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2421  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Something Like This Happen To You on: June 08, 2022, 12:06:51 PM
Call it a day after losing 1/4 of the profit againGrin

Kind of my traditional way of thinking when I am playing card games, dice, or any type of game that is played fast. I know I will lose because like you said, the house will always win it back. But there's a choice to not let them take everything.

The temptation will pull you back and you cannot stop it. Let it pull you but just for just a little amount and have the mindset that after losing it you will stop. If it wins more and reached your quota then do the same.


I believe from the "house's" standpoint, the people who regularly gamble are simply in one long gambling session in their balance sheets. From their point of view, if you keep coming back, you're just holding your winnings in your wallet temporarily for the day. You're only a real winner against the house if you win then truly stop gambling, OR you keep coming back for the casino to continue tallying your wins and loses.
2422  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Something Like This Happen To You on: June 08, 2022, 10:12:10 AM
All of us who gamble know how much that could be tempting whenever you are betting, and you are winning. You might think that you are the King of the World or something like that. To that extent, it would seem impossible to be taken down not until you lose it all. I know I have experienced that.

Experienced players probably would limit themselves to a certain amount on their balance and just continue another day. I have experienced this, and it's effective. Just have limits, and I think you would be okay.


"Just have limits" is very easy to follow if you're winning or losing little by little "slowly", giving your brain time to properly process everything. But if you have a losing streak right at the first 10 minutes of the game, reaching your budget limit immediately/making you emotional, I believe it would enough stress to make plebs like us to break that rule. Cool
2423  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New York's push to ban crypto mining on: June 08, 2022, 09:59:21 AM
here is another perspective..

lets use the scenario of the 2014 bit licence and also the 1900's alcohol prohibition..

if something is previously open and has no laws. a government cant just offer licences/permits to it.. they first need to outlaw/ban/prohibit it. .. to then bring it into their purview (jurisdiction) to then set terms of use in their licence/permits which hey can later sell/offer.

i dont see this as a "permanent ban" scenario.. i see this as phase one of establishing a permit/licencing scheme


Good point, but what if "the prohibition" isn't as short as 1900's alcohol prohibition? What if they, and many others like "they", make it a long "mining prohibition" as a strategy to weaken the network/protocol/technology that could weaken them?

i think you mean.. what if the prohibition is not as short as the bitlicence (literally hours with pre planned deadline)

where they done a scheme where they banned exchanging in new york after X date.. but months prior told businesses to get prepared and apply for a licence which became active hours after the date.. thus it felt like (for those businesses that applied for licence) as if there was no ban, no delay of service.

i do not see this as being that short(hours) .. but i also do not see this as being as long (over decade) as the 'prohibition' of 1920-1933


To put it in another context, 13 years is "short" for "a prohibition" of something like alcohol. Because compare it with Marijuana "prohibition", how long has it been?

Bitcoin being a technological development that can weaken political strongholds, I believe the government can take their "prohibition" for as long as possible.

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i see this as a upto 2 year delay/halt.. with a looming 'threat' where mining is could be permanently banned will be made.. after the 2 year period is up..

but within the two year "delay/halt" they will introduce licences for mining companies that can prove the source of their power is renewable to be active by the end of the 2 year delay/halt period(or sooner).. giving the government upto 2 years to set up the licence application department and regulations departments to over see mining operations.
(it takes time to train new staff in new tech, so dont expect licences being offered in the next few months)

after all if it was just a temporary thing. where 'open/unlicenced uncontrolled mining was allowed after 2 years. mining farms wont care about wanting to legitimise themselves to comply with any temporary delay/halt

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NY state(local government) used to entice companies in via tax breaks and grants.. this way instead of giving real money away or avoid taking money away from treasury.. they can invent a new 'product'(licence) that comes at a huge fee when they dont want the business as much. and offer discounts/free licences when they want the business.. that way they can control how much mining comes into NY using up the renewable excess capacity, further controlling how much mining happens in NY

(.. all this is my opinion based on what a savvi business man would do if he was a politician)


It's possible that they only truly want proper regulation, but that's still an optimistic viewpoint. I don't trust them. They don't want Bitcoin, and probably wished it never existed.
2424  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New York's push to ban crypto mining on: June 07, 2022, 11:13:40 AM
here is another perspective..

lets use the scenario of the 2014 bit licence and also the 1900's alcohol prohibition..

if something is previously open and has no laws. a government cant just offer licences/permits to it.. they first need to outlaw/ban/prohibit it. .. to then bring it into their purview (jurisdiction) to then set terms of use in their licence/permits which hey can later sell/offer.

i dont see this as a "permanent ban" scenario.. i see this as phase one of establishing a permit/licencing scheme


Good point, but what if "the prohibition" isn't as short as 1900's alcohol prohibition? What if they, and many others like "they", make it a long "mining prohibition" as a strategy to weaken the network/protocol/technology that could weaken them?

