My post did not reflect cookierun content just how gullable you are and would probably hand over your crap to anyone who asks for it in the name of the "profit"
It was prophet instead of profit, wasn't it? No, I wouldn't. Prophet has said not to do such things. |
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Why was Gravitational Force discovered in 1697 and that too because of an apple? Why didn't people knew about it earlier or even great scientist like Newton think earlier about it? The scientific Theory of Gravity is a whole lot different from the general understanding that stuff doesn't stay up in the air on its own. Because a force to pull down is there. You missed this. This is why it is a miracle as Gravitational Force was discovered later. LoL , the only miracle in this thread is you Muhammed Zakir. The fact that you have managed to survive this long and not run into someone who convinced you to hand them your kidney,liver or heart in the name of the prophet Mohammed - Peace be not upon him. Nowhere in Qur'an or Hadiths says it and nobody can convince me such lie. |
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Yes it came to "us" a long time ago, in fact most the stolen content come from this book , the Christians used the Jewish scripture and the Muslims just continued on that and stole from the Christian and Jewish books. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_TestamentWrong. Prove it if you say yes. See? You are telling this because it is wildly-known now. As I have mentioned, at that time these things weren't doscovered. Now kids study in school and you are thinking same as the current knowledge was same at that time. No school studying needed. Cavemen would have had a go at throwing rocks up to the Moon and they, too, would have figured it clearly was going to take far more force to get a stone up there than they had. No miracle. Pointing out the obvious is not miraculous. Why was Gravitational Force discovered in 1697 and that too because of an apple? Why didn't people knew about it earlier or even great scientist like Newton think earlier about it? You want to somehow proove this is false and it isn't a miracle, no matter how it is. Even pointless things like above will be given for it. Wow such a dishonest post. The science about how gravity works was only disected at that time. People knew before then that you are stuck to planet earth, they just did not know exactly why. Nope. It was 1400 years ago. People didn't even thought about going to Space and also here "tremendous force" explains about it. That is a miracle. Even if people thought you are stickies to earth, they didn't even think about flight and how much force is needed etc... |
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Why was Gravitational Force discovered in 1697 and that too because of an apple? Why didn't people knew about it earlier or even great scientist like Newton think earlier about it? The scientific Theory of Gravity is a whole lot different from the general understanding that stuff doesn't stay up in the air on its own. Because a force to pull down is there. You missed this. This is why it is a miracle as Gravitational Force was discovered later. |
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Could ask them to post the payment transaction and look at the taint, but its marginally useful at best. I don't think there's a good way to stop this behaviour as long as smurfs are allowed.
I don't think alts will pay the amount. They obviously want to raise the price not to be winner. See the post above yours. |
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Is there a problem in the title? I see "BTC/USD" in title but in the thread people speculate regarding "USD/BTC".
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2. I mean to say that currently I can see the following results when I click "Show new replies to your posts."
[ img]http://s2.postimg.org/nvtlsxbqx/Forum_1.jpg[/img]
While if the post ID/number is mentioned instead of the pages, the results would appear as:
[ img]http://s2.postimg.org/prq32h8s9/Forum_2.jpg[/img]
I hope you get what I am trying to suggest here.
Thanks for the pics. It is good for small threads but have you ever thought how it would be displayed for threads like Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin Price Movement Tracking & discussion4. Thanks for the steps. Now I can see the checkboxes  Anytime. |
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See? You are telling this because it is wildly-known now. As I have mentioned, at that time these things weren't doscovered. Now kids study in school and you are thinking same as the current knowledge was same at that time. No school studying needed. Cavemen would have had a go at throwing rocks up to the Moon and they, too, would have figured it clearly was going to take far more force to get a stone up there than they had. No miracle. Pointing out the obvious is not miraculous. Why was Gravitational Force discovered in 1697 and that too because of an apple? Why didn't people knew about it earlier or even great scientist like Newton think earlier about it? You want to somehow proove this is false and it isn't a miracle, no matter how it is. Even pointless things like above will be given for it. |
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So everything is wrong except whats in the Qur'an?
Did I say that? I said "some". Miracle #3:
55 :33 - “If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, then (go ahead and) pass beyond (them) ! But you will never be able to pass them except with a tremendous force.”
Whether to send a satellite up the space, despatch instruments to explore Mars or to send man to moon - the rocket to carry them can lift off the surface of the earth only if it develops a force exceeding earth’s gravity. This velocity, termed escape velocity of a heavenly body, depends upon its gravity.
