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Thanks for pictorial representation, friend! I think that you and your buddies hacked everybody's locations through their ISPs, and you are sending out terrorists to destroy all your opponents.  Yeah. theymos put a backdoor so that terrorists like me can access IP addresses. I have sent a vehicle with a bomb to Wilikon. It was hard to find an exact car he sent me. I have paid the debt with a small tip. Confirm here if you receive it. |
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The superpowers are too gentle and peaceful to be able to destroy the more violent, hateful nations of Islam.
Yeah. This is too peaceful and too gentle. Now I understand what it means. Killing 5-10 million people from '80s is peace. Killing a few thousand people is terrorism.  I pity US more than I pity claimed-to-be-muslim terrorists. 1.7 million Germans killed and telling it was Russians who did it!   He ordered that these Germans did not fall under the Geneva Rules, and were NOT TO BE FED, NOR GIVEN ANY WATER or medical attention. The Swiss Red Cross was NOT to inspect the camps, for under the DEF classification, they had no such authority or jurisdiction.
Months after the war was officially over, Eisenhower’s special German DEF camps were still in operation forcing the men into confinement, but denying that they were prisoners.
“For years we have blamed the 1.7 million missing German POW’s on the Russians. Until now, no one dug too deeply … Witnesses and survivors have been interviewed by the author; one Allied officer compared the American camps to Buchenwald.”
It is known, that the Allies had sufficient stockpiles of food and medicine to care for these German soldiers. This was deliberately and intentionally denied them. Many men died of gangrene from frostbite due to deliberate exposure.
Edit: Nazis were at-least kind enough to give food unlike this US. |
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Communal violence is a bit different from Islamic Terrorism, Communal Violence is more like a civil war, even Muslim can involved in communal violence, but its short lived and happens as a reaction to something.
While terrorism is when you are more interested in threating others, brutally blowing other people and penetrating a sense of fear in the minds of the people, these things aren't common in terrorism and communal violence.
What Hindus, ever did could be related to communal violence(that too when they were provoked by Muslims) but by far it wasn't related to any terrorist activity.
While Islamic Terrorists are practicing terrorism, and that's the reason why you cannot blame acts on terrorism on other religions.
I even show you a wiki link. If you missed it, http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence_in_India. It is obvious, you want to spread more hate towards Islam. It is one of the reason you used "Islamic" instead of the true one "Muslims". Another thing is you told Hindus only did communal violence and that too because of Islams. Ever heard about communal violence regardins Sikh which had a possible influence by Hindus? Ever heard of Hindu wars? Ever heard of Christian wars? Ever heard of Jews wars? Only thing to say "Islam hates". Some of you probably hate me when I say these, but this is how you see us and twist it. That's why, I said to lock these threads. Probably, this will get similar response I got earlier. |
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Ever heard of the term, "Fight fire with fire?"
Yes. You should fight a natural fire with a natural fire and artificial fire with are artificial fire. Fighting natural fire with artificial fire isn't good, but fighting artificial fire with natural fire is okay. However, I think it is better to fight fire with water. People don't really want to be hateful. But when Islam, the religion of hate, attacks them, they have to fight back. So they begin to look hateful, just like Islam, when all they are doing is, self-defense against Islam.  Yes, I understand that when Islam fight a war, it is hateful. When others fight a war, it only "looks" hateful. Unjust laws & theories!!!  |
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Also, belief in miracles is not necessary for belief in Koran.
True. I am not saying anything false because it will make more discussions here. I request you to lock this thread. I am not posting in religious post and didn't post in religious post like Bible's to not to make further hates. People who make a quick-look will think a religion hate them and hence, all followers hate them. This makes more hate between people. Anyway, I think I know how your response will be to this. I thought it's good to take a risk to solve this. However, if you think you want to get optionions, you are free to do so! Good luck! |
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Right, since I have shown that you advocate violence in the name of Islam and that Islam is a violent religion (cutting off hands/feet/stoning women)
.... just lock the thread and run away!
Problem solved!
I was thinking about this sometime but most times, I was in middle of discussion. So I thought it is good to post after a discussion is somewhat ended. And if I didn't post here, you will think I am avoiding you. Anyway, the response was same. |
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It already looks cluttered up with the page numbers being displayed for each thread. Instead of page numbers, it would be post numbers and I would be more interested in having my post numbers displayed rather than page numbers. It would be more relevant to me as I am searching for new replies to my posts.
I don't think you need to look replies to yoir old posts neither do I think the reply will be in the same page. If you want to look for reply to your lates post, click image "new". It will go to the the latest unread post and is enough IMHO. For the thread you mentioned, it would be a huge list but since there is no limit to the page numbers a thread can have as of now, it would be an issue in such cases. Threads should not cross 100 pages or 200 pages IMO.