The cartelization, and specialization of mining which brought massive hashing power, making the network robust, is also an attack vector.

Thus regulating the BTC miners which "they" might have some rules in the end how and who are the people allowed to mine BTC. This is really not making the cryptocurrency as a whole a decentralized system. Interesting things might happen in the near future as to who's running this show.


Force rules upon the miners that if a transaction came from "nefarious" sources, miners in the state should not include them in their blocks. That's censorship at the protocol level that should never ever be accepted by the community. There is simply no trade-off acceptable.
2425  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New York's push to ban crypto mining on: June 07, 2022, 07:35:12 AM
here is another perspective..

lets use the scenario of the 2014 bit licence and also the 1900's alcohol prohibition..

if something is previously open and has no laws. a government cant just offer licences/permits to it.. they first need to outlaw/ban/prohibit it. .. to then bring it into their purview (jurisdiction) to then set terms of use in their licence/permits which hey can later sell/offer.

i dont see this as a "permanent ban" scenario.. i see this as phase one of establishing a permit/licencing scheme


Good point, but what if "the prohibition" isn't as short as 1900's alcohol prohibition? What if they, and many others like "they", make it a long "mining prohibition" as a strategy to weaken the network/protocol/technology that could weaken them?

The cartelization, and specialization of mining which brought massive hashing power, making the network robust, is also an attack vector.
2426  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Something Like This Happen To You on: June 07, 2022, 07:11:16 AM
I'm quite rational in this respect and I don't get carried away because I'm on a winning streak, or a losing streak for that matter. I think a lot of people put too much hope in gambling and then get carried away and lose too many chasing losses or end up losing what they had won because they didn't stop in time. Not understanding the underlying mathematics also contributes to this.


I believe that shouldn't be considered an absolute, because if there was such a pleb who NEVER got carried away, he/she would be like an emotionless robot. It's simply impossible in my opinion. I am also very confident that a big losing streak in the beginning of a gambling session would, without question, break many people's emotional limit.
2427  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Something Like This Happen To You on: June 07, 2022, 05:41:18 AM
Every time I gamble my objective is once I hit a good shot in a single game I will stop playing and this call for a day because I know not all the time has a good profit of course this is the time we become too much greedy that we want to earn more.


Because you might be a normal person, not a regular gambler who finds themselves in a casino every day for the whole day. I believe more than 80% of people who "gamble" are mere plebs like you and me, the rest are those real gamblers.

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If you have self-awareness and consciousness you can make control yourself when is your limit already always set a plan if you have a lot of money to wage and do not interfere with the amount go for the endless game but if not make a plan.


That sometimes depends on the person, and how much he/she is betting in the game. It's not very different from trading, "don't trade more than the amount you want to lose".

2428  Economy / Gambling / Re: Blackjack.fun | 0.28% House edge | Live tables | Baccarat |Slots| InstantWithraw on: June 07, 2022, 05:08:30 AM
still down for me. Two players have made it in to wager but have not used to chat box to explain how. No contact from Admin


The site is now currenty up, but expect and assume some connectivity issues to avoid disappointment for the time being. The site connection is OK though, fast and the page renders quick in the browser.


does anyone thinks they finally snap?  seem very surprising because they didn't show telltale sign.


Snap? I believe casinos and many other gambling services are the most profitable businesses/companies in Bitcoin Land once they are bootstrapped with regular users. It's almost impossible for them to "snap" unless it's very mismanaged, or have problems with the government.
2429  Economy / Gambling / Re: Blackjack.fun | 0.28% House edge | Live tables | Baccarat |Slots| InstantWithraw on: June 06, 2022, 12:10:15 PM
fiulpro posted an interesting concept about NFT Slot Machines, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5400899.0

Can a concept like it be built within a Bitcoin casino like Blackjack.Fun? I believe NFT collecting through games can be turned into a more sustainable hobby than betting money away. It would also make the same users keep coming back to the site, creating a dedicated community of collectors.
Could it be? Yes, but will it be? I do not think so. There is really no reason to do something like that because it will not really be worthy of the profit they could make.