Holy Qur’an was revealed in an age when even air flight by man could hardly be given a thought, let alone attempted. How then it could give a hint to man (and jinn) about possibility of space travel is truly amazing. Could have this concept been authored by man? Absolutely no chance! As the most illustrious poets of Prophet’s (Pbuh) time admitted defeat on going through Qur’an:
Even a child could tell you that it takes an enormous amount of force to get into space. Simply by trying to throw a rock up to the moon, something as infantile as that, would result in acknowledging that the only way to make your stone go far enough would require a tremendous amount of force, far beyond that which you can give it. See? A child's logic would come up with with the same thing. What's so miraculous about that? See? You are telling this because it is wildly-known now. As I have mentioned, at that time these things weren't doscovered. Now kids study in school and you are thinking same as the current knowledge was same at that time. This is not a "miracle", do you know the meaning of the that word?
1. An event that appears inexplicable by the laws of nature and so is held to be supernatural in origin or an act of God.
2. One that excites admiring awe; a wonderful or amazing event, act, person, or thing. See Synonyms at wonder.
3. A miracle play.
Both first and second definition fits here. Don't think the world 1,400 years ago was same as of now. |
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I understand this point of view. However let me point out there are very few religions that do teach to stone women who are adultererous, to cut off hands and feet of thieves. This is violence dictated by Islam. Christianity does not practice this. Nowhere. Neither does Hindu.
I understand this view too. FYI: Stoning and these things are also mentioned in Bible. My interest in this thread is more accurate stated like "how is Islam perverted into the teaching and use of terrorism - violence against innocent women and children."
Good to know. Thanks for telling. First of all, what is the meaning of innocent? "Free from moral wrong;without sin;pure." "Free from legal wrong; guiltless." "Not involving evil intent or motive;harmless." Do you think cheating a spouse is innocence? I don't think so. Why I like some of the punishments are because: • Will decrease cheatings. • Will help people as it decrease theft. • Will help women and childer to be safe as it decreases rape and sexual violence. • Will help people to be safe as it decreases many evil things. See the comparison of rapes in different countries, for example.  Comparison of selected countries' reported rape rates, 2012.You can see rape at the national level, number of police-recorded offenses - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics |
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Qur'an came to us a long time ago. Even things in Qur'an was found recently(in the past 400 years or so). A common man can see it easily now because he studies it in School. No, we have much written material from the 7th century, and before and after it. We have the Greek works on science, nature and the cosmos. I don't know about all theories of that time but some of them is already proved to be false like the system cryptodevil mentioned. |
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Miracle #3:
55 :33 - “If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the sky and the earth, then (go ahead and) pass beyond (them) ! But you will never be able to pass them except with a tremendous force.”
Whether to send a satellite up the space, despatch instruments to explore Mars or to send man to moon - the rocket to carry them can lift off the surface of the earth only if it develops a force exceeding earth’s gravity. This velocity, termed escape velocity of a heavenly body, depends upon its gravity.
Holy Qur’an was revealed in an age when even air flight by man could hardly be given a thought, let alone attempted. How then it could give a hint to man (and jinn) about possibility of space travel is truly amazing. Could have this concept been authored by man? Absolutely no chance! As the most illustrious poets of Prophet’s (Pbuh) time admitted defeat on going through Qur’an:
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It's okay to spread doubt, where doubt should exist. This is the nature of critical examination of a subject.
I have not seen any evidence here from the Koran of a level of knowledge of astrology higher than a common man might have had from looking at the skies. I have seen zero knowledge of astronomy in the modern sense.
These claims have been made, but they are not supportable.
The Koran does not have amazing miraculous revelations about astronomy.
Qur'an came to us a long time ago. Even things in Qur'an was found recently(in the past 400 years or so). A common man can see it easily now because he studies it in School. |
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=snip=
@Zakir, by the way, don't think we can't see how you keep trying to avoid the facts of the posts concerned so you can complain about how they are being reposted.
Pro-tip: Try actually responding to the content of the challenge to your claims, instead of pretending like you already did.
Thanks for the tip. It will be helpful if you can direct me to the "challenges". True, but 7th century Middle Eastern people knew astrology. The Islamic calendar was used to predict eclipses, so they had knowledge of the lunar cycles. I'd hazard a guess that Mo wasn't quite so enlightened. According to reports he, metaphorically speaking, crapped his pants when he experienced a Solar eclipse. I'd guess he had sort of the common man's understanding of eclipses, that they were awesome and important events in the Heavens. Maybe that some wise men could predict them. Translated in the mindset of that time to "God spoke to the wise men." Muhammad(PBUH) didn't said it and it isn't mentioned in Qur'an too. |
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Israel and Palestine. Long long lost cousins that started as enemies thousands of years ago and then become neighbours. Eventually some left and some stayed. then the world was in a great turmoil and many decided to go back and settle. Greedy men on both sides wanted more and more power, Blood was shed, and it still is. The people are okay with eachother. Governments are not and will never be. Until then. Blood will still flow there.
