You lash out in ignorance of the truth; his name was Emmanuel, it was changed by Paul; the doctrine of Paul is very different from the teachings of Emmanuel.


Like I said...

If you are telling me that someone else has taken responsibility for me, then you are promoting a deceptive trick of the adversary. Atheists and fundamentalists both reject responsibility for destroying the sickness within self and facing their own failures.

If you are telling me that someone else has taken responsibility for me, then you are promoting a deceptive trick of the adversary. Atheists and fundamentalists both reject responsibility for destroying the sickness within self and facing their own failures.

"Jesus" never once suggested that he was my savior.

If the Official Doctrine of Hell was so important to Jesus Emmanuel himself (like it is to so many fundamentalists), why didn't Jesus Emmanuel explicitly say that one must believe in him and accept him as one’s “personal savior” to get to “heaven” while he was alive over and over again?

Could it be that Emmanuel was open in his teachings and he did not specify that he was my savior because it was simply not the case? See: http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/15353/did-jesus-actually-ever-say-if-you-dont-believe-in-me-you-go-to-hel

Many Christians believe that the Christ path is available exclusively to those who believe in Jesus. But that is an interpretation of the Gospels, not the direct statement of the Gospels themselves.

The disinformation spreads quickly in this day and age; anyone can bury the mind of Man in total garbage or, worse, deceive Man into believing he must have interpreters and go-betweens, authorities other than self and "saviors" to take his burden and "save even his soul".

You are on your own with God and when you come before God on that confrontation and evaluation of self and Knowledge--you will find the measure to be that which you have "learned" in Truth and the actions of the manifested physical experience. Where will YOU fit? It is up to you for God is total allowance and you will do that which you will.

When you break free of the indoctrination of established religions, strict rules and regulations, unnecessary ceremonies and ritualistic practices then you can fully develop your personal relationship with God, which is then 100% comfortable. Live your life with love and kindness in your heart, not hate or anger... then shall you be on the road to Paradise.

Many Christians believe that Jesus is their savior and justify this by faith, not realizing that Jesus never once suggested that he was my savior; such believers should make better use of their reasoning faculties. I value good actions more than faith. Man is a creature of reason, so it is good to use reason when debating facts; it is too bad that so few are aware of the evidence of the afterlife or else we would have far more reasoned discussion about these topics; I feel that this evidence can be used to prove the existence of a supreme being, and help show the way to atheists. Some atheists have so much "faith" in their own worldview that they prejudicially dismiss all evidence of life-after-death and thus behave irrationally. Faith seems to be an irrational and dogmatic state of mind, so I will instead advise the seeker to read it ALL and then decide in wisdom of knowledge.

See: http://www.near-death.com/evidence.html


I was once an atheist, so if I had been deserving of death then, and was killed, then I would never have been redeemed.
Also, if you say "atheists should die", then there must be someone to do the killing. This is not God's will because God does not destroy. When you say "this is the will of the Father, this is the will of God, this is a theological conclusion", you have to realize that it is coming from within you, for that is where God resides.

Atheists attack others instead of facing their own failures. This is not so for atheists who have grown spiritually, so not all atheists hate religion.

It is quoted; please check.

Please read more carefully next time.

"No one can properly understand any part of a thing till he has read through the whole again and again".
--Latin Maxim of Law

I am not off-topic...

Man, in general, is kept enslaved to his cult's Initiation. Atheists have difficulty considering new paradigms, so they wrongly dismiss the extensive evidence for rebirth; you can see that no atheist has rationally responded to the 52 points of evidence supporting life-after-death which I linked to.

A most predominant characteristic of the behavior of the evil person is the constant scapegoating. In other words, the evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Spiritual growth requires the acknowledgment of one's need to grow [in forgiveness, love, truth, etc]. If you cannot make that acknowledgment, you have no option except to attempt to eradicate the evidence of your imperfection.

Incredible as it may appear, evil people are often destructive to unlimited extents because they are actually attempting to “destroy” evil. The problem, of course, is that they misplace the focus and locus of the evil. Instead of destroying others they should be destroying the sickness within self. As life often threatens their false self-image of perfection, they are most often busily engaged in hating and destroying that life--usually in the name of righteousness.

