Everyone was blaming September for the dip like it was a dip holiday and just waiting for October for the pump. And as soon as October came - and I mean literally, like the first day of October - prices started to go up and it started to pump. How??
Patterns? It has been that way not just in the cryptocurrency markets, but in most traditional markets as well. Each of us plebs in the forum you ask would give you a different reason, or what to “believe”, but I believe, it has become a like self-fulfilling prophecy. Because it is expected that September would be down, then investors and traders bid lower, or avoid the market.
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Now we all have seen that Bitcoin reacted really well to the recent events, especially China's cryptos ban and Evergrande's crisis.
The second topic is the one I want to particularly focus on (crypto ban looks ridiculous and useless, so I don't wanna focus on that), because the Chinese central bank warned everybody of a possible "storm" that could occur in these weeks.
Do you think that we can consider this crisis solved or should we really expect another little bearish move?
What in my opinion results from everything China does is that they want to have world attention, they want the world to revolve around them, since the pandemic that came from there has monopolized all the attention, and it is normal, if we take taking into account that after the Second World War there has always been the hegemony of the US dollar, the Chinese have always wanted to dominate the world widely in every way. When they talked about the prohibition of crypto, mining, in 2018 it did give a great bearish impact to the market, now in 2021 where it is known that the best world economy is China, because they are the only ones that are very stable economically, want to have control, hegemony and attention for them, it is for this reason that any Chinese attack on bitcoin and cryptocurrencies no longer has any impact, firstly because it is a government that does it, and if we take into account the irreverence of people towards it. government, the dynasties in 2021 no longer have an effect on humanity or money. They want to risk an economic recession, and risk an uprising because of said economic recession because they simply want “World Attention”? I believe not. Obviously it’s because, MANY officials in their bureaucracy have been sleeping behind the wheel.
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Are they OK? If Bitcoin surges, shitcoins go up LESS, if Bitcoin goes through a dip, shitcoins go down MORE. Bitcoin is currently only a few percentages from ATH. Everything in this part of the bull cycle might be only for Bitcoin.
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Next week, these oil price hikes will come to take effect on our country. It's the highest it has been for this year, and I think I might have to drop the car for the mean time and just use my bike to work.
More exercise, good for the brain. Electric vehicles are also not a thing here in the country, and we still have very vague and crude registration rules and guidelines on electric vehicles.
EVERYTHING will be expensive when the full set of inflation/probable hyper-inflation enters the economy. Now, Jerome Powell is convincing everyone that it’s only “transitory”. It’s NOT, but he will keep convincing the plebs. I find it illogical that we have all this tech and advancements in the world yet we still are stuck with fossil fuels. There are tons of other energy sources to choose from yet we still insist drilling the earth and looking for some long dead plants/animals/whatever fossilized and extracting them for energy. Even if that's the case, I'm still happy that other parts of the world are already shifting away from traditional gas vehicles, and switching over to EVs. At the least, we are seeing some small changes, but in this day and age we should have shifted to EVs for a long time now.
The transistion is hard for the world economy to adjust.
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Now we all have seen that Bitcoin reacted really well to the recent events, especially China's cryptos ban and Evergrande's crisis.
The second topic is the one I want to particularly focus on (crypto ban looks ridiculous and useless, so I don't wanna focus on that), because the Chinese central bank warned everybody of a possible "storm" that could occur in these weeks.
Do you think that we can consider this crisis solved or should we really expect another little bearish move?
I believe the company could still go bankrupt, and CCP should just finish the job and give everyone the houses. I hate companies getting away with stuff and by the looks of it even in a communist dictatorship there could be a bailout, which is not good at all. I hate companies getting away with stuff and people are getting nothing in return. So, the best way to handle this would be giving everyone the houses they paid for, even if they paid less than what they should so far and not the whole thing, just give people the houses because that is already a good thing for the public, and then let the company bankrupt, call it even and not ask for more debt from the owners. That way you have a company that got away with being bad without paying any debt, a public that has a lot more people with houses and a government that would be applauded for doing it. I believe the bond holders holding the debt issued by Evergrande would not be the priority of the CCP. The priority would only be those people who already paid, to be getting their houses, which might make the CCP print less Yuan. But would the CCP want an era of economic stagnation? CCP - “PRINT THE MONEY”, BRRR!
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Maybe I'm missing something, but to me it looks like a government bailout is pretty much possible, considering that China's GDP was around 102 trillion Yuan (16 trillion USD) in 2020, and estimated to be even higher this year.
I think this "Chinese Communist Party mouthpiece", the Global Times
should shut the f*ck up, and the Chinese government should deal with the situation.
