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341  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 17, 2017, 08:57:42 PM
SatoNatomato, what kind of product are you planning on building?  Smiley
The prototype is on ESP8266, now we move to ESP32 especially for BluetoothLE on it. We have cooperation with a smart home/natural human lightening company to supply them with these connected things, they like the prototype. Next iteration is working with medical/old-people-care-center.

Interesting! Not that I understand much of what you're saying Wink
See here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESP8266 it is used in many IoT products, and has great platform support, SDK is available in Python, Lua, JavaScript, Arduino-like C++, C. The module price is $2 a piece. Amazing isnt it!

Thinger supports it (https://thinger.io/) which then gives also lets your software run on similar things like TI CC3000 and other IoT chips/devices.

The best thing is, it just works! If your thing can make an HTTPS connection (ie it is internet...) than for certain it also has computing power to make transactions with Byteball!  Cool

Now in the medical field you know those FitBit watches people wear? They collect health information which is given to FitBit (cloud) to analyze and sell to others, insurance companies etc. Wouldnt it be nice if you wear a health-watch which sells your health-data to anyone by the price you set?  Shocked  Cool
342  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 17, 2017, 08:36:13 PM
I need some answers.
Please elaborate, this is a new technology and no one really know how byteball DAG works.
1) Who responsible for hardforks? Should witnesses vote on hardfork? Or it's only depends on developers and right repository?
2) Is there a way to prune old transactions from local database and build transactions on some fresh ones? Is it necessary to keep all DAG on a disk?
3) Is there a SPV  wallet? Is it possible to make SPV wallet?
4) Why 12 witnesses, not  1200? From technical point of view, not politics. Is every transaction should carry all witnesses list with it? So transactions will be bigger proportionally to list of witnesses? Or not, and there is no problem to do 1200, 12000 or 1200000 witnesses potentially?
5) Can witnesses change max supply of coins and generate 10000 tb more? If not, who can?
1) Hardforks are inbuilt into DAG, kind of, depends on what you mean. See in Byteball, despite CfBs lies, and unlike Ethereum its possible to grow many "histories" many "chains" at the same time, on different nodes, and these will be part of the Main Chain - ordered according to when they are seen, and they will be included if they do not double-spend. Who decides this ordering and following of "do not double-spend"? Who "sees"? Witnesses! They only see transactions and post their own approvals, stamps.

2) A very efficient and secure Light Client exists. You can keep the DAG in memory today, is only 1.4GB, there is no pruning done, yet storage efficiency can be improved later.

3) Yes, very light, Android app is such by default.

4) 12 is a good selection, too many like 1200 would be difficult for humans to know and replace/talk-about, too little would be easy to collude together. This is one of the few "chosen by gut instincts" variables/constants in Byteball. Yes tx carry witness list, all 12, but can be smaller for efficiency in a witness_list_unit, when the same list is known previously, thus re-shared.

5) There is no proof-of-work and no generation of coins, all are existing and generated in genesis unit, form which distributions take place every full moon.

343  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 17, 2017, 08:28:10 PM
It is by now obvious for everybody, Come-from-Beyond is not here to "reveal my lies" and "protect the naive from scammer" but is here to spread FUD, fear, uncertainty, doubt about Byteball as technology and concept.

He is here to insinuate weaknesses in Byteball, example calling it a blockchain, not scale well, "has blockchain like database problem" etc etc. Latest low effort was to attack the BTC-Oracle example by his opinion of being "overkill".

IOTA investors, take note, this is how low your developer goes. Pull your BTC to safety, the motive of CfB is to claim more of your BTC as "investment" into a failed concept, (IoT does not mix with PoW, is like oil and water) by sneaky attacks on a perceived competitors working, simple yet elegant and marvelous solution.
344  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 17, 2017, 06:40:23 PM
move to point 2 and so on...
Yeah as expected, avoid the facts. What trash you are.