I hope your words are wrong but it seems that is what will happen between Palestine and Israel. No one want to resolve their internal conflic, also the UN. US indirectly controls UN. So when it comes about UN and few other things, I think Israel is being helped by US. Any comments on this? You can find something from this search: https://www.google.com/search?q=israel+helped+by+US |
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@Spendulus: Why bumping post which is answered and discussed earlier? If you have any questions, ask it rather than spreading doubts. Because I'm the only one presenting objectively reasoned facts to prove your claims towards 'miracles' in your book as being utter tripe. You just keep on repeating the same text as though that somehow qualifies as an answer.
Have you took the time to read what you quoted? What? “It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon?” The above verse is either ridiculous or wrong, depending on whether we try to understand it from the modern perspective or from the Bedouins’ perspective, respectively.
Wrong understanding. Here is why:
[ img]http://www.foundalis.com/rlg/Sun-Moon.gif[/img]
From the modern perspective, to say that the Sun tries to catch up the Moon (but is not permitted to do so) is laughably naïve.
Tries to catch up? You must be kidding! In Qur'an it is mentioned "not permitted to sun to catch up moon". You are making mistranslation. The orbit of the Moon (gray) around the Earth’s orbit (blue circle) and around the Sun (red, center).
Note: not drawn to scale, and also the Moon completes approximately 13 turns in a year, not exactly 13.
Observation from this diagram: to say that the Sun, in reality, “tries to catch up the Moon”, makes no sense at all.
Right. So, because according to what we know today it is just plain stupid to say that the Sun tries to catch up the Moon, there is only one possibility: that verse 36:40 was said that way for the Bedouins to make some sense of it. But in that case,... it’s wrong again!
Read the verse correctly. It never said sun tries to catch uo the moon. Blatant lie!Seeing as you did the same thing with the first 'miracle' of the mosque, I'm assuming you want to do the same thing with the 'miracle' of the absurd Sun/Moon quote, so I'm saying go for it. Let's have the next one seeing as you have nothing to challenge my take-down of your 'miracles.'
I can't comment on "Mosque" as it looks like photoshopped. However, it may or may not be true. I haven't researched about it. Although, to be honest, both of you are choosing to miss out this little clanger I found when looking for a version of the quote with your preferred grammar:
"It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the night outstrip the day, each just swims along in its own orbit."
One word: Eclipse.
Sooooooo, yet another 'miracle' bites the dust.
NEXT!
Read more. Here you go: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EclipseA pic:  ^^^ "A symbolic orbital diagram from the view of the Earth at the center, with the sun and moon projected upon the celestial sphere, showing the Moon's two nodes where eclipses can occur." |
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We should analyze the word 'terrorism'. Everyone who provide terror (a real terror) to a group of person with a weapon, knife etcetera ... By the definition is a terrorist, now the history can speak itself because not all the Muslim are terrorist and not all the terrorist are muslim. I think it's wrong to link the word Islam to the word terrorism, can you explain to us why aren't all the muslim terrorists?
Thanks for your input. Was the last questions to me? I didn't get you correctly. I should prove all muslims aren't terrorist?  No, it is not only for you but for all who "watching" this thread. They should prove that all the muslim are terrorists and why the most victim of those attacks are muslims. I really can't understand this theory because I have a lot of friends from numerous Religion (jewish, muslim, hinduism,Sikhism and christianity) and none of them is a terrorist. Strawman logical fallacy. Misrepresent the opponent's argument, exggerate and distort it, claim it is the argument he has, and then show you ridiculous it is and claim you've disproved "his" argument. Self righteous. When you and people who make statements you like, it is logical. But when people make statements you don't like, it is illogical.  Sometimes, I like what you are saying but sometimes not.  |
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The reason should be found in the Quran, it include violence.
Islam always make people fear, and most of violence in the world related islam.
Quote it if Qur'an has violence. Islam doesn't do it. People do it. Most? Have you checked this? A terrorist is not identifyed by religion, but by political beliefs.
Sadly most terrorists are muslims.