The biggest concern of any business in the world would be to make a profit, and even if you could make a profit with something, if it is not enough then it makes no sense. Think about it this way, if you spent 6 months working on something, and it gives you 10 bucks per month, would you do it? I would not do it even if it paid me 10 bucks per month forever until I die, it just doesn't worth 6 months of my time. So, it is not even just about spending money, even spending time matters in this situation.


But if the company can build something within the business to make the users keep coming back, and also make the business more engaging for new users, and cause them to also keep coming back, then it would make good sense for the company to do it as an opportunity to introduce them to the site.

Plus I DISCOVERED BLACKJACK TOURNAMENT FREEROLLS! Cool
2430  Economy / Gambling / Re: Question for regular casino players. Will you use Lightning if available? on: June 06, 2022, 11:52:32 AM
As debated, what if a casino, or an exchange was built on top of Lightning and offered NO KYC as a unique selling proposition? I believe it might be something many people in the community would like.

I get what you're saying but why is No KYC the proposition for Lightning and not for on-chain? If an exchange or casino is regulated, it won't matter if they're using Layer 1/2/3 or whatever, they can't promise no KYC.

Maybe I'm not understanding why this also helps sell L2 though. When L1 already by default doesn't need KYC, that's been the entire USP of using on-chain non custodial services...


You didn't understand, or didn't get neither the context nor the point. Are you familiar with the TRUE ON-CHAIN casino called DirectBet?

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“DirectBet revolutionized the way sports betting is done with crypto currencies. We came out with a unique approach where you don’t need to create an account and deposit to place a bet. Instead, winnings are sent back directly to your wallet, instantly and within minutes of the result. At DirectBet, your coins are kept safe in your wallet under your control while they are not in a wager.

https://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/reviews/directbet/


But because as the network became more congested, blocks full, fees high, it became impractical to use DirectBet. BUT, what if a casino like DirectBet was built on top of the Lightning Network? I believe it might also attract, and give users an incentive to use Lightning.
2431  Economy / Economics / Re: Food crisis coming? What's wrong about it? It could be good on: June 06, 2022, 05:25:38 AM
There was more police in the streets, though. Not sure why.
The more I read your posts the more convinced I am that you are underage.
There are there because over the past couple of months there has been a lot of protests around Europe. In France for example after the election last month there were mass protests around the country, they killed a dozen people and it stopped. Same in UK, Germany, Spain, Italy, Slovakia, Ireland, Poland, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Hungary, Romania... These are the ones I could find on the internet and they are mainly about fuel and transport costs and some of them extended to rising food cost.

Very stupid guess about my age, because you could have checked I registered on this board more than 9 years ago... Actually, I think I'm one of the oldest here, but I'm not the subject. I've been through 6 countries of the list you gave, this Spring (yes, I travel a lot), and this is what I've noticed. In one supermarket in France, there was no more pasta, but I went to another one, and everything was normal. In one supermarket in Italy, there was a sign telling not to buy more than 3 bottles of oil. That's about it.

The medias are always over reacting, just like markets, and people get scared, but there's no reason to panic, yet. At least in rich countries.


It's not about being in "rich countries". That's another laughable post. You can lose your job while living in a "rich country" with a higher cost of living, no? It's not at that phase of the recession yet, nor is it even considered a recession. But it will go to that point in time that you might be "OK", but your neighbor isn't and WILL be in panic because he/she is being evicted, with no savings, and all bills.
2432  Economy / Economics / Re: The Fed's purpose of "QT" or Quantitative Tightening. on: June 06, 2022, 05:10:50 AM
Bull run in 2023? Not so soon though I think. That'll be too little pain to bear (laughs+cries).

I believe not a bull run, QE and bail outs, and the bullish effects of that will start several months after when the money/liquidity starts going around the economy.

Yeah, we're mid-way through the year, just months into the winter, so even if 2023 Q4 is the bull run, that's far too short a bear period -- given that we had a whole year of rally just behind us.


It might not be the bull run, but it might be the bottom it will probably be around the part of the cycle when the Fed might start QE/BRRRRR-Money-Print again.