It shouldn't be implemented. If there is an active discussion, many threads about same topic will be created and it will clutter up the board. P.S. It certainly is better to see 200+ pages for a thread than to see 20+ threads for a subject. |
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He either is trying to scam with a plaisilyplausibly-useless collateral or doesn't know about this.
Edit: Corrected typo.
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Just a suggestion, I think this thread has got enough points/statements. So isn't it good to lock this thread?
I might not post here like I used it. Don't think it is because I can't answer your questions and/or arguments. My English is poor and I can't express what is in my mind through English which makes it worse than better. It will be easy if I know English better or you know Malayalam(my mother tounge/local language).
It was good debating with you. I also got some new knowledge. Thank you all! Looking forward to meet you in other threads of this forum or in other places of great virtual world or even in greatest, real world. Best of luck!
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I hope you know the difference between communal riots and terrorism on the name of religion.
What you are talking about, the "Sikhs, Hindus, etcetc" have also attacked are a part of communal riots.
These type of posts obviously say laws are unjust for Muslims. What muslims do is religious violence and people from other religions do is communal violence.  To your doubt: Even in Wikipedia, it is mentioned. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_violence_in_India. Communal violence is religious violence if religions involve in it and it is obvious, what I said do have it. |
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This is the best point. The only time anybody can hate, is when they become involved deeply. You don't hate things that you are not involved with, or that you know very little about.
Islam is a religion. It is a system of belief. Islam itself doesn't do anything, good, bad or indifferent, until it gets into the hearts and minds of people.
People who simply practice some aspects of a religion, may not be that religion. But people who become deeply involved with that religion, actually become the religion they are deeply involved with. This is the time that the religion does something. When people become involved with it... not before.
Even an extemist muslim doesn't have any commands from Islam to kill innocents. What will an Islamite do who is deeply involved with his religion?
Is a violent Islamite one who is deeply involved with Islam?
Is a hateful Islamite one who is deeply involved with Islam?
Is a loving Islamite one who is deeply involved with Islam?
Is a peaceful Islamite one who is deeply involved with Islam?
You can't find an extremist like in the time of Prophet(PBUH). More years pass, the less Islamic belief you see. An Islamite will pray at most of his time and don't bother doing most other things. No "real" Islamite hate others. Hurting a person when you hate him/her is questionable in the day of judgement. And the big one... Do people who are deeply involved in Islam actually change Islam into something that it is not - in their minds and hearts - because Islam is too good for them to accept, or because it is too bad for them to except? The problem is people who want to do bad things brainwash others by changing Islam. They ain't Islamite even by practice or by definition. |
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Okay, fine. But you'll just have to admit you were wrong on "Islam does not tell people to kill" and "Islam is not violent."
Again, "Islam hates" is different. A judge in a courtroom is unlikely to be hating when he sentences someone. At least he should not.
Okay. But still there are many reasons for killing a person, everything isn't violence when you consider about life, however, by definition, every thing(religion and law - incl. islam) have few things which looks like violence. But where does Islam hates "people"? Islam doesn't hate non-muslims because they aren't muslims. This is where I don't get you and/or others. |
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I think you mistook me.
I excluded the US cause they don't do it in the name of the religion, but yes, they are no less to terrorists, they are worse than the people in the middle east, I was just talking about the crimes that are done on the name of religion, and that's why I excluded US. US is included in the domain of terrorists but if you apply the function of crimes done on the name of religion then in the range you'll only get Muslims.
Okay. Understood what you werr saying. Only isn't good, however. Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Jews etc..., all have attacked in the name of religion. But whether it was really a religious attack or an imitation is yet to be discussed. 98% is still wrong in this point of view. |
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Then you can see how your opponents in this discussion are right when they say "Islam is violent." Now, notice that "Islam hates" is a very different thing.
What you pointed and what other people say about Islamic violence is different. Frankly, I like that punishment as it will protect many people. In a country without these punishments, people won't have enough fear when committing. I try my best to view in their view when replying. I think like redsn0w mentioned. If some people do bad things, you shouldn't blame the religion/community/country. |
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Nope. It was 1400 years ago. People didn't even thought about going to Space and also here "tremendous force" explains about it. That is a miracle. Even if people thought you are stickies to earth, they didn't even think about flight and how much force is needed etc...
They damn sure did think about flight and how much force was needed. I'll tell you why. Birds roasted over a fire are tasty. Your family will owe you big time if you bring them tasty birds. If you could reliably get them you'd be more likely to get the girl you want to marry. Tasty meals are very, very important. Now to get them you need to hit them with your arrows. Thank you! I meant about theories and all. It was my mistake to say "think" there. I believe it is a play on words Mr Zakir, in that your religion, like most, is primarily interested in earning a profit from the followers of their prophet.