If there is a domino effect, then the Chinese government will certainly put up a bailout umbrella if it has not already been activated. Evergrande has 300 billion in debt, according to official figures. Part of this can certainly be covered by the assets. The rest would then be no problem for the government to settle. In Europe, there was a much larger bailout in 2010-2014. The problem is rather the shadow banking system, where nobody knows who is involved and whether the debts are in reality much higher. A comparison with Lehman is wrong in my opinion, because the situation is different. China will produce an “ACT” that makes it “LOOK” like it will not do a bail-out, but it will have no other choice and the CCP will actually do the bail-out. I’m very confident that China’s government will BRRR-print the Yuan on 2022. Yep. In fact, Evergrande is too big to fail, indeed, and CCP knows it. And printing Yuan more than usually maybe will not be necessary. I mean, they are printing it all the time, and in a country that big, it goes almost unnoticeable. That's how people close to power become billionaires in such regimes: they convert newly printed local money to hard currencies before the exchange rate will start declining. Or the CCP could have best of both situations, maintain their reputation and save the economy. They let Evergrande crash as a company, but pump money in to save housing projects and developments for the people who already paid for their houses. The CCP could also do what the Bank of Japan did, become the largest owner of their nation’s companies. PRINT MONEY, BUY EVERYTHING.
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Yes all of us does not want to become empty handed. Yes buy low, sell high. Simple but difficult especially to beginners because the time to enter and exit the market is not easy to determine. Anyway, I have checked bitcoin price yesterday and I notice that the price is good and is high. For those who bought last bitcoin last month, and still holding right now, congratulations you already gain profit. I hope bitcoin price continue to go up high until the end of this year. Buy the DIP, and HODL. If this currently ROTTEN financial system exists through as a multi-generational “arrangement” to make the rich richer, and the poor poorer, then something must exist as a multi-generational hedge as a fall back/back up.
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People who bought the last dip are just enjoying their time now. Because the market is on a very big rise as Bitcoin price reached $55k today. Everything happened very suddenly. Bitcoin price went up to $55k from $52k in only five minutes according to Coinmarketcap. That is just insane. I hope that we are in a bull run and this increase can continue for a long time period.
Obviously it's a great move for Bitcoin but I think price will drop again before ending this year. There will be a chance again to fill our portfolio. I hope we'll be able to see a new ATH for Bitcoin at the beginning of next year. I believe it would depend on which billionaire who wants to sell before the end of the year, IF there’s such a HODLer-billionaire. Most of them came in during this current bull cycle, and they came to HODL, not BUY and SODL. If many plebs sell because they think the price will drop again, then the billionaires will bid them all out.
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Where can we see any monthly/daily graphs/data on the usage of the Lightning Network? I want actual, regular usage/utility that would give good reasons for its own existence. Where is Lightning adopted, and how much transaction volume?
there are sites like 1ml.com or amboss.space. but the problem with these statistics is, that they are always wrong in telling you how much the actual usage is, cause by design no one knows how much a channel is actually used (except the two parties who opened the channel of course) as far as adaption goes, you could look into el salvador. they adopted bitcoin as legal tender and are using the lightning network (besides onchain payments). mcdonalds and burger king (just to name two unhealthy but known businesses... ) and others accept payments over lightning nowdamn, n0nce was faster... McDonalds? Burger King? I believe I’m in Bitcoin Land long enough to determine, and say that the Lightning Network has NOT been plentifully been adopted, because simply, not many users are wanting it over onchain transactions, and there’s almost no high volume Bitcoin services/exchanges that accept it.
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Leave OP alone now, after five pages of this topic, and ask a moderator to lock it. If he doesn’t understand why censorship-resistance, Bitcoin’s main value proposition, has value or is valued, then I believe we should neither encourage nor discourage OP. Do you think OP leave without having an idea what is the real value of bitcoin? I’m very confident that OP will leave WITH having an idea that the “real value” of Bitcoin is what the open market determines what that real value is. Because of Bitcoin’s value proposition as a censorship-resistant cryptocurrency, as a hedge/fall back/back up to the current financial system, as an asset for self-sovereignty, and partly for speculation.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but to me it looks like a government bailout is pretty much possible, considering that China's GDP was around 102 trillion Yuan (16 trillion USD) in 2020, and estimated to be even higher this year.
I think this "Chinese Communist Party mouthpiece", the Global Times
should shut the f*ck up, and the Chinese government should deal with the situation.
If there is a domino effect, then the Chinese government will certainly put up a bailout umbrella if it has not already been activated. Evergrande has 300 billion in debt, according to official figures. Part of this can certainly be covered by the assets. The rest would then be no problem for the government to settle. In Europe, there was a much larger bailout in 2010-2014. The problem is rather the shadow banking system, where nobody knows who is involved and whether the debts are in reality much higher. A comparison with Lehman is wrong in my opinion, because the situation is different. China will produce an “ACT” that makes it “LOOK” like it will not do a bail-out, but it will have no other choice and the CCP will actually do the bail-out. I’m very confident that China’s government will BRRR-print the Yuan on 2022.
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Now we all have seen that Bitcoin reacted really well to the recent events, especially China's cryptos ban and Evergrande's crisis.
THEN that’s all we need to know. It’s showing everyone, both HODLers, and HATErs, that Satoshi’s thesis is working in practice. The billionaires are HODLing as a hedge to what I believe will be hyper-inflation. Will Jerome Powell be a Volker? I believe there’s no man in the Fed today who would do what Volker did.