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Also that the next halving probably needs to be factored into the timing (the rally doesn't come with it but only about a year after it).


The halving has never been priced in before that actual event. Bitcoin has always surged weeks after it. I learned not to play the devil's advocate, the hard way.

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Really need the economy to "realise" it's bad though. May job reports was another higher-than expected month in the US so we're again presented with false bits of hope like that.


It will "realise" it in its own time. The Fed is using all its tools to be sure of it.
2433  Economy / Economics / Re: The Fed's purpose of "QT" or Quantitative Tightening. on: June 04, 2022, 11:55:18 AM
QT is merely an act for the Fed to control demand by removing cash/liquidity from the financial system. But before the people feel the real effects of QT, what will happen is, your savings will diminsh because of inflation, then as inflation is felt by companies through increasing expenditures, job lay-offs after another will happen. It's already starting. Tesla will fire 10% of its work-force, Coinbase has also started laying off some employees. Plus with less liquidity, some of these big banks/companies WILL start to FAIL. What would then the Fed do? START QE BRRRRR-MONEY-PRINTING AGAIN, AND BAIL OUT THESE COMPANIES! WAIT FOR IT IN 2023, OR 2024! New Bull Cycle after that. Cool

Boom and bust is a natural economic cycle that has existed in free markets since they began. It is like the sun rising and the sun setting. What you are describing with quantitative easing and quantitative tightening is government meddling in that process which usually ends up going wrong at some point. Quantitative easing, like you say, floods the market with cheap money which occurred after the financial crisis all the way back in 2008, it was jolt to bring the economy back to life which was helpful at the time. However giving away cheap money keeps people happy and makes it easier for politicians. It should have ended after a couple years, with maybe the next ten years paying back the original overspending to balance the budget. They left the money tap on for far too long though and just ended up blowing the balloon up for a bigger burst next time around.


But the pandemic forced the Fed to print money to keep the economy chug along, or a recession would happen. The Fed will do whatever it could to "balance" the economy. If they're doing a good job, or not, is another debate altogether. Currently, the Fed needs to increase interest rates and QT, the U.S. Federal Government needs to increase taxes to draw money out of the system, control demand, and lower inflation. The Fed will not stop until a big company, or a big bank, or the money market "breaks".
2434  Economy / Economics / Re: The Fed's purpose of "QT" or Quantitative Tightening. on: June 04, 2022, 09:40:05 AM
It is almost impossible to predict the Fed’s policies in the coming period, especially during the second and third quarters of this year, but it seems that we will face it.

Either consider inflation as the problem and start withdrawing liquidity and raising interest rates, or trying to accelerate the economy to push it away from recession as the main problem.


Ser, a RECESSION is what the Fed wants to contol demand. They literally want U.S. plebs out of savings, and laid off from their jobs. If they accelerate the economy by injecting liquidity it would risk Hyperinflation.

This is literally the kind of manipulation that motivated Satoshi to build Bitcoin.

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In any case, we are facing a state of uncertainty and therefore a lot of markets will be very turbulent during the next few months, and some random variables such as closings in China, food and energy situation will complicate a lot of calculations.

Therefore, you cannot say that the scenario you mentioned will come true.


It will come true. It's in their "instruction" manual. Cool

Yeah, we've all seen this before haven't we? Our parents have seen it before really, and since the 1970s was in the generation they were born in, even our grandparents have seen it before.

Don't even need to look so far away from home, in my tiny enclave in Southeast Asia it's the same old cycles of banking problems, followed by fiat printing, interest hikes, and relentless bailouts. Our most famous CEOs, politicians, corporate moguls have all bankrupted several times in the past decades. Whereas for the regular joe, bankruptcy is the end of adult life, for them it's a chance to give speeches about how they had to fail 10 times to succeed finally.

Bull run in 2023? Not so soon though I think. That'll be too little pain to bear (laughs+cries).