Just like IOTA, trash and a scam.
345  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 17, 2017, 06:38:51 PM
SatoNatomato, what kind of product are you planning on building?  Smiley
The prototype is on ESP8266, now we move to ESP32 especially for BluetoothLE on it. We have cooperation with a smart home/natural human lightening company to supply them with these connected things, they like the prototype. Next iteration is working with medical/old-people-care-center.
346  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 17, 2017, 06:31:28 PM
Offtopic flooding is fucking embarrassing. All started from a simple announcement of bitcoin oracle. Can we get back on topic?

Agree. I suggest to focus on the following:

1. Demonstration that necessity to pick the main chain won't become a bottleneck
2. Revelation of the plan how the bloating issue will be solved
3. Revelation of the plan how a migration to a quantum-proof signature scheme will be done
4. Stress-testing of smart contracts execution, if contracts can invoke other contracts then this part should be stress-tested too
5. Explanation how all witnesses could be replaced (even if it's a long process)

I believe none of the points is an offtopic.
1. You fail to understand how Byteball works and especially the witnessing. People have tried to explain, a few pages back. Not our problem you have a weak mind.

2) Addressed in the whitepaper, compression works well today, price of data to store is price payed in bytes.

3) Quantum-proof is non-issue for hash-based signatures, when Bitcoin breaks, Byteball may break, the code supports different signature curve to be used even today, Whitepaper especially mentions NRU for this reason.

4) Whitepaper mentions the defined constants, 1 of which sets this limit, which is 100 I believe.

5) Organically, like is mentioned in the whitepaper and by many people in this thread.

Kisses.
347  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 17, 2017, 06:25:18 PM
What a lie, since you can be in this thread posting bullshit and FUD, and now even with pictures.

Very poor form. Embarrassing for IOTA.

I keep an eye on this thread to make sure you won't scam newbies. I already provided 3 cases when you lied, there will be more, I'm sure.
It is only you who actually believes your own "points" where I "lied".

You do not keep an eye on me from scamming gullible Byteball users, you are in this thread since you are butthurt I didnt pick IOTA for IoT product but instead picked Byteball.

Now you are here to actually spread lies and FUD to what you see is a threat to your own scam attempt which is IOTA.

This is the Fear, Uncertanity and Doubt combined with pure lies you have offered so far in this thread,


1) that Byteball doesnt scale and has low transactions per second

2) Byteball is not a DAG coin and is a blockchain coin

3) That privacy and untraceable payments are unsafe and not to be relied upon and that Byteball blackbytes in effect is less than offered by ZCash and Monero.

4) Oracles, BTC-Oracle, in Byteball is overkill and over engineered

All of these have been refuted, even by tonych himself for 3, yet as a troll you continue to spam this thread. Poor form very weak.
348  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 17, 2017, 05:08:59 PM
you can at any time unban me from the IOTA thread and we will talk there

I don't longer read that thread nor moderate it, feel free to post there, but don't expect me to answer.

BTT was good for bootstrapping but now it only slows IOTA down. I can't longer dedicate my time to reading majority of posts in this thread for moderating. If anyone has questions to me, please, use PMs or go to http://slack.iota.org. If moderation is required - there are still few alive board moderators.
What a lie, since you can be in this thread posting bullshit and FUD, and now even with pictures.

Very poor form. Embarrassing for IOTA.
349  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 17, 2017, 04:45:30 PM
I can explain this issue, if you didn't get the idea. Should I?
You claimed you were highlighting my lies, in fact the opposite was true.

Your lies, among others is using the phrase "Byteball blockchain", when in fact Byteball has no blockchain in its design anywhere. Pure FUD.

No, I and others do not want more of your FUD, kindly leave this thread and go to your own coin and its thread.