So where does the adversary get its power? The answer, chelas [students], is from YOU!
You have "allowed" the adversary to intimidate you, and when you became "afraid", you gave the adversary your GOD-POWER. He controls you though your perceived "separation" from God.

GOD is all-compassionate LOVE and MERCY. It is the adversary who seeks punishment and is absolutely merciless! You who have allowed yourselves to be ruled by the adversary WILL PUNISH SELF AND BLAME GOD EVERY TIME!

So, to grow spiritually, you must love truth, love others, and be responsible for self. Forgiveness and mercy must begin within SELF since that is where GOD resides. That is to say: Forgiveness is between you and God, not anyone else. YOU MUST PETITION GOD WITHIN YOU TO GUIDE, PROTECT AND SUSTAIN YOU WITH LOVE AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE POWER OF YOUR WILL AND HIS WILL AS ONE!

I don't think you have understood me. You should consider that the Kingdom of God is within you, then you can understand that forgiveness comes from within, since that is where God resides; God IS ALL-FORGIVING MERCY, and you will not shift the responsibility to someone else.

The priest/pope/prophet is not YOUR savior. YOU are your Savior. And the good news is YOU will EARN your way into God's Grace by standing responsible for self and obeying THE LAWS OF GOD/CREATION.


So, I think you are mistaken; please try to understand me first, so that we can agree on whether or not what you said here is true.

Ah, but are those the words of Emmanuel or the words of the author John? And is Jesus referring to his being or his Oneness with God ("Christ Knowing")? How do these passages compare to the other gospels?

Take a close look at those answers, especialy the first one; I am sure you will learn something; it would be wise to consider that both "heaven" and "hell" as they are traditionally conceived (as eternal, external states of being) are, in actuality, inner states of mind or soul that are generated by actions [not beliefs] in this life. In short, perhaps these notions are only metaphors. Matthew 7:17-21 refutes the notion that mere faith suffices for entrance into the kingdom of heaven.

Also on that page you will find:
There are many people in the Old Testament that the bible indicates were considered righteous - Abel, Enoch, Noah, Melchizidech, Abraham, and so on.

Finally, consider the evidence of Emmanuel's words; again, quoting from the first answer to the SE question:

If the Official Doctrine of Hell was so important to Jesus himself (like it is to so many fundamentalists), why didn't Jesus explicitly say that one must believe in him and accept him as one’s “personal savior” to get to “heaven” while he was alive over and over again?

What a great question! Could it be that Emmanuel was open in his teachings and he did not specify that he was my savior because it was simply not the case?

If you post many times that something is off-topic, maybe you should consider making a new thread or using PM; otherwise your posts just might become the new "on-topic"; just a thought.

Your posts are mistaken; I am correcting them. Emmanuel ("Jesus") taught that God's kingdom is within YOU; therefore,

Forgiveness and mercy must begin within SELF since that is where GOD resides.

Elsewhere in the Bible it states that "ye are gods", so you have to take responsibility for forgiving yourself. No one else can do it for you.

That is debatable.

Look at Matthew 25:31-46, There is nothing at all here about belief. Only about whether or not we serve our fellow human beings who are in need. And that is the sole criteria Jesus gives in this story about who will go to heaven (eternal life) and who will go to hell (eternal punishment).

http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/15353/did-jesus-actually-ever-say-if-you-dont-believe-in-me-you-go-to-hell

YOU DESIRE GOD'S MERCY AND FORGIVENESS? THEN YOU MUST PETITION GOD WITHIN YOU TO GUIDE, PROTECT AND SUSTAIN YOU WITH LOVE AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE POWER OF YOUR WILL AND HIS WILL AS ONE!

God IS ALL-FORGIVING MERCY. So then, chelas [students], forgiveness and mercy must begin within SELF since that is where GOD resides.

