough. No need to dwell and it will necessarily produce non-civil  outcomes.

Sorry Doug but no, you do not get it. That's why this approach, although I appreciate it, is futile. The Windows wallet still doesn't work properly so what is the  point in denying it? I don't understand. The multi-pool is a mess --- and not even counting the "efficiency" of that algo that determines when to buy at the best price. These are basic things for many people heavily invested in Vericoin. They may not be vocal, but their actions speak louder than any words. Once again, no solution is possible, even to this simple but very important problems, without previous acknowledgement that the problems DO exist.

I understand they are your children, and we all know how we are about our children, ok? But neither Veribit nor Verisms serve any practical purpose. You insist in not acknowledging it but everyone knows it and has already reacted to it. Verisms, if offered, has to be at a level of usefulness that is very far from current usability. Just copy boxxa and get done with it. At least would be a bit more usable for the dozen, altogether, people that they will use it worldwide. We can talk and be civil about this for hours, days, weeks or months and reality will not change the facts. Hopefully it will change your absurd defense of the utopy that they represent.

And, clearly, state that we are not aiming in any near or even mid term, to either aunt Emma or Joe Sixpack. We are aiming at the active population worldwide:18-50. Computer savvy, learned and active. With finances to protect and further. Which have reasons, everyday reasons, to hate banks and credit cards. We are not going to give them any more plastic, any more intermediaries... if we give them a card (and we should have done this so many weeks ago already) it will have a VRC wallet in it and they will pay no fees, OK?

Finally, when I say ENGAGE the community and LISTEN to it. I am not talking listening to the cheerleaders without any knowledge or experience. That's the opposite of positive. You have a "community marketing team"... who is in it? a designer that cannot get a job designing, a coinmaker that knows nothing or anything, a guy with experience in marketing -maybe- whose ideas are suited for corporations and products that have nothing to do with the dynamism and immediacy of the crypto world, the one that requires a "solid plan". What is a "solid plan" in his mind, have you asked? There's no "solid plan" that doesn't require LOADS of money to carry out. Do we have it? No Then, the whole idea of the "solid plan" is yet another pipe dream. Should the lack of this utopic "solid plan" put an end to carry out a non-solid plan based on immediate resources available? Well you, specifically, did.

Anyway, like I have posted so many times, it is running in circles. Unfortunately.

I know you mean well, you are just not willing to admit that your children are neither the most beautiful nor the most talented of the school. Which is human, albeit shortsighted. And, letting the metaphor aside, quite damaging for Vericoin.

I have posted it so many times it is beyond repetitive at this point, but once more, since you ask nicely, here it goes:

1.- Clearly state the aim, the goal... AND STICK TO IT and ONLY to it. If you state that goal is "worldwide mass adoption", stick to that. And by stick to it I mean you cannot be bothered with absurdities and niche features such as anon, decentralized exchanges and whatever else the coin of the week is peddling.

2.- Get whatever you determine you need, WORKING. NOW. No excuses. No ifs, no buts. Wallets. Do it or get it done. Yesterday. Multi-pool, likewise.

3.- Once 1 and 2 are set, ENGAGE enthusiastically the community in the vision, the project and ask for help -AND LISTEN TO IT- to move it forward.

Simple 3 steps, aren't they. And a world of difference nevertheless.

Now, there are bondages in setting a "simple" goal. You cannot set a lofty goal such a "worldwide mass adoption" and pretend to achieve any significant level of that adoption while the entire crypto is in volatile turmoil, let alone your coin. You start with the baby steps of awareness, of course. And for that you have to have a website where the key questions are responded in completely different ways, understandable ones, layman's terms; likewise, no matter what anyone else does and how they achieve 5000% in price overnight, you stick to the plan, through thick and thin. The leit motive should be "what you  see is what you get": Community, honesty, transparency. We are the good guys. Take it or leave. If you are looking for technical innovation, next door on the left; anonymity, end of the corridor, on the right, not here. We want people to USE crypto, to invest in CLEAN crypto, to support HONEST, TRANSPARENT and LEGAL (when it happens) crypto. We cannot guarantee you will not lose money nor we can guarantee that you will make lots of it, but we DO guarantee HONESTY, TRANSPARENCY and, when available, COMPLIANCE WITH LAWS.