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Leave OP alone now, after five pages of this topic, and ask a moderator to lock it. If he doesn’t understand why censorship-resistance, Bitcoin’s main value proposition, has value or is valued, then I believe we should neither encourage nor discourage OP.
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Shower thought, are the Lightning Network developers trying to build something that a majority of people in the whole cryptocurrency community doesn’t want? It has been years and years of development, growth of LN is there, but merchants, services, especially exchanges are very SLOW to adopt it. In fact, almost non-existent.
you seem to be not up-to-date. although you're right, the cryptocurrency community probably wants something else like gambling, lying, loosing money and so on Hahaha. You’re being sarcastic, but what you just posted is UNIRONICALLY TRUE. Shower thought, are the Lightning Network developers trying to build something that a majority of people in the whole cryptocurrency community doesn’t want? It has been years and years of development, growth of LN is there, but merchants, services, especially exchanges are very SLOW to adopt it. In fact, almost non-existent.
No, that's wrong. Everyone wants or will want it, since it allows them to send BTC faster and cheaper. It certainly took many years to get to a well-working state; remember how just few years ago, everyone who was actually using it on mainnet was in the 'reckless club' and expecting to lose some funds sooner or later It's technologically quite tricky and the protocol and implementation had to be thoroughly thought through and tested before the large audience could be tackled. It hasn't been until very recently that LN was really marketed towards the average Joe, so I am sure adoption will rise exponentially. Merchants and services do usually offer Lightning; it's made very easy through software like https://btcpayserver.org/. Exchanges not yet; I suspect to collect more fees. Especially when we see exchanges charging 25 bucks to withdraw BTC, while a 1sat/vB tx costs 0.08€ to send, it becomes clear they are making big gains on those withdrawals. If people ask, they just point to BTC and say it's because BTC is just so expensive to send, while it's not actually true. They also simply don't actually want people to withdraw, because then people trade more, thus paying more fees to the exchange. And of course if holding custody of peoples' keys, the exchange can do an exit scam at any time. Finally, LN makes it easy and cheap to withdraw; both of which are quite bad for exchanges and also i.e. gambling sites. Where can we see any monthly/daily graphs/data on the usage of the Lightning Network? I want actual, regular usage/utility that would give good reasons for its own existence. Where is Lightning adopted, and how much transaction volume?
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Just checking this now, after the whole FUD, bitcoin marketcap touch $1 trillion again.
Btw, with recent price movements... which ranges would we say to be favorites to win this game? [moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]I believe it’s going to be from buwaytress to DeathAngel. Anyone who will posts and says, “from Wind_FURY to pooya87”, I would welcome to our little club called “The Golden Bulls But Sometimes the 6-Digit Stupid Club”.
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First of all, I suggest don't invest in futures trading because most investors lose their all money when you will open an order at the price of $47000 and buy BTC then if the price will go down and you will select above 5% margin and will not set the stop loss then your position will automatically liquidate and your all funds will be lost, you can do open order long time but if you have more funds and you select minimum margin but you will pay interest per day on your position.
Agree, whether choosing a high or low margin, mostly stop loss is a rare occurrence while burning and liquidation of the entire account is the more received message because at high margin, liquidation is very fast and most participants do very little calculation of their position, almost consider the amount as a tuition for fun and entertainment. For low margin, subjectivity is a bad side but also a good side, good here includes in position and psychology, few people think that position can be burned but the accident does not spare anyone, such a low is also stuck with an extremely long pillar on the candlestick chart, betray our prediction If the person who is “trading” actually knows that he’s actually gambling, and has a higher probabilty of getting stop-hunted/liquidated by the whales, then I believe it’s OK. Who are we but mere plebs to tell him/her how to use his money. But I will always encourage everyone to HODL.
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If you need help in futures trading, then you should not be futures trading, simple as that. The simplest fact is that if you do high leverage and the price goes against what direction you wagered on (and yes you wager this, not invest, it is total gambling) then you will be liquidated, which means all of your order will be gone and you will lose all of that money.
High leverage is highly risky, but your comment is opposed to 1x leverage which means no leverage, you will be able to go short or long but with your own funds. But leveraging is what is risky. But the reason many people are trading on future trading is because they want to leverage which is highly risky. If you don’t want to use leverage, then why trade using futures at all? Trade, withdraw, and hold the Bitcoins in your wallet. Less risk. OP, trade perpetual futures, you can stay in the trade for years as long as you do not get liquidated. My advice, use leverage wisely.
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Shower thought, are the Lightning Network developers trying to build something that a majority of people in the whole cryptocurrency community doesn’t want? It has been years and years of development, growth of LN is there, but merchants, services, especially exchanges are very SLOW to adopt it. In fact, almost non-existent.
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Bitcoin back to $50,000. Should I say it?
Say it. Because you will buy more of it? LOOK! Merely thinking of saying it is making Bitcoin react in the way that I, and everyone else, do not like. It hears me, It reads my mind, I must not say it, or think of saying it.
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