Okay. Let's come to this matter. Meaning of terrorists: "Persons who use terrorism for gaining of political aims." Meaning of terrorism: "Use of violence and intimidation for gaining of political aims." Here comes the saddest part. Total estimate number of people killed from '80s till now by Muslims: 20,000 to 100,000. US: 5,000,000 to 10,000,000 I suggest you to read this interesting article: After the Charlie Hebdo attack, a Paris imam went to the scene and condemned the murders. "These victims are martyrs, and I shall pray for them with all my heart," said Hassen Chalghoumi (above). He was also quoted as saying that 95% of victims of terrorism are Muslim. How accurate is this statistic? The claim is similar to one in a 2011 report by the US government's National Counter-Terrorism Center (NCTC), which said: "In cases where the religious affiliation of terrorism casualties could be determined, Muslims suffered between 82 and 97% of terrorism-related fatalities over the past five years."http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30883058I think your point is invalid, if the most victims of terrorist attack (all) are muslim this is really no sense. A muslim attack another muslim in name o a God (Allah)... this is really no sense. According to people above who say "Islam is violence", they are thinking that we muslims are born with guns and bombs directly from stomach of mother. =snip= I pity US more than I pity claimed-to-be-muslim terrorists. 1.7 million Germans killed and telling it was Russians who did it!   He ordered that these Germans did not fall under the Geneva Rules, and were NOT TO BE FED, NOR GIVEN ANY WATER or medical attention. The Swiss Red Cross was NOT to inspect the camps, for under the DEF classification, they had no such authority or jurisdiction.
Months after the war was officially over, Eisenhower’s special German DEF camps were still in operation forcing the men into confinement, but denying that they were prisoners.
“For years we have blamed the 1.7 million missing German POW’s on the Russians. Until now, no one dug too deeply … Witnesses and survivors have been interviewed by the author; one Allied officer compared the American camps to Buchenwald.”
It is known, that the Allies had sufficient stockpiles of food and medicine to care for these German soldiers. This was deliberately and intentionally denied them. Many men died of gangrene from frostbite due to deliberate exposure.
Edit: Nazis were at-least kind enough to give food unlike this US. |
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I can't comment on "Mosque" as it looks like photoshopped. However, it may or may not be true. I haven't researched about it.
There's no reason to suspect it is photoshopped, simply understanding basic science would explain why the MOST SOLIDLY built structure in the vicinity managed to survive while those NOT BUILT TO THE SAME STANDARD as the mosque, were swept away. That close to the ocean, how would you have a good foundation? It's not impossible, say they dug ten meters down and started piling rock up to the surface, then built the mosque. Just unlikely. IF IT'S NOT PHOTOSHOPPED....then let's have the location of that beach and mosque and we'll look at it on Google Earth. Like I said, I haven't believed in it. I will have to research more about it but atm, I am using mobile. Will try to post here about the source of that image and whether the mosque is real etc... |
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Hate to burst your cookierun bubble but you keep apparently quoting the use of the word orbit in arabic in the cookierun.
Sadly the first use and definition of the word orbit came long after the cookierun were written so your assertion that they even used the word orbit is pure speculation and yet again your own interpretation of whatever the hell the arabic word should mean today.
Origin
Mid 16th century (in sense 3 of the noun): from Latin orbita 'course, track' (in medieval Latin 'eye socket'), feminine of orbitus 'circular', from orbis 'ring'.
That said, all holy scriptures read just like the entries in Nostrodamus daily diary. Vague as shit and can be interpreted in a thousand different ways.
No problem! It is good to hear others opinions too. What you said is true but you are mistaken. If your mother tongue is Arabic, for example, you won't translate Arabic to English for your brain to understand. You will understand Arabic by hearing/reading it. This is the same mechanism which works here. Humans were same earlier too except a few hanges happened regarding lifespan, height etc... So when Arabs here these verses, they will understand what it means. Besides, "path" itself is enough. It is a metaphor. Think about it. If you know different shapes of moon and how old (and withered) lower part of a date-stalk looks, you will understand. FFS, please decide whether you want to play your 'miracle' cards as "amazing science facts nobody could have known about at the time" and "Hey, lighten up, it's just a metaphor, it has meaning and depth and . . .[insert equally vapid nonsense here]" You can't have it both ways. Either you are presenting 'miracles' of there being scientifically-sound assertions within that book or you're wanting to discuss metaphors and poetry, which isn't the topic of this thread. Do you know what intellectual integrity means? Serious question. I am not discussing about "poetry" in this thread. However, when you misunderstood it, I said about it. You can say miracles in poetic way too. I don't think miracles should only be told in simple English. |
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