If on the other hand you are so in love with arguing with me, and you wish to protect gullible people from my scam-attempts, you can at any time unban me from the IOTA thread and we will talk there, and you can protect people in that thread from my scam-attempts. Deal?
350  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 17, 2017, 04:07:05 PM
Honestly man, if you want to have a dick waving contest with satonatomoto go do it in your own thread or in the altcoin discussion section.

No, thx, I'll just keep reading this thread highlighting SatoNatomato's lies.
Except you didnt highlight any of my "lies", but instead spread your own misguided opinions which are FUD. Exhibits

Such oracles are an overkill. If we trust witnesses then we can trust data published by them. And no Merkle magic needed for that.

Stating something as an overkill can be interpreted as a subjective opinion. Being more constructive in your comments might lead people to believe differently in your intentions
...This is overengineering,...more fud and shit.
I hope I explained why I called BTC-oracle "an overkill". I tried to be as ELI5 as possible.
351  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 17, 2017, 02:35:11 PM
Ok, I assume I won't get an answer on what you respectfully disagreed with. I suspect the others are tired reading our convo, we'll continue after your next fuckup. I'm sure this will happen.
The only fuckup is you and IOTA, and your poor taste and embarrassing lies in this Byteball thread.
352  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 17, 2017, 02:27:54 PM
No...

...my department...

I think at this point everyone understands that you lie. I bet in few weeks you'll be saying "my company".

What about this?
So, once again, what do you "respectfully disagree" with?
Its not my own department, I am merely a Principal Developer in a department.

Stop embarrassing yourself, and go back to your Iota coin.
353  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 17, 2017, 02:18:29 PM
To make sure you see this:

We could find a 3rd party agent who will act as an escrow and will verify your claim without giving any information to me. How much are you willing to bet?
No. My identity and workplace is irrelevant.

Thats a poor defense when you have done uninformed decisions when making your scamcoin. You dont matter anyway, even if I would prove through 3rd party, what then, would you change Iota to not use PoW? Haha.

Iota... IoT... and Proof-of-Work.  Wink Cheesy

Here we are instead, my department developing a IoT products with Byteball. No proof-of-work, the "work" is in websocket tls, hashing and signing with secp256k1 curve, that is all for making Byteball transcations!

That is all there is to it, its simple yet so beautiful.

BTC-Oracle is genius, marvelous! Also for showing us developers how we can make our own oracle, ETH-Oracle, so our IoT-chips will be able to participate in a marketplace where value can be expressed as all btc, eth and GBYTE! We can even run our own BTC-Oracle and have our IoT chips trust it!

Can you now imagine how awesome! IoT marketplace for many cryptocoins, all with Byteball which already can run on IoTdevice without any special hardware.

(of course you cant you are iota dev with small weak mind and hurt ego and think someone else actually deciding Byteball is better must be a scammer, lol).
354  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 17, 2017, 01:59:45 PM
This is what you are trying to bury in a hurry.

Can only mean 1 thing. IOTA sucks, and IOTA-dev is afraid of Byteball, sees it as worthywhile competition that he has to spend time in this thread calling Byteball a blockchain, Byteball features an overkill and other nonsense.
pulling a confidence trick to scam people later.

Of course, if a principal developer (me) at Big Enterprise, is tasked with selecting a decentralized IoT marketplace and transfer-of-value for our next line of IoT-products, and after careful consideration of both these, I pick Byteball over IOTA.

Seriously, you expected usually battery-driven devices (Internet of Things), which has < 100Mhz CPU with shitty instructions/s, memory in the 128kb range, flash-"disk" of 1MB, which struggles to perform concurrent HTTPS-connections... to do Proof-of-WORK, to transact with other devices? On these IoT devices every watt counts, every awake-sleep cycle matters, and you want them to, I cant even finish this, its so laughable.

Get over your hurt ego, you knew nothing of IoT when you began your dumb coin, and probably dont even now, so stick to scamming cryptonerds and altcoin investors, promise them Big Enterprise cooperation, exchanges etc, pump up the value and cash out like you always do.  Roll Eyes
355  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 17, 2017, 01:53:23 PM
Of course, if a principal developer (me) at Big Enterprise, is tasked with selecting a decentralized IoT marketplace and transfer-of-value for our next line of IoT-products...