I am firmly convinced both the community and newcomers will respond to such simple and committed plan.

I hope I have answered your petition.

I have posted that so many times already that just saying I agree 100% is completely unnecessary. And every one of them, just like this one, resulted in an exercise in futility.

I kind of disagree with your recommendation regarding the Minnesota Fair for I believe X has already enough support to be able to extract from that event probably the max that can be extracted which is nothing more than spreading the awareness. Now, considering the dire situation in which Vericoin finds itself, even the awareness could easily be counter-productive for anyone from the real world coming in and watching the charts and the opinions of people with evident common sense, would be more hesitant than anything else, once they become aware of the lack of aim and real resources that afflict this project. More resources for such local event, in my opinion, are unwarranted since the community has already sent -and continues sending- what I consider enough support. Once again, kudos and thanks to X for the effort but if we try to sell a product that is far from marketable, expecting success is simply not being realistic.

There are reasons why the market price is what it is. REAL reasons.

And no one more than me has or will ever praise them FOR THAT and for setting, with it, a new standard for digital currencies.

Why else do you think I am invested in this train wreck?

Thank you Doug for your concern, but I am ALWAYS quite aware of what I say and its potential repercussions... something that I cannot stress enough you should do one hundred of times more than you currently do, so please, do some introspection, which is direly needed, rather than advise someone like me that, by age and experience alone, is worlds away from you, ok?

If you consider posting that you speak too much and post way too much without saying anything of substance and, consequently, it is counter-active for the project of Vericoin, is an insult, then I am insulting you. If you consider that calling the three of you "stooges", because like the real ones, you go around aimless like a hen with the head cut out, is an insult, then I am insulting you. But most people with basic common sense, would consider both instances as a way over deserved reprimand and a clear indication that you should focus, work -and not talk- and set clear, specific goals with some semblance of capability to be achieved.

Since I have used the conditional a couple of times, I would very strongly suggest to you to read the Kipling poem and reflect a bit on it. It could actually do you -and Patrick- some good, in this and future endeavors.

But you would probably consider this response another insult so we continue going in circles, unfortunately.

He means that, indeed. But it is DUMPING indeed.

If you would do just what about other 500 or more people do, which is buy, stake and shut your mouth, you'd be helpful and wouldn't provoke unnecessary hostility.

As it is, you insist in, very clumsily, try to offend and discredit anyone with strong opinions and knowledge, PROVEN by events, time and market.

Stick to cheerleading. And, once again, may I suggest veritalk?

I ALWAYS put my money were my mouth is. ALWAYS. And my efforts too. Which, obviously, don't mean, even remotely, pipe dreams such as this Juggernaut thing is.

While ANYTHING at all is much better -only by comparison, of course- to the absolute nothingness that we currently have, like I have stated many times, VRC does not NEED anything else... but setting a logical, common sense source of action. If AFTER setting that clear path, a new dev is needed -and it is in my belief- I am all for it. But first things first: Get the most of the very few assets you have. THEN and ONLY then, reach out for new heights.

As I have stated before, the whole Juggernaut scheme, as presented, is not just bogus it is thoroughly idiotic and bound to disappoint even the most hopeful of supporters. There's no developer who can guarantee any price increase, I don't know who he is. That's simple reality. So selling the pen that way is simply stupid, sorry. Now, if there's a developer that really "gets it" and is willing to work for free and to be paid for results, I obviously am all for it. But clearly, as it is. No ifs, no buts. I don't believe such an individual exists. I believe Juggernaut is just another loudmouth with not a single chance of moving VRC on inch in the right direction. But I'd very much like to be proven wrong.