I believe not a bull run, QE and bail outs, and the bullish effects of that will start several months after when the money/liquidity starts going around the economy.
2435  Economy / Economics / The Fed's purpose of "QT" or Quantitative Tightening. on: June 04, 2022, 06:53:29 AM
QT is merely an act for the Fed to control demand by removing cash/liquidity from the financial system. But before the people feel the real effects of QT, what will happen is, your savings will diminsh because of inflation, then as inflation is felt by companies through increasing expenditures, job lay-offs after another will happen. It's already starting. Tesla will fire 10% of its work-force, Coinbase has also started laying off some employees. Plus with less liquidity, some of these big banks/companies WILL start to FAIL. What would then the Fed do? START QE BRRRRR-MONEY-PRINTING AGAIN, AND BAIL OUT THESE COMPANIES! WAIT FOR IT IN 2023, OR 2024! New Bull Cycle after that. Cool
2436  Economy / Economics / Re: Food crisis coming? What's wrong about it? It could be good on: June 04, 2022, 06:38:52 AM
I've read a few articles explaining that a food crisis is coming, I want to tell you something about it. There will be no food crisis for me.
Price of pasta, price of cooking oil, rice or meat will increase 20%? 30%?

That's all right. I don't care much. I can handle it, just like most people in developed countries. We don't spend much on food, increasing that budget by a third is perfectly fine.


Laughable post. I believe you don't truly understand its direct connection with the whole economy in general. Higher prices of food, a basic need, will also mean higher prices of "many other things". Higher prices of "many other things", including fuel/energy prices will also mean less savings for you, AND the company you're working under will have higher monthly expenditures, which will also mean job lay-offs.
2437  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin Is Legal Tender in El Salvador, Here’s How It’s Going on: June 03, 2022, 10:30:50 AM
I imagine that we all had very high expectations in this respect, but on reflection, El Salvador does not seem to be a country where the population in general is massively adapted to new technologies, so it is normal that bitcoin adoption is slower despite being legal tender. If we add to that the volatility and the fact that the price has not gone as well as many of us expected, I think it is normal for things to be slow.

Regarding the Chivo wallet downloads, I think this has already been discussed in another thread. It is normal for them to decrease, as the population of El Salvador is finite and once practically everyone has downloaded the APP, it is normal for downloads to decrease.


Or simply, many of them don't need it. The situation of an ordinary El Salvadorian person might be not the same as the situation of Mr. Heroine Dealer in the Dark Market who's looking for the most efficient way to transact anonymously with his clients. Plus Bitcoin might not be for mere personal finance. It might be something for much more.
2438  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC Sentiment Poll for June on: June 03, 2022, 10:07:48 AM
I voted yes. Zoomed out to the maximum, I'm very bullish. Bitcoin is currently in a super cycle, BUT within that cycle, there are bearish cycles. 2018 and 2019 were part of a bearish cycle, and 2022 and 2023 will also be part of another bearish cycle.

Well many were expecting this month to be bearish because it’s when QT starts. However you need to understand that it was priced in a long time ago.

Look at the yields, everything is already priced in. So keep in mind when it’s very obvious that something is bearish and everyone is bearish the complete opposite can happen. That’s usually how the markets are. That’s why there are many bottom shorters and top longers out there.


We cannot be sure of that. Plebs like us should understand that rate hikes and QT's effects are not felt immediately. It will take time, and once something "breaks", the Fed will reverse its policy and start lowering rates/start QE again to bail out those banks and large companies that "broke".

That's only in the U.S., in the E.U. I believe their own rate hikes and QT are only starting.
2439  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Observer on: June 03, 2022, 05:06:27 AM
What if NO KYC services built directly on top were the value proposition of Lightning? Many people in the community don't like KYC, no? Would that help onboard more users?

Absolutely. For me, Lightning is about cheap and fast payments as well as privacy. It's definitely possible that you also have legal advantages when building something fully off-chain instead of using on-chain payments, but I'm not sure about that.

In general, it's been proven that crypto-only casinos are easier to run long-term and I believe it's actually the standard model today. I may be wrong, though, since I'm not a big betting man.


I believe that we have only started to scratch the surface with "what Lightning is". It might not be merely for cheap/fast payments as originally advertised. Bitcoin was first conceptualized to be a "Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System" too, but obviously it has become much more as we started going deeper in understanding of what it can truly be.

Shower thought, NO KYC exchanges built on Lightning, with NO KYC as the value proposition. Is this possible?
2440  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Lightning Network Observer on: June 02, 2022, 12:27:41 PM
Shower thought. I saw this roulette game built on top of Lightning, https://lightning-roulette.com/

NO KYC, No registration required, No privacy-leak risks. It's just the casino, you, and the Lightning Network. It's like DirectBet, but off-chain. What if NO KYC services built directly on top were the value proposition of Lightning? Many people in the community don't like KYC, no? Would that help onboard more users?
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