How can you say that? Muhammad(PBUH) didn't did things so that prophet could earn profit from followers. In fact, many things like "interest" was abolished. If it was for profit, such things shouldn't be abolished. Interest for the common believer was removed and made illegal so that the common man cant get empowered. Those in control get a constant flow of money from the fellow followers. It is a different take on the 99% vs the 1% , capitalism cloaked in a blanket of good will. Nope. It was abolished for all. Not just common man. ....
Perhaps, you should learn Arabic. Arabic is a bit different when translating unlike most languages. It is not a reverse engineering.
Perhaps you should learn science and engineering. I will try my best. |
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I understand this point of view. However let me point out there are very few religions that do teach to stone women who are adultererous, to cut off hands and feet of thieves. This is violence dictated by Islam. Christianity does not practice this. Nowhere. Neither does Hindu.
I understand this view too. FYI: Stoning and these things are also mentioned in Bible.Noticed I said practiced.You admit this is violence dictated by Islam. You admit you approve of these violent methods. Thank you! This isn't widely practiced one though. No, I said "understand" not "admitted". In your point of you, it is violence. However, I think sometimes it is good to keep other humans secure. |
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True-or-false statement:
(USUN) The US indirectly controls the UN.
Fact: The US has veto power on the security council, as do 4 other nations. The US "controls" the UN in the same sense as Russia, Britain, France and China. The US has no veto power over the general assembly and they regularly vote for resolutions against Israel. So, the US does not control the UN.
Status: (USUN) is false.
It doesn't matter anyway, since the UN has very little power (fortunately).
Nope. US has a lot of money. If US goes from UN, it will be hard for UN to stand in financial things. True-or-false statement:
(IUS) Israel is being helped by the US.
Fact: Israel and the US have been allies for many decades. They have worked together for many years on many different things, including militarily. I don't think anyone denies this. (Someone could argue against it by pointing to cases where the US has helped Israel's enemies, but it's clear that the US often "helps" both sides in a conflict. The US has had its fingers in a lot of pies since WW2.)
Status: (IUS) is true.
A little problem though, by saying the US is helping Israel, you may have shifted the "worst enemy of Muslims" status from Israel to the US. Maybe you guys should debate which one you want to have the status. Just to keep things simple.
As a social statement, you have confirmed that you are anti-Israel and anti-US. You are allowed to remain part of the in-group. Congratulations!
I ain't anti-Israel or anti-US. I have friends from that country(ies) too. So what about your anti-German? However, just my 2 satoshis. |
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I believe it is a play on words Mr Zakir, in that your religion, like most, is primarily interested in earning a profit from the followers of their prophet.
How can you say that? Muhammad(PBUH) didn't did things so that prophet could earn profit from followers. In fact, many things like "interest" was abolished. If it was for profit, such things shouldn't be abolished. |
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So we can keep track of the 'miracles' Miracle #1
THE COMING OF THE UNIVERSE INTO EXISTENCE
The origin of the universe is described in the Qur'an in the following verse:
"He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth."(The Qur'an, 6:101) Pretty much every monotheistic religion claims their god created the Universe, so what makes you think your book saying your god 'did it' is a miracle? Verdict: No miracle, just a repetition of every other super-god story. It is a religious verse. Miracle #2:
Orbits
While referring to the Sun and the Moon in the Qur'an, it is emphasized that each moves in a definite orbit.
"It is He Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They swim along, each in an orbit." (The Qur'an, 21:33)
It is mentioned in another verse, too, that the Sun is not static but moves in a definite orbit:
"And the sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing." (The Qur'an, 36:38) The quotes concerned make no mention of the Sun being in a galactic orbit, merely that both the Moon and Sun are in an orbit which, given the widespread ignorance of the time, probably indicates the quote came from someone who thought the Sun went around the Earth. Verdict: No miracle, especially the suggestion in the second quote that the Sun has a 'resting place' - Bizarre and absurd. I explained earlier. You want to avoid it. Take a look. Miracle #3:
55 :33 - “If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the sky and the earth, then (go ahead and) pass beyond (them) ! But you will never be able to pass them except with a tremendous force.” Even children of the time would know this simply from something as basic as trying to throw a stone at the Moon. Verdict: No miracle, common knowledge even bronze-age goat-herders would have figured out. You are avoiding "tremendous force"? You have anything to proove children/people knows this? Miracle 4
The Pairs in Creation
"Glory be to Him Who created all the pairs: from what the earth produces and from themselves and from things unknown to them." (The Qur'an, 36:36) Dispute over the exact phrasing of this quote amongst Islamic scholars themselves and, in any event, vague enough to disregard and certainly not specific enough to align with modern knowledge. Verdict: No miracle, just another 'glory be to . . .' hand-wavy bit of reverse-engineering the 'facts' to fit your preconceived notions. So, let's have it then, what's number 5 going to be? Perhaps, you should learn Arabic. Arabic is a bit different when translating unlike most languages. It is not a reverse engineering. |
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