And, as stated by others already -and suggested by me in the first place- Nosker and the proposer of Juggernaut ALONE have already pledged 100k VRC. They alone -maybe with the help of Doug and Dave and a couple cheerleaders, can sustain that bet, fronting up the bail for this bet, since there's absolutely no risk involved. They don't need either my money or my support: The guy delivers -and at the current prices, practically anything sensible would easily improve the price by 20-50%, it's that easy-, he gest his half million and the backers get not only much bigger payment in the value of their remaining portfolios but, if they decide to cash in, they can wash out their contributions and book significant profits even with just a small part of their holdings. No need for community donations for this. At all.

So all for Juggernaut on those terms. AND convinced that a reasonable goal, such as 20-40% would be achieved almost instantly from these current levels ... only to be severely sold off and back to square one, mind you. I just saw the film again (take a look at the "Black is Back" title, if you will, in the last few days). So go ahead and do it. It won't be bad at all, it can only be good. And since we all will sell big time into it, we all will benefit.

Now, if I am wrong, and the momentum picks up and this gets back to the 20s, all the more reason to celebrate and for the veritalk "crowd" to shout hurrahs.

The way I see it, it is, as posted before, win-win-win and THEN win situation. Not because it is anything to be optimistic about it in and out of itself but because of the dire situation we are locked into.

And, again, it doesn't need my money at all.

There are so many I would have to make a list of at last 20 other coins, quite probably many more. It is a very stupid question, I am afraid, for you know the answer yourself only too well.

In separate aspects, you can even put Vericoin in the same league with other coins out there, technically. Quite a few of them. On generic clones, like Vericoin is, I don't even know 10% of what's out there and still I could list several, quite a few indeed, which have much more usability than Vericoin... oh, before you come up with the inevitable, stupid otherwise, follow up, some are: Next, peer, pink, rdd, blackcoin -yep, the scam is ALSO a much superior product than Vericoin-, Naut... I could go on for quite a while, you now. And that, I repeat, is not mentioning the several -more than 3, many more- that are technically so superior to VRC that is like talking kids at school compared with NBA at the very top, get the metaphor?

Oh and it wasn't just a REPEATED spelling mistake, it was proof of ignorance, which is altogether a very different -and way more worrysome- thing.

I didn't "task myself" with anything of that short. I stated that by Monday I would have the CONTENT of what would be the meat of the WVD. When Shinraven put his foot in his mouth -again- pretending that I have backed up and will not deliver, in spite of the fact that I had posted and long before decided that, since no enthusiastic support from the devs, which was a requirement, was forthcoming, I would not participate any longer in project WVD, I decided to post the raw content of the pamphlet that I hadn't even proof-read and that took all of 5 minutes to put together, days before. Get it now?

Still, by leaps and bounds, even in it's rawest form, stands out as a clear message with obvious positive results if even minimally distributed in the real world.
And that's a much, much, much bigger chance of anything remotely close to success -on a quite different scale- that Vericoin will ever have otherwise.

Capisce now?

But you should not bother your little head with so far superior thoughts. You'll be much more at ease down at veritalk chanting hurrahs all the way down to three digits. And then delisting. Which is where Vericoin's train wreck is heading in the current direction.

But just a thought the may eventually sink (though I doubt it), when a train is accelerating and adding as much fuel as possible towards an evident precipice (we are already very, very clearly on the steep way down), what do you think is really positive, a change of direction at the next switch or keep on chanting hurrahs while accelerating on the current direction? No need to answer that by the way.

"usable", ok? Freaking illiterate loud mouths...

Damn right.

But you and a the rabid, myopic idiots will never see the light.

Instead you are selling this shit to people and expect Jane and Joe Sixpack to even consider it: https://www.vericoin.info/

No need to add a thing...