Of course, no proofs of this statement?
Son, you really think I look up to you so I have to prove something to you? And that would be doxxing myself?

Nice try to derail from your failure.

Iota. IoT.... Proof-of-Work...https://media.giphy.com/media/isP4TLqhjm3zq/giphy.gif
356  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 17, 2017, 01:48:10 PM

1. Now you have moved your goalpost.
2. I already explained why you are wrong and DAG/chain doesn't affect this at all. Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_theory.
3. While we could continue arguing on the first half you still lied about the second one. Do you see how low you have fallen?
1. No you moved yours, really mature argument you have there.

2. Anybody in here can grab todays copy of Byteball database which is around 1.4GB and it compresses with gzip -9 down to 300MB.

Go and dwell some more on kindergarden reading classes, since you obviously fail in reading comprehension.
357  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 17, 2017, 01:45:42 PM
Can only mean 1 thing. IOTA sucks, and IOTA-dev is afraid of Byteball, sees it as worthywhile competition that he has to spend time in this thread calling Byteball a blockchain, Byteball features an overkill and other nonsense.
pulling a confidence trick to scam people later.

Of course, if a principal developer (me) at Big Enterprise, is tasked with selecting a decentralized IoT marketplace and transfer-of-value for our next line of IoT-products, and after careful consideration of both these, I pick Byteball over IOTA.

Seriously, you expected usually battery-driven devices (Internet of Things), which has < 100Mhz CPU with shitty instructions/s, memory in the 128kb range, flash-"disk" of 1MB, which struggles to perform concurrent HTTPS-connections... to do Proof-of-WORK, to transact with other devices? On these IoT devices every watt counts, every awake-sleep cycle matters, and you want them to, I cant even finish this, its so laughable.

Get over your hurt ego, you knew nothing of IoT when you began your dumb coin, and probably dont even now, so stick to scamming cryptonerds and altcoin investors, promise them Big Enterprise cooperation, exchanges etc, pump up the value and cash out like you always do.  Roll Eyes


 
358  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 17, 2017, 01:36:52 PM
misinformation

1. You claimed that Byteball is more secure than Monero and ZeroCoin. This was refuted by Byteball developer.
2. You claimed that Byteball blockchain can be compressed by violating the Law of information preservation. Nuff said.
3. You claimed that PoW can't be used as anti-Sybil measure. You still failed to explain how Bitcoin works then.

So, who is spreading misinformation?
1. Was not refuted, tonych claimed Byteball has better usability, which is true. Byteball does have private untraceable and usable payments, which are more secure as its implementation is easier than Zcash and similar coins (as seen from Komodo debacle).

2. Byteball does not have a blockchain. The Byteball database as it is today does compress well. Go back to your IOTA thread.

3. I claimed PoW and IoT are oxymorons, PoW in the context of IOTA is worthless, for bitcoin I stated it does add anti-Sybil, while you claimed bitcoin doesnt have anti-Sybil defense.

Nice to see you troll here again, raises at least this thread to top of Announcement.
359  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 17, 2017, 01:30:29 PM
Iota investors should see this thread and the behavior of lead IOTA dev. Can someone link it in their censored thread? Thanks.

Can not be confidence inspiring, to see such lies as "Byteball blockchain", and the rest of horse-shit.

Can only mean 1 thing. IOTA sucks, and IOTA-dev is afraid of Byteball, sees it as worthywhile competition that he has to spend time in this thread calling Byteball a blockchain, Byteball features an overkill and other nonsense.

360  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: March 17, 2017, 12:11:16 PM
Dear reader,

An IOTA-developer (Come-from-Beyond) is in this Byteball thread spreading FUD and misinformation. Petty. Disregard posts.
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