The adversary will dissolve in its power when confronted by the Divine Holy Power of GOD WITHIN YOU! WHY? Because EVIL is an illusion developed and sustained by MAN. God's Love, Light and Knowledge is ALL that exists. YOU each are fragments of HIS divided thinking. THERE IS NO SEPARATION OF GOD AND WE OF HIS THOUGHT FRAGMENTS, EXCEPT THROUGH THE BELIEF OF SEPARATION EMBRACED BY LIMITED HUMAN SENSING PERCEPTION. So Be it.

http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/j032/

After reading the Book of Jasher, you may find that a lot of the Bible relates to law of exchanges (justice). For example, the book has a record of the first fraudulent mortgage.

Also, consider the Gnostic writings (found at gnosis.org), the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the Phoenix Journal "And they called his name Immanuel: I am Sananda".

The truth is within. Read these book with an open mind and heart and seek the truth of it from God’s source within you. You will then find it.

Many Christians believe that the Christ path is available exclusively to those who believe in Jesus. But that is an interpretation of the Gospels, not the direct statement of the Gospels themselves.

The disinformation spreads quickly in this day and age; anyone can bury the mind of Man in total garbage or, worse, deceive Man into believing he must have interpreters and go-betweens, authorities other than self and "saviors" to take his burden and "save even his soul".

Each being is an aspect of God Himself and there can be no "go-between" for God is ALL and that means that all else is only a "part-of" and, therefore, lesser in the "whole". You are on your own with God and when you come before God on that confrontation and evaluation of self and Knowledge--you will find the measure to be that which you have "learned" in Truth and the actions of the manifested physical experience. Where will YOU fit? It is up to you for God is total allowance and you will do that which you will.

When you break free of the indoctrination of established religions, strict rules and regulations, unnecessary ceremonies and ritualistic practices then you can fully develop your personal relationship with God, which is then 100% comfortable. Live your life with love and kindness in your heart, not hate or anger... then shall you be on the road to Paradise.

Ah, so no answers to my questions, just more evil and lies from you?

And I thought this was about evidence and knowledge (Beliathon) vs. Superstition and ignorance (theism)!  

Why do you direct attention away from the evidence that proves you are wrong? Isn't that deceptive and ignorant?

And instead of addressing the evidence, you just post imagery from the "Prince of Lies"??

 

You are posting Satanic imagery, but do you really know what that is all about?

Evil is “lack of truth and love”--evil cannot create but rather, can only destroy and the tools are YOU!

Man, in general, is kept enslaved to his cult's Initiation. If you have been Initiated into a Satanic cult, I ask that you admit this right away.

A most predominant characteristic of the behavior of the evil person is the constant scapegoating. In other words, the evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Spiritual growth requires the acknowledgment of one's need to grow. If you cannot make that acknowledgment, you have no option except to attempt to eradicate the evidence of your imperfection.

Incredible as it may appear, evil people are often destructive to unlimited extents because they are actually attempting to “destroy” evil. The problem, of course, is that they misplace the focus and locus of the evil. Instead of destroying others they should be destroying the sickness within self. As life often threatens their false self-image of perfection, they are most often busily engaged in hating and destroying that life--usually in the name of righteousness.

I have asked Beliathon to address the 52 points of evidence that support life after death and refute humanism:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1103707.msg12048381#msg12048381

Beliathon failed to respond to the 52 points of evidence.

I am asking atheists to be rational with regards to the evidence; in common parlance this means that one can think clearly and is capable of intelligently assessing new ideas when presented.

Cognitive dissonance, indeed...

Make sure you read the cover story in my link; this anonymous essay exposes key information about how the Elites use economic terrorism via their parallel government.

http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/950307.pdf

This thread is about a serious topic--war; your irony is not welcome in this thread.

Let's pretend that what you said in poor taste is a serious concern; in Tom's signature, the parentheses around "European Union" are not meant to indicate equivalence, but a relation, now you can do some research and figure out that relationship by e.g. recognizing that Draghi is a former Goldman Sachs banker, realizing the connections between E.U. and U.N., etc.
 

Ah, so you are not familiar with how the Elites caused the American Civil War?
Well, consider the history of this nation from the very beginning and you will easily see the pattern:

Source: http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/950307.pdf

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