NY will be quickly -or not so quickly but definitely in the end- followed by most if not all States (and Nations outside the US). Regulation, full fledged, is definitely coming. PINK should WELCOME it and advocate for it to arrive sooner better. And achieve doable things.

I just saved you the hassle. It is a requirement of the US government. Big Vern -who has ponied up the dough already- can give you as many details as you want.

This is something of very doubtful utility that doesn't require further action since it would be a waste of time/effort. So I'd recommend to get moving on what is achievable and forget impenetrable walls.

This is just amazing, really:

What Vericoin has:

1.- Verybit. Every coin has it. Every single one even much less established than Vericoin. You exchange it for BTC (including the waiting times of up to one hour and more of BTC), and then it is golden. Exactly the same process as if you would sell your coins in an exchange and paid from that account in BTC. Amazing "asset", isn't it?

2.- VeriSMS. You can use your mobile phone when you don't have internet service ( Maybe in the Himalaya mountains, high, really high on them??). OK, let's assume that you just WANT to use it and not bother with your internet. You will have to input the wallet address of any recipient of your funds... an d that is not exactly a walk in the park, is it? Chances are, 99.99% of the time, that you will send your irretrievable VRCs to someone not even remotely intended to.
The expected usage of this "feature" is 1 in 1 million transactions... being quite generous. Oh, lets not forget that, according to the roadmap, the devs are in the (long ) process of eliminating the need to input the wallet's addresses by copying/pasting what boxxa's has already implemente in PINK.

3.- Verisend. Since it is optional, no one will use it of course by the simple reason that it is so low in the ranking of purported anonymous ways to send money, that it will be like using generic bleach instead of clorox, for the same price.

Now, if you look at the other "features" listed as in different levels of progression, you will see that there's no real path but a diversity of projects of no significance whatsoever that will never either be implemented or used or both. Of note is the mention of the multi-pool that still doesn't work proper (it's a random thing), that still pays much less than any savvy investor will get on their own and that, obviously, bachelor number 3 doesn't have any idea of how to fix properly.

Now people insist that I must be "nice" instead of blunt and  "positive" in my criticism (as it that wasn't a contradiction in terms). How can you, if you are not full of shit and willing to lie? How?

  ^^  Example of someone that obviously belongs in veritalk but somehow cannot convince himself because, well, he just cannot help but trolling.

Once again, the evidence shows the reality of things: We have two children (the third doesn't even seem to interfere in these types of things), leading this.
I can only imagine the expert salespeople of Coinsis handling these two in their conversations... but hey, what do you expect? Let's be real.

Once again, first of all, the Visa deal is not even a deal worth mentioning on any level for it is something of no significance whatsoever, therefore it should have been mentioned only at the time where implementation would be only pending majority approval by the stakeholders (that would be US, the owners of the coin). If, as it seems, Nosker was so compelled to mention it for the purpose of hyping (as everyone knows I am ALL for "hyping" -creating momentum, actually-), there wouldn't have been any NDA violation simply stating that VRC was in active discussion for a credit card company to include it in it's rooster of clients. Truth, no details, and same hype... only with people in the forums -people like me and others- clarifying pros and cons long before vote submissions.

Instead, the band that can't shoot straight, makes the announcement several months before it can be implemented, with a company that no one knows and, apparently, at a cost no one will ever be willing to pay -because it isn't worth it not even remotely-. Wow, not only children running the ship but not the sharpest children you could find.

In any event, as stated above, this deal will probably never materialize. If it does will be yet another negative for Vericoin for no one will use it and, above all, it isn't anything different -only bigger fees and payment in advance-, from the link to Moolah in the wallet... only a portable link in plastic. To even dedicate two minutes to think, let alone discuss it, is just a total waste of time.

Why do you subject yourself to the torture of this forum plagued with requotes of my posts, when you have the oh so comfy veritalk available to you? I PROMISE I will never visit there, what